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CNN Prez to Lou Dobbs: Drop Birther Story
Rachel Slajda | July 24, 2009, 3:42PM
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CNN President Jon Klein wrote an email last night to "Lou Dobbs Tonight" staffers telling them the Obama birth certificate story is "dead," TVNewser reports.
"It seems this story is dead," Klein wrote, "because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef."
He sent the email just before Lou Dobbs went on the air. He included information CNN's political researchers had gotten from the Hawaii Health Department -- information which "seems to definitively answer the question."
"Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite," Klein wrote.
This is what he sent:
*In 2001 - the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
This is what Dobbs then said during his show:
The state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago. That explanation, however, has not satisfied some critics.
He then continued with a segment about the birth certificate.
Dobbs, who's said he believes the president was born in the U.S., has nonetheless given airtime (and a measure of validity) to "birthers," people who question Obama's right to be president and argue that he's hiding his real birth certificate.
Late Update: In an interview today with Greg Sargent, Klein said CNN wouldn't take action against Dobbs if he continues pursuing the birther story, saying it's "his editorial decision to make."
When pressed about the fact that CNN has debunked the birthers' argument, Klein said, "We respect our viewers enough to present them the facts and let them make up their own minds."
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rebop
July 24, 2009 4:04 PM
Dobbs implied on his radio program that Obama was not only not a U.S. citizen, but also an undocumented immigrant. CNN should fire him if they want to retain credibility.
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Kate in SW Fla
July 25, 2009 6:07 PM in reply to rebop
I am so angry about this, that he has the nerve to call the President an illegal alien! I understand when people oppose a policy, but this goes beyond that, far beyond it. It is simply unacceptable. How does he suppose Obama got an American passport without a Birth Certificate? Does he think the CIA and the FBI would not protest an illigal alien as Commander in Chief? Idiot.
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CranialRectalLoopback
July 24, 2009 4:08 PM
And you know why this happened ... because of Jon Stewart and The Daily Show. He revealed the asininity of Lou Dobbs specifically, and the birther bullshit in general.
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lapdogs
July 26, 2009 4:25 PM in reply to CranialRectalLoopback
Dobbs is just pissed off that HE IS NOT the Most Trusted Man In America and Stewert IS, in the latest poll since Cronkite's death.
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rynato
July 24, 2009 4:10 PM
In 2001 - the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*
How CONVENIENT! The conspiracy continues!
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commie atheist
July 24, 2009 4:17 PM in reply to rynato
Now we know that the conspiracy to hand over the presidency to "inadequate black male" and sleeper muslim/marxist/fascist agent and foreign-born usurper Barrack Hussein Obama began the same year that al Qaeda attacked the U.S. DON'T TELL ME YOU CAN'T SEE THE OBVIOUS CONNECTION, PEOPLE!!!1!1!!
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 4:54 PM in reply to commie atheist
GTFOOOH with your conspiracy theories. You are an idiot like the rest of the birthers.
Obama was overwhelminly elected by voters of the U.S. who probably don't even give a good goddamned where he was born. It's only you crazies who care
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slb
July 24, 2009 5:42 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Umm -- I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I see a couple of tongues stuck in cheeks regarding the comments you are responding to.
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 6:53 PM in reply to slb
I obviously made a mistake. My bad.
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tomgnh
July 24, 2009 7:26 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Don't feel too badly; we're at the point that satire of the RIght and the Right itself are indistinguishable.
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 8:33 PM in reply to tomgnh
Thank you. I have seen others make the same mistake in other posts that didn't seem to cause so much ire from folks. Thanks again for accepting my apology. Once in a while a troll slips in here and I mistook that post as that from a troll
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GregorZap
July 25, 2009 3:05 AM in reply to tomgnh
Yeah, it's Tina Fey and Sarah Palon all over again. If Tina didn't do it on Saturday night Live, more people might have taken Palin seriously ... seriously!
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gharlane
July 24, 2009 6:42 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Congrats, lousgirl84, you have just shown yourself to be a complete fool. The comment you gnashed and frothed about in your reply was obvious snark, and was full of clues to that effect. If that wasn't enough, it would have been obvious to anyone who has been reading commie atheist's comments here over time, and failing that, it would have become obvious from a cursory review of CA's posts, which Teh Google could have helped you with.
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 6:48 PM in reply to gharlane
If I didn't see the obvious "snark" of your comment, I apologize.
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commie atheist
July 25, 2009 1:42 PM in reply to lousgirl84
No problem - in the Bizarro world we live in today, it's sometimes hard to distinguish snark from substance.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
July 24, 2009 4:54 PM in reply to commie atheist
And once again, the Librul Media is part of the CONSPIRACY to hide the TRUTH with this Klein person trying to SUPPRESS Lou Dobbs courageous reporting!
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The Decider
July 25, 2009 12:33 AM in reply to commie atheist
Commie Atheist is an anasma, antma, thathma, whatever it is that means I stand against him and for God and America, but he does make a good point about the connection. Please also notice the strange connections to his Islamac Dad. His Dad had an Islamac name and Barak has one too. His Dad was black and Barak is too. Can't you see that these things are more than coincidence?
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ricky
July 25, 2009 11:23 AM in reply to The Decider
Asthma is the word you are looking for. He is an asthma. Many such people are in treatment. The first to be diagnosed was a gou named Vlad T. Impaler. His birth is listed as Transylvania but he may really be an Arab.
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commie atheist
July 25, 2009 1:40 PM in reply to ricky
I've been called many things, but "an asthma" is probably among the nicest.
I prefer to be thought of as a rhinopharyngitis: somewhat annoying and persistant, mildly contagious, but ultimately non-fatal.
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Fuddnik
July 24, 2009 4:10 PM
Dobbs is an asswipe from the get go. That's insubordination, and he should be fired immediately.
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jolly ranchero
July 24, 2009 4:11 PM
I love Loud Obbs' rhetorical trick: state that critics "aren't satisfied", as if there's further legitimacy in their beliefs.
I have to agree that Dobbs' cred is nonexistent to the point that he ought to be canned. He's no diff than 9/11 truthers at this point.
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Cal Gal
July 24, 2009 6:08 PM in reply to jolly ranchero
SOME SAY that Lou Dobbs is not a native American. In fact he's not American at all. In fact he's an alien. In fact, he's an alien as in the movies Alien, Aliens, Alien Redemption, Alien v. Predator, and Alien v. Predator II ("This time it's personal.")
Now I don't PERSONALLY believe he's from another planet, I'm just reporting that SOME SAY he's from another planet.
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JohnW1141
July 24, 2009 4:19 PM
Dobbs has an audience, he knows them, so he feeds them.
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Shrubbit
July 24, 2009 5:03 PM in reply to JohnW1141
This is clearly the key point imho.
My question: how in the world does someone go from being a fairly well-respected finance/business correspondent to a far-right lunatic fringe panderer? How does that happen? Can't be the money (he had to have been doing ok as a CNN correspondent), could it simply be ego and the ability to have all these freakin morons hanging on your every word? Talk about race to the bottom.
It is funny in a way (kinda, not really) that he calls himself independent. Not like I would ever expect this from the MSM, but there are a TON of issues that could really use independent analysis in the media in this country: health care, renewable energy vs oil, sustainable vs conventional agriculture, agricultural subsidies, food and consumer product safety, etc. Would be great to have a true independent arbiter on these issues that are far too complex for the typical MSM sound-byte bullshit.
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aarrgghhv2
July 24, 2009 6:45 PM in reply to Shrubbit
like jack cafferty, lou dobbs is one of those at-times reasonable-sounding commentators that lets themselves get totally discombobulated over issues of immigration and nationality. it's the surest sign of some personal issues coming to the surface, and not in a pretty way.
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tomgnh
July 24, 2009 8:19 PM in reply to aarrgghhv2
You look just like a 21st Century Schizoid Man!!
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GregorZap
July 25, 2009 3:08 AM in reply to tomgnh
He does, too!
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boo_lala
July 24, 2009 9:10 PM in reply to aarrgghhv2
You really have to wonder how Dobss's Mexican-American wife and their four children feel about his nasty racial obsessions. The children have all probably internalized his ideas, but I wonder how he would feel if people were constantly accusing his kids of being illegals; trying to get the fired or deported; and then dismissing all evidence they presented to the contrary.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
July 25, 2009 1:44 PM in reply to boo_lala
Oh Lou..... you make me want to be a better man.
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Subliminability
July 24, 2009 4:22 PM
What is Lou's (and the other birthers') explanation for the birth announcement that appeared in the Honolulu newspaper?
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NegSpin
July 24, 2009 4:53 PM in reply to Subliminability
It seems like that would cinch it for any normal person.
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Cal Gal
July 24, 2009 6:15 PM in reply to Subliminability
Conspiracy from day one to get this little tyke in the White House. See G. Gordon Liddy on Hardball last night? (It was a rare exception to my rule to no longer watch Chris Matthews.) He not only insisted on believing an affidavit from a step-aunt or somebody who says she saw Obama born in a hospital (which he could not identify) in Kenya rather than a copy of Hawaii's official records, he looked like he's senile. He really couldn't answer Matthews' questions, which were quite plain and simple for Chris.
My question is, even if he's born outside the country, as his mother was a US citizen, wouldn't that make him a "natural born citizen" as well? Isn't that how Mitt's daddy was qualified to run for VP?
I have to admit Matthews has been ALL OVAH this story.
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 6:42 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Yes, no matter where he was born as long as his mother is a citizen he is a citizen.
The argument is really stupid and what's worse is our media people who have degrees don't know diddly squat.
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GregorZap
July 25, 2009 3:13 AM in reply to lousgirl84
The Birther story is too easy to run. If you take it away, then reporters will have to work. It is easier to be creative at your desk then to have to check facts.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
July 25, 2009 1:46 PM in reply to GregorZap
Reporters....you funny :)
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_agave_
July 24, 2009 4:23 PM
Why won't Obama release the Offical Electronic Record??!!
;)
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agio
July 24, 2009 4:30 PM in reply to _agave_
I keep saying, all Obama would have to do if he wanted to lay this story to rest is to invent a time machine, go back in time and videotape his own birth. The fact that he hasn't done so speaks volumes...
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NegSpin
July 24, 2009 4:55 PM in reply to agio
Maybe Obama DID go back in time and arrange all the evidence to make it look like he was born in Hawaii.
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EH
July 24, 2009 4:36 PM
Lou Dobbs is a crazy old man and possibly an attention-whore.
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biglith
July 24, 2009 6:45 PM in reply to EH
Possibly?
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MC Scared Of Bees
July 24, 2009 4:37 PM
Here is the transcript of yesterday's Lou Dobbs show, and it's remarkable.
Throughout the show, Dobbs demands to see the original certificate. Then, midway through the show, Dobbs himself acknowledges that the State of Hawaii says the original document was destroyed in 2001.
Here are some of the things Dobbs says AFTER he has made this statement:
"Why not just provide a copy of the birth certificate?""
"My -- my issue is this, OK? When this could be dispelled so quickly, and -- and simply by producing it, why not do it?"
Dobbs knows why the President cannot produce this document because he just said it himself. He is consciously choosing to lie to his audience.
Dobbs is eager to keep this conspiracy theory burning simply because he is a racist who suspects anyone with a different skin color of not being legitimately American. He needs to be out of a job.
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Cal Gal
July 24, 2009 6:25 PM in reply to MC Scared Of Bees
Assuming he's asking why Obama won't release his own original birth certificate, count me among those who don't have their original birth certificate.
I can't remember if I ever had it, or if I lost it, by the county I was born in sent me a certified copy of it, and that was good enough to get me a passport.
I do have, from my mothers' papers, copies of a few of my sibs' "orginal" birth certificates, but they are "negative" images -- copies of the type that could have been made "in the day."
Which brings up the point that in my state, and perhaps Hawaii as well, the "orginial" is kept by the county, as are "original" death certificates, and all that an individual EVER gets is a certified copy.
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 8:36 PM in reply to Cal Gal
I checked mine last night from Pennsylvania and it is called a Certification of Birth.
I have three friends from California and theirs are all different (born in different years). I am sure they are different in all states.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
July 25, 2009 1:48 PM in reply to lousgirl84
So....where are you REALLY from?
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Prefabfan
July 26, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to MC Scared Of Bees
This is becaue Dobbs' ratings suck, and he needs something to get the out of the toilet. This is simply about money, as Dobbs has always been.
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jamesro
July 24, 2009 4:51 PM
It's such a shame he looks so much like John Candy. Always freaks me out a little.
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obrother
July 24, 2009 4:58 PM
Maybe it's a mark of everyone's low standards that nobody else has mentioned this... but Dobbs stated on his show that the new info has not satisfied "some critics." Who are those critics? When did Dobbs have time to interview them in between receiving the info and going on the air? Oh yeah, he made it up. ("Some critics" is generally media weasel-words for "me," but most journalists don't actually get busted so easily.)
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_agave_
July 24, 2009 5:01 PM
"What is Lou's (and the other birthers') explanation for the birth announcement that appeared in the Honolulu newspaper?"
It's a fraud. They never lived at the listed address. His Mom reported the false info to get USA bennies.
Or so they say.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2294662/posts?page=62
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Debra
July 24, 2009 5:24 PM
The wingnuts say Obama's mother planted the birth announcement in the newspaper so he could be an American citizen. But as I understand the Constitution, if the parent is an American citizen of five years or more than any child born out of a country is automatically an American citizen. He just wouldn't be a "natural born" citizen and be elgible to run for the presidency. It's a little hard to believe a white young mother who named her half African child "Hussein" was laying out a plan for him to be president 40 some years later by making sure he appeared to be natural born.
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slb
July 24, 2009 5:53 PM in reply to Debra
But as I understand the Constitution, if the parent is an American citizen of five years or more than any child born out of a country is automatically an American citizen. He just wouldn't be a "natural born" citizen and be elgible to run for the presidency.
I wouldn't want to place money on your understanding. The Constitution itself doesn't explain what is mean by the term "natural born citizen" -- that is left to legislation. And the legislation says that a child born abroad to an American citizen is (given that certain other conditions are met which I won't elaborate here) a US citizen by birth. "Citizen by birth" is considered to be the same thing as "natural born citizen". The distinction is between a natural born citizen and a naturalized citizen, not between someone born on US soil and someone born outside it.
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cdmn
July 25, 2009 12:45 AM in reply to Debra
The language about natural born citizen dates back to the Roman law. It said a person was a natural born citizen only if his parents were citizens at the time of his birth.
The Constitution uses this language to disqualify slaves or children of slaves from running for President, even if they've been freed. It was basically invalidated by the Ammendments after the Civil War, and now by the fact no one is alive whose parents were slaves at the time of his birth.
Interpreting the language of the Constitution to ban foreign-born people from full citizenship is a revisionist twisting of the concept, to make it look like our history was less disgraceful than it was.
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GregorZap
July 25, 2009 3:19 AM in reply to cdmn
The Constitution uses this language to disqualify slaves or children of slaves from running for President, even if they've been freed.
There it is! I always wondered why people are linking the birther issue to racism. It's that very thing. It lives and breathes with those who refuse to accept they lost the Civil War, and that these ante-bellum rules remain valid and sould be applied to this African-American.
DANG! I honestly had no idea it went so far back, but it seems to me racists really spend a lot of time studying this stuff to justify their racism with historical references.
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DrZee
July 24, 2009 5:30 PM
Another Old White Guy bites the dust -- right along with the F22 and leftover mindsets of the 50's. It's taking them so long to realize we're in a new century. Eventually, they'll all be replaced. Let's just hope the replacements -- either party affiliation or none -- are professional journalists with a bias toward investigation and truth.
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CityGuy
July 24, 2009 5:36 PM
I'd almost forgotten the 9/11 Truthers. Add those nutjobs to the Capricorn One fantasy ship also! And yes, Dobbs should be fired for this nonsense.
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peaceMF
July 27, 2009 5:51 AM in reply to CityGuy
funny that you say that, as FEMA said in their report about the WTC that a pancake collapse was unlikely. nor could they explain why the steel core wasnt left standing. nice that you have it all figured out, tho. maybe give em a call and explain it to em, okay? that'd be swell. and false flags are never perpetrated by the USA either. all those FOIA documents from the 60s were all just conspiracists in our government planting false documents. the lengths they'll go to! amazing! we now return you to your regularly scheduled illusions. nothing to see here.
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seanman01
July 24, 2009 5:40 PM
Re: the "phony" newspaper birth announcement, the clip of Liddy hinting that it was done so he could enjoy all us natch'l born citizens rights was hilarious. Anytime you are counting on a convicted felon, Nixon-henchman and obvious lunatic like Liddy, man, the horse has collapsed before he got out of the gate.
Even Liddy looks he is TRYING HARD to believe it!
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 6:44 PM in reply to seanman01
And what about his claim to have a sworn deposition statement of the step-grandmother. This woman didn't speak a word of english. Some yokel went over to Kenya found some person who interpreted what they were saying and got her to sign a deposition and this is what they are relying on over an official from Hawaii.
These people are freaking crazy. Matthews ("tweeety") as hard as he tried, couldn't make his case. I almost went through the TV set.
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jeffgee
July 24, 2009 6:40 PM
Roger Ailes to the Fox bobbleheads:
step it up!
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 6:41 PM
Here are the emails of all the execs at CNN. I sent them an email yesterday and another to Jon Klein today
Jim.Walton@turner.com, Susan.Grant@turner.com, Jon.Klein@turner.com, Rena.Golden@turner.com, David.Payne@turner.com, Mitch.Gelman@turner.com
If you care to write them, please feel free to do so. The more the better
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 8:37 PM
Isn't that a wonderful photo of Dobbs???
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lousgirl84
July 24, 2009 8:39 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/24/major-civil-rights-group_n_244532.html
Apparently Klein is backtracking now. What a bunch of wimps
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NH Bob
July 24, 2009 10:46 PM
Lou Dobbs is a racist, pure and simple. No immigration to Latinos, Obama birther story continued! He shoulda stuck to $$, but too many people were going broke paying him attention. Fat jowled, white, conservative, big mouth - sorta fits the 'southern strategy,' no?
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GTFOOH
July 25, 2009 12:37 PM
Klein wants to leave it up to the viewer? Okay, let Dobbs continue with this Birther crap and we will begin the boycott that CNN deserves!
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Scott P
July 25, 2009 11:08 PM
So, about 24 hours ago, I posted what I thought was a well-sourced, fairly long post on this topic, and it still hasn't shown up - being held for review by the moderator, or whatever the language is.
Not even any profanity, no incendiary remarks, nothing that TPM posters put forth all the time with (I'm guessing) no 24-hour hold-ups.
I've never been contacted by TPM folks saying I'm on notice, or whatever they might say to people who break rules.
Does this happen on weekends? This topic is getting more stale by the minute, and my response is brilliant, dammit!!
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Scott P
July 25, 2009 11:10 PM
When I hit "Submit" just a few seconds ago, the notice was "Your response (post?) has been submitted!" And there it is, just above this message.
So it's not a weekend thing.
Any clues as to what might be holding up my terrific post?
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jaleh
July 26, 2009 1:54 AM
Isn't that a pretty bad picture of Lou? He has a very red face, is he suffering from something other than mental illness?
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davidfarrar
July 26, 2009 11:00 PM
For one of the best exposés of Obama's birth certificate and the Hawaiian Health Department's continuing duplicity in its cover-ups, go to The Western Center for Journalism
The article is entitled: Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report.
Editors Note: In December ‘08 a retired CIA officer commissioned an investigator to look into the Barack Obama birth certificate and eligibility issue.
On July 21, 2009 The Western Center for Journalism obtained a copy of that investigator’s report.
ex animo
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GOPHater
July 26, 2009 11:12 PM
Now that Lou has been told that the story is dead, too bad Lou doesn't follow suit for himself.
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unknowncitizen
July 27, 2009 10:02 AM
The birthers seem like nice Republicans. Some of them can go all politically and racially incorrect, sure, but you've got to understand that their bubbles have been burst. The permanent Republican majority they were promised, fondly imagined and thought they had already acheived (embarassingly crowing to all their liberal, Democrat friends and neighbors that they were all losers) is now gone. They feel so conflicted, they love America so much their skin crawls when they face the fact that the political opinions of most Americans are the ones they themselves loudly condemned. Does that make them un American? How can one be a "loser", dissent against a democratic majority of American's opinions and still be an real American? Many of these folks believed it was impossible just a few short years ago, but now that's the position they find themselves in.
The majority of Republicans don't fall into this category of course, they can get animated about politics, even cast demeaning aspersions at their political opponents and exagerate for "emphasis" on occassion, but they always knew politics was just that, politics - a full on battle of ideas and defining principals, let the best man or woman win.
Give the birthers a break, most are just voters trying to hold onto some shred of hope that something's illigitimate about a American political groundswell that they condemned from not only it's outset, but claimed would never be born.
When Republicans claw their way back into power at some point, they will see themselves as "vindicated." It's sad that they can't just crack a beer and feel good now, though. Most of them are good people.
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