A minister who screamed at tea partiers protesting health care reform in Brunswick, Ga., was arrested Wednesday for not having a permit to demonstrate.
In video of the protest, Zack Lyde was loudly arguing with protesters when a police officer approached him and asked if he had a permit to protest.
"I'm not gonna move and you're not gonna arrest me!" Lyde yelled. Backup officers arrived and ordered Lyde to leave.
When he refused, two officers pointed Tasers at him.
"Put your hands behind your back or I'll shoot you with a Taser!" one yelled. Lyde got onto his knees and put his hands behind his back, and the officers pushed him to the ground.
He was charged with disorderly conduct and released on his own recognizance.
About 25 protesters with the Golden Isle Tea Party had gathered outside a federal building that houses the post office and a district office of Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA). (Kingston reportedly wasn't there at the time.) The protesters held up signs with slogans such as, "Obama lies, Granny dies," and some were dressed in colonial garb.
Some of the demonstrators were upset police arrested Lyde.
"That is the wrong thing to do," one woman told officers as they handcuffed Lyde. Later, she said Lyde should have been allowed to stay. "We're about liberty."

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jeffgee
August 27, 2009 7:03 PM
The race of the protestor says it all. When there's no other charge to press hit 'em with disorderly conduct. And them good ol' Georgia uniformed boys love their Tazers. Cain't wait fer a chaince to use 'em on a nigra who doesn't comply.
Maybe they would have let him go if he'd been a white guy carrying a gun.
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Kuyleh
August 27, 2009 9:03 PM
What happened to one's right to peacefully protest? Did I just dream that up?
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JNagarya
August 28, 2009 6:15 PM in reply to Kuyleh
Was he yelling/screaming? That can unnerve some people. 'Course, that doesn't tend to unnerve one as much as armed anti-gov't loons.
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Dave L
August 28, 2009 9:34 AM
Have any Teabaggers been arrested, anywhere, for disrupting town-hall meetings?
Of course, they're representing Heartland America, unlike this non-permit obtaining radical.
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ohyeathatsright
August 28, 2009 10:06 AM
Do you have a permit to disagree with these people?
Don't taze me bro!
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Eric Jaffa
August 28, 2009 10:33 AM
It's illegal in the state of Georgia to talk to protesters?
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Dave L
August 28, 2009 10:40 AM
Of course, it's important to note that he WASN'T carrying a weapon - kind of a deliberate provocation, wouldn't you say?
So this might fall into a gray area, where First Amendment rights are concerned.
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GTFOOH
August 28, 2009 10:58 AM
It should be illegal in the State of Georgia, to be in the State of Georgia!
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hoppycalif2
August 28, 2009 11:14 AM
The state of Georgia should be forced to pay that gentleman about one million dollars for grossly violating his rights under the first amendment. No one anywhere in this nation is required to obtain a permit to protest anything. Maybe the more appropriate response to this is to cut off all federal money going to Georgia until they begin to follow the Constitution. I imagine the money baggers in that state would soon put a stop to the violations if that were to happen.
Now that I think about it, that should be the response to any state violation of the Constitution.
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mjshep
August 28, 2009 12:11 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
Make that about one hundred million dollars and you'll be getting close. Also.
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JNagarya
August 28, 2009 6:14 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
Actually there are many places and circumstances in which permits are required in order to protest -- the legitimate reason being concern for public safety.
And there is the limitation against yelling "THEATER!" in a crowded fire. And the prohibitions against the several forms of defamation.
And you should know that: protesters wanting to protest Bushit, and at the Republican Convention, were denied permits to do so.
Last but not least: regulating a right is not the same as infringing, violating, or prohibiting exercise of the right. Regulating your operation of a motor vehicle by registration and licensing does not prohibit you operating your motor vehicle.
My only question is this: were the teabaggers asked if THEY had a permit to protest?
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Orlando
August 28, 2009 10:41 PM in reply to JNagarya
I think you need the permit to assemble. One guy, standing there yelling, is not an assembly.
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hoppycalif2
August 29, 2009 12:08 AM in reply to Orlando
Bush, who largely ignored the Bill of Rights, decided that no one could speak where he could hear them unless they were certified supporters of him. When we elected a Democratic President I just assumed the Bill of Rights once again was the Bill of Rights. If I need a permit to stand on a street corner with a sign, yelling occasionally, then the first amendment is useless.
I recall very well how another esteemed Republican handled protests. Arnold Swartzenneger, when running for office, just sent out a gang of goons to shove people with unfriendly signs back out of his sight. Being one who was shoved, I know how effective a technique that is, but it is not legal. Nor is it legal to set up "free speech zones", since the whole damn country is a free speech zone. That is what the first amendment means.
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JNagarya
August 29, 2009 12:13 PM in reply to hoppycalif2
You're being extreme in order to reject the rule of law in effort to have excuse to Bash Democrats for -- you allege -- rejecting the rule of law.
Public safety TRUMPS individual and special interest "right". It is Constitutionally acceptable that permits be required for demonstrations. Can permitting be abused? Certainly. But at the same time no right is absolute, including the First Amendment, as the exceptions I cite make obvious.
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Stiggs
August 28, 2009 11:30 AM
Did the tea baggers have a permit?
If they did, I am curious as to how their permit would not also cover this guy. Does Georgia require that every member of a protest acquire an independent permit or for a permit application to explicitly name every person attending? If not, it seems like the guy showed up at the place and time of a legally sanctioned protest and participated in it.
Regardless of whether or not the organizer of the protest got a permit, the cops singling this guy out seems like pretty clear cut harassment. It certainly seems like an unadvisable place to go, my understanding is that political speech is supposed to be one of the most strongly defended rights (and most important) in this country.
I do think the tea baggers deserve a little credit for opposing the cops. Makes the cops look even more douchey.
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ohyeathatsright
August 28, 2009 4:20 PM in reply to Stiggs
I was thinking about this too. Does a "protest permit" cover the location or the ideology?
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Stiggs
August 28, 2009 5:17 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
I'm vaguely tempted to start a rumor that the dems are going to sneak through a "protest fairness doctrine" bill which will require protest organizers to secure a number of ideologically opposed protesters to match their number so both sides of the issue are equally protested.
It would almost be worth it to see Glenn Beck's head explode.
Or even better yet - the government is going to start paying illegal immigrants to demonstrate in favor of health care reform, marriage equality and female reproductive rights. I probably shouldn't write down these ideas, they'll be all over the news tomorrow and CNN will do an interview with Michelle Bachmann where she explains how concerned she is about these latest developments.
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JNagarya
August 28, 2009 6:19 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
Most likely the "ideology". If a number of groups want to protest outside a party's presidential nominating convention, some groups will be approved, and some groups denied.
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Cool Blue Reason
August 28, 2009 12:10 PM
Evidently their permit covered teabagging only, so the expression of rational thought within that perimeter would constitute a separate activity.
Incidentally, douchebaggery by cops is always committed without a permit.
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markg8
August 28, 2009 12:17 PM
I was told we had to have a permit from the Village of Willowbrook IL to picket on the public parkway outside my congresswoman's office. When I went to the village hall to get one they didn't have such a form (no surprise) but I filled out a piece of paper anyway.
That was a week ago Thursday. This is an ongoing protest with a 4'x8' banner that we hope to continue thru Labor Day.
Last Saturday 10 teabaggers showed up for their big "Recess Rally" at her office and none of them knew anything about getting a permit. So I called the Willowbrook police dept and told them there were counter protesters out there without a permit. The day watch commander came by and told me he would arrest me if I didn't pull the tent stakes out of the ground anchoring our banner down even though other officers who stopped by didn't have a problem with it, and the head of public works who was there the day before said it was fine. When I asked him about the Republican protesters lack of permit he said they didn't need one.
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twoviragos
August 28, 2009 1:35 PM in reply to markg8
Go on with your bad civilly disobedient self! The only thing I have done is have the cars of right wing protesters towed when they parked illegally in my work parking lot. Your actions are much more noble!
Rooting for your Sox this weekend!
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markg8
August 28, 2009 10:22 PM in reply to twoviragos
As well you should! Everybody outside the 5 boroughs of NY hate the Yankees.
We are completely within our rights to demand good health care reform outside our congresswoman's office. There's nothing disobedient about it. A stunning blond rolled down her window to give me the finger today. I smiled, puckered up and blew her a kiss. That's civil isn't it?
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twoviragos
August 31, 2009 11:29 AM in reply to markg8
I don't think anyone is reading this thread anymore, so you might not see this message, but I wanted you to know that I wasn't implying by protesting that you were doing anything wrong. I was referrring to civil disobedience in the Thoreau sense of the word. No offense intended.
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markg8
August 31, 2009 12:01 PM in reply to twoviragos
Oh I know TV. I just don't want anyone to get the impression this is illegal in any way, shape or form. We have the right to picket. That nonsense about needing a permit was just that. But to mollify the cops we jumped thru their hoops.
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Orlando
August 28, 2009 10:45 PM in reply to twoviragos
Yeah but yours are totally passive aggressive. Way to fight fire with fire. Whooooo! ;)
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
August 28, 2009 4:23 PM in reply to markg8
Achtung Baby
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plan69
August 28, 2009 12:30 PM
I think I'll call the Brunswick, Georgia chamber of commerce and see if I can get a permit to protest....
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plan69
August 28, 2009 12:57 PM
I called the Brunswick chamber of commerce. The woman who answered the phone didn't have any info on getting a protest permit so she directed me to the Glynn County headquarters. The woman that answered the phone put me on hold and when she returned told me she talked to the police chief. Apparently, he said that in order to protest you need to get 100 citizens to sign a paper (petition?) then bring it to him. The woman didn't know if that allowed me to get a permit, or if they even have protest permits, or if just having the signatures was all I needed to protest.
I didn't call hm because I don't know if I want to go down this rabbit hole any further. If anyone is interested you can call officer McCoy at 912-554-9822 and ask for a protest permit.
My gut feeling is, angry white man ok, angry black man DANGEROUS.
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AlphaLiberal
August 28, 2009 2:19 PM in reply to plan69
How can this requirement possibly be legal:
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runfastandwin
August 28, 2009 2:24 PM in reply to AlphaLiberal
It's not. But having a right is not the same as using it and fighting for it. Basically the cops can do whatever they want, on the scene. Then it's up to the courts to sort it all out later.
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twoviragos
August 28, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to AlphaLiberal
I think the way entitities have been able to get away with requiring a permit is to say that it has to do with ensuring safety and order and not disrupting the flow of traffic and commerce and other people. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not saying I agree, but the basic argument is looking at competing rights between those participating in a protest and those who want to go about their daily lives without interference.
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JNagarya
August 28, 2009 6:30 PM in reply to plan69
If there are permit requirements, they are written down as law. Check your state, county, municipal, town, village, burg, sub-rural crossroads public official on the issue.
The easiest way to begin that research is to go to the state's official website, and searhing on the word, "protest".
It should also be fruitful to email a query concerning any state, county, etc., permit requirements.
Depending on the relative size of your sub-rural crossroads, it's certainly possible the police chief, especially if he is the highest-ranking member of the one-person police force, will determine the law based upon his and your party affiliation. If, as example, you want to protest against war, you'll need a permit upon application for same, filing of such application in advance of the protest by 3 to 5 years.
If you want to support war and torture, you won't need a permit, because you'll be upholding the stature of the flag as patriotic substitute for thought.
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JNagarya
August 28, 2009 6:38 PM in reply to JNagarya
Addendum: email the Sec. of State with query.
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markg8
August 28, 2009 10:26 PM in reply to plan69
I'm an angry white man but am nowhere near Brunswick GA. If I sign an online petition to get a permit down there for some folks on our side does it count?
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DancingBear
August 28, 2009 1:26 PM
I hope the GA ACLU is all over this.
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AlphaLiberal
August 28, 2009 2:16 PM
Someone needs to be fired for violating the US Constitution - stat.
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JNagarya
August 28, 2009 6:40 PM in reply to AlphaLiberal
What's your SPECULATION as to the violation?
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runfastandwin
August 28, 2009 2:26 PM
And by the way, the ACLU needs money, an members if you are not a member already.
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trblmkr
August 28, 2009 2:41 PM
Bunswick, GA Police Dept.
Public information, y'all!
(912) 267-5559
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Pilotshark
August 28, 2009 3:38 PM
well that sounds about par for the course. I wonder if he was by himself? then why need a permit?
Well other then thats a good point to harass some one. I believe some times Cops just let there power of authority get to them, they are suppose to be neutral, but i would also like to know what the cops were thinking.
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hollywood
August 28, 2009 4:36 PM in reply to Pilotshark
The cops were thinking 'conservative whites = good, and liberal black man = bad'
That man should sue the shit out of that police department.
The whole thing is summed up in what the black man said, to the effect of "you people just don't care about other people" That is the entire healthcare debate in a nutshell. The greedy and the stupid are out against everyone having healthcare because they have got theirs and fuck everyone else. Perfect Republican position on everything.
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JNagarya
August 28, 2009 6:43 PM in reply to hollywood
Most of the teabaggers DON NOT have health insurance, because the only option -- mega-wealthy health insurance monopoly -- is beyond their economic means.
It would be admirable self-sacrifice -- putting opposition to communism/facism/socialism before their own health care needs -- if there was any truth to it.
Republican dupes, told to cut their own throats, but that they must use their own knives to do it, will rush out to buy knives.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
August 28, 2009 4:29 PM
Jim Crow is alive and well.
Red states = Confederate states.
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sbv
August 28, 2009 4:38 PM
those on the right like to say what they are not doing with their fear induced, pandered to, yelling and screaming is no different than what was done on the left during the viet nam war or the fight for civil rights.
what's the difference? those protesting the viet nam war and civil rights were arrested, some shot and killed like kent state, and attacked by police dogs. as one participating in anti-war protests, i and no one i knew or saw ever brought a loaded assault rifle!
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