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(Late update: CNN now reports that there were two men carrying assault rifles, reportedly AR-15s, outside President Obama's event in Phoenix.)

(Late late update: The Associated Press reports that there were about 12 people with guns outside the event.)

A man was seen carrying an assault rifle and a pistol outside the VFW Convention in Phoenix where President Obama spoke today, a local newspaper reports. (Click through for a photo.)

Local police said it's legal under Arizona law, but two officers kept close by him.

"If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time," said Detective J. Oliver.

The man, who gave his name only as "Chris", was asked why he was armed. "Because I can do it," he said. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

Here's video from ArizonaCentral.com (go to about 1:30). It looks like the man giving the interview was also carrying a pistol.

Hundreds of people demonstrated both for and against heath care reform outside the convention, where Obama spoke about Iraq, Afghanistan and veterans affairs. His remarks about health care were limited to improvements to the Veterans Affairs system.

This is the third report in a week of someone bringing a gun to a presidential event. At Obama's town hall last week in Portsmouth, N.H., a man was arrested for having a gun hidden in his car after the Secret Service found him at Portsmouth High School hours before Obama arrived carrying a pocketknife. He didn't have a license for a concealed weapon.

Another man in Portsmouth was spotted carrying a gun in a leg holster outside the school. The unconcealed weapon was legal under New Hampshire law and he was not arrested. Later, when asked why he brought the gun, he replied, "That's not even a relevant question. The question is, why don't people bear arms these days?"

And that's not all. A man brought a gun to a town hall with Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) last week, without incident. At an event with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), someone dropped a gun, but he had a permit and no police report was taken. And two weeks ago, a New Mexico man tweeted that reform opponents should bring guns to town halls and "badly hurt" SEIU reps.

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August 17, 2009 12:51 PM   

Is he free to fire the guns into the air, as in celebration ? In some parts of Arizona this practice has been discouraged.

In other parts of that state it is still legal to fire guns into the air.

Stay tuned, indeed.

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August 17, 2009 1:00 PM    in reply to BrianSkuse

Firing a gun in the air is illegal in all of Arizona, the only time it is legal is if you are hunting winged game.

This guy is a douche and fails to realize that he is making the millions of other Arizona gun owners look like they have inadequacy problems. Buy this man some enzyte!

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!

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August 17, 2009 1:03 PM    in reply to azlefty

Did you see the photo of the gun-toter being grinned at by photographers ?

HYUK HYUK ! That fellow's packing and the secret service is covering him ...

Some people find it entertaining.

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August 17, 2009 1:33 PM    in reply to BrianSkuse

I am about as liberal as you get on most issues, but gun control never seemed that important to me. My family owned guns when I was growing up and I learned to shoot when I was very young. But after watching these assholes over the last couple of weeks, I am now of the opinion that we need stricter laws governing when and where you can carry weapons. Congratulations, gun nuts. You've managed to alienate at least one person who was neutral on your core issue.

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August 17, 2009 2:15 PM    in reply to jagriff1

Agree - I prefer that people use sense in owning and using guns especially since the guns will NEVER be 'taken away' in this country. This guy is setting a bad example.

I can sit and eat ice cream until I weigh 800 lbs and no one can stop me ! But is that the way to eat ice cream ? We are free to drink ourselves into comas, dive like maniacs, etc etc ...

Self-restraint is a key virtue in a Republic with so much freedom granted to its citizens.

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August 17, 2009 4:24 PM    in reply to BrianSkuse

Self restraint would not appear to be the hallmark of any idiot carrying a weapon to a Presidential event.

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August 17, 2009 6:31 PM    in reply to 714Day

The only reason he brought the gun was to be intimidating. How much closer are we to the old western gun fights where gun slingers were intimidated to draw? One man with a gun says to the other man with a gun "You anti reform sissys are cowards. You carry a gun you're too chickenshit to use because you think it makes you look tough. But your just a coward just like your whole damn family. I bet you're the first to walk upright. Too stupid to have an opinion etc..." or just reverse it. Either way guns are brought to intimidate and soon to challenge. People with guns should not be allowed at town hall events. They don't let you wear them in bars or take them into hospitals etc. They serve no useful purpose except to intimidate or antagonize and as such should not be allowed at political events. Now give me the gun or I'll shoot you in the fucking head.

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August 17, 2009 6:40 PM    in reply to bjobotts2

Just like no parking zones or no trucks allowed...public political events should be no gun zones. They don't allow them at sporting events either. These dickwads have no respect for public discourse. If it were a Bush event they would not be allowed on the premises plus the'd be carted off to jail. Obama merely asks for respect and civility...which excludes intimidation and antagonism. Grow up for God's sake.

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August 17, 2009 6:46 PM    in reply to bjobotts2

"because I can"...idiot. I can shit on my hands and not wash it off too. I can carry bags of dog feces on my belt or over my shoulder too...no law against it. It's just offensive, serves no purpose and intimidates other people and show what a horse's ass I am but it's the first thing I think of when going to a presidential town hall event. Try wearing an "I'M TOUGH" t-shirt next time or better still...just GROW UP.

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August 18, 2009 5:47 PM    in reply to bjobotts2

You're right. Criminals should have the same chances they get at college students. I mean, other than the President actually having armed and armored protection and being surrounded by dozens of armed men with actual assault rifles and sniper rifles.

Someone has to protect the President from the law-abiding citizens.

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August 18, 2009 7:10 AM    in reply to jagriff1

jagriff 1,

Sooooo, you only advocate gun rights for people if they don't have the temerity to dare disagree with you and St Barack. When people do, and make a point of exercising the rights that St Barack has explicitly threatened, you decide that gun rights are a bad idea. You call yourself 'liberal'.

I have to ask myself whether you have any idea of what the word liberal means.

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August 18, 2009 12:41 PM    in reply to Random

You have no idea what the word "stupid" means.

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August 17, 2009 1:29 PM    in reply to azlefty

Buy this man some enzyte!

Perhaps this should be our answer to all the gun toting nuts. It's definitely an inadequacy problem. It's like Barney Fife and Andy. Andy didn't need a gun to get respect.

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August 17, 2009 1:34 PM    in reply to mpower1952

you are much closer to being on target than this a$$hole will ever be
smooth like a Ken doll

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August 17, 2009 2:26 PM    in reply to mpower1952

Andy was wise enough to let Barney only carry one cartridge... kept in his shirt pocket.

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August 17, 2009 2:13 PM    in reply to azlefty

You can't carry an armed weapon in the presence or general area of the President.

Unless he's a Democrat, of course.

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August 17, 2009 3:42 PM    in reply to BrianSkuse

Let's make sense of this. Wear a John Kerry shirt to a Bush rally and get arrested. Carry an assault rifle to an Obama rally and you are a Freedom Fighting Revolutionary.

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August 17, 2009 4:56 PM    in reply to Chris

That would seem to sum it up pretty accurately. Do we live in an insane world or what?

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August 17, 2009 12:52 PM   

What a fucking asshole. Take him out. "I hate him for his freedoms."

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August 17, 2009 12:52 PM   

Left unsaid: "I have no penis".

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August 17, 2009 12:55 PM    in reply to MAX TARDCORE

LOL!

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August 17, 2009 12:57 PM    in reply to MAX TARDCORE

Talk about a Member of the GOP...

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August 17, 2009 5:26 PM    in reply to MAX TARDCORE

I think you meant that what is unsaid is: "I have one, but it's so-o-o TEENY!" (Or, as Garret Morris once said in an SNL skit -- playing Idi Amin threatening Henry Kissinger, played by John Belushi -- "Listen here, you 'Hung-like-a-hamster' . . . !")

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August 18, 2009 4:55 PM    in reply to MAX TARDCORE

Unless he's secretly banging your woman behind your back...

(I mean, assuming you go that way.)

But, even then, it's not the size it's what you do with it and how you use your hands and mouth...

Honestly, the man's carrying a gun and YOU PEOPLE FIXATE ON HIS PENIS?

You people must really be missing the good stuff at home.

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August 19, 2009 8:43 PM    in reply to Deathbunny

Bunnynub, you give yourself away

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August 20, 2009 2:05 AM    in reply to CVille Dem

Give myself away how?

What are you assuming about me now?

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August 17, 2009 12:53 PM   

Why is it that these folks are carrying weapons mainly at the Presidential town hall events?

Where is the MSM on this?
Answer: Waiting quietly for a disaster scenario in order to cash in on the suffering of others Pehaps this was their plan as far as not challenging Pre-Iraq Bush Admin statments

This is very concerning.

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August 17, 2009 12:57 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

Only 2 reasons.
1- It drives liberals crazy. They live for that.
2- Because They Can.

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August 17, 2009 7:42 PM    in reply to jeffgee

Add a third reason: They feel the need to compensate for a very small part of their male anatomy.

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August 18, 2009 4:50 PM    in reply to Cath01

Unless you use your penis to defend yourself and it can do so at several hundred yards, you're penis is inadequate.

Quit thinking with it and just go play with it if you must.

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August 17, 2009 12:56 PM   

The only, obvious conclusion from this picture (channeling Glen Beck):

ALL black people, especially intelligent starched-ironed-shirt black people, are against Obama and Health Care Reform and love guns.

It's the only possible conclusion.

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August 17, 2009 4:26 PM    in reply to Scottsdalian

They have a deep seated hatred of something that Beck will intuit without evidence.

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August 17, 2009 6:58 PM    in reply to Scottsdalian

Maybe he's just paranoid of conservative screaming crazies trying to start fights and feels this will keep them at bay. I'm a liberal gun totting progressive for the same reason...the only bat shit crazies I've met or seen are the right wingers and they are always armed. Gun sales didn't go up because Obama got elected...they went up because the election showed so many ignorant stupid crazies at McCain/Palin rallies that liberals became extremely paranoid. Things like truth and facts won't change their minds...but they understand a .45 slug really well. That's scary.

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August 17, 2009 12:57 PM   

Media attention, and liberal angst, is precisely what these wack jobs are looking for. Better to ignore them unless and until they make even the slightest move towards the trigger -- at which point hopefully a Secret Service sharpshooter will put one right between their beady little eyes.

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August 18, 2009 1:43 AM    in reply to Peter Principle

Taking out one of these bozos will cause such a shitstorm we may never get back on track. They need to be exposed for the bozos they are, pure and simple, but the MSM lacks the ability to really question them seriously. There were many questions Chris Matthews did not ask and Alan Combs did a radio interview and had poor follow-up questions as well. There will be blood. It does not take a crystal ball to know there will be blood. How pathetic is that? These people would rather resort to a gunfight then admit their point of view is not in the mainstream and the country has taken a different direction of their own free will.

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August 18, 2009 5:03 PM    in reply to GregorZap

Taking out one of these bozos will cause such a shitstorm we may never get back on track. They need to be exposed for the bozos they are, pure and simple, but the MSM lacks the ability to really question them seriously.

So right. These Healthcare Nazis are practically rabid and so fixated on what government can do for them that they don't think of the implications.

There were many questions Chris Matthews did not ask and Alan Combs did a radio interview and had poor follow-up questions as well. There will be blood. It does not take a crystal ball to know there will be blood. How pathetic is that?

Yeah, blood as in the real sense when no one can get the care they need and no one can afford the taxes to pay for it. Plus--figuratively--this whole system will be hemorrhaging money like you wouldn't believe if they want a chance to keep people happy.

These people would rather resort to a gunfight then admit their point of view is not in the mainstream and the country has taken a different direction of their own free will.

These nuts think that just because the president won't let it go and keeps up the soundbights it...

...Wait, gunfight?

Oh, I thought you meant the whole radical healthcare thing and you were talking about gun rights!

Ah, I get it now.

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August 17, 2009 12:59 PM   

Can Obama count on any protection from Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio, who makes no secret of his hatred for the President?

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August 17, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to jeffgee

If he cannot, get him on sedition charges.

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August 17, 2009 1:06 PM    in reply to jeffgee

In general the "Locals" are only depended on for Traffic and general crowd control. It is the Secret Service that provides the actual protection.

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August 17, 2009 2:17 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

Which probably drives Arpaio even crazier.

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August 17, 2009 3:35 PM    in reply to jeffgee

MCSO (Arpaio's guys) were not there - Phoenix P.D. had jurisdiction and they were there in just the right way - low key, visible. It was a relatively tame circus, as these things go.

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August 17, 2009 1:04 PM   

I was really expecting it to be an angry old white dude. Damn, I thought post-racial America would be a lot easier to figure out.

This is just nuts. In a few short months we have gone from it being un-American to question the president to a constitutional right to stand around outside of a presidential event screaming about how much you hate him and carrying an assault rifle.

Although the guy does have a point. Obama is an evil man trying to take away my freedom to not be able to afford health care. Nothing says America to me like the inalienable right to die broke and alone from some disease which has been easily treatable since the mid-19th century.

"Down with Obama. Up with tuberculosis!"

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August 17, 2009 1:10 PM    in reply to Stiggs

If tuberculosis is treated, the terrorists win.

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August 17, 2009 3:17 PM    in reply to Peter Principle

I was going to go with the more classic "consumption", but Republican's already have the pro-consumption position nailed down so the joke would have been more confusing than funny.

Just wait until C-street has a breakout of syphilis like lice in a second grade classroom. Creepy old men with their delusions of grandeur and penchant for touching.

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August 17, 2009 4:39 PM    in reply to Stiggs

Outbreak on C street... that is so funny! I'll be laughing about that all night.

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August 17, 2009 5:05 PM    in reply to Stiggs

Nothing says America to me like the inalienable right to die broke and alone from some disease which has been easily treatable since the mid-19th century.

Hey, if it was good enough for Stephen Foster and Edgar Allen Poe, how much more American can you get?

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August 18, 2009 9:29 AM    in reply to Stiggs

Excellent points. I think the whole health care debate is a stark reminder that we also need some educational reform. Maybe we can also reintroduce the notion that bringing weapons to squelch discussion is something dictatorships do, not something for freelancers...

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August 17, 2009 1:06 PM   

If this guy were wearing dreadlocks and a Che Guevera T-shirt, he'd be recovering from his taser shocks by now.

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August 17, 2009 1:23 PM    in reply to Dennis M

and if this was during the Bush Administration he'd be recovering from a Teser shock in jail.

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August 17, 2009 3:44 PM    in reply to Dennis M

Sadly, I think you are correct.

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August 17, 2009 1:08 PM   

Two guns?! Two guns! This man is insane. An assault rifle? How in any sense of sanity can this be legal? And even if it's legal where he lives surely the president being there precludes his so called "rights" to own an assault rifle.

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August 17, 2009 1:10 PM    in reply to eve cairo

Imagine : a couple of years ago suppose someone tried that outside a Bush event.

The guy would have been stomped into the ground the second he arrived

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August 17, 2009 2:16 PM    in reply to BrianSkuse

Curious, eh wot?

Surely there's no coincidence here. That the police/Secret Service/whatever would allow a man to openly carry loaded weapons in an area where the President is expected?

I'm so old, I remember when assassins had to HIDE their guns. John Malkovich went to way too much trouble making a gun out of wood and plastic. He should have just walked in with it on a shoulder harness.

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August 17, 2009 2:29 PM    in reply to Daddy-O

An unintended consequence : our presidents are driven to near-insanity by isolation ... eight years of secret-service 'protection' has got to make a person paranoid or at least very lonely. The number of persons a president trusts near the end of two terms can be counted on one hand.

President Knucklehead W Bush obviously lacked the mental reserves required by this splendid isolation - I believe he was barely able to function towards the end of his second term.

Cheney is another case altogether - crazy as a craphouse rat.

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August 17, 2009 1:23 PM    in reply to eve cairo

If a person has a right to carry an assault rifle, then they have the right to do so around anyone. Rights are not (nor should be) conditional in that way.

That said, I don't think anyone but active military personnel should have access to an assault rifle. But judging by the number of people I know who own one, I'm guessing that's just me.

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August 17, 2009 1:12 PM   

Hey, the AZ legislature just passed a law making it OK to bring guns into bars, was there any doubt that someone would show up to the rally here with an assault rifle?

I'm waiting for someone to roll up in their up-armored Humvee or tank.

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August 17, 2009 1:33 PM    in reply to shazam

Can't wait until a bartender/owner get sued for allowing Shooting While Intoxicated...

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August 17, 2009 2:18 PM    in reply to TBender

These jackasses are taking up valuable Secret Service time. One of these guys could just turn out to be the decoy.

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August 17, 2009 2:33 PM    in reply to henk

Oops, that wasn't suppose to post as a response to TBender. Sorry.

But as long as I'm here, if they have their gun they can't drink. So Bar-Owners are doubly pissed off. Not only do they have assholes with guns hanging out in their bars, they aren't there to spend money, just show off their weapons. (As opposed to their guns, which, I hear, aren't very impressive.)

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August 17, 2009 1:38 PM    in reply to shazam

Wasn't there anti-drunk-driving commercials equating driving under the influence to handling a loaded gun under the influence?

The hypocrisy and the irony surrounding the GOP impossible to overstate.

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August 17, 2009 1:21 PM   

I'm sure that the local whack-job recruiter was eager to show some diversity in their group. I'm sure that it was suggested he "up-the-ante" w/ an assault-rifle to make sure he got the attention they were looking for.

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August 17, 2009 1:25 PM   

Elections have consequences. During the Bush administration, if you had the wrong bumper sticker on your car the Secret Service was on your case. Now assault rifles are apparently OK at Presidential events.

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August 17, 2009 1:25 PM   

I bet this fella would love living in Afghanistan, where toting is legal and people actually use their guns instead of trying to establish manhood with it. Education is legal in Arizona also, but obviously this guy didn't take them up on that because he can do it (I got slugged in high school for calling a thug-in-training "stupid" but guess who showed up in school the next day with the black eye (me) and who stayed home. The Secret Service needs to lock this guy up without taking his gun away in one of their armored detention vehicles labeling him a threat to the President of the United States because "they can do it!" Those people shouting "American, love it or leave it," left it a long time ago--mentally.

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August 17, 2009 1:26 PM   

Oh please, the Black dude is feeling left out, so he wants his 15 minutes. Is he on FAUX "news" yet?

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August 17, 2009 1:51 PM    in reply to AhTrini1

I would laugh if this guy was a Dem looking to get on a Faux News show. He could talk up the injustices of healthcare such as denied care, "death panels" and the extreme cost to the American people (w/ the host agreeing and cheering him on) and then at the end, to wrap it up, point out how he was talking about the current system.

I saw a video of a guy doing exactly this at a tea-bagging event. It was hilarious. He had the microphone and the crowd was cheering him on until slowy (these folks are slow) they cought on and someone ripped the Mic from him. It was classic.

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August 17, 2009 1:58 PM    in reply to AhTrini1

Is this the dude from St. Louis? Was he selling flags? Anybody see his attorney nearby?

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August 17, 2009 1:40 PM   

Oh lord...it's bad enough the president is catching it from some crazy whites, now some black douche bag who's craving attention too. When will the madness end.

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August 17, 2009 1:43 PM   

I understand that Obama want to avoid the comparisons to Bush-era policies (where you could get arrested for wearing the wrong SHIRT around the president), but this seems to have gone too far.

Of course, the paranoids will point out that if a right-wing nut actually took a shot at Obama, the gloves would officially be off. Would police raids on teabag headquarters be justifiable at that point?

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August 17, 2009 1:44 PM   

I'm 100% sure that this guy would tell you that the government can't do anything right. And yet with every breath he takes he should be thanking the professionalism of the Secret Service. Showing up where the president and his 30 daily death threats is going to be toting an assault rifle is not the recipe for a long life.

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August 17, 2009 1:51 PM   

The NRA says guns make you safe.

Perhaps he is making a point it doesn't make anyone feel safer, particularly if half the protesters come armed the next get street get together.

In February, 2010, he can carry his assault weapon along the viewpoints at the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone and feel safe. Thanks to Congress and the Obama administration

Arizona Republicans tried to make it legal for elementary or high school students, K-12, to carry loaded and concealed weapons to school. Fortunately, that did not pass.

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August 17, 2009 2:59 PM    in reply to NobleCommentDecider

Seriously? Yeah, that wouldn't go badly...

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August 17, 2009 2:23 PM   

Remember back in June of '06, the guy who walked up to Cheney at a mall in Beaver Creek, Co., and gave him a piece of his mind? He was arrested for assault by the SS. (The charges were later dropped.)

We've got a bit of a double standard here, I think. Tell Cheney he's despicable, and you're off to the hoosegow. yet, you bring an arsenal to an Obama town hall and they just keep an eye on you.

Now, which amendment is more under threat?

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August 17, 2009 2:37 PM    in reply to Aurora98

I remember that - the guy told Cheney several times to "go F*** yourself" - as Cheney had said to Senator Leahy.

Someone posted a video of the incident - it was fun to watch repeatedly - very refreshing viewing in the dark days when it seemed the Republicans would never be brought under control.

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August 17, 2009 2:51 PM    in reply to BrianSkuse

No the "go fuck yourself" incident happened when Cheney was visting Mississippi after Katrina. (Hard to believe, but yes, there are some liberals in Mississippi.)

The Boulder Creek incident was something different. As I recall, the guy didn't use the F word or anything; he just told Cheney he thought he was a war criminal.

Which apparently equaled assault in the Secret Service handbook, or at least did until the Democrats returned to the White House.

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August 17, 2009 5:16 PM    in reply to Peter Principle

Was that the guy who encountered Cheney in a shopping mall? I'm not sure he even went so far as to call him a war criminal, just said that he found the Bush Administration policies despicable, or something along that line. I think I remember he had a young child with him as well. He still got carted away; I don't think any charges were ultimately filed, or if they were they were dropped, but the message was clear: you cannot speak your mind to either POTUS or the VP without suffering adverse consequences.

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August 17, 2009 2:30 PM   

Forget the local police. The Secret Service must have a sharp shooter dedicated to this person/moron.

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August 17, 2009 2:37 PM   

The only reasons these yahoos carry at public events like this is to intimidate others and get some (negative) attention. They do seem to think only Gopasaurs are armed.

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August 17, 2009 2:38 PM   

Maybe BHO would get more Republican/Libertarian support for healthcare reform if it explicitly reimbursed penis enhancement therapy.

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August 17, 2009 2:48 PM   

My biggest question here is why is this "perfectly legal" and why does it need to be perfectly legal. It's one thing to allow private citizens to own licensed and approved firearms. But this? Is Tempe, AZ, actually an Israeli settlement on Palenstinian land?

And this guy wasn't satisifed with just a sidearm....that was yesterday news...that dude in NH already did that a few days ago. So this lovely gentleman went for the sidearm AND the semi-automatic rifle with clip inserted slung over his shoulder. I must say - nice touch!

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August 17, 2009 2:53 PM   

Is Tempe, AZ, actually an Israeli settlement on Palestinian land?

Well, same general idea.


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August 17, 2009 3:14 PM   

More power to him. A Black man armed for insurrection? How's that feel NRA members?

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August 18, 2009 7:12 PM    in reply to Ducksworthy

Um... You know this man isn't a member of the NRA how?

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August 17, 2009 3:17 PM   

Bet money this guy is not from Arizona.

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August 17, 2009 3:38 PM    in reply to GTFOOH

Where's the Cambridge police when you need them to confront a black man?

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August 17, 2009 3:27 PM   

(sigh) .. this is bullshyte.. all these people want is media attention.. thats it.. and the media play right into it... this dude and the other white dude should be detained at least from the event until the president has left the state. ..

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August 17, 2009 3:30 PM   

Who thinks it's a mere coincidence that those whackjobs are chanting a phrase that begins with "KILL"?

Subliminal messaging anyone???

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August 17, 2009 3:43 PM   

I much prefer to see the weapon out in the open than those whack-jobs walking in with a concealed hand-cannon.

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August 17, 2009 3:54 PM   

Isn't it classic military strategy to probe your enemy's defenses prior to an attack? Probe to see how the enemy reacts and adjusts, then finalize your attack strategy in light of the info gained during those probes?

First we see someone carrying a sidearm outside a Town Hall. Then someone drops a sidearm inside a Town Hall. Then a sidearm and an assault rifle carried nearby the POTUS. Maybe even two assault rifles.

How many snipers and on-the-ground agents and cops will the Secret Service have to deploy to cover not only the known gun carriers, but also the additional unknown gun carriers?

Might these be some of those classic military probing strategies being carried out?

Never underestimate your adversaries. Especially the ones who have been preparing for military-style "responses".

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August 17, 2009 3:56 PM   

Wait wait wait, everybody - maybe this video doesn't tell the whole story about mister big gun...

*Maybe*:

...there was a heard of dangerous cows seen stampeding nearby and, if not for this guy's courageous posturing, the crowd would have been stampeded to death. Just one "They're comin' right at us!" and this guy could have saved the day...

or

...he received specific information that a the secret service was about to flip out and attack the president... until they saw him, and now we're all safe, thanks to Our Dear Armed Patriot

or

he just came from some a advanced animal hunting event that required such a weapon, and didn't even have time to safely store the gun. Instead of leaving it to melt in the hot car or tossing it into a dumpster where hooligans could reach it, he did the sensible thing and strapped it onto his waist...

Jeeeeez, liberals are always jumping to conclusions! ;)

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August 17, 2009 4:05 PM   

Where are the fucking police and secret service?

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August 18, 2009 7:49 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

There, not harassing the law-abiding citizen.

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August 17, 2009 4:10 PM   

ok.. this is "please give me some attention,, hey put the cameras over here,, i am carrying a gun too?"

pathetic is this what Americans are turning to.. everyone grasping for their 15minutes of fame..

well we no longer have 15 minutes. its now dwindled down to 5 minutes of fame.

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August 17, 2009 4:13 PM   

It's our God given 2nd Amendment right to own a gun and kill for God.

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August 17, 2009 4:14 PM   

Next time there's an Obama event in your area, go with a gun and bring 10 friends with guns too. Let your presence be known and monopolize the efforts of 11 SS agents or police officers. When it gets too expensive (or impossible), they'll rethink the policy! Aren't most policy decisions based on money in this country?

Seems pretty strange that Bush could send people with offending T-shirts and bumper stickers to the 'back of the line,' but guns get no notice!! Hypocrites!!

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August 17, 2009 4:25 PM    in reply to cokids

I hear you, but caution you to not spend too much time pointing out GO hyPocrisy. It is a maddening endeavor. Protect you own sanity, I'm losing mine in pursuit this effort.

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August 17, 2009 4:18 PM   

Isn't the fact that this guy shows up where the President is speaking with a gun enough evidence that he needs a mental health evaluation? Even if the President were not in town, who would want to share the sidewalk with this moron? When Bush was President the cops would take you away and detain you even if they released you later without charges. Where is law enforcement to allow this insanity? There is NO REASON for this guy to be carrying a weapon and that should be reason enough to detain him whether he is charged or not for any violation.

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August 17, 2009 4:40 PM    in reply to xargaw

Agreed, 100%

But, Believe it or not, this may be exactly what teh Right is looking to happen. (As we all know FACTS to not matter to the folks) What these folks want is the HOLY GRAIL of PROPOGANDA, the administration having someone arrested for having a gun. This would "Prove" that Obama wants to trample peoples 2nd amendment rights. (Again, real facts don't matter to these numbskulls).

In fact, just as with Bush, politics has a lot to do with when/if you get arrested at a Presidential event. In this case the admin. knows its a political loser to arrest these folks on these grounds. Right or Wrong, its a line that the admin. must walk.

Has anyone noticed Obama hasn't brought his family to these events?

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August 17, 2009 4:29 PM   

"If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time," said Detective J. Oliver.

OK, great. You might want to put the coroner on standby, in the meantime.

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August 17, 2009 4:31 PM   

Isn't the fact that this guy shows up where the President is speaking with a gun enough evidence that he needs a mental health evaluation? Even if the President were not in town, who would want to share the sidewalk with this moron? When Bush was President the cops would take you away and detain you even if they released you later without charges. Where is law enforcement to allow this insanity? There is NO REASON for this guy to be carrying a weapon and that should be reason enough to detain him whether he is charged or not for any violation.

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August 17, 2009 4:42 PM   

People seem to see this as an isolated issue, one or two wing nuts packing firepower just to make a statement, a somewhat dangerous statement. But don't worry, the cops and the secret service have their eyes on them. Well consider this, suppose there are more than one or two wing nuts there carrying firearms, suppose there is an army of nuts all carrying legal arms, rifles, assault guns, pistols; do you really believe that there will be enough cops and secret service to protect us against a neo-nazi army mobilized and positioned to create mayhem? This should be the scenario that must be considered in order to assess the legality (and wisdom) of allowing guns near political events, especially highly charged political events with the president. If anything, the extreme right has shown no respect for boundaries in the past. We've already seen them kill cops and doctors in the exercise of their rights, and their spokesmen like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are coming dangerously close to inciting violence. What do you think it will take for one of them to cross the line (again)?

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August 17, 2009 4:50 PM    in reply to Whenwillthisnightmareend

Time...

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August 17, 2009 4:43 PM   

I've always thought there should be a different approach to this whole 2nd amendment issue. Instead of regulating guns, go after the ammunition. Constitution states nothing about bullets. Regulate the crap out of buying bullets and tax them until they are more expensive than the freakin' guns. No more buwwets...

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August 17, 2009 4:48 PM    in reply to BuckarooBanzai09

Agree 1,000%.

Actually tax bullets until each bullet is about 100 times the cost of the gun.

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August 18, 2009 8:09 PM    in reply to Scottsdalian

You don't know anything about black-powder weapons, do you? Or the fact you can figure out how to make said black powder from most chemistry text books...

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August 17, 2009 5:02 PM    in reply to BuckarooBanzai09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcVwDw4YLE

Chris Rock has had the same idea for a LONG time. :)

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August 17, 2009 5:43 PM    in reply to BuckarooBanzai09

Wrong. The Constitution states "to keep and BEAR arms" Without ammunition, you cannot effectively bear arms thus regulating the ammo would be unconstitutional.

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August 17, 2009 5:32 PM   

Just a technical point, unless the weapon's selector switch allows for full automatic, it's not an assault rifle, just a semi-automatic wannabe that looks scary.

That said, there's gotta be some point where carrying that thing at an event constitutes a non-verbal threat and can be treated as such.

I also go along with the general consensus that the carrier must be hung like a Ken doll.

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August 18, 2009 11:09 PM    in reply to cwnidog

So, most of you on here are afraid of one guy carrying a rifle....on his back. And HE is the one with Ken doll anatomy??

You might ponder the decades and centuries past when U.S. Presidents walked amongst armed citizens without a thought. "But the police won't be able to keep order if a lot of people have guns," you suggest. They wouldn't need to, because, despite what you people think, the vast VAST majority of gun owners would protect their President if it came to that. In fact, I believe the men you here are villifying would do just that. (Armed civilians stop many times more crime than police.) In any case, NO ONE was in danger at these rallies by open carrying citizens, and many of you STILL want to dismantle rights of protection guaranteed to all Americans. For God's sake, quit being afraid of people and trying to cram your ideas down everyone's collective throat. Just stop it.

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August 17, 2009 5:34 PM   

Why feed the obsession with form (how many people shouted, who dissed whom, who was carrying a gun, what type of gun...) vs. content (what was discussed, what was learned, what happened inside)?

At this point, I think you've made your point - people with guns at Presidential events = bad.

I understand the need to continue a narrative, but why page one, top w/picture. It's almost as bad as the 24-hour networks. Don't feed the beast!

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August 17, 2009 5:45 PM   

Attacking the guy over the internet for exercising a right is also a sign of small genital size...

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August 17, 2009 5:56 PM    in reply to Werewolf1021

Oooooohhhhh...our first troll!

Welcome troll Werewolf!

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August 17, 2009 5:52 PM   

No doubt all the gun toters were white. Let a few black folks show up with guns, such as the late Huey Newton, and all of a sudden everyone's attitude will be different.

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August 17, 2009 5:53 PM   

I am so upset about this that I am having trouble writing about it. I am working on a blog right now.
My conclusion?

DEMOCRATS, START ARMING YOURSELVES. BUY THE BIGGEST MOST ACCURATE FIREARM ALLOWABLE IN YOUR STATE. RIGHT NOW. THE RIGHT IS SMUG IN ITS DETERMINATION TO MAKE ALL THOSE ON THE LEFT COWER AT THEIR PRESENCE.

THE BATTLE SO FAR HAS BEEN WON BY THE RIGHT.

All the left can do now is to properly arm themselves. The left did not ask for this.

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.

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August 17, 2009 6:04 PM    in reply to dickday

You have won teh interwez. Your tin foil hat will be arriving shortly...

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August 17, 2009 6:08 PM    in reply to Werewolf1021

why? what is the alternative? Tin foil hat--the motherf...........s who are standing armed outside of the building where my president is speaking must be stopped.

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August 17, 2009 6:01 PM   

Oh snap, I've been had. BACK TO THE STATE HELICOPTERS!


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August 17, 2009 6:49 PM   

Check out the crowd the black guy was standing with on the AzCentral video. I suspect that guy was pro-reform & wanted to see if he'd get an interview too.

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August 17, 2009 8:07 PM   

WHY IS PRESIDENT OBAMA GIVING REPUBLICANS AND BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS THE POLITICAL EQUIVALENT OF A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD?

Here’s my problem with how the public “negotiations” with Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats over national health care reform are being conducted by President Obama. By repeatedly stating and or implying that Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats actually WANT national health care reform too, when all they really want is to maintain the status quo; Obama is literally giving Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats a POLITICAL PASS for obstructing meaningful reform. He is not forcing them to PAY A POLITICAL PRICE for organizing dishonest and scurrilous campaigns to obstruct, undermine and prevent national health care reform.

WHY isn’t he making them accountable for what they’re actually doing?

WHY is he letting the rat bastards walk away unscathed while they’re doing everything they can to screw him and the American people over?

WHY in the name of god is he doing that?

Does he or doesn’t he REALLY want to pass meaningful national health care reform?

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August 18, 2009 7:59 PM    in reply to osage

Because it would essentially guarantee 2012 will see a Republican in the White house while 2010 sees a Republican wash of at least one of the houses of Congress.

See, you haven't figured out that one-third of what got him elected was him not being Bush. For those people, Bush isn't an issue anymore, it's all about the policies and politics. And there are enough Moderates that--if the Republicans put a candidate up that can reliably tie their shoes on the first try--pissing off the Blue Dogs and Moderate Republicans will turn that 40-something percent back into a 50-something percent.

It's not "us" vs. "them", it's "us" vs. "them" and "those other guys" and that group over there and...

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August 19, 2009 3:06 PM    in reply to osage

Osage, Reform is a tricky word. It is not synonymous with "PUBLIC HEALTH CARE PLAN", which some see as "evil" so to them would be opposite of reform.

To Everyone else. The definition of assault rifle has been as sketchy as "middle class". The point is we as a people, have the inalienable right to defend ourselves and keep a means of defending ourselves. We do not however have a right to carry in excess for the sole purpose of intimidation to sway public opinion or votes by presenting a threat of violence.

The question is was this man brandishing this weapon in the town hall meeting, and what was his intention. Intent does matter to the law.

It's easy to ban firearm's, just get rid of the freedom of speech and press first and no one will complain.

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August 17, 2009 10:35 PM   

Hmm,,
1.Remember back in June of '06, the guy who walked up to Cheney and gave him a piece of his mind? He was arrested for assault by the SS. (The charges were later dropped.
2.The guy with the gun stuck out like a sore ****,,everybody saw him.
3.A US citizen can't get threw an airport with a fingernail clippers,,
4..We have the same Secret Service.
But they do follow orders,,,

So the question is,,Who gave the SS orders to allow this man to be in the crowd with a gun?
The same SS that took down a man for VERBALLY assaulting Cheney,,They saw this man with a BIG gun..everybody saw this man with a BIG gun...
Whose trying to make the United States Secret Service look incompetent?

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August 18, 2009 12:27 AM   

Under the Cheney/Bush regime it was illegal to hold a protest within one mile of an event where either Bush or Cheney were present. Under the Obama administration it's permitted to carry guns at a protest. And these A-holes are bent out of shape because Obama will take their guns. What would have happened to them if they had carried weapons to a Bush event? That's just a rhetorical question.

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August 18, 2009 7:13 AM   

I really can't believe idiots who probably think they are liberal (look the word up, people) are responding to this complete non-story as if anything said mattes!

Man takes gun to protest, doesn't fire it. Where is the story?

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August 18, 2009 11:46 AM   

"I may not approve of your carrying a firearm to a POTUS show, sir, but I will defend with my life your right to carry it."

Get a clue, people. POTUS gun totters are making a simple, yet very powerful, Political Statement. You may think it unwise, unnecessary, unintelligent -- whatever. That's YOUR opinion. But it is perfectly legal. Don't like it? Then don't do it. It's a free country. Or at least it used to be.

And I am an ultra-liberal, card-carrying member of the ACLU.

Are the POTUS totters over-reacting to the right-wing propaganda machine whipping up anti-Obama fervor? Perhaps.

Were the BushCO Patriot-Act/Habeaus-Corpus/Fisa-Spying/Gulag-Torture/Cherry-Picked-Intel/Illegal-Iraq-Fiasco/Signing-Statements/WallStreet-Bailouts more of a danger to the constitution in general, and the First Amendment in particular, than Obama Stimulation-Packages/HealthCare-Reforms? Certainly.


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August 18, 2009 8:01 PM   

As a rule, when ones argument is reduced to commenting on the presumed diminutive size of another man's penis you basically have no argument. I find it extremely ironic that the pro-Obama crowd, and more to the point the pro-Obama media, are incapable of recognizing that one of the five rights guaranteed in the first amendment is right of assembly. This is the right that allows us all to gather at these events. The irony comes into play when law abiding citizens choose to exercise a twofer – the right to protest AND the right to keep and bear arms. Let us not overlook the comments on the board about taxing ammo out of circulation. That sentiment is exactly what these people are protesting. If you are so evolved that you think firearms are not needed to protect you and yours from criminals or the government, then just change the Constitution. There is a process for doing that. For those who think that is done through the courts, here is a civics lesson. All you need to do is get ¾'s of the state legislatures to approve the amendment. Easy enough, right? I mean women that did not even have the right to vote managed to pull off prohibition. Man up and do it the right way.

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