Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) continued the thoroughly debunked right wing euthanasia/death panel meme today, telling a town hall crowd, "You have every right to fear....a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on Grandma."
He also said, "There are some people who think it is a terrible problem that Grandma is laying in a bed with tubes in her... and that the government should intervene. I think that's a family or religious thing that needs to be dealt with."
Grassley is the latest republican to jump on the euthanasia bandwagon. Today, Republican National Committee chair Michael Steele said Sarah Palin's "death panel" comment was "perfectly appropriate" given the "life-and-death decisions" the government would make under a health care reform bill.


xargaw
August 12, 2009 5:57 PM
Grassley knowingly lied about the "put grandma to death" panels. He is now a documented outright liar. As one of the six on the Senate Finance Committee that Baucus and Obama have given a lot or rope and patience, he should be cut off completely. He is obviously not interested in honest debate, but just another GOP obstructionist.
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mjshep
August 12, 2009 6:53 PM in reply to xargaw
My thoughts exactly.
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mJJ
August 13, 2009 2:35 AM in reply to xargaw
Yes, my brother who voted for Grassley last time plans to work very hard to throw him out this next election cycle. Grassley has lost all claim to his moderate stand and can be rightly treated like the most far right wing nuts in our party. I am trying to figure out what in the world he was threatened about to change his tune so much.
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debbiedoesnothing
August 12, 2009 6:14 PM
Et tu, Chuck? I'm so disappointed. I didn't think he'd sink that low.
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Metzengerstein
August 13, 2009 12:01 AM in reply to debbiedoesnothing
He doesn't have to sink that low; he IS that low.
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_jonny_5_
August 13, 2009 9:26 AM in reply to debbiedoesnothing
Apparently you had previosly missed the "R" next to his name.... We're all human, it happens.
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FebM
August 12, 2009 6:14 PM
Hey TPM, why not put on this video of Isakson talking facts about so called death panels. Maye the deathers can get some sense from a fellow GOP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqRFuSZyZg&feature=player_embedded
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lindal
August 12, 2009 6:19 PM
I used to live in Iowa back in the '80's. Back then I mostly disagreed with Grassely, but I thought he was sincere and thoughtful. I sure don't know what happened!
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_jonny_5_
August 13, 2009 9:29 AM in reply to lindal
What Happened?.... Simple. You can't win an election without your base and when your base is a bunch of Birther/Deather/racists this is what we get.
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Serena
August 12, 2009 6:24 PM
The Borgen Project has some good information on the cost of addressing global poverty (borgenproject dot org).
It only takes $30 billion annually to end world hunger!
Yet... we are spending $550 billion annually on the defense budget.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 12, 2009 8:26 PM in reply to Serena
So are you going to post this every time they post a video? Being noble doesn't make it not be off topic.
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tpmgary
August 12, 2009 6:25 PM
How can President Obama expect to get this done if the leaders on the health care committees responsible for putting together these bills, like Baucus and Grassley, are documented liars, going out there and perpetrating these myths?
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blesscurse
August 12, 2009 6:28 PM
This is the beauty of bipartisanship. People like Grassley acting in good faith really bring a lot to the table. If this is the sort of remark he makes in public, one can only imagine what he really thinks, and what he says to his fellow Republican senators. What a pig.
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jthdane
August 12, 2009 6:39 PM in reply to blesscurse
Grassley: "There are some people who think it is a terrible problem that Grandma is laying in a bed with tubes in her... and that the government should intervene. I think that's a family or religious thing that needs to be dealt with."
I wonder how he voted when Congress and Bush intervened in the case of Terri Shiavo.
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Cal Gal
August 12, 2009 7:25 PM in reply to jthdane
But the health insurance companies' deciding when to pull the plug on Grandma? Jus' fine, thank you very much.
BTW, I expect this is happening as we speak.
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_jonny_5_
August 13, 2009 9:36 AM in reply to Cal Gal
Right, apparently when profit is the motive for "killing Grandma" it's fine and provides a market based solution to the issue...
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Metzengerstein
August 12, 2009 11:53 PM in reply to blesscurse
Please don't call him a pig. That is not fair to pigs. Pigs are intelligent and sensitive. I don't know if they can have compassion, exactly, but they would be more likely to demonstrate it than this demented old corn-holer.
Grassley is, however, a pig-f***er.
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debbiedoesnothing
August 13, 2009 2:59 AM in reply to Metzengerstein
And by that, you mean pig farmer, right? Because he is one.
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_agave_
August 12, 2009 6:37 PM
Something just hit me.
This fits right in with 'The Culture of Death' (Terri Schiavo, abortion) that the evil Libs are supposedly part of. I'm suprized the phrase hasn't been bought back up.
Ofcourse there will death panels, because Dems are pro-death!
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Powkat
August 12, 2009 6:42 PM
Two comments:
1. Recent behavior seems to indicate that Chuck Grassley may be suffering from some kind of dementia (weird twitter feeds, strange comments in the press, now this.)
2. After this month, screw bi-partisanship. Go for 51 votes and reconciliation. In 5 years everyone will be so grateful for the benefits of health care reform that Republicans will be trying to claim credit.
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AnswerFrog
August 12, 2009 6:59 PM in reply to Powkat
Yes.
Is the WH paying attention?
Key fact: NO REPUBLICANS WILL VOTE FOR **ANY** HCR!!!!
They might want to print this out and tape it on their wall.
I hope this August was instructive that the GOP is not interested in "working together" to solve important problems.
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CityGuy
August 12, 2009 6:44 PM
Why doesn't some democrat just call these people liars on this issue? Obama shouldn't have to carry all the water himself. Where is Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi while these Goper cretins lie like rugs?
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JohnW1141
August 12, 2009 6:55 PM
This is one of the guys Obama mentioned in his town hall meeting yesterday. Obama keeps talking bi-partisanship, mentioning Republicans by name, and they keep screwing him royally. Hey, maybe Obama's a masochist.
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johnmccsf
August 12, 2009 7:02 PM
Why is Baucus negotiating with the a-hole?
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nwagle
August 12, 2009 7:03 PM
I'm an oncologist. And I talk to my patients regularly about end of life issues. And these comments by Grassley and others are an insult to doctors and patients everywhere.
Earlier this evening, I spoke with a patient who is dying. I've known this patient for a long time. And in spite of many treatments we've tried for his cancer, nothing has been working. Today, we spoke about his illness, and he told me what he wanted. He told me that he's tired of coming to the emergency room, and he's tired of being admitted to the hospital. He told me that he wanted to be home for the remainder of his life. He told me that he didn't want to suffer. And he told me that he wanted to die peacefully, in his sleep. We spoke about this at length, and he asked me to enroll him in a hospice program.
People have a right to talk about their wishes at the end of life. This includes setting up health care proxies and advanced directives, exploring their wishes about resuscitation efforts, and discussing end-of-life care options such as hospice. It is the responsibility of doctors -- whether they are oncologists or cardiologists or primary care physicians -- to have these discussions with patients and their families. Such discussions ensure that an individual's wishes are respected at the end of life. Any physician will tell you that patients and their families benefit from these discussion. And they benefit whether these discussions occur over 10 years or 10 days.
We need to make it clear to everyone that this provision does one single thing: it allows physicians to be compensated for having these discussions. These discussions happen anyway -- compensated or not. But they need to happen more. And perhaps one of the reasons they don' happen enough is that there is frequently no way for physicians to be reimbursed for them.
Doctors need to speak out against these unconscionable lies. We know the importance of end-of-life counseling. Many, many people have spoken to their doctors about end of life issues as well -- and they should be speaking out as well. It is time that we stopped these awful lies.
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NobleCommentDecider
August 12, 2009 8:50 PM in reply to nwagle
Thanks, nwagle.
For the Bush Base and Republicans, this is not about medical care, or the reality of illness and facing death. Its about their hate and fear being exploited by demagogues and moneyed interests.
Many of them are angry and frustrated that their man George W. spent 8 years running the nation into the ground.
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johnmccsf
August 12, 2009 10:36 PM in reply to nwagle
Good God doc, I just returned from the hospital. A friend went into diabetic coma and wasn't discovered for two days. Of course they did MRI's CAT scans and put him on a feeding tube until his sister arrived
She works in an in patient hospice unit
Now he's in the paliative care unit without tube
What do these idiots think? They think they're not going to die or is it their plan to check out in a persistent vegetative state like Terry Shiavo?
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mJJ
August 13, 2009 2:50 AM in reply to nwagle
You put it very beautifully. How wonderful to find a doctor who speaks out like that. I know there are many who understand what is in this plan but often, doctors feel unsure how the public will take their participation in these end of life issues. Only the dumbest person would make an issue out of the Obama plan. It seems purely political to me. But I am a retired RN who has spent a lot of time working with patients on this very issue so it makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you for your caring attitude. I am hoping I have a doc like you when the time comes. In fact, I will make my wishes known in writing after reading your post.
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tamiasmin
August 12, 2009 7:05 PM
Grassley is more deceitful than a plain liar. Notice what he says:
"You have every right to fear....a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on Grandma."
Of course you do. But nobody is proposing such a plan.
This is how you lie with the truth.
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mardam
August 12, 2009 7:15 PM in reply to tamiasmin
That is exactly correct. Parse his words the way he will if someone calls him on it.
Jerk.
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Klosterheim
August 12, 2009 7:09 PM
Now that Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has shown his true spots, can we please stop trying to meet him halfway? There is no halfway. Why does everyone except for the White House seem to understand this?
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FebM
August 12, 2009 7:15 PM
GnOP runs on fear gasoline. A month ago there was a guy saying only bin Laden will save them by attacking our homeland, but that fell flat, the new boggey man? death panels, anything that evokes reptilian fear
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atticus1104
August 12, 2009 7:38 PM
Why doesn't the GOP just place Glenn Beck in charge.
Here is Glenn Beck's broadcast from last night condensed into 10 minutes. I have never seen so many scare tactics, and such much talk of eugenics in such a short period of time.
You have to watch this.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2505
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lapdogs
August 12, 2009 7:47 PM
So Grassley Must Think Gingrich Is An Asshole Too...
It's worth showing the entire article
http://views.washingtonpost.com/healthcarerx/panelists/2009/07/right-gingrich.html
Across the Country, Some Systems Are Getting It Right
One of the biggest components missing in the current health debate is health. We must ensure that health is always the driving focus of any reform effort. We at the Center for Health Transformation call this "health-based health reform." To accomplish this, we must determine what is actually working today to save lives and save money and then design public policy to encourage widespread adoption. We need to make best practice the minimum practice. Two examples:
More than 20 percent of all Medicare spending occurs in the last two months of life. Gundersen Lutheran Health System in La Crosse, Wisconsin has developed a successful end-of-life, best practice that combines: 1) community-wide advance care planning, where 90 percent of patients have advance directives; 2) hospice and palliative care; and 3) coordination of services through an electronic medical record. The Gundersen approach empowers patients and families to control and direct their care. The Dartmouth Health Atlas has documented that Gundersen delivers care at a 30 percent lower rate than the national average ($18,359 versus $25,860). If Gundersen's approach was used to care for the approximately 4.5 million Medicare beneficiaries who die every year, Medicare could save more than $33 billion a year.
Another example. If the 5,500 hospitals in the country provided care at the level of Intermountain Healthcare in Utah or the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, Medicare alone would save 32 percent of total spending every year -- with better health outcomes, according to the Dartmouth Atlas of Healthcare.
I give President Obama high marks for his recent letter to Sens. Max Baucus and Edward M. Kennedy which noted that health reform must entail more than insurance coverage. He stressed the importance of finding what works and then creating incentives for its widespread adoption. What he needs to do is put specific policies behind his words.
We propose creating a private-sector led best-practice initiative that educates the industry on documented practices that work. This initiative should support the development and diffusion of knowledge for the purposes of expanding care, improving outcomes, and lowering costs -- with the explicit prohibition that government cannot use the data to ration care. Government health programs should reward organizations that adopt these best practices through higher reimbursements.
Migrating everyone to what works will truly transform the delivery of care.
BY NEWT GINGRICH | JULY 2, 2009; 12:12 PM ET
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awab
August 12, 2009 8:02 PM
Ok.
If we make this concession: no Death Panels. Health care reform will NOT include euthanasia squads periodically visiting any grandmothers-- can we get Grassley on board?
Also can they still visit old spinsters?
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 12, 2009 8:28 PM
Gotta love those "moderate" Republicans. Keep it up, Max. This is totally the guy you need to give a huge amount of power to, what with his obvious good faith and sincerity and all.
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LowlyWorm
August 12, 2009 8:59 PM
Grassley went wacky a few years ago. He's gone soft in the head, much like his Democratic counterparts.
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mJJ
August 12, 2009 10:10 PM
Amazing how disingenuous these guys are or . . . are they truly this stupid. Difficult to figure out which is true. Either way, one wonders if they are even fit to represent us. I used to have a great opinion about Senator Grassley but alas, he has worn out his welcome from me.
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paulo
August 12, 2009 10:15 PM
So how many reform supporters were bused into Grassley's Town Hall Meeting to show support?
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johnmccsf
August 12, 2009 10:36 PM in reply to paulo
Gee I don't know
Neither do you apparently
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mk3872
August 12, 2009 11:04 PM in reply to paulo
Sooooo .... what exactly does that have to do with a Senator getting caught red-handed lying intentionally to his constituents?
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drmoore
August 12, 2009 11:26 PM
Somehow, this reminds me of Obama's campaign. Everyone (almost everyone) kept wondering why are they doing what they are doing and why are they letting other people set the agenda and why are they not speaking out more. In the end, there seemed to be a strategy in place that was a lot more strategic and intelligent than what we (the worriers, not warriors) could come up. Obama and his team almost always seemed to be three steps ahead of the game and was just waiting for the right time to play their hand. My guess would be that the Obama team saw this (Grassley's action) as one of several possible and had a plan to deal with it, either immediately or at the "right" time. Obama's campaign supporters almost always questioned the right time and almost always came away proud of their candidate and his smarts when he played his hand. I think Obama's team have something up their sleeves...again..that none of us would have thought up out loud, but admit that "we knew all along" when it 's another good or brilliant move. Let's hope I'm right.
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klondikejack
August 12, 2009 11:34 PM
As an Iowan I've been watching this clown for years. He rails about the price the pentagon is paying for toilet seats and then turns around and writes them a blank check. That's his schtick. He will never support a health care reform bill the President can sign. Bauccus(sp?) is a complete bought and paid for tool.
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PhnxHusseinRising
August 12, 2009 11:54 PM
You can contact the Senate Finance Committe here:
http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/contact.htm
While those of us who are not from Iowa would likely be ignored for contacting Grassley, the Senator, we are all entitled to contact Grassley the Senate Finance Committee member.
Contact the committee offices and make your voice heard. Me, I'm planning to be at Pete Stark's town hall this Saturday, but being in California it's likely to be pretty tame. Stark needs to commit to a public option though.
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aapinko
August 13, 2009 12:26 AM
Wow, thats pretty scary. Seems this should be left to the Doctors and care givers!
RT
http://www.anon-web-tools.net.tc
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yellowdogfox1
August 13, 2009 1:40 AM
I posted this chez Digby, but repeat it here in the hope that someone else may recall Grass;ey's first exposure outside of Iowa:
Google isn't helping me to remember why I have thought of Grassley as a typical Republican asshole (not a principled legislator, or independent thinker) since he first joined the House in 1974. But even though I can't remember why I came to that conclusion, it has remained with me for 35 years, and I have had to smile when I hear ignorant people hail him as something that he is not and never has been. The dead grandmother pandering is just par for the course for him, and I would rather puke in his face than try to work constructively with him. On pretty much anything.
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synchronicity
August 13, 2009 1:42 AM
I agree with Ariana Huffington. There should at least be calls to censure him. I will contact my reps about this and the other outrageous acts of the past week asking them where they will draw the line and take a stand against lies and inciting of violence.
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hquain
August 13, 2009 6:22 AM
The reptilian Grassley first trod upon the grand stage (in my awareness, anyway) when he and his fellow Republicans decided it was time to hamstring the government during a time of burgeoning national peril -- by impeaching the President on frivolous grounds. He spoke with grave morality about the seriousness of it all and voted "guilty" on both counts.
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FebM
August 13, 2009 6:57 AM
This is how the America I know and love conducts town hall meetings, Go Oregon!
http://www.kval.com/news/local/53074457.html?video=pop&t=a
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An Outhouse
August 13, 2009 8:15 AM
This just proves how important bipartisanship is. Glad they wasted a lot of time negotiating with this turd.
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An Outhouse
August 13, 2009 8:17 AM
"Grandma is laying in a bed with tubes in her... and that the government should intervene. I think that's a family or religious thing that needs to be dealt with."
Tell that to the Schiavo's.
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GTFOOH
August 13, 2009 8:55 AM
It's time to pull the plug on Assley!
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AnswerFrog
August 13, 2009 9:19 AM in reply to GTFOOH
you beat me to it
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_jonny_5_
August 13, 2009 9:49 AM
I do take comfort in having Obama as our president. Throughout the campaign an the begining of his term he has shown himself to be playing te Long-term game. He and he advisors(while clearly not perfect) are aware that when Repub gin up there base they will overplay their hand and show their true colors(white, angry and, sooner or later, violent). This will be exactly the cover needed to justify the reconciliation process.
We have to have faith(ironic coming from an athiest, but anyway) that we have a reasoned individual running our country instead of running amok. He has proven to be up to this challenge.
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MantisBot X
August 13, 2009 7:02 PM
I love how Republicans are talking about government trying to impose upon such decisions as to when to pull the plug when they were the dipshits that ran in and tried to keep Schiavo's husband from pulling the plug.
Perhaps that should be drilled in to people's heads?
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