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Speaking at a fundraiser for Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords today, Vice President Biden warned that Republicans will try to "break the back of our effort" in the 2010 elections by trying to win 35 seats from traditionally Republican districts that are now held by Democrats.

"It's not that Republicans are bad guys. This is just the bet they've made. They're going to put their chips on movement in the 35 seats in the House that have been traditionally Republican districts and trying to take them back," Biden said, according to the White House pool report.

"If they take them back, this the end of the road for what Barack and I are trying to do. This is their one shot," he went on. "If they don't break the back of our effort in this upcoming election, you're going to see the things we said we're for happen."

If Democrats can keep those seats, he said, Congress will finally see bipartisanship.

"All the hidden Republicans that don't have the courage to vote the way they want to vote because of pressure from the party," Biden said, "it will break the dam and you will see bipartisanship."

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September 21, 2009 7:46 PM   

Can President Obama PLEASE lock this guy away in a dark room in an undisclosed location? Enough with the gaffes that weaken the President's position!!!!

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September 21, 2009 8:09 PM    in reply to jdb316

How does this weaken the President's position?

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September 21, 2009 8:28 PM    in reply to jdb316

Biden knows the Congress, and he also -obviously - just spent the past 20 years dealing with the GOP's bullying and arrogance.

The GOPers are not good at change.
They're still in denial about 2006 and 2008.

The GOP imagines that if they tank Obama's initiatives and create a 'political Waterloo', that they will get a re-do of 1994.

But this is not 1994.
The underlying economic, demographic, cultural, and resource patterns are all different from 1994.

These people are not good at adapting.
They used to be good at PR, but now they're simply a public embarrassment, and a huge, corrosive anchor dragging at the hopes for a better, more 'green' and sustainable future.

Apparently, they need a few more political drubbings before they realize their hopes for another 1994 are delusional, and blink their way into the 21st century.

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September 21, 2009 8:10 PM   

SERIOUSLY!!!!

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September 21, 2009 8:11 PM   

I didn't mean it seriously weakens the president's position, I mean seriously get this many locked away in some room please. I like him, but my goodness!!!

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September 21, 2009 8:25 PM   

Biden was needed to get Obama elected - now he's basically a weight around the neck. I don't know what he brings to the table really and I'd never want him President.

All that he ever does is put his foot in his mouth. I mean he's giving the GOP more bulletin board material here. He doesn't seem to have a self-censor and doesn't know what strategy session remarks should be kept behind the closed doors.

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September 21, 2009 8:31 PM    in reply to Walter Mitty

I see no evidence that 'all' Biden ever does is 'put his foot in his mouth'.

This is not 'sensitive strategy stuff'; good grief, anyone with half a brain can see the obvious. Biden's simply stating the obvious and I am one voter who's relieved to hear it.

Calm yourself.

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September 21, 2009 8:34 PM    in reply to readerOfTeaLeaves

Never!!!!1!one!

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September 21, 2009 8:33 PM   

This just shows the White House reasoning for watering down the health reform bill - to try and save the blue dog seats. This reeks of Emanuel really, but Obama has obviously signed off on it.

This is also why there is zero chance at the Dems going the budget reconciliation route - that would be giving the GOP exactly what they want, and would virtually ensure a Republican wave in 2010 and even 2012.

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September 21, 2009 8:45 PM   

"you're going to see the things we said we're for happen"

LOL, whut?

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September 21, 2009 8:57 PM   

Give it a break! Biden is saying "Please give money so we can get this guy re-elected. He's the kind we need to re-elect so we don't lose the House." What's the problem with that?

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September 21, 2009 9:22 PM    in reply to Martin1066

Then just simply say she's the kind we need to re-elect to keep control of the House. Don't say that it's all over if the Republicans get control. It creates the perception that the President is working from a weak position and can therefore be exploited. Even if that is really true, you NEVER admit it publicly.

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September 22, 2009 7:46 AM    in reply to jdb316

No! The impression I get is that 2010 is the year to drive a stake into the heart of the GOP. The GOP is on its last gasp.

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September 21, 2009 8:59 PM   

Sorry. "Get this gal re-elected." She's in her second term...

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September 21, 2009 9:20 PM   

Saving the Blue Dogs will cost the Democrats the House and eventually the Senate. Besides, with the Blue Dogs, Democrats don't actually have the House and the Senate.

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September 21, 2009 9:33 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Then how do you suggest the Dems get and keep control of those chambers?

Let's face it - there are far more red states (in quantity) in this country than blue states. Many of the Blue Dogs come from districts and states that would never elect a party line Democrat. The only Dems that can get elected in those areas are more conservative ones.

There are only so many Senate and House seats available on the East and West Coasts and the Great Lakes. Certainly not enough to get control of either chamber.

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September 21, 2009 9:37 PM   

What road?

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September 21, 2009 10:33 PM   

I fail to see the problem with what Biden said. If we keep the Congress in 2010, the Republicans weaken, break, and we get the reforms that Obama promised.

Wait a sec...is he actually the assuming that Republicans will enter the reality-based world and ignore politics to do what's best for the nation?

You're right. He's high.

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September 21, 2009 10:38 PM   

Didn't they sing this same song in 2008?

Now they're selling :Win in 2010: Christmas ornaments.

Lucy. Football. Aaaaaagghhh!

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September 21, 2009 10:45 PM   

Dear president Obama and vice president Biden,

Pass health care reform w/ a robust public option. Quit wavering to republican pressure and show some appreciation and respect for the base of the democratic party and u won't have to worry about 2010.

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September 21, 2009 11:21 PM   

It's the only time in living memory that Biden said something that makes sense and is completely true.

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September 22, 2009 10:20 AM    in reply to Lalo35adm

Horsepoo. Maybe you would like nothing more than for this "prophecy" to come true, and for Obama's agenda to stall the minute we lose some GOP House seats. But I say again, horsepoo. Biden's trying to raise money, and is using the specter of "this is our one shot" to do it.

I'd add that you're being way too glib in reducing this man's 30 year career to the "only time in living memory" he's ever made sense or spoke the truth.

I never liked your avatar, and the claim that it is an homage to Lincoln or Obama is horsepoo as well.

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September 22, 2009 12:21 AM   

Reading some of the posts, one might get the impression that Biden has given away a closely held secret.

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September 22, 2009 9:09 AM    in reply to chard

LOL

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September 22, 2009 12:04 PM    in reply to chard

Seriously. What's with the handwringing about this?

It's pretty straightforward. You can argue (as some have) that they haven't done ENOUGH with the majorities they have, but if the margin shrinks, or, God forbid, flips in the other direction, we'll look at 2009 as a golden year.

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September 22, 2009 3:29 AM   

To say I'm skeptical of this is an understatement of massive proportions. There's nothing like giving a party an overwhelming majority in both houses of Congress, plus the White House, and then having them come back emptyhanded and say they promise they'll do better next time.

The GOP will be reasonable after losing in 2010? In what universe? They'll still be led by the same people, beholden to the same insane constituencies and special interests, and they still won't want to admit they're screwing up. As long as they have any success to point to, no change will happen.

Jeebus crispies, please someone, go find the real Joe Biden and bring him back. At least that guy could be right once in a while.

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September 22, 2009 7:49 AM    in reply to Cujo359

Nobody is saying that the GOP will be reasonable. It's all about breaking the backs of the GOP. Next year is redistricting. If the Dems maintain their edge in the state houses then the House of Representatives will be in better shape.

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September 22, 2009 12:34 PM    in reply to Cujo359

Historically, after a realignment reelection, the minority goes through a stage of rage and denial that it has, in fact, become the minority. The Democrats did it after Reagan, though there was more denial than rage. The Republicans did it after FDR--heavy on the rage. The Democrats did it in 1860--their rage and denial verged on, and sometimes crossed the line into, outright treason.

Eventually, however, there's usually an accomodation with the new reality and the minority party accepts the paradigm shift and starts playing a longer game, transitioning from the party of "Nooooooooo!" to the party of "yes, but . . ." That's when you start getting presidents like Eisenhower and Clinton, very popular presidents who accept the basic principles of the new paradigm but say "yes, I'm for that, but just not as much, okay?" Ike wholeheartedly accepted the New Deal, confiscatory tax rates and all but wanted to dial down the acceleration in federal spending. Clinton announced "the era of big government is over!" while trying to get people used to the concept that government wasn't always the enemy.

That's what usually happens. Once in a while, however, the opposing party dies out completely and a new one forms.

Biden's timeframe may be overly optimistic but he knows what he's talking about. Eventually, they'll have to reach an accomodation to the new reality or die as a party and it's likely the coming of the Internet and the one hour news cycle are accelerating the rate at which that has to happen.

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September 22, 2009 3:01 PM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

It's not the "eventually" part I argue with. In the end, the Republicans will realign. Biden's assertion that it's going to happen after 2010 is what's laughable. There's no reason to think it will happen after the 2010 election, whatever the outcome. Given the aggressiveness and heedlessness of the GOP's current leaders, I have every confidence they'll be around for quite a while. The corporations own the Democratic Party nearly as much as the Republican, so where is the outside impetus for change to come from?

More important, there's no reason to think that a party that controls both chambers of the legislature, and the executive branch, can't get its agenda passed because of the minority party. They can't get it passed because of their own party.

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September 22, 2009 8:48 AM   

Gee, if only Biden wasn't the VP, like, if it was Hillary or someone, the Republicans would be so much nicer.

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