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This morning, interviews with President Barack Obama aired on every major Sunday news show except one: FOX News Sunday.

Host Chris Wallace was clearly not happy about that.

"Every president is thin-skinned, but I wonder whether this administration, this White House, has a particular problem with criticism," Wallace said.

Moments earlier, Wallace flashed a White House statement onscreen about the administration's decision not to send Obama on FNC.

We figured FOX would rather show So You Think You Can Dance than broadcast an honest discussion about health insurance reform. FOX is an ideological outlet where the President has been interviewed before and will likely be interviewed again...Not that whining particularly strengthens their case for participation anytime soon.

The So You Think You Can Dance jab comes as a result of the FOX broadcast network's decision not to air President Obama's health care speech to a joint session of Congress earlier this month (FOX News showed the speech).

"The whining, I think, refers to me," Wallace said Sunday, "and the fact that I called the White House on The O'Reilly Show Friday the biggest bunch of cry babies I've ever dealt with in my 30 years in Washington."

The gang on FNC then spent several minutes Sunday morning debating why the Obama White House didn't trot the President out on FOX News Sunday, with hypotheses ranging from rallying the base to demonizing FNC to playing favorites to having a poor understanding of their own communications strategy.

"Wear it as a badge of honor," suggested Paul Gigot of The Wall Street Journal.

Late Update: Here's the video.

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September 20, 2009 4:31 PM   

Oh cry me a river Faux News! Having said that, President Obama SHOULD come on Fox News. It would be a treat!

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September 20, 2009 5:18 PM    in reply to CityGuy

Why? There's nothing to be gained. Fox News viewers have already made up their minds to oppose EVERY Obama initiative.

They are the birthers, tenthers, Beck-heads, ditto-heads, skinheads, and teabaggers. In other words, the republican party.

All dems should boycot Fox News.

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September 20, 2009 5:52 PM    in reply to CityGuy

The question isn't why BHO won't go on FOX. The question should be why should anyone other than the unhinged tea party right.

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September 20, 2009 10:40 PM    in reply to CityGuy

Oh my Chris, every day you illustrate to objectively trhaagt you are not like your father at all. Your whine is getting sos tiresome. Of course Obama would not want to come on your show because he could never get fair treatment. But go aherasd and whine. You are so unlike your father. And sad to say, the Wallace reporting has diminished to a loud whine.

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September 20, 2009 5:11 PM   

Ha ha. ha. hahaha. hahahahahahahahahahahaha... BWAAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha. Hoo. Whew.

Those Fox guys are hilarious.

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September 20, 2009 5:12 PM   

Because you have Acorn and Dance with the stars to obsess with remember, Chris? Thats what your audience prefer according to the choices you have been marking.

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September 20, 2009 5:27 PM   

I don't think they have a problem with criticism, Chris. Like anybody, they hate liars.

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September 21, 2009 10:19 AM    in reply to Hidden Oak

"Every president is thin-skinned, but I wonder whether this administration, this White House, has a particular problem with criticism," Wallace said.
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What's that about SKIN, Wallace? Your Freudian-FOX slip is showing (again).

Do us all two favors, Wallace:

1. Ask Glen Beck why he's a virulent racist not criticisizng policy but attacking President Obama's reace; and,

2. Shut your fucking far-right lunatic fringe propogandist's yap.

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September 20, 2009 5:38 PM   

Fox News is simply not a legitimate news organization. That's reason enough for Obama not to appear.

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September 20, 2009 7:36 PM    in reply to tinmanic

ROTFLMA; you are too funnee, so much so, you should should appear on Comedy Central!

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September 20, 2009 7:38 PM    in reply to tinmanic

Oooops, I totally misread this, thinking you said FAUX "is" a legitimate network, sorry.

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September 20, 2009 5:44 PM   

Because you're a putz, Chris.

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September 21, 2009 9:54 AM    in reply to AllanCook

I prefer to think of Chris as a "douchebag."

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September 21, 2009 10:21 AM    in reply to chard

I prefer to characterize him for what he is: propagandist.

And racist.

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September 21, 2009 11:58 AM    in reply to chard


I prefer to think of Chris as a putzy douche bag, personally.

Hah - they lie, distort, inflate crowd size, prompt "spontaneous" cheers from off camera and STILL think they should be treated as a real "news" organization"?

Not gonna happen.

Remember, each day FAUX loses viewers, as they give up the remote controls and head off to the "green room" in the sky. Rupert and gang are losing viewers and credibility at the same freaking time.


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September 20, 2009 5:52 PM   

Sounds like Wallace needs. a bottle

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September 20, 2009 6:53 PM    in reply to neesy08

Of what - Smirnoff?

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September 21, 2009 10:38 AM    in reply to neesy08

He might settle for a diaper change and pacifier.

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September 20, 2009 5:59 PM   

Because you spend your prime time slots calling him the AntiChrist? Because your top rated show is dedicated to drumming up hatred and bile against anything the administration does? Because your morning show drops factually incorrect barbs against him in the middle of their cloying nonsense? I don't know, Chris. I just can't explain their aversion to your network.

You live in their house, Wallace. Don't expect everyone to come to your parties.

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September 20, 2009 6:10 PM   

The President can obviously handle criticism. They're criticising anyway & never will quit. What else do they actually do? There only hope is whining & begging for sympathy. Or dare I say "empathy".
If we threw water on them, do you think they would just melt & go away?

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September 20, 2009 6:17 PM   

Oh Chris cry me a river. Boo hoo hoo. Is the mean old Nazi Commie Baby Killer ignoring you. At least he didn't have his death panel kill you, so think of it as a win/lose. You're still free to have make believe story telling hour,that's fun isn't it. You and Billy and Glenny can get together and make up fun stories. WEEEEEEE. Fox's sandbox will be more fun than ever, just you wait and see. Oops somebody left a big doody in the sandbox. Which one of you did it?

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September 20, 2009 6:19 PM   

Two words: Glen Beck
When the number one star of your network for all intents and purposes calls the President a Nazi and spends every waking minute trying to incite his moronic followers to revolution, then I think Obama is within his rights to steer clear of the network. And don't say Beck is "opinion" not news. The man Is Fox News and he's a menace.

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September 21, 2009 10:26 AM    in reply to JZ

Beck is neither opinion nor news:

1. Beck is a racist liar. "Opinion" has a chance of being true. Lies do not.

2. News reports FACTS. It doesn't spew lies, innuendo, smear, and out-and-out political ideology and LIE that it is news.

Wallace: If your father isn't ashamed of you he is senile.

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September 20, 2009 6:29 PM   

Responding to the snub by calling the administration afraid and "cry babies" really says it all. "What are you, chicken?" perfectly demonstrates their level of maturity.

(Though the idea that it's because the administration has "a poor understanding of their own communications strategy" is particularly hilarious.)

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September 21, 2009 10:31 AM    in reply to Redshift

Wallace was projecting: he's a cry baby. And when he's turned down for a date, he calls the girl (not woman) dirty names.

That is news, criticism, or even opinion. It is name-calling, pure and simple, and nowhere near even pretending to be mature or adult.

IT is, in a word, unprofessional.

But that's what FOX is: guttersnipes who will lie not only behind one's back but also to one's face.

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September 20, 2009 7:14 PM   

"The gang on FNC then spent several minutes Sunday morning debating why the Obama White House didn't trot the President out on FOX News Sunday ..."

Oh, really? Well, with all due respect, Ben Frumin, here's what "the gang" actually said this morning on FOX News Sunday.

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September 20, 2009 7:16 PM   

OUCH!

"We figured FOX would rather show So You Think You Can Dance than broadcast an honest discussion about health insurance reform. FOX is an ideological outlet where the President has been interviewed before and will likely be interviewed again...Not that whining particularly strengthens their case for participation anytime soon."

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September 21, 2009 10:36 AM    in reply to AhTrini1

"FOX is an ideological outlet"

It's about time a president called out FOX as being what it is: far-right lunatic fringe Nazi-sympathizing liars/propaganda.

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September 20, 2009 7:47 PM   

We really should universally label Fox News for what it is... a propaganda outlet.

This is the definition of propaganda from Wiki: "Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist". They further go on to say that 'Propaganda is generally an appeal to emotion, not intellect.' Sound familiar?

They really should not be allowed to call their content 'news' much less put the 'fair and balanced' tag line behind it.

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September 20, 2009 8:48 PM   

Snub?

Diss?

Terrorist fist jab?

Gee. Hard to fathom why Obama would not appear on Fox News Channel.


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September 20, 2009 8:51 PM   

Heidi Noonan of Fox News caught inciting 9/12 protesters for the cameras:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/fox-news-producer-caught_n_292529.html

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September 20, 2009 9:33 PM   

Wallace knows, it's just another pose that they're putting on.
Fox doesn't report, they construct the dialogue they'd like to present. In a legitimate news agency, the agenda is never promoting the news agency, it's about telling the world what's going on. Fox news should be doing stories about the real world, not the hurt feelings of Fox news.

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September 21, 2009 1:19 AM    in reply to Snig

In other words, it's a not a news organization. So Obama's decision makes perfect sense, and I hope it stays this way.

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September 20, 2009 10:46 PM   

Why would Fox want a foreigner who is not a legitimate President?

For Chris Wallace to compare Fox to a real network is like comparing Chris Wallace to Mike Wallace.

Go away and cry about it with Glenn Beck.

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September 21, 2009 10:41 AM    in reply to Buckley

Wallace is worse than even O'Reilly in being unable to handle rejection.

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September 20, 2009 10:58 PM   

Is Fixed News serious? Since when did they become interested in hearing the truth or in seeing the President 'live'? Obama should not dignify them by appearing in any of their programs. In the first place, Fox is hell-bent on damaging his image and ideologies. Now, they are crying for being left out in the cold?

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September 21, 2009 10:43 AM    in reply to saywhat???

FOX Fraud-on-America is about destroying our democratic system of gov't, period.

Murdoch is clearly a Nazi sympathizer.

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September 20, 2009 11:58 PM   

Wait! When did Fox get a News network?

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September 21, 2009 1:16 AM   

Chris Wallace, quite simply, deserves a full-on punch in the mouth.

Then pick him up, dust him off, and punch his mouth twice as hard the second time.

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September 21, 2009 2:36 AM   

Um, because you're a bunch of Masengills?

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September 21, 2009 3:18 AM   

When are these numskulls going to stop pretending like they don't know what the problem is?

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September 21, 2009 5:08 AM   

Brilliant move on the part of the Obama team.

Fox is going to criticize him no matter what. Instead of getting to call him "socialist" or Nazi" through surrogates, Obama just pushed them into a corner. Now they're victims, and their audience base is unsympathetic to victims. Result is that Obama looks strong, Fox looks weak- and Obama is driving the conversation.

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September 21, 2009 10:00 AM    in reply to Dave Adams

AND, it serves to drive a deeper wedge between the Reep News Network and the rest of the media, making it clear to all where FOX actually stands. What a great use of the bully pulpit: clear, powerful, and yet above-the-fray.

It's like Obama told FOX that they need to take a time-out and go sit in the corner, while FOX whines and stomps and grudgingly obeys.

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September 21, 2009 7:55 AM   

I thought the white house made it clear that no interviews are given to people with IQ's below 40.

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September 21, 2009 8:53 AM   

F O X is a technical term - jargon. It means FULL OF X-CREMENT.

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September 21, 2009 9:33 AM   

As long as we have Fox talking heads advocating violence and giving platforms for those that do, no one should go on there.

They've gone too far.

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September 21, 2009 9:53 AM   

The comments of many of these Obama supporters reminds me of those parents, educators, politicians and pundits who were afraid of letting children listen to the President.

Every President, but especially one as intelligent and communicative as Obama, should spend a great deal of time reaching out to the opposition. FDR could reach all Americans in his fireside chats because there were no other national media at the time. Today, media and communication opportunities are fragmented and must be utilized piecemeal.

Barack Obama is smarter than anyone connected with Fox and is very effective at correcting lies/misinformation during conversation. He also recognizes that many Americans have legitimate concerns about deficits, size of government, infringement on individual and state/local autonomy, and that for better or for worse many of these Americans rely on Fox as their sole or main source of information. While I am sure that even the most spectacularly successful performance by Obama on Fox, from the perspective of Obama supporters, would still only reinforce the negative preconceptions of most Fox viewers, there would be some who would view the President and his policies in a more favorable light.

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September 21, 2009 10:17 AM    in reply to Jonathan Swiftboat

He already reaches out plenty to them (more than they deserve), and all they ever do is bite his hand. I for one don't believe every cable news outlet automatically deserves to have the President on one installment of its Sunday news shows, especially when one in particular has gone out of its way to vilify him well beyond the level one usually associates with principled criticism.

Which reminds me, why does a supposed "news" network have such a blatant agenda in the first place?

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September 21, 2009 11:13 AM    in reply to Jonathan Swiftboat

Yo, Wallace? Why don't you use your real name? Chicken? --

"FDR could reach all Americans in his fireside chats because there were no other national media at the time."

Yep: including the corporatists who plotted the coup against him, and all those who called him "socialist" and worse, and would not under ANY circumstances be persuaded by facts and reason.

Including, in short, the overt Hitler/Nazi sympatizers.

"Today, media and communication opportunities are fragmented and must be utilized piecemeal."

That's exactly what he's doing. So he left out a piece of bottom-of-the-barrel ignorant racist white trash-exploiting propaganda with "values" that never rise above "Gong Show" entertainment while LYING that it is NEWS.

"Barack Obama is smarter than anyone connected with Fox and is very effective at correcting lies/misinformation during conversation."

And doing so otherwise, as he did during his speech to the joint session of Congress. He doesn't need FOX. And doesn't need to go on FOX to refute their lies there.

You seem to forget: FOX's audience is a tiny minority, that is and or falls for a far-right lunatic fringe America-hating propaganda, which they believe as if it were a religion. One doesn't reason with them because one cannot reason with them: they lack the simplest of basics of logic so are incapable of engaging with logic and reason.

"He also recognizes that many Americans have legitimate concerns about deficits, size of government, infringement on individual and state/local autonomy,"

99 per cent of that "concern" is illegitimate America-hating anti-Constitutionalism fed to history- and law-illiterates, essentially all of whom are racists. That they uncritically swallow then repeat it doesn't make it any more legitimate.

Take your pick: among the "literate" are those who jabber about The Federalist, which is the wrong "bible" for their religionutism, and about which they know ZERO; or, in the alternative, jabber about "states' rights" -- JIM CROW -- and anti-Federalists -- about which BOTH they know ZERO.

Tenth Amendment? Well what do you know: the Constitution consists of TWO items:

1. The contextless phrase, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms"; and,

2. The Tenth Amendment (and when one points out to them that the word "State" in that Amendment means "GOV'T," they are at a loss for words.

Apparently there won't be this third item --

Art. I., s. 8, c. 15 Congress shall have the Power To provide for calling forth the Militia to Execute the laws of the Union, (and) SUPPRESS INSURRECTIONS --

Until FOX "reports" it. "Unarmed THIS time"?

"and that for better or for worse many of these Americans rely on Fox as their sole or main source of information."

And those who do are out there calling President Obama socialist-communist-Marxist-fascist-Nazi -- and racist -- and will NOT be reached because of their FOX-reinforced "habit" of rejecting not only all views which don't reinforce their preexisting false presumptions, but also rejecting reason itself.

The unhinged aren't LISTENERS: they have something to "PROVE" -- without regard for TRUTH -- and they intend that they be HEARD. PERIOD. "Drunk on someone else's cork" (Mark Twain), they intend -- for now -- to "take it out in blowin'" (Mark Twain).

That summative fact is proven when they are asked for SPECIFICS: they have NONE -- except to yet again repeat the same name-callings, as if those were actually "issues".

99.99 per cent of those yelling about the Constitution being "destroyed" haven't read it yet even the FIRST time.

"While I am sure that even the most spectacularly successful performance by Obama on Fox, from the perspective of Obama supporters, would still only reinforce the negative preconceptions of most Fox viewers, there would be some who would view the President and his policies in a more favorable light."

If such individuals, even the tiniest percentage, could be reached by reason, they wouldn't restrict their source of information to FOX's Fraud-on-America in the first place. They willfully cannot be reached for the OBVIOUS reasons detailed.

So take your apologetics for racist lunacy to Free Republic, and commiserate with the thugs there, who exult in your patently false -- and you know it's false -- nonsense.

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September 21, 2009 9:55 AM   

Because FOX, as the Republican News Network, is not fair and balanced, that's why, Chris. Next question?

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September 21, 2009 10:18 AM   

The reality is that the degree of likelihood that Fox 'News?' would clip the president's interview in order to make it look like he has said things he did not etc,. which is what they constantly do with his speeches etc., is so high that I think it would be irresponsible for the president to appear on their network.

If he can't get the truth out to Fox 'News?' viewers by appearing on their station, at least by refusing to go on their network, he is sending a message.

I wish he would never go on Fox News!

How ignorant can they be to expect him to appear on their show after refusing to show his address to a joint session of congress. I loved the response about the fact that they showed Dancing With The Stars instead... Fox is a network of morons.

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September 21, 2009 11:19 AM    in reply to synchronicity

"I think it would be irresponsible for the president to appear on their network."

Exactly. It would be exactly that.

"I wish he would never go on Fox News!"

I hope he doesn't ever agian. Let them sit in their dirty diapers in the corner and rant and rave -- and fade away.

"How ignorant can they be to expect him to appear on their show after refusing to show his address to a joint session of congress."

They aren't ignorant; they are professional lowest-common-denominator propagandists who know exactly what they are doing:

They didn't show the speech because they couldn't CONTROL the content presented.

You can be certain they after-the-fact abstracted out-of-context snippets from the speech and embedded those in anti-Obama contexts, then fed those to their enslaved viewers.

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September 21, 2009 10:20 AM   

Maybe it's because he was limiting his visits to "news shows" Chris!

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September 21, 2009 10:25 AM   

This is a test. Having problems posting

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September 21, 2009 10:26 AM   

I don't think Fox News Channel has any business calling Obama 'thin-skinned', considering this whiny rant.

And their reaction demonstrates Obama's good judgment.

As GTFOOH says, Fox News Channel is not a news channel; it's a propaganda channel.

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September 21, 2009 11:32 AM    in reply to rynato

"I don't think Fox News Channel has any business calling Obama 'thin-skinned', considering this whiny rant."

And:

". . . Fox News Channel is . . . a propaganda channel."

Note how Wallace got the word "skin" into his comment? Why doesn't he just say what he means straight out:

President Obama chose not to go onto FOX because he has black skin/is racist.

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September 21, 2009 12:48 PM    in reply to JNagarya

re: Chris Wallace, that apple has fallen VERY far from the tree.

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September 21, 2009 10:27 AM   

Maybe because Fox won't broadcast Obama's speeches or the joint session of Congress? I am pretty sure Fox has heard of the concept of "payback." Youze been paid back you numskull.

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September 21, 2009 10:28 AM   

Christ! You would think SOMEONE at Faux would be a "master of the obvious!"

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September 21, 2009 10:38 AM   

Why doesn't Glenn Beck (Rush, Sean, O'Reilly)pay a visit to Bill Moyers Journal? Why won't Obama do an interview with FUX News? Maybe he will when they stop making up the "News" as they go along.

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September 21, 2009 12:19 PM   

whaw, whaw, Wallace. Oh, he is so boo hoo...

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