In a statement sent to TPM, Newsmax spokeswoman Paula Pradines said that John L. Perry -- the columnist who claimed a military coup to "resolve the Obama problem" was increasingly possible -- is just an "unpaid blogger" for the magazine.
"He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger," she said.
On his Newsmax bio page, Perry is described as someone who "contributes a regular column to Newsmax.com." On the site's "Blogs" page, he's listed alongside other contributors including Ben Stein, Grover Norquist and Christopher Ruddy, the owner and editor-in-chief on Newsmax.
He has also written a column nearly every week since late 1999.
Pradines said Newsmax pulled the column after several reader complaints "to insure that this article was not misinterpreted."
"Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government," she added, "and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions."
Besides, Perry "clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one," she wrote.

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Amelie
September 30, 2009 11:49 AM
These people are nuts, and coming out of the woodwork. Bigots all.
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Linus_Too
September 30, 2009 3:43 PM in reply to Amelie
I agree, Amelie, they're all nuts! But all bigots(by that I assume you mean racists)? I'm not so sure. Actually, I think it's worse than bigots fomenting violence. I believe that the right-wingers spewing the bile and vitriol we hear, while they themselves may not be bigots, they are most certainly relying on the racists on the right for cover. Without that cover, I believe (hope anyway) that the saner GOP leaders would have put a stop to the violent rhetoric. But such rhetoric goes down pretty well with the bigots/racists on the right. Indeed, by all appearances, it appeals greatly to them and energizes them to such a degree that their warped (and hate-filled) enthusiasm spills over to the rest of the party faithful. And, because the GOP leaders have finally found something to energize their party, they're not about to say a whit to squelch the violent rhetoric. They will do nothing to rebuke it or otherwise tamp it down, so long as the rhetoric keeps any part of the right-wing base interested and in an anti-everything Obama frame of mind. If there were not a substantial number of bigots (racists) in the Republican Party or lurking around its fringes to lap up this kind of vitriol and encouragement of violence, the leaders of the GOP would surely speak up stamp it out because it would be doing more harm than good for the party. So, the perpetuation of violent rhetoric towards Pres. Obama and his Administration isn't just bigotry or racism, it's even more insidious. It's a cynical and calculated use of that bigotry and racism by cynical and calculating men and women to regain power for the GOP. The GOP is playing the race card big time! They do it every time some right-wing nut like John L. Perry ratchets up the violent rhetoric against Pres. Obama and his Administration and the GOP leadership remains silent.
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Amelie
September 30, 2009 11:50 AM
These people are nuts, and coming out of the woodwork. Bigots all.
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tiowally
September 30, 2009 11:51 AM
Short version: We don't pay him, we just publish his crap.
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JohnAH
September 30, 2009 11:51 AM
I love the logic, "our constitution is in jepardy, so let's form a new kind of government with our military in charge"; which wouldn't that be a bigger threat?
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rynato
September 30, 2009 12:08 PM in reply to JohnAH
Conservatives distrust all government...
...unless they are running it. Then they have a child-like faith in government.
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Walter Mitty
September 30, 2009 12:53 PM in reply to JohnAH
Not if it's wing nut hero Petraus or any other like minded "Republican" dictator.
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JimmyBobby
September 30, 2009 11:52 AM
The only "distancing" that looks right is distancing that a-hole from his job.
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DickTater
September 30, 2009 11:53 AM
Besides, Perry "clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one," she wrote.
Wrong. He made one grammatically challenged attempt to say he did not advocate this, but was 'just sayin'
Then he went on to advocate it, over and over.
Also hard to not notice his use of military lingo.....so we can be pretty sure he was in the military (or a wannabe) and thinks he is speaking FOR and TO the military mindset.
Never, with all of the proof that TheCheney and Chimp were leading us off constitutional cliffs, did the Left advocate military coups.
We live in scary times, when people who are so deluded and incapable of processing facts and truth are advocating such dire and violent solutions to their imaginary dilemmas. They have now an inkling of what we felt during the Bush years, but they are so unhinged from truth and reality...that there is really no empathy that we can share.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
September 30, 2009 12:05 PM in reply to DickTater
The one thing that guy was not was in touch with the military mindset. There have always been a few right wing extremist loons in the ranks of the general officers (the Air Force seems to frequently have had more than its share) since at least the '30s. Not really surprising. Not every militaristic self-perceived superpatriot is a chickenhawk--just almost all of them.
But subordination to civilian authority is drilled into the academy grads to the point that's its almost reflexive. That's particularly true of the West Pointers and, as intended, it seeps out from them into the career military generally. Many of them can't bear to hear any criticism whatsoever of a sitting president--regardless of party or personal preference or even fears that he's a disaster--even years after they retire. They'll literally get up and leave the room.
When they take their oaths, they're acutely aware that the "and domestic" part of "defend against all enemies foreign and domestic" isn't just idle theory. They know it means they're swearing they'll shoot assholes like Perry if they do more than just talk and they don't have a problem with it. That's the real irony to this latest wingnut mastrabatory fantasy.
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DickTater
September 30, 2009 1:20 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Good to hear. You will note, that I did not say I was sure he was military, just that he may have been (or is a wannabe) and thinks that he is speaking to the military types (as in, he is hoping he can stir up the military into taking his fantasy to the next level)
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dswx
September 30, 2009 12:42 PM in reply to DickTater
He is a conservative wacko. They are all cowards to the core so none of them ever served in the military. Bank on it.
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Apphouse50
September 30, 2009 11:54 AM
Now can we get them to stop spamming us? Jeez, I'm worn out from unsubscribing to no avail. They just keep on keepin' on.
I love that they're in retreat on this.
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counter coulter
September 30, 2009 11:55 AM
Besides, Perry "clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one," she wrote.
If that's the case, then why take down the article?
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EH
September 30, 2009 11:55 AM
I don't read Newsmax, nor have I seen this column, but is there any indication that this is any different than a Kos Diary or TPM's own "Reader Voices?"
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SkippyFlipjack
September 30, 2009 12:01 PM in reply to EH
Newsmax fancies themselves a news organization, different from DKos. Also, they end the article with: "John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is a regular columnist for Newsmax.com. Read John Perry's columns here." Sure doesn't sound like a random guy setting up his own blog on their site.
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rebop
September 30, 2009 12:14 PM in reply to SkippyFlipjack
Also, Perry has been a regular NewsMax columnist since 1999. He's written hundreds of columns for them.
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EH
September 30, 2009 12:25 PM in reply to rebop
Thanks all, and I just saw the update. I just thought it was germane to ask.
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AJM
September 30, 2009 1:38 PM in reply to EH
I gather he still is???? They just pulled the one column?
Not to mention the deafening silence from any remaining responsible Republicans instead of forcefully urging that if this guy claims he was just reporting we need an investigation fast of the people he was talking to and any one plotting like this has just ended their career.
And, if this is a time of war, they are clearly adhering to domestic enemies of the United States and should be subject to treason charges.
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Obey
September 30, 2009 11:59 AM
Compare and contrast:
"A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible. Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem." - J. Perry
"Perry "clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one," - Newsmax spokesperson
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T Heaney
September 30, 2009 12:23 PM in reply to Obey
A "non-violent solution?" Hum, let me think a bit . . . Oh, I know, we'll hold an election in 2010 to decide who should be in the law making body of the federal government, and then we'll hold another election in 2012 to maybe elect someone else as President. Yea, let's do that.
Shesh, THAT's what the Constitution provides -- a non-violent method of gaining political change!
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hunter
September 30, 2009 12:25 PM in reply to Obey
"Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem."
Just off the top of my head: the 2012 election.
Actually I think this is the most interesting part of the article; the tacit admission that the "conservative" coalition can't win electorally any more. Only people who think they've been shut out of power permanently try to break a democracy...otherwise, it's too much easier just to focus on "next time." These guys, just like Southern Democrats in 1860, can see that their coalition has been forever marginalized, and simply will never again be able to command an electoral majority. They can either build a new, bigger coalition or they can violently revolt. And it looks like a lot of folks prefer the latter.
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rebop
September 30, 2009 12:01 PM
Good to know he's not getting paid to write this stuff.
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thomas1
September 30, 2009 1:02 PM in reply to rebop
do we know he's not getting paid?
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rebop
September 30, 2009 1:57 PM in reply to thomas1
No but I hate to think anyone could get paid for such idiocy...despite so many examples to the contrary.
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ibc
September 30, 2009 12:01 PM
Yeah, funny how that works, isn't it?
When an anonymous contest entrant posts a video to DKos comparing Bush to Hitler, it's an indictment of The Left, and Daily Kos in particular. But when a regular columnist of one of the more popular right-wing websites starts calling for a military coup...y'know, that's just some lone guy unreflective of the greater movement.
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SkippyFlipjack
September 30, 2009 12:05 PM in reply to ibc
It was posted to a MoveOn contest, I believe, one of thousands of submissions.
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SkippyFlipjack
September 30, 2009 12:03 PM
So he's not advocating a coup, but he's reporting that it's a "gaining [sic, I think] possibility". He obviously has some evidence to back that up if he's not advocating such a position.
Waiting...
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lyleleander
September 30, 2009 12:20 PM in reply to SkippyFlipjack
Maybe he can clarify that point when he's on Hannity's show tonight, in between them whining and bitching about his mistreatment by the liberal press and First Amendment haters.
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Savannah Evans
September 30, 2009 12:05 PM
Waterboarding Newsmax management and J. Perry is not an ideal option, but this radical column is not acceptable or reverisble. Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Newsmax problem.
I am not advocating such a scenario, but simply describing one.
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Yail Bloor
September 30, 2009 12:06 PM
Not a very graceful way to discover boundaries.
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ibc
September 30, 2009 12:56 PM in reply to Yail Bloor
Filed Under: Snarky Things I Wish I Had Written.
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Quaker in a Basement
September 30, 2009 12:10 PM
Say, I wonder if the New York Times is going to "respond more quickly" to this conversation on the right.
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bmags
September 30, 2009 12:14 PM in reply to Quaker in a Basement
Awesome.
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ibc
September 30, 2009 12:57 PM in reply to Quaker in a Basement
Filed Under: Snarky Things I Wish I Had Written.
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lyleleander
September 30, 2009 12:16 PM
This is the same thing as DeMint making the Waterloo comment.
'Dude... we all believe that... but don't F'ING say it out LOUD where the public can hear it!!! We might just end up looking bad to people who aren't completely bat-shit insane. Jesus....'
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jeffgee
September 30, 2009 12:20 PM
It's like when the attorney who says outrageous things during a trial, then withdraws them when challenged, the jury hears it even though the jury is told to disregard it. What was said can't be un-said. Newsmax took it down after it went viral. The coup invitation will live on in email.
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Bruce Webb
September 30, 2009 12:20 PM
"I love the logic, "our constitution is in jepardy, so let's form a new kind of government with our military in charge"; which wouldn't that be a bigger threat?"
I coincidentally have a post about this on my blog called "Conservatives and the Ancient Constitution". The Anglo-American Common Law tradition doesn't rest on any written constitution, instead it appeals to what the lawyers called the Ancient Constitution which is not only older than recorded history but by definition perfect and unchanging. The Conservative movement that grew up around Edmund Burke in Britain around the time of our Revolution explicitly appealed to the Ancient Constitution in defending the rights of Parliament, i.e. property owners, against both the government and the people. American Conservatism simply internalized Burkean Ancient Constitution Conservatism. Which I think explains their tendency to take our written Constitution cafeteria style, regarding it an an imperfect reflection of the perfect Ancient Constitution.
When these people claim they are 'Originalists' they mean it, their allegiance is to a Constitution that is literally invisible to you and me but which they see as clearly endorsing the rights of property owners to resist taxation and to limit the demands on them by the property-less.
For example it is on one level insane to say that the income tax is unconstitutional. Because the Sixteenth Amendment is clear as day. And it is pretty odd to say that the 'General Welfare' clause seen both in the Preamble and in Article 1 Sec 8 'Powers of Congress' is not legally meaningful. But if you regard both as violations of the underlying Ancient Constitution then all becomes clear. I doubt one reichnut in a thousand could articulate this but clearly they are living in a world where 'Things Just Are Not Right' and that everything would just be better if we got it realigned with the "The Way it Ought To Be', a way that is only dimly and imperfectly reflected in the written Constitution and the statutes enacted pursuant to that.
I don't know that in the end it makes a difference whether you talk about the Ancient Constitution, or Natural Law, or Revealed Truth as reflected in the Bible, these people know what they believe and believe what they know, and our pitiful attempts to point to events in the reality based continuum are just not persuasive.
(And yes the path from this mindset to the more mystical sides of Fascism is short and swift)
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Freedom Thinker
October 1, 2009 4:32 PM in reply to Bruce Webb
I think it is quite a bold assumption that Bruce Webb makes in his comments that Republican's
I think a more accurate thing to say would be that they give different meaning to things based on historical context and philosophical political views.
For example the General Welfare clause in the preamble comes with no powers enumerated to it is a statement of rights a reason for the "forming of a more prefect union". The powers are the laid out in the various articles. More over the article reference Article 1, Section 8 is often interpreted as "General Welfare" to the states not individuals as it reads...
Therefore, the constitutionality of taxing/fining whatever the term is individuals to provide for the general welfare/health care/social security etc. of individuals could be question as Article I, Section 8 reads the General Welfare of the United States. In those times before the radical 14th amendment this mean each individual state not the federal government. Moral relativism is a slippery slope to walk down. When things begin to have whatever meaning you want to apply to it for whatever situation horrible things can be justified. The way our constitution has been trampled is a shame. We wonder why things have got so bad but yet continue down the same path.
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T Heaney
September 30, 2009 12:26 PM
New GOP mem: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" (Henry II)
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napalmgod
September 30, 2009 5:05 PM in reply to T Heaney
Why not? It worked with George Tiller (the abortion doctor)..
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Leebot
September 30, 2009 12:33 PM
Note to John Perry --
We HAD a bloodless coup. It's called the 2008 Presidential Election.
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napalmgod
September 30, 2009 5:15 PM in reply to Leebot
Depending on how much crack they're smoking, they'll respond with:
a) Obama wasn't born in the USA, but in Kenya, so he's not a legitimate President.
b) ACORN stuffed the ballot boxes in a half-dozen states. Obama's not a legitimate President.
c) The American people were fooled by his campaign promises, and now he represents a real danger to the country.
In this case, the Newsmax author was going with c)in trying to claim that "we" cannot wait until the 2010 election, and so tossing out "Let's have a Coup d'état" as an option.
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nfbloch
September 30, 2009 12:36 PM
Has this been reported to the DOD? Love to hear what Secretary Gates has to say about this.
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William K. Wolfrum
September 30, 2009 12:51 PM
Just sayin'.
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Walter Mitty
September 30, 2009 12:51 PM
Same bullshit CYA as Cavuto/Beck's "I'm just asking a question. Can't I ask a question?"
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Ted Oehmke
September 30, 2009 12:53 PM
I wonder what Mr. Perry could tell us about the domestic platform of our new would-be rulers? Where do they stand on healthcare? Will they also have death panels? Will they offer tougher regulations on the big banks? Will red state christian freakazoids finally be able to forget about evolution and get to teaching their creationist "truth"? What about "Don't Ask Don't Tell"? Will they discard the current design of the American flag and replace it with a bald eagle and the christian cross? Who are the real Nazis here?
Somebody find these wingnuts a good therapist. Maybe that same someone could start a recovery program: Wingnuts Anonymous
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Tamarat
September 30, 2009 12:53 PM
I looked at his biography and it looked, for the most part, like a sort of middle-of-the-road Democratic underling and mediocre journalist. So what happened to send this guy over the edge?
I've had the same question about people like Zell Miller or Ralph Nader.
Since I'm approaching senior-citizenhood, I think I can say, without being attacked as agist, that maybe there's some little brain glitches -- sort of like a computer file that works but has some errors that send it into a tailspin under certain circumstances.
I'm telling my family members that if they see that happening to me, get me to a neurologist immediately. Symptoms would be:
suddenly thinking the far-right has a point
carrying signs with words like moron misspelled
screaming epithets at meetings
calling elected officials nazis at the same time as accusing them of being communists
seeing hidden messages in the artwork in public buildings
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roxanne
September 30, 2009 12:53 PM
Should the people at Newsmax be killed? (SNARK)!!!! Don't send the Secret Service to my house! I'm just being an ass, which is exactly what these idiots at Newsmax are and those idiots who posted that offensive facebook poll before they took it down. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. THEY SHOULD ARREST THESE CLOWNS!
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runfastandwin
September 30, 2009 12:54 PM
Perry is all but an original founder of Newsmax. He has been with them since the very beginning. I suspect he has been paid by them a lot more than once as well.
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Ed's Daily Rant
September 30, 2009 12:56 PM
"clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one"
Gee, if that's the criteria that makes it OK, I guess I should blog the details of all sorts of heinous crimes against republocans. I mean, I wouldn't be advocating any of the scenarios, simply describing them!
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howie
September 30, 2009 1:34 PM
Gee, ACORN "distanced itself" from its problem workers and it mattered not one bit.
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SkippyFlipjack
September 30, 2009 2:06 PM
He says that officers don't swear to obey the president of the U.S. But don't they have to obey him in his role as commander in chief of the armed forces, whether they've explicitly sworn that or not? They don't swear to obey every officer in the chain of command above them but they have to anyway.
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ladyfractal
September 30, 2009 2:56 PM
Perhaps if Mr. Perry is so hot for military coups, I can suggest any number of nations he can go to where this is the more-or-less normal way that power is shifted. Now, I'm not suggesting that Mr. Perry should leave the country nor am I suggesting that he likes military dictatorships. I'm just saying that IF it were true then PERHAPS he might want to avail himself of that option. Did I get that right? Is that how it works? Say it and then say you didn't say what you said? I'm WELL on my way to being a conservative columnist! Yay!
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billp
September 30, 2009 5:04 PM
These people will stop at nothing, including overthrowing the government and tearing up the Constitution, to get their way. It's truly frightening. Get ready for the next US Civil War.
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