
At an anti-immigration event last night, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) defended his colleague Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC), saying, "The President threw the first punch."
"A lot of us said, well, this health care bill is gonna fund illegals, and the President said, 'Prominent politicians are lying to you.' He said that on the floor of the House of Representatives," King said. "I don't think there's ever been a President comes to the House of Representatives as a guest of the members of the House and makes a declaration like he did. I mean, the President threw the first punch."
Wilson was "unfortunate", he said, to get caught in a pause in the noise, like when you're screaming to be heard in a crowd and then the crowd goes silent.
"God bless him. He said what we were thinking," King said, adding that Wilson is "an officer and a gentleman and a patriot."
The House voted to disapprove of Wilson's outburst last week, in which he yelled, "You lie!" when Obama said a health care reform bill would not provide insurance to illegal immigrants.
CityGuy
September 16, 2009 9:36 AM
Wrong again Stevo! The president spoke in generalities, not naming names. No breach of decorum there. Wilson called the Head of State, addressing a joint session of Congress, a liar. No matter how many of us believed that W. lied like a rug about his Iraq War, no one would expect a Democrat to have shouted "liar" at him when he addressed Congress. That's the distinction between the Head of Government (eg. a Prime Minister) and the US Head of State.
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Overreach THIS!
September 16, 2009 10:47 AM in reply to CityGuy
Right! Thanks.
Further distinction is that House of Commons raised voices is a thing that only occurs during a defined period, Question Period.
Other distinction is that one is never, during Question Period or any other time, permitted to call a fellow MP including the PM a "liar."
Very uninformed, lazy, and bloviating approach to this issue among many TPM readers who should know a lot better, BTW. Embarrassing.
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sagesource
September 16, 2009 3:02 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
Hence many interesting circumlocutions, such as Winston Churchill's "terminological inexactitude."
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MichiganMark
September 16, 2009 9:42 AM
Give these guys enough rope and they will hang themselves.
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GTFOOH
September 16, 2009 9:46 AM
I just love the fact that a bigger liar and a bigger racist is coming to the defense of Joe Wilson. It's like the Klan vouching for the John Birch Society!
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AnswerFrog
September 16, 2009 9:55 AM in reply to GTFOOH
Yes, like the Klan vouching for the John Birch Society, in more ways than one
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AhTrini1
September 16, 2009 11:44 AM in reply to GTFOOH
ROTFLMAO@ that's was my thought exactly!
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Sacanagem
September 16, 2009 9:47 AM
THEY STARTED IT!!!
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greylox
September 16, 2009 5:07 PM in reply to Sacanagem
**Is King saying he thinks that little joe dude is a "prominent politician?"
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jeffgee
September 16, 2009 9:48 AM
The GOP meme du jour- Obama was a rude guest, coming into OUR house and saying that some of the things WE say are lies.
Subtext through the Rush filter-
But that's how THOSE people are.
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jenzinoh
September 16, 2009 11:44 AM in reply to jeffgee
Someone really ought to point out to them that it isn't THEIR House to begin with... it would be the people's house.... Congressman King, you know the people, the ones they lie to and suck up to everytime they need to get elected but then screw over the rest of the time.
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DickTater
September 16, 2009 10:10 AM
Well, the main thing here is the president called a lie a lie. The repubs called the truth a lie.
The onus is on each person to show what they are talking about, and where it is a lie or the truth. In every case here, the president is calling an outrageous, harmful, scare-tactic what it is....a lie. The southern racists are saying that there is provisions for full-medical coverage for illegal aliens....and it is not true.
It is OK to call a liar a liar when you have the facts and their statements on record. It is not OK to call someone a liar when you have no facts or statements that back your claim.
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Azdak
September 16, 2009 10:13 AM
It's like the GOP has a regular rotation on its bench of Wingnut Designated Hitters--Bachmann, King, Cornyn, Inhofe, Vitter, etc--I always wonder how they communicate whose turn it is to come up to bat. Who sends the email? The Boner? Cantor? Ailes?
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jeffgee
September 16, 2009 11:39 AM in reply to Azdak
My vote's on Ailes, at GOP Propaganda Central.
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AhTrini1
September 16, 2009 11:46 AM in reply to jeffgee
ditto
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Rich in NJ
September 16, 2009 10:13 AM
Steve King can't handle the truth.
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Kinkistyle
September 16, 2009 10:20 AM
Schoolyard bullies. Nothing more, nothing less.
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CityGuy
September 16, 2009 10:33 AM
The horror of Steven King! lol (I couldn't resist!)
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mk3872
September 16, 2009 10:39 AM
Oh, right, I GET IT! The "opposition" party in the U.S. is allowed to make up claims about the President when the Pres is a Democrat, right?
But when they get called out on it, then the President is at fault.
See, this kind of logic only works in the conservative mind ...
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CityGuy
September 16, 2009 10:43 AM in reply to mk3872
Yes, now you understand the way our system works.
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jagriff1
September 16, 2009 11:09 AM
Oh look, Steve King being a dick again. Dog bites man much?
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AhTrini1
September 16, 2009 11:33 AM
"The president lied in their house" is the new talking point for them, since here is this known racist King saying today and the other congressman from TX saying it too.
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714Day
September 16, 2009 11:34 AM
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swanwilliam
September 16, 2009 11:45 AM
Wilson is not a prominent politician, for one. Or at least, he wasn't until this made him famous.
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Clavis
September 16, 2009 12:28 PM
This is a standard, foul, right-wing authoritarian tactic:
- Don't say "I'm bigoted against gays and don't want them to have equal rights," say "There's a homosexual agenda and they started it and I'm only fighting back in self-defense!!!"
- Don't say "I want America to be a fundamentalist Christian theocracy," say "There's a War on Christmas and the SPs are out to get us and they started it and I'm only fighting back in self-defense!!!"
- Don't say "I want to smear John Kerry and call his bravery and service into question so he loses the '04 election" say "John Kerry came back from Viet Nam and spoke out against his fellow soldiers, so he started it and I'm only fighting back in self-defense!!!"
- Don't say "I hate liberals and I have no respect for the rule of law and if I don't win, I'm taking my ball and going home and pouting," say "Obama and the socialists are out to take away our freedoms and DESTROY AMERICA!!! They started it and I'm only fighting back in self-defense!!!"
Always claim the other guy started it -- that way, no matter how ruthless or extreme you get in your rhetoric or your actions, you can still project a sense of arrogant self-righteousness -- even if you threw the first punch.
These people truly are scum.
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Anasazi
September 16, 2009 12:30 PM
Why is Wilson "an officer and a gentleman and a patriot" when he breeched official decorum, acted as a cur rather than a gentleman, and attempted to incite rebellion in the halls of Congress. This new age way of using words is a wonder! The perpetrator is the victim, and the crime is the achievement.
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PushMe-PullYou
September 16, 2009 12:58 PM
"King said, adding that Wilson is "an officer and a gentleman and a patriot."
He neglected to note that Rep. Wilson is a former protege of the late segregationist Sen. Strom Thurmond.
PS: In this context, "patriot" means right-wing, corporatist douchebag.
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HawkeyeD
September 16, 2009 1:01 PM
I don't like to call people names when they say and do horrible things, but in this case I can't help it. You are Steve King!
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MyMy
September 16, 2009 1:21 PM
Republicans are totally juvenile, with their "I hit him back first" nonsense.
Isn't it time we stopped listening to these silly, silly people?
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sagesource
September 16, 2009 3:06 PM in reply to MyMy
Isn't it even better to mock them? Along the lines of the soon to be classic comparison of the gross inflation of the size of the teabagger crowd to claiming that your penis is 53" long.
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Malachi
September 16, 2009 4:26 PM
My,my! what a bunch of neanderthals!sometimes gentlemen [ republicans]and women have to get to the level of those that are low function, Yes, Bozo did throw the first punch by blatantly lying [ in generalities]You got it right, the obamaitte speaks in generalities because he know that only the intelligent will get it, but the slow crowd? he knows it will go over their brain-damaged skulls.
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Tosh
June 2, 2010 7:39 PM
Well, the main thing here is the president called a lie a lie. The repubs called the truth a lie.
The onus is on each person to show what they are talking about, and where it is a lie or the truth. In every case here, the president is calling an outrageous, harmful, scare-tactic what it is....a lie. The southern racists are saying that there is provisions for full-medical coverage for illegal aliens....and it is not true.
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