Last month, the Republican National Committee used Newsmax's email list -- probably for a fee -- to solicit donations and support.
Newsmax -- which published (and later unpublished) a column saying it's not "unrealistic" that there may be a "military intervention" against President Obama -- names the RNC as "our sponsor" in the email, which is signed by RNC chair Michael Steele.
The message, addressed to "Fellow conservative," asks readers to take a health care survey and contribute "$1,000, $500, $100, $50 or $25 to help support our efforts to combat the Democrats' attempt to impose 'Obamacare' on all of us."
"You and the RNC are all that stand between our sensible Republican plan for real health care reform and the Democrats' scheme to take more of your hard-earned income to pay for other people's health care while limiting yours," it reads.

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ericAZ
September 30, 2009 7:05 PM
The Republicans are going the way of the Federalists. The original party in American politics accomplished much in the early years of the Republic. But they lost some elections, got angry and flirted with treason. Voters were mortified and the party disappeared quickly. Republicans have all the elements for a repeat. They lost elections. They are angry, and unwilling to play the time-honored role of loyal opposition. We just have to call them out on their treason.
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thisniss
September 30, 2009 7:22 PM in reply to ericAZ
The problem is that there is no new opposition party forming to replace the GOP. Instead, we get Conservadems and Blue Dogs dragging the Democrats rightward. If there has ever been a moment ripe for the formation of a new political party, this is it (and a proliferation of parties would be even better). I would so much prefer real debates amongst principled parties with genuine disagreements than the partisan free-for-all we've got now.
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jdb316
September 30, 2009 8:57 PM in reply to thisniss
For that to happen, elections will have to become far less expensive. As it stands now, candidates from parties not named Democratic or Republican don't have the money to compete in state and federal elections. The best they can hope for is to get in the low to mid-single digits and maybe swing a close election, the way Ralph Nader did in 2000.
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JEP07
October 1, 2009 10:49 AM in reply to jdb316
"For that to happen, elections will have to become far less expensive."
Websites can be pretty cheap these days....
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Richardxx
October 1, 2009 11:49 AM in reply to thisniss
At the time of the disappearance of the Federalists there was no party tradition, and in fact there was a general belief that there was no use for political parties as I understand the situation. Two centuries later that is clearly not the case.
What we have today is a system consisting of two institutional political parties. The American political structure is set up to prefer two - and only two - national parties, one of which has been taken over by radical crazies who do not want to govern. Rather than govern, their goal is to destroy the existing social and governmental structure. The comparatively sane politicians of both liberal and conservative nature have been forced into an alliance within the Democratic Party to fight off the crazies.
The Republican conservative radicals are self-destructing, but they retain the monopoly power over one of the two party structures as they do it. But they are radicals, not capable of providing governance of a modern industrial nation. Until they collapse sufficiently, they will still maintain control over one of the two political party structures and the comparatively sane politicians find themselves allied in loose control of the Democratic Party structure to defend sanity against the radical.
There will not be a third national party. There is no room for it in the American political system. Ross Perot in 1992 proved that. The institutional power to exist as a national party is made up of a great deal more than any political ideology. As long as the Republicans continue to be dominated by ideological radicals out to destroy the existing American social and government system, the sane politicians will be crammed together in a forced alliance loosely controlling the other political party.
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slb
October 1, 2009 2:21 PM in reply to Richardxx
Good analysis.
What if runnoff voting were to become the dominant model? Do you think that would allow some room for a third party?
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Insy
September 30, 2009 7:18 PM
I'm most afraid that if somebody gets hurt because of their crazy rhetoric, these people are going to get away with incitement of violence against the state and their base won't bat an eyelash. If these guys take back the legislator in 2010, God help us all.
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Insy
September 30, 2009 7:19 PM in reply to Insy
legislature*
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Overreach THIS!
October 1, 2009 3:39 AM in reply to Insy
1. If anyone gets hurt they will blame us for provoking it and saying we created a poison atmosphere, etc. When they get blamed they will be horrifically wounded by the unfairness of it and will try to get other people hurt in revenge.
2. They are *not* going to take back the legislature. They aren't popular, and even if they yell even LOUDER that Obama is Hitler, it's still not going to work.
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mcrose68
October 1, 2009 11:05 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
but what if they whine a lot.
I've been watching Glenn Beck, and boy can that kid wimper like a six year old with developmental problems.
If they whine enough, that might swing voters back to their camp. . . LOL
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JNagarya
October 1, 2009 1:12 PM in reply to mcrose68
It might swing other six-year-olds to their party. But six-year-olds don't yet have the right to vote.
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kalimuzo
September 30, 2009 7:40 PM
The thing about the internet is that anybody can write and it spreads like wildfire. The republicans are acting like a dying animal, it fights real hard. There will be no republican takeover in 2010. They do not have a message, it will not be a national election since the news will all be about the economic rebound, and they have lost a lot of credibility.
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Richardxx
October 1, 2009 12:11 PM in reply to kalimuzo
I think the radical Republicans have a message.
The message they have is fear - fear of change and fear of the national government that is supposedly forcing that social change. The question is whether they can sell incoherent fear to enough of the public to get voters to return their party to office nationally.
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greylox
September 30, 2009 7:52 PM
**I can't decide if these people are traitors or seditionists. Anybody?
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ericAZ
September 30, 2009 8:29 PM in reply to greylox
They are both.
Traitor: "one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty. one who commits treason."
Sedition: "incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government."
Neither one is actually a capital offense any longer.
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Firstthingwedo
September 30, 2009 10:46 PM in reply to ericAZ
Treason is, indeed, a capital offense in the US.
The United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
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kenga
October 1, 2009 9:30 AM in reply to Firstthingwedo
Meh. I don't really think it's that relevant.
Consider:
Robert E. Lee
Find me a conservative(including the major players in Iran-Contra, selling weapons to a declared enemy of the US) whose
actions approach those of Lee, who was never charged.
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SqueakyRat
October 1, 2009 8:03 PM in reply to ericAZ
Tell it to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
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Former Federal Employee
September 30, 2009 8:53 PM
I enjoyed this scenario more when it was called Seven Days In May.
Ironically, the novel is set soon after a stalemated war in Iran.
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Rainyday
September 30, 2009 9:19 PM
Yeah we all know about the "Republican Plan for Health Care:
...Luckily, Rep Grayson laid it all out for us. The Party of NO ... Says"
1 Don't Get Sick
2 If you Get Sick
3. DIE QUICKLY (preferably after they have collected your monthly premium.)
Just read their business plans, I know I have read them.
Retired MD.
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stevor
September 30, 2009 11:22 PM in reply to Rainyday
That's the leftist view, distorted, as usual.
One thing that the leftists complain about is the lack of competition. Allowing people to buy health plans over state lines would increase that competition. Does Obummer's plan (oh, yeah, he doesn't have an actual plan but refers to pretend plans) allow that? No, but Dan Lundgren sponsored a bill to do that.
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Bass Ace
October 1, 2009 1:33 AM in reply to stevor
They won't compete. the bastards will just carve up the country like the European empires devided up the New World.
It wouldn't do a thing to help the millions of uninsured, or induce them to stop dropping the sick and raising rates.
They'll collude to keep profits ever higher.
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Mim Song
October 1, 2009 9:23 AM in reply to stevor
cross-state competition would gut state regulation of insurance. you'd then have to have federal insurance regulation. or are you one of those whistle-past-the-graveyard pseudo-libertarians, more attached to ideology than reality? just askin, stevor.
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saulgoodman
October 1, 2009 12:13 PM in reply to Mim Song
And sadly, as someone who watched it happen first hand in Florida as a contractor, insurance regulation in many states has already been gutted (with drastically shrunken regulatory bodies, legislative reinterpretation of the mission of the remaining regulatory bodies as one of "forging constructive partnership with the industry" rather than, you know, actually regulating them, etc...) Maybe strong federal regulation would be a good thing. We could probably capture enough in fees and penalties from existing industry abusers to pay for a massive single payer public health plan.
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Russell
October 1, 2009 9:43 AM in reply to stevor
Your 'colorful' use of the President's name only belies your 8th grade education level. If you cannot present a coherent opinion without fumbling the spelling of the President's name, then why do you think anyone would want to give your thought or opinion the time of day? Go back to your sand box with the other children and let the adults speak.
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hunter
October 1, 2009 9:55 AM in reply to stevor
Allowing people to buy health plans over state lines would increase that competition.
How's that working out in banking? Oh, right, now they're all based in one state (DE) because it has the most lax regulations. Letting people buy health insurance from any state would do exactly the same thing: completely and totally gut all state regulation.
Oh, and on another note..."Obummer?" Really? What a jerk.
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Richardxx
October 1, 2009 12:29 PM in reply to stevor
Insurance has to be uniformly regulated by the government to be sold as a mass product. Without regulation the customer has no idea what he is buying because an insurance product is paying up front for a promise and then hoping for someone to live up to that promise much later when the selling organization can make a lot of money by reneging on the promise. Recissions are just one small example of that. There are good and very powerful reasons why every state in the nation regulates insurance.
Do you really think that South Dakota or Delaware regulators will protect purchasers outside their state? I don't.
Selling health insurance across state lines without a uniform national insurance regulator performing the functions performed by the insurance regulators in every state simply allows the big insurers to take over a single state, redesign the regulation to suit themselves and sell crap nationally.
The credit card industry did something like that three decades ago, and that is one reason why credit cards are incomprehensible rip-offs of their customers. Health insurance would be much worse than the worst abuses by the banks because health insurance is a much more complicated product than credit cards.
Tell me - does anyone proposing selling health insurance across state lines propose a uniform national regulator for health insurers? Could it ever get through Congress?
The obvious answers are NO and NO.
Selling insurance across state lines means selling crap and making insurers even more wealthy while degrading the current American health system even more than it is now.
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JNagarya
October 1, 2009 1:20 PM in reply to stevor
"One thing that the leftists complain about is the lack of competition."
No, they do not. They emphasize cooperation of sociopathy. And the far-right lunatic fringe to which you beling bashes them for that -- cooperation being "whimpy" and "cowardly".
It's the far-right that always jabbers about "freedom" and "free market" and "competition" -- except when they control the monopoly, in which instance they accuse the "left," when it asks the far-right, "What about competeition?" of being "Socialist".
The bottom line -- and this will be too straight for you to grasp -- is that the far-right is so incoherent, so muddled, so befogged in its own ideological bullshit, that it can't see that it is incoherent, muddled, and up to its hairline in its own shit.
Problem is, diapers would only help with one of those problems. But David Vitter has that monopoly.
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JNagarya
October 1, 2009 1:24 PM in reply to JNagarya
Ooops --
cooperation OVER sociopathy.
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davcbr
October 1, 2009 1:22 PM in reply to stevor
mmm. isn't that the way it is with credit cards? why do you think delaware and s dakota are so important in the world of credit cards?
hint: it's not to give better customer service.
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slb
October 1, 2009 2:27 PM in reply to stevor
Oh, yeah, like cross-state commpetition worked with credit card companies? Yeah, that really did a lot to protect consumers. NOT!!
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Perm Dude
September 30, 2009 9:22 PM
Despite Republican problems, they will continue to live on so long as Democrats continue to infight to the death while demonstrating an unwillingness to actually govern.
This means, at times, actually compromising on issues in order to move things along. Dems seem more intent upon staking out positions than in actually governing. Winning elections is only half the battle. An unwillingness to do what is necessary to put Democratic policies into action sends a clear signal that Democrats, on the federal level, aren't worth the vote.
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AJM
September 30, 2009 9:29 PM in reply to Perm Dude
Most Dems are indeed worth the vote -- if only to keep the Repugs out. Dems who act like Repugs aren't worth the vote. So it's time to be very selective in who we send money to and who we support.
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seattlemkh
October 1, 2009 12:28 AM
"our sensible Republican plan for real health care reform"
Can I get a copy of that?
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Woodrowfan
October 1, 2009 9:33 AM in reply to seattlemkh
"our sensible Republican plan for real health care reform" Can I get a copy of that?
it will be delivered as soon as the repubs perfect their special delivery via unicorn system. :)
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Grackle
October 1, 2009 9:45 AM
At least they're consistent with other conservative media in wearing their GOP ties on their sleeves.
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macsurf
October 1, 2009 10:21 AM
I live out of the country and, I can tell you, it's embarrassing to be an American, perhaps even more so than during the Bush years.
At least then, he was what non-Ameicans focused on in terms of what's wrong with America.
Now, as non-Americans see polls on FaceBook asking if Obama should be killed, the Newsmax suggestion a coup may be necessary to "resolve" the Obama issue, Sarah palin's talk of death panels and euthanizing the elderly and people like Palin's baby Trig, and Michelle bachmann's talk of concentration camps where Obama opponents will be held after the census reveals where they live - have more and more non-Americans here in Costa Rica thinking the US is populated and dominated by ignorant, overwhelmingly white, Bible thumping whack jobs who really hate Obama more for the color of his skin than his policies.
I know it's not true, but it's getting harder all the time, given how much air time the whack jobs are being given, to convince non-American's it's not true.
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billp
October 1, 2009 11:41 AM
Newsmax took down the article about a military coup, but they can take satisfaction in that it served its purpose. People are now openly talking about removing the President from power by force.
Nice work on their part in carrying out the larger GOP strategy:
1. Use apocalyptic rhetoric that exacerbates fear, bigotry and extremism among the uneducated and intolerant.
2. Counter any liberal criticism of your inflammatory calls for action by saying they can't take a joke or you misspoke.
3. Keep turning up the heat and act surprised when somebody finally heeds your calls for extreme action.
4. Be sure to maintain you were only speaking figuratively and you are being unfairly blamed when violence occurs.
5. Keep your celebrations behind closed doors.
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davidkfuller
October 1, 2009 8:28 PM
If the democrats could get their own house in order with a majority in both houses, anything would be possible. First the some of the Democrats want a public option, then others don't. Then some want illegals to be covered and some don't. Then others want abortions to be paid for by the public and some don't. Quit whining about the Republicans and get your own in order. Our President Obummer will sign anything so get your Death Panel act together Libs!
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