Two men were arrested when police found a pipe bomb, two shotguns, bomb-making materials, ammunition, a can of propane and SWAT costumes in their car Tuesday night in New Haven, Conn.
So far the police don't have a clear sense of what the pair were planning to do, New Haven Police spokesman Officer Joe Avery told TPM.
"They're not talking much," Avery said.
Police received a call just before midnight about a suspicious car with weapons on the backseat, he said. Police surrounded the car, a Mercedes, and pulled the two men out. A bomb squad detonated the pipe bomb.
The men, John Iannucci, 38, of Branford, Conn., and Jessup Bollinger, 27, of New Haven, were charged with the manufacture of bombs, illegal possession of explosives, illegally transporting explosives and having a shotgun in a vehicle. Bollinger was also charged with criminal possession of a firearm. The two are being held on $500,000 bond each, said New Haven Police spokesman Officer Joe Avery, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is also investigating.
The New Haven Register has reported that one of the men was arrested earlier this year for making a bomb, and his case is still pending in Superior Court.
Avery could not confirm the report.
In February, that man was allegedly driving when a homemade bomb exploded, injuring his hands and torso. Police searched his home and found equipment for modifying smoke bombs and arrested him in March.
Late update: Court records show that a John Iannucci, also born in 1970, is facing charges for the illegal manufacture of bombs and explosives. His pre-trial is set for Oct. 22. He has plead not guilty to the charges.
Correction: The original story had Jessup Bollinger's name spelled incorrectly.

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TJF
October 7, 2009 4:17 PM
Maybe they were advance men for a revival production of "We Bombed in New Haven"?
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bvd
October 7, 2009 5:08 PM in reply to TJF
I think I'm the only one who got that joke. And I'm also probably the only one who actually saw the play on Broadway.
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jeffgee
October 7, 2009 5:37 PM in reply to TJF
Damn. You beat me to it!
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 10:24 AM in reply to jeffgee
Yeah. This is stuff to joke about. I'll bet you found playright Tim McVeigh funny too.
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jamesro
October 7, 2009 4:20 PM
It's time to take their guns.
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AmericanDad
October 7, 2009 4:48 PM in reply to jamesro
Um... no doubt that's the first thing the cops did upon arrest.
And um.... shouldn't we be more worried about the bombs than two shotguns? Bombs can kill lots of people very quickly and over a large area at once. Most shotguns are slow, short-range weapons that are a very poor choice if your goal is to kill lots of people.
If you're talking in broader terms -- as in take away all guns -- two observations come to mind. First, taking away all guns does nothing about bombs (or box cutters and airliners, as in 9/11). Second, there are 280 million guns in the US, 80 million of which are owned by self-described liberals. Add the number and that political mix with the gray mush of the Second Amendment and you arrive at a sum of impossibility.
The human animal's capacity for hatred, xenophobia, cruelty and murder is the problem, not the tools we use to express that capacity. (And, no, we'll never eliminate all of our tools for that task.) Treat the disease, not the symptoms.
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cawleybo
October 7, 2009 8:30 PM in reply to AmericanDad
Why aren't bombs protected by the second amendment? They're arms, aren't they? If a "well regulated militia" can mean any individual who feels like owning a gun and the "security of a free state" can mean my personal protection, why wouldn't arms include bombs?
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fitley
October 7, 2009 9:43 PM in reply to cawleybo
Why aren't bombs protected by the second amendment? They're arms, aren't they? If a "well regulated militia" can mean any individual who feels like owning a gun and the "security of a free state" can mean my personal protection, why wouldn't arms include bombs?
And I would even go one step further. Fireworks should be protected also. If I'm protecting myself, can't I "celebrate" my freedom by lobbing a big ass concussion bomb at my enemies. Especially if it's the 4th of July when I'm attacked. WIN/WIN
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AJM
October 8, 2009 8:50 AM in reply to AmericanDad
Guns are enablers.
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 10:30 AM in reply to AmericanDad
From an gun industy-front NRA spokesman who puts cliche as substitute for thought before critical faculties:
"The human animal's capacity for hatred, xenophobia, cruelty and murder is the problem, not the tools we use to express that capacity."
So, then, let's irrationally talk about irrelevancies -- deaths in motor vehicle accidents, boxcutters on 9/11, swimming pool drownings. And increase the range of tools we can use to the same ends.
Get it through your smug and self-satisfied stupidity:
If one doesn't have a gun, one can't shoot another with it.
Got that? --
It isn't ONLY the person; it is ALSO the gun.
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 11:34 AM in reply to AmericanDad
"the gray mush of the Second Amendment"
You aren't too interested in reason, so being interested in actual fact and law is clearly beyond your concern; nonetheless -- first -- this is the first draft of that which became the Second Amendment, as codified by James Madison -- show us where in it you find "gray mush" instead of clear and unequivocal intent:
"The right of the people (PLURAL, as in, "We the people"; it isn't, "We the individual," or, "I the people") to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia (NOT "individual") being the best security of a free country (NOT "individual"): but no person (INDIVIDUAL) religiously scrupulous of (AGAINST) bearing arms, shall be compelled (INVOLUNTARY) to render military service (NOT "self-defense") in person." Creating the Bill of Rights: The Documentary Record from the First Federal Congress (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins, 1991), Ed. Veit, et al., at 30.
The final clause -- beginning "but no person" and ending "in person" -- is the ONLY posited "individual right" debated as concerns that Amendment. But note that that clause was OBVIOUSLY voted down; which OBVIOUSLY means the Amendment has nothing whatever to do with "individual" ANYTHING.
As obviously: When we want to know what the AUTHORS of the Second Amendment INTENDED by that Amendment, we go to the words that came out of the mouths of those authors while they were WRITING that Amendment.
Second: the phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" -- which is FALSELY viewed by gun nuts as the ENTIRETY of the Second Amendment -- was drawn, for that Amendment, from the MILITIA clauses of four of the already-EXISTING STATE constitutions, those being:
Pennsylvania, Art. XIII
North Carolina, Art. XVII
Vermont, Art. XV
Massachusetts, Art. XVII.
Of particular interest -- if you're going to mouth off on these issues, you should have the integrity to FIRST know what the fuck you're talking about; and the gun industry-front NRA isn't going to tell you these facts -- is the Vermont constitution on this issue, which constitution "was framed by a convention which assembled at Windsor, July 2, 1777, and completed its labors July 8, 1777. . . . It was affirmed by the legislature at its sessions in 1779 and 1782, and declared to be a part of the laws of the State."*
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*The Federal and State Constitutions Colonial Charters and Other Organic Laws of the United States, Part II (Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, Second Edition, 1924), Compiled Under an Order of the United States Senate by Ben: Perley Poore, at 1857. And see 1860, 1865.
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First, the clause cited -- Chap. I, C. XV -- reads, in full:
"The people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves AND the State; and, as standing armies, in the time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
1. Note that being a constitution, and therefore LAW, the terms used are LEGAL terms.
2. Note that the "AND" is NOT "OR".
3. "State" is GOV'T -- NOT "area of land".
4. Note that everything in that clause concerns MILITARY. And as would be true in the 1791 debates of that which became the US Bill of Rights, the MILITIA was intended as the ALTERNATIVE to the "dangerous to liberty" "standing army".
And note that that cluase stipulates that the MILITARY, whether MILITIA -- which is "the people" who have the "right to bear arms for the defence of themselves AND the State" -- or "standing army," will be UNDER the "civil power" -- GOV'T/RULE OF LAW -- NOT in spite of it.
5. Note that NOTHING in that clause has anything whatever to do with "individual" anything. But -- and this underscores the fact that the Second Amendment has nothing whatever to do with "individual" ANYTHING, because they two were viewed SEAPRATELY, there is an ENTIRELY SEPARATE clause in the Vermont constitution which addresses THAT issue:
Chap. II., S. XXXIX. That the inhabitants of this State, shall have liberty to hunt and fowl, in seasonable times, on the lands they hold, and on other lands (not enclosed;) and, in like manner, to fish in all boatable and other waters, not private property, under proper regulations, to be hereafter made and provided by the General Assembly.
1. Note that there is NO authorization of, as example, "individual self-defense" -- one is authorized to "hunt and fowl," within strict limits -- or of, "defending against" GOV'T/RULE OF LAW. And note that it expressly stipulates that such rights shall be REGULATED, which REGULATION is done BY MEANS OF LAW; in other words, "gun control" REGULATION is not only constitutional -- here we have the constitution doing exactly that -- it is constitutionally STIPULATED.
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AmericanDad
October 7, 2009 4:48 PM in reply to jamesro
Um... no doubt that's the first thing the cops did upon arrest.
And um.... shouldn't we be more worried about the bombs than two shotguns? Bombs can kill lots of people very quickly and over a large area at once. Most shotguns are slow, short-range weapons that are a very poor choice if your goal is to kill lots of people.
If you're talking in broader terms -- as in take away all guns -- two observations come to mind. First, taking away all guns does nothing about bombs (or box cutters and airliners, as in 9/11). Second, there are 280 million guns in the US, 80 million of which are owned by self-described liberals. Add the number and that political mix with the gray mush of the Second Amendment and you arrive at a sum of impossibility.
The human animal's capacity for hatred, xenophobia, cruelty and murder is the problem, not the tools we use to express that capacity. (And, no, we'll never eliminate all of our tools for that task.) Treat the disease, not the symptoms.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 7, 2009 5:00 PM in reply to AmericanDad
These are absurd over-generalizations. Pipe bombs are a lot shorter range than shotguns. And if the shotguns are, say automatic or pump 12 gauge models from which the magazine plug has been removed I'd have to say they're much longer ranged and more effective instruments for killing people than a pipe bomb made with homemade explosives.
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Doctor Cleveland
October 7, 2009 5:32 PM in reply to AmericanDad
No. As Steve says, those guns are much more dangerous than the pipe bombs.
Think about Columbine. Those kids had two guns apiece, and a whole bunch of homemade bombs, but the bombs didn't kill anybody.
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jeffgee
October 7, 2009 5:42 PM in reply to Doctor Cleveland
The Columbine kids had planned to blow up tanks of propane but they didn't explode. The situation would have been much worse if they had.
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fkaZk0sm0
October 7, 2009 10:40 PM in reply to jeffgee
correct. their guns (plan b) killed more people only because their bombs (plan a) didn't work.
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 10:39 AM in reply to AmericanDad
"Americar
"Um... no doubt that's the first thing the cops did upon arrest."
You mean the cops took their guns from them?
And why would that be, smart guy?
Because they understand the reality you/gun industry-front NRA deny:
That a person WITHOUT a gun CAN'T SHOOT another with the gun he DOESN'T have.
I realize that that Philosophy 100 understanding is beyond you -- once NRA cliches are memorized as substitutes for thought one is on auto-pilot. But it isn't beyond the rest of the world that doesn't boast of being "responsible gun owners" based upon irrational bullshit -- which irrationality refutes the claim of being "responsible".
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worthy9
October 8, 2009 12:04 PM in reply to JNagarya
The sarcasm and insults aren't necessary and detract from the perception of your argument as well as the possibility of converting those who disagree.
With that said, I would respond that while, yes, guns are enablers, the fundamental issue is whether or not their availability contributes to the crime rate. There are nations with similar gun ownership rates (Canada: 27% versus US: 36.5%) but who have much, much lower instances of gun crime (Canada: 8,100 versus US: 400,000). Given this, it's hard to argue that guns themselves are the only or even the most significant cause.
For instance, the US has issues that Canada does not. The US has a much more densely populated area, greater concentrations of poverty and a higher divorce rate (yes, it seems strange but divorce is actually correlated to the violent crime rate). Guns may be a determinant but I don't believe they're as significant as some other factors based on the data.
Now don't get me wrong, assault weapons and things of that nature are unnecessary for civilians to own. There's simply no reason one can't defend yourself as well with a hunting rifle as with an AK-47 because nobody in this country legitimately needs to fend off hordes of attackers - that's what the National Guard and the military is for. Assault weapons are made for attack (assault) and not defense.
In summary, my belief is that guns in and of themselves are reasonable to own and, moreover, a legally protected right. The extreme interpretation of this right to include any weapon you damn well please doesn't hold water and is unnecessary.
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 12:37 PM in reply to worthy9
"The sarcasm and insults aren't necessary and detract from the perception of your argument as well as the possibility of converting those who disagree."
I'm not being sarcastic, asshole. And I object to the insults against Constitution and rule of law -- and reason itself -- asserted as "right," when such assertions are, without exception, not only contrary to the history -- legal and contextual -- and blatantly obvious legal authority -- but also nothing more or other than criminal rationales.
And I'm fed up with either/or simpletons, such as you, who, on no evidence whatsoever, conclude that my statement of the legal history/legal authority/law on the issue ipso facto means I'm anti-gun. Way to irrationally and irresponsibly change the subject from the issue to personal attack.
Way to claim to be a "responsible gun owner" when every fucking "reason" and excuse offered for being such is self-servingly one-sided, based upon irrational rationales, falsehood, and bullshit, every instance of which refutes the claim of being "responsible".
This is where the issue currently stands as concerns the realities, and the bipartisan mayors' research and conclusions on the issue:
There are two groups opposed to closing the gun-show loophole:
1. "Responsible gun owners," who are avowedly opposed to criminals getting guns; and,
2. Criminals, who flock to gun shows where they know they can buy guns illegally.
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worthy9
October 9, 2009 5:50 PM in reply to JNagarya
I'm sorry that you can't discuss this without insulting people but I'll refrain from responding in kind.
First of all I'm not a gun owner. Never have been. I'm not sure how that came up but here we are. Second, I was responding to your comment:
"Because they understand the reality you/gun industry-front NRA deny: That a person WITHOUT a gun CAN'T SHOOT another with the gun he DOESN'T have."
and not your legal argument which I have no qualification to either accept or refute based on my background.
What I was doing was demonstrating that the "no guns, no gun violence" argument was irrelevant because a) the link between violence and guns is tenuous at best and b) people will find another way of committing violence. That's all. I'm actually helping you out by showing you how to strengthen your argument.
I agree with you. Guns need regulation, stringent regulation. It was just the one argument of no guns, less violence that I took exception to. I hope this clears that up.
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JNagarya
October 21, 2009 11:18 AM in reply to worthy9
"the link between violence and guns is tenuous at best . . . ."
That's an absolute crock in view of the fact that the only purpose for guns is to comit violence.
As for the "argument" that there are other ways to kill beside guns? Irrelevant: the issue is guns. Moreover, it essentially says that there are other ways to kill, therfore we shouldn't have any objections to increasing the number of means to kill.
The NRA's "arguments" make no sense. And they can't be expected to make sense, becasue they are entirely one-sided and self-serving. Listen to the gun nuts who rant about a "right of self-defense" -- but who know ZERO about the fact that where there is a "right of self-defense" it is REGULATED and LIMITED by LAW.
The so-called "responsible gun owners" REFUSE to accept that fact and limitation. Thus we have avowedly "responsible gun owners" who reject the rule of law and make clear they intend to back up that rejection by use of guns. And it is that view the NRA promotes -- it's latest motto: "The man with the gun makes the rules" -- and it is a criminal rationale.
I've been dealing with these issues directly for over twenty years. It remains the fact that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is a cockamammy half-truth.
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AJM
October 8, 2009 3:40 PM in reply to worthy9
I interpret the Constitution literally and as the Framers envisioned it: you are only entitled to a muzzle-loader.
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AJM
October 8, 2009 3:37 PM in reply to AmericanDad
In Coronary Artery Disease the high cholesterol is the disease and the heart attack is the symptom. If you get a heart attack, we should skip treating the symptom by your own logic.
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ohyeathatsright
October 7, 2009 4:49 PM in reply to jamesro
Over my cold dead hands! - Heston
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Noam Sane
October 7, 2009 4:33 PM
Iannucci said he regrets what happen and that the incident was just an unfortunate accident that’s now disrupting his life and family.
“I bought fireworks in Pennsylvania last June for the 4th of July when I was there for a Christian show. I sing in a Baptist church in West Haven, solos and with the choir,” he said. “It was not a bomb. It was a hand-throwable firework.”
Iannucci admitted he altered the fireworks to make them launchable, but felt he was not doing anything illegal. He said the fireworks were in his car because he was transporting them to dispose of them.
“I threw a cigarette out the window and it came back in and somehow set one of the fireworks off,” Iannicci said.
East Haven, CT Courier, 3/5
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midnight rambler
October 7, 2009 4:39 PM in reply to Noam Sane
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eric the red
October 7, 2009 4:45 PM in reply to Noam Sane
His story seems a little less credible, now. Fireworks accident is plausible, but now a pipe bomb?
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Mr. Conspiracy
October 7, 2009 4:58 PM in reply to eric the red
Yeah, people accidentally make pipe bombs all the time. I know a guy who accidentally made nitro once. It was hilarious.
I should say, I knew a guy.
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jeffgee
October 7, 2009 5:44 PM in reply to Noam Sane
And Jesus said "Verily I say unto you, light fireworks in remembrance of me."
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 11:58 AM in reply to Noam Sane
"He said the fireworks were in his car because he was transporting them to dispose of them."
Yeah: dropping bombs from a bomber is a way to dispose of the bombs.
As is throwing a hand grenade after the pin is pulled on the theory that it can't blow up a second time.
As is setting a pipe bomb to go off at a specific place and time.
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benjoya
October 7, 2009 4:36 PM
good thing white people can't be terrorists
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 11:53 AM in reply to benjoya
They can if they're Muslim.
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zinguy
October 7, 2009 4:40 PM
Maybe they were just headed to hear the President speak while exercising their Second Amendment rights like so many people seem to be doing these days.
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LFC
October 7, 2009 4:46 PM
Just another one of Beck's Bombers? Sean's Shooters? Rush's Retards?
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The Old Grouch
October 7, 2009 5:01 PM in reply to LFC
Rushtards?
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Cool Blue Reason
October 7, 2009 4:49 PM
It sounds almost like a case of prosaic idiocy, but who knows. I would say the state should stop intervening and let these morons self-destruct, but they're likely to harm others in the process.
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cawleybo
October 7, 2009 8:36 PM in reply to Cool Blue Reason
Holy cow! Talk about your coincidence! Seriously, what are the chances that the same guy is going to have explosives thrown into his car twice in the same year?
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Michael Lafferty
October 7, 2009 5:56 PM
Shotguns or rifles? The 'notoriously reliable' [hah!] Associated Press is reporting rifles, as are other sources including local television news outlets, which—classically—rely on AP feeds for news.
So, which were they?
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fitley
October 7, 2009 7:18 PM
Some say guns are more dangerous some say bombs are more dangerous. I think Baptists with guns and bombs are the most dangerous of all.
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fitley
October 7, 2009 7:24 PM
There's one thing that's absolutely the most dangerous of all. Baptist choir members who play dress up SWAT TEAM with guns and bombs.
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AnnieW
October 7, 2009 8:07 PM
Got to agree, the fact that they had SWAT uniforms is the scary part.
You don't need that uniform to play with fireworks.
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paulw
October 7, 2009 8:32 PM
Is this national (even for TPM) news? coupla yahoos making pipe bombs and playing with fireworks should barely make the local news. I grew up in connecticut and by the time I was out of college I knew two people whose cars had been blown up and one guy who blew up an abandoned house (he joined the navy).
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cawleybo
October 7, 2009 8:39 PM
And, undoubtedly, the FBI will claim that the "tools" they have as a result of the patriot act, etc. were instrumental in foiling this ... er, plot, and this is just another example of how critical it is for them to retain the ability to subvert the fourth amendment.
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fitley
October 7, 2009 9:52 PM
With their SWAT TEAM suits on, they could have fooled the Secret Service and gotten close to the President. That is, as long as they weren't smoking at the time. Their charred uniforms and powder burned faces would have given them away. Young terrorists don't try this at home.
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barrelhse
October 7, 2009 11:04 PM
Well, there you have it. The government trampling the 2nd amendment rights of a couple of upstanding American gun owners. Death panels are next, I tell you, and socialist rap music camps.
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Heron
October 8, 2009 12:21 AM
Two guys with an explosive, guns, and police uniforms are most certainly dangerous, but I think its sort of a stretch to say this was a prez assassination attempt. The President would have to be planning to speak in that town to begin with and, even if he were, the SS isn't going to let any two random people walk up to the big cheese armed. Might they have been planning to intimidate themselves some libbies? Maybe, one can't really say from the incredibly sparse reporting available so far. It's odd that they'd have uniforms, though my question would be how'd they get their hands on those in the first place? Makes me leery of swallowing that they were actually swat uni's until I see a bit more detail on this.
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