Rove's comments are a textbook example of projection.

One thing we've learned from Fox News is that if you say something enough times, people will believe it. Maybe this will work if we keep reiterating the truth. Fox News is not news. Say it. Say it over and over.

As far as I can tell, all of the networks base their news coverage on the bottom line. Fox just happens to have found a goldmine playing to an ideological audience. Intellectually, I can see their point. It will be interesting to see how it plays out politically.

Fox opposes improved health care because less stupification from avoidable type 2 diabetes = fewer Fox viewers. It's all about the money. Their opinions are just to keep causing the damage to the human population needed to generate their flock.

Fox is not news, it's sheep-rearing. Something Murdoch no doubt learned well from his Australian ancestors. Maybe it should be given an NC 17 rating -- because what they do to unwitting Americans could be considered soft bestiality.

Fox is not news, it's porn.

TAKING THE FOX PROBLEM SERIOUSLY
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020495.php

The question isn't why the White House is treating Fox News like a partisan propaganda outlet. The questions are a) why it took so long; and b) why others aren't following the White House' lead.

The problem is the same one rhe real world faces when dealing with right wing extremists generally - merely discussing the issue tends to legitimize them

The Fair and Balanced Trap

While it is unfortunate that the WH is the one who has to finally stand
up to the lying douchers known as fox news, it has become painfully
apparent that the so called legitimate news organizations won't do it.
They have even begun picking up some of foxs slimey left-over tidbits
and re-reporting them as though they are real news.

And for karl rove to be acting all dainty and shocked, shocked I tell
you, is just rich. There is truly a twisted humor to it all.

I wish TPM wasn't giving them front page status.

Fox is lovin' this. It plays into their persecution complex, which their acolytes will adopt as their own. It's a win-win for Fox. Repeatedly tell people they're being persecuted and they get motivated.
This doesn't mean the WH shouldn't call them on it.

I think it was smart for the Obama administration to negate the "feud" meme by stating that they have no problems with Fox, and that they are only pointing out the obvious, which is that that Fox is not a news organization.

It's been surprising to see some in the media defend Fox. With Fox's penchant for selective editing, willful misleading of viewers by distorting facts, the bizarre conspiracy theories, etc., one would think that legitimate news orgs would be loathe to defend Fox.

It will be interesting to see how the media handles this, now that the administration has made it abundantly clear that they have no vendetta against Fox (even though Fox has one against them) and no desire to influence media content, but only a simple desire to point out that Fox, as an agenda-pusher, will be handled differently from legitimate news orgs.

I, for one, applaud the new efforts by The White House to re-brand Fox News (and that"News" should be in quotes) as a network for the Republican party -- more often than not, for the right-wing Republican Party. I am not saying that is run by any political party, per se. I am saying that it films, edits, writes, and broadcasts its content aimed at a specific party. And a great many of its employees are members of that party.

If the intent of a "news" organization is to write the story and then ask questions until there is proof that their assumptions or claims are false, that is not a "news" network I want to watch. I'll watch Bill O'Reilly from time to time, but he purports to be editorial opinion and not hard news. And he's entertaining because he's got so much dang anger bottled up in there.

My greatest hope is that Fox News sues the White House Press Corps for slander, and then Fox News has to come before a judge to prove that they are what they say they; wouldn't it be even more interesting to see this reach the Supreme Court and bring about a ruling that truly defines journalism. The greatest irony is that their catchphrase, "We Report, You Decide" should be "You Report, We Decide". I would have no problem with a television network aimed at conservative American ideology, but not if it purports be to a News organization.

People need to be reminded that there is more than one side to any story and should make an effort to learn more about important issues from other news media outlets, no? If I spend half as much time researching news stories as I do setting my fantasy baseball lineup, I'd be able to be a pundit -- that's basically what they do anyway. They read up on a lot of stuff, maybe know some people involved or have job experience and they are personable on camera. But I digress.

I've got it: Fox Politics.

They already have Fox Sports.

It's not even snarky. Let's all just call it Fox Politics.

I totally agree and think the WH should keep it up. I am sick of seeing Fox News on every TV in restaurants, bars, hotels,and it even plays at my gym.
I prefer my news with facts.

This is all strangely familiar to the Nixon policy of banning the Washington Post:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13393728/Nixon-No-reporter-from-the-Washington-Post-is-ever-to-be-in-the-White-House

44 needs to have someone like Tony Snow. This administration needs someone who can recognize a hard hitting journalist when they see one. So much more efficient to have one set of talking point for the day.

Shorter Karl Rove: Why won't this president stop "demeaning the office of the president" and come on "this network (that) is watched by a wide variety of open-minded independents and Democrats who want to hear the news" from a completely fair and balanced source?

Rove poops in his hand with the blather about how all kinds of unbiased people choose Fox as a balanced source of "news", then in the next breath smears the poop all over the president by talking about how he's "demeaning the office" because he refuses to go on air with people who intend to smear poop all over him.

Dishonesty on this scale is truly breathtaking.

This fight is one the Obama administration can only lose if it quits, lets up, or apologizes for.

Feaux is not that popular!

Being "the #1 cable news network" simply means that they are the source of choice for the dead-enders who worship Bachman, Palin and that ilk - 20 to 25% of the public at large. They have definitely blown away the competition for the wingnut eyeball. So what?

These are people who largely believe Obama is the antichrist; reason will affect them not in the least. It is important, however, to discredit Fox as a source of reliable fact. Were I in charge of media relations at the WH, I would relentlessly pound them on every provable lie - with some really juicy examples from the recent past - and then hit them on every future distortion.

I remember the excoriation Dan Rather received for one story where he was given bad information that was revealed suspiciously quickly to be demonstrably wrong. Had CBS hunkered down behind him he'd still be there. FOX is different, though more egregious misinformation is routinely broadcast. It does not police itself with regard to what's correct or morally appropriate, it's only regard is what's right for the Republican party.

Rove and Wallace are, how should i put it, dickii.

This is part of a continuing (and brilliant) strategy by Obama's political team to define their opponents. They made Limbaugh, Palin, Hannity & Beck the voices and faces of the Republican party. They are defining Republicanism as the Party of No, Birthers and Teabaggers, the pro-torture, pro-rape party of death panels. On this kind of stuff, Obama cannot be matched. Rove must be quite frightened.

Waaaaaahhh! Do the liddle Fox propagandists need a bottle?

FOX already is the only "news" channel run by a partisan political operative. Great idea putting Karl Rove on the air to counter the administration's criticism!

I am so glad the WH is taking on Fox! I am so glad they are being openly called out. Fox is not a news channel. I like this WH strategy. And it is getting under Fox's skin. They are finally being openly exposed for what they are, which is NOT a news station.