Right-wing pundit and neo-conservative think tank head Frank Gaffney had some very strong words against the more dovish Ron Reagan, the liberal son of the late President Ronald Reagan, during a heated argument over Afghanistan on Hardball.
"Your father would be ashamed of you," Gaffney said.
"Oh Frank," Reagan replied, "you better watch your mouth about that, Frank."
When Chris Matthews cut to the commercial break, Reagan said: "I'll see ya later, Frank."

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tobyv29
October 22, 2009 6:42 PM
I hope Ron Reagan punches that stupid idiot Gaffney right in his fkn face. How dare he say something like that. People like Frank Gaffney are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people all over the world and should be treated like mass murderers. Ron Reagan is a thoughtful commentator who never goes after people personally.
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rbeats
October 22, 2009 6:44 PM
Actually the money quote is when Matthews states that the closest thing that we have to the Taliban here in America is the religious right.
Surprised he let that one go on the air.
Of course their ideologies are almost identical, and their end game is the same, maybe minus blowing up Buddhist status, but whenever anyone brings that up in public they are screamed at as being intolerant.
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charlie8080
October 22, 2009 6:50 PM in reply to rbeats
They both love torture, and they both seem to believe that women are second-class citizens.
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DaddyD
October 22, 2009 8:29 PM in reply to rbeats
2nd... he's just repeating what the rest of us have known for decades. Truth hurts, Frank.
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goethean
October 22, 2009 6:46 PM
Why is Matthews having neanderthals on his show in the first place?
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charlie8080
October 22, 2009 6:49 PM
I voted for Reagan back in the 1980's. I am no longer a Republican. I can't even recognize the party I voted for. And I bet Ronald Reagan couldn't either.
I didn't the leave the party. It left me (and Ronald Reagan). It is people like Gaffney who have hijacked the party and essentially ruined it.
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pv2k
October 22, 2009 7:16 PM in reply to charlie8080
Well charlie I didn't vote for Reagan and opted to vote for Anderson instead. I have regretted that vote ever since. I should have voted for Carter.
This element, the neocons, of which you now complain, is the same group who helped Reagan get elected in the first instance. Don't forget Frank Gaffney worked under Richard Perle in the Department of Defense, once Ronald Reagan was elected.
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Overreach THIS!
October 22, 2009 7:33 PM in reply to pv2k
I haven't read "Tear Down This Myth," but what we really have a whole country fantasizing about what kind of President Reagan must have been (wasn't it he who tossed a stone over the Rapahannock, and what was it about the cherry tree)?
We have a record, though, that shows he had freaks like James Watt, Gaffney, and a whole coterie of right wing loonies working for him. It wasn't that long ago.
Having said that, I would should Ron Reagan all the respect and good will he is due. And I do agree that Ron Reagan should beat Gaffney to a pulp.
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lousgirl84
October 22, 2009 8:25 PM in reply to pv2k
In my opinion, Ronald Reagan was responsible for the end of democracy as we know it. Check it out - the facts are all out there.
He was a puppet and a tool and a fricking dummy. His handlers used him well to do their bidding. Ron (his son) is a fine human being and knows his father better than anyone and while he loved his father (as most of us do) he disagreed with everything about him politically and feels bad for the damage caused by him and his ilk.
Gaffney is one of THE MOST DESPICABLE of all the neocons. If I found out tomorrow that someone offed his ass, I would celebrate. Yeah I would and I dont feel badly saying it either.
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BeeClone
October 22, 2009 11:31 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I don't wish him harm, but I would love for him to STFU and that goes for Dick too.
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FightTheFascism
October 22, 2009 11:44 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Most probably don't know this, but there was a time when Ronald Reagan sounded like his progressive son:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJDhS4oUm0M
- FTF
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TheRealFish
October 23, 2009 7:16 AM in reply to FightTheFascism
Yup. Reagan was once a member of the Democratic Party (back about the time he was also president of the freakin' Screen Actors Guild — you know, a union).
Of course, he was also the voice and personality behind a little vinyl record Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medecine in 1961 and switched to the Republican Party in in 1962. That record, fighting against the evils of what later passed into law as Medicare, used all the same language we hear today about HCR (except "Death Panels" maybe — though it promised folks would die from such a method of health care delivery). You know, end of American Life As We Know It, blah dee blah dee blah.
Nanorich, Max Thrax and others here are very correct: Reagan was either the spearhead or figurehead (take your pick) of an actual, honest-to-frak revolution in this country. The phrase "Reagan Revolution" is neither some cutesy name, nor something about which to feel proud (as most neos do). It's coldly descriptive of an American revolution that cemented-into-fact a reshaping of how this government works (or, actually, doesn't). The US has been flirting with being what some poli-sci types refer to as a "corporatocracy" since maybe the late 1800s; expansion into the West, lumber and gold and oil and railroad barons and their ilk wresting control over US Congress and presidencies and all that.
However, it was Reagan and all his corporo-fascists like Gaffney and Watt and Pearle along with this new Voodoo Economics trickle-down theory crap that sealed the deal. Today, the US government has primarily outsourced things to private industry that would have completely shocked the founders and would have made Teddy Roosevelt's head explode. The military, all of the government's control over data and on and on.
Remember that thing during the primaries, when Obama and then Hillary and McCain's passport info was snooped into by private contractors? Know what those contractors did? They were for-hire IT companies that juggle the whole information infrastructure for Congress, the military, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, White House... . How good do we all feel about that?
I wish I made that last part up or it was a result of not taking meds. However, I work in IT. I remember, at the time, thinking WTF: How could private contractors even have access to such info? So I went to the web sites for the two companies the various snoops worked for (The Analysis Corporation and Stanley, Inc.).
I provide those two links just on the off-chance somebody figures I wear a tin-foil hat. If you didn't click-through, they lead to both companies' "customers" page. Today's list is slightly pared down from what it was back in 08 — but not much.
This post is already way too long, so I won't go into a ton of extra ranting about how simply f*cking crazy it is to have everything the government knows and everything the government does be filtered through the hands of private contractors who are only loosely loyal to their "customer" and certainly less answerable to oversight. It's a small nightmare, and just one more example of how our government became successfully outsourced under Reagan's guiding hand.
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TheRealFish
October 23, 2009 7:22 AM in reply to TheRealFish
I gave the wrong, more superficial, link to Stanley, Inc. in the above WALL OF TEXT (sorry) comment. Here's the one that is the real money shot for them.
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nanorich
October 22, 2009 7:32 PM in reply to charlie8080
Charlie,
Reagan made the Republican Party what it is.
And he did it on purpose.
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Max Thrax
October 22, 2009 8:07 PM in reply to charlie8080
Anyone who voted for Reagan is partly responsible for the predicament this country is in. Sorry, but it's true. Carter laid out some of the challenges this country faced in his much maligned 'Malaise' speech, Reagan offered us a parade instead. The Vietnam War bankrupted this country and forced us off the gold standard and instead of dealing with these issues, we went shopping for 30 years. For 30 years our economy was based on false demand created by cheap credit which is now over. It's gonna get ugly people.
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lousgirl84
October 22, 2009 8:26 PM in reply to charlie8080
With all due respect charlie 8080, Your opinion of Ronald Reagan is much too high. Read more about who he really was.
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Saladin
October 22, 2009 9:13 PM in reply to charlie8080
Yeah, I mean Reagan high tailed it out of Beirut. He knew better then to get in messes you can't win. Still I hate the guy for the whole trickle down bs.
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nanorich
October 22, 2009 9:32 PM in reply to Saladin
But but but, he invaded Grenada!!
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markg8
October 22, 2009 9:43 PM in reply to Saladin
Yeah Reagan hightailed it out of Beirut after 278 American marines died in the barracks bombing. Bin Laden used that for years when talking about what paper tigers we were. When Hezbollah captured and tortured to death a CIA agent in Beirut Casey, Reagan's CIA chief killed 90 worshippers leaving a mosque after Friday prayers with a car bomb in an attempt to murder a cleric who wasn't even there.
We had a $990 billion nat'l. debt when Carter left office. Reagan put us on the path to bankruptcy with his supply side trickle down economics. 1% of this country owns 90% of it's wealth.
Letting these guys anywhere near the halls of power was a mistake that could only be outdone by ever letting them in again.
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Donald from Hawaii
October 23, 2009 5:01 AM in reply to charlie8080
Two words: Iran-Contra.
Reagan may well have been a nice, personable guy, but he bears responsibility for having brought these people in with him.
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SOS ICEBERG
October 23, 2009 9:56 AM in reply to Donald from Hawaii
Two more words: AIDS epidemic. Through his infantile bigoted homophobia, Reagan let the outbreak rampage for years. The consequences of his negligence were genocidal.
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lousgirl84
October 23, 2009 10:09 AM in reply to SOS ICEBERG
Yes, let us not forget that part of Reagan's history.
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Court Jester
October 23, 2009 1:20 PM in reply to Donald from Hawaii
I've always wondered at what point Reagan stopped being aware of, or perhaps just caring about, what went on in his name.
It's pretty clear that in Reagan's second term, VP Bush was running increasing amounts of the day-to-day stuff. There is even some speculation that the assassination attempt marked the beginning of Reagan ceding much of his control over to others.
He was a great figurehead, and may have been a nice person, but he sure wasn't an active participant in his own White House. Maybe he realized it was just another audition for just another role.
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theone718
October 22, 2009 6:49 PM
Reall classy, if I see Frank Gaffney he is food for the sharks
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hewhohasnoname
October 22, 2009 6:54 PM
Wow. That was a despicably low blow.
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CT Voter
October 22, 2009 7:10 PM
I'd say Gaffney should be ashamed of himself, but what would be the point? Republicans apparently have no shame anymore. They've gotten so ugly.
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jessemac
October 22, 2009 7:17 PM
I know it's stylish to remember ronald Reagan fondly but there is a reason people like Rush, Gaffney et al deify him. He was the start of the mess we are in. He spear headed all the de regulation, set out to destroy unions (and succeeded), implemented the Ayn Randian Chicago school of economics "trickle down" if we can just make the rich richer and let corporations do what they want we'll all be so much better off. Billions and billions for 1% while the working and middle classes sink. Millions in prison for smoking or selling weed as "law and order" get tough defense spearheaded by people who wouldn't serve (chicken hawks). Ron Jr has a lot of guts and his sister too to be willing to speak out against that legacy. Gaffney and his ilk should be ashamed and shut the f up
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RAGGEDT
October 22, 2009 7:32 PM in reply to jessemac
You're generally correct, however, deregulation actually started under Carter -- air travel, trucking, etc. Reagan definitely accelerated though.
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dragnet
October 22, 2009 7:22 PM
Wow. No fan of President Reagan here. But if I was Ron, I would personally deliver Gaffney the beatdown of his life.
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Redshift
October 22, 2009 7:23 PM
The list of Republicans whose non-wingnut parents could as easily be declared (posthumously, of course) to be 'ashamed of them' is extremely long.
Hell, I bet the young (Democratic) Ronald Reagan would be ashamed of the older version...
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shooter242
October 22, 2009 7:28 PM
Gosh, all this violence and wishing of death for something said! I thought you lefties were in favor of free speech and diversity of opinion. Guess not.
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lousgirl84
October 22, 2009 8:30 PM in reply to shooter242
Go back under the rock you crawled out from under Shooter, or go back to the freeper sites where I am sure they care about what you have to say.
Some people would be better off dead and Gaffney is one of them.
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shooter242
October 22, 2009 11:18 PM in reply to lousgirl84
So you think death is an appropriate response for speech you disagree with?
Keep up the good work. This thread is getting bookmarked for a classic demonstration of how the left is unhinged with hate.
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Egypt Steve
October 23, 2009 10:41 AM in reply to shooter242
Bah. waiving blog discussion threads around as evidence of anything is ludicrous. You want unhinged hate? Try abducting an innocent man off the street, chaining them up in an airplane hanger, and beating his legs with iron rods until he dies. That's George Bush and his sadistic crew's "enhanced interrogation." And it's only one example among thousands.
Find an example of that on the American left and I'll concede your point, you slobbering troll.
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OrionPax
October 23, 2009 10:59 AM in reply to shooter242
I know.. don't feed the trolls, but...
The death threats against Obama are 400% higher than Bush.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/new-report-find-secret-service-overwhelmed-by-increased-threats.php?ref=fpblg
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Court Jester
October 23, 2009 1:45 PM in reply to shooter242
No, it's the right that wants to punish people for free speech. The hatred of Gaffney is for what he has done.
I mean, when even Grover Norquist calls you a "sick, little bigot", you know there's a problem.
Given the carnage that he and fellow PNAC'ers have spawned, and the fact that even after acknowledging the (then) 4000 US casualties he told Chris Mathews on Hardball that
If Gaffney was just a drooling troll like yourself, it would be easy to dismiss and ignore his speech. Unfortunately for the US and the world, he had too much influence at the wrong time. He should be held accountable for the results of his words and his actions.
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BlindBat
October 22, 2009 8:34 PM in reply to shooter242
Free speech, diversity of opinion is one thing. Saying something like that to any son of any father gets the reaction it deserves - - which is free speech, as well, shootster.
I hope Ron meets up with him and kicks his ass - - or something else, Harry S Truman style.
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Kuyleh
October 22, 2009 11:18 PM in reply to BlindBat
Shooter only recognizes the the rules when they apply to him and those that agree with him. Don't waste your time doing anything but insulting him for the pathetic, delusional troll he is.
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Kiweagle
October 22, 2009 7:30 PM
Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) for anyone - left or right - when on the defensive because of a losing argument is to attack their superior opponent personally.
It is precisely the same technique lawyers use against a witness on the stand that is devastating to their case: discredit their reputation in the hope those listening will ignore their damning testimony, e.g. "She's had consensual sex before, so of course she wasn't raped."
One hopes (prays) that the audience recognizes what the technique says about the idiot using it so that the purpose of doing so boomerangs back on them.
As for Mathews, one wonders if he knows just how much of the interview flies over his head while he's constantly interrupting or talking over his guests. I personally find his style unwatchable.
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whenpigsfly
October 22, 2009 7:41 PM in reply to Kiweagle
"As for Mathews, one wonders if he knows just how much of the interview flies over his head while he's constantly interrupting or talking over his guests. I personally find his style unwatchable"
Quote of the Day...agree 100%
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rumpole
October 22, 2009 7:55 PM in reply to whenpigsfly
Disagree-watch his face. He lives for this.
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lousgirl84
October 22, 2009 8:34 PM in reply to whenpigsfly
Me too. I can't watch him. He spits all over his guests. Yuck
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slb
October 23, 2009 3:01 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I, too, find that show unwatchable. Drives me crazy when the host allows the guests to talk over one another, and Matthews makes it worse by joining in himself. Plus, he asks guests a question and much of the time, before they can get even two words out, he's blathering on about what he thinks.
Jon Stewart could teach Tweetie Bird (and most of the rest of the broadcast media) a thing or two about being a good interviewer. Sure he's a comedian, but he doesn't let his guests get away with BS, and he manages to do it without talking over them. Of course, he's helped in that by being a comedian, because that means that he's allowed to defuse any tense situation that develops by making a joke.
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Leftflank
October 22, 2009 9:40 PM in reply to Kiweagle
There it is, good call. Mainly on the Matthews comment, for me.
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Maritza
October 22, 2009 7:37 PM
I am REALLY shocked that he went there. He made it personal when he should NEVER have done that.
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lousgirl84
October 22, 2009 8:36 PM in reply to Maritza
Apparently you don't know much about Gaffney. This is his MO. He is one of the most despicable people I have ever listened to.
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lyleleander
October 22, 2009 7:53 PM
Gaffney looks like he's about Vietnam vet age. Let me guess... other priorities.
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GillesDeleuze
October 23, 2009 10:30 AM in reply to lyleleander
Gaffney nevered served in the military and requested several deferments due to a cyst and skin rash on his rear.
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Common Sense Caucus
October 22, 2009 7:54 PM
Hopefully there are not thinking people still surprised at what the right says and does. They deny people their basic rights concerning marriage, are infested with bigots, and have no social filter whatsoever. Old white men in Washington and on t.v. long after their time. Patience, the world will correct itself, a new generation is taking the helm.
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Reefdancer
October 23, 2009 10:54 AM in reply to Common Sense Caucus
When the Wingnuts have no argument, they resort to personal attacks. I find this to be so true on other message boards I frequent where the wingnuts will insult anyone who doesn't agree with them, attacking their military service, looks, sexual orientation...anything but the facts at hand. Gaffney demonstrated that fully. I like Matthews when he shuts up and lets his guests talk. I think he thanked Gaffney at the end because he was a guest and maybe he wants him to come back. Also, they were running out of time so he couldn't really call Gaffney on his stupid remark.
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proobama
October 22, 2009 8:00 PM
I'm so glad I found a place to comment on Gaffney's horrific comment to Reagan. I tried to email Hardball but couldn't find how...yeah, I'm a newbie at this stuff. But Gaffney's crack was one of THE WORST I've heard, and I'm an MSNBC junkie. Anyone wondering why Matthews didn't chew him up for that? He actually thanked Gaffney at the end. I thought Matthews loved a fight and should have eviscerated Gaffney for resorting to such a low blow - CLEARLY the mark of a twit with no valid point to make.
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lousgirl84
October 22, 2009 8:31 PM in reply to proobama
You can't email hardball anymore. Matthews can't accept criticism.
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lousgirl84
October 22, 2009 8:33 PM in reply to proobama
Matthews is so strident and really a very conflicted guy on any given day. He knows how Washington works because he worked there but his republican roots surface every once in a while. He is also trying to get his ratings up to where Keith and Rachel are and it ain't happening.
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loria
October 23, 2009 9:04 AM in reply to proobama
I couldn't even hear what the three were talking about, with all of the shouting. That was the worst segment I have seen on TV for a long time. I completely missed the comment made by Gaffney. I kept wondering when Chris was going to jump in get Gaffney to shut up and let Ron speak, but he just talked over everyone. Another show on my long list of shows I can't watch.
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Kiweagle
October 22, 2009 8:09 PM
Beware the sweeping generalization that comes with lumping all of those people who vote Republican in with the embarrassing display put on by those who claim to represent them. It risks making you look as ignorant as those you profess to despise.
For instance, one could forgive someone who watches Fox News/ Cable 24/7 for being hopelessly misinformed. Though forgiving them for relying entirely on anything produced by Fox is debatable...
TPM has my sincere empathy and respect for the torture involved in watching them to see what the GOP thinks about any given subject.
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proobama
October 22, 2009 8:34 PM
Thank you, lousgirl8. How unfortunate. I was so irate, I tried to channel my inner-Olbermann and email his show because I think Gaffney is the undisputed winner of Worst Persons, but his "email our show" link doesn't work, either. Sheesh! I'm on THEIR side, for cryin' out loud!
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tmccarthy0
October 22, 2009 8:38 PM
Frank Gaffeny, keepin it classy....
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Captain Scarlet
October 22, 2009 9:03 PM
"I'll see you later, Frank."
Classic. I'd love to see Ron Reagan (an actual athlete) knock Frank Gaffney's chicklet teeth right out of his mouth.
Typical GOP coward. Talks big only on TV.
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tmccarthy0
October 22, 2009 9:08 PM in reply to Captain Scarlet
Chicklet teeth, awesome....
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Captain Scarlet
October 22, 2009 9:04 PM
"I'll see you later, Frank."
Classic. I'd love to see Ron Reagan (an actual athlete) knock Frank Gaffney's chicklet teeth right out of his mouth.
Typical GOP coward. Talks big only on TV.
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atticus1104
October 22, 2009 9:35 PM
Gaffney is a douche!!! Here is a great article on the prosecution of the war in Afghanistan.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=3231
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shooter242
October 22, 2009 10:30 PM
Oh yeah, let the hate flow. The hate will make you strong.
Keep up the good work.
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cinesimon
October 23, 2009 12:48 AM in reply to shooter242
That's right Shooter: our intolerance of a man who has no respect for humanity, who believes Muslims aren't even humans - and has said many times he'd rather see them all nuked - is hate.
Grow up, Shooter. If you believe Gafney deserves respect, then you're either hugely ignorant(no surprise there); or you share his despicable convictions(no surprise either).
Would you think it uncool to show this much hate toward a mass murderer like Idi Amin or Adolf Hitler? Gafney is that kind of a monster. He deserves nothing but hate thrown at him.
And if you consider this to be unreasonable, then you, too, are supporting the ideals that this monster stands for: kill all 1.5 billion Muslims, as they are non-humans who want to take over the world. You and he are no better than the Nazis who spread lies and hate about the Jews, using exactly the same rhetoric that Gafney uses against Muslims. He is a walking, talking, slithering 'protocols of the elders of zion' Muslim-edition.
I, and any civilized person who wishes peace, prosperity and plurality on earth for all, am massively intolerant of anyone who wishes death on millions of people, for no other reason than cultural differences.
Shooter, it is you and your ilk who are the monstrous, hate filled wannabe mass murderers who deserve no respect.
You celebrate the deaths of anyone who'd not a white christian, it seems - and scream blue murder when one of your own is verbally skewered.
Poor, poor you. How sad that you feel the need to play victim, when it's your lot who have created more victims than anyone since WW2. Yet you still believe you actually deserve respect, and ought to be heard.
Shame on you, and all who think and behave like you, Shooter.
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docrocktex
October 23, 2009 10:21 AM in reply to cinesimon
Right on!!!!!!!!!
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Leftflank
October 22, 2009 10:39 PM
Gaffney is so sure of himself, smirking at everyone else, condescending to all. He doesn't see any other point of view & talks in absolutes.
He is wrong, he is a dinosaur frozen in time, he is a neo-con warmonger, but he left nothing to the imagination by disrespecting Ron Reagan like he did on TV. He is a pure pig.
As far as Chris Matthews goes, he has Pat Buchannan on almost daily & that's all you need to know.
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bluesplashy
October 22, 2009 10:44 PM
I am sitting here just amazed that anyone for any reason at anytime would say that to someone they were having a discussion (debate?) with, let alone on TV. I mean, isn't that something your demented spinster great aunt hisses at you when she is in her cups and then everyone busts out laughing at her? I am not familiar with this Gaffney bird but I now know all I'll ever need to know about him - dumb as dirt and lower than a snake belly.
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slb
October 23, 2009 3:08 PM in reply to bluesplashy
I mean, isn't that something your demented spinster great aunt hisses at you when she is in her cups and then everyone busts out laughing at her?
LOL!! I'm picturing Gaffney decked out as Jonathan Winters's Aunt Blabby.
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slb
October 23, 2009 3:17 PM in reply to slb
Ooops, my memory is slipping. Aunt Blabby was Johnny Carson's character; the Jonathan Winters character I'm thinking of was Maudie Frickett. Either one would do nicely!
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Joe
October 22, 2009 11:17 PM
Gaffney is just the lowest kind of slime.
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BeeClone
October 22, 2009 11:53 PM in reply to Joe
Ding, Ding we have a winner, well put!
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GregorZap
October 23, 2009 2:14 AM
This is the pinnacle of arrogance, to suggest that one knows one's father better then the son. It is an utterly disgusting comment to make, in any regard. He is a truly despicable man.
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Donald from Hawaii
October 23, 2009 4:57 AM
Frank Gaffney exemplifies the rank immaturity of today's GOP. What a truly cold, rude and disgusting thing to say to someone, regardless of the expressed political differences. Clearly, the guy is too enthralled with the view to notice that his head's up his own ass.
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Brothajohn
October 23, 2009 8:26 AM
Gaffney is lucky Ron is not a Southerner. About the only time you can get away with a line like that is when person is convicted of a crime. An actual orange-jumpsuit,cuffs and leg-irons, drag you away to prison for a long long time CRIME. Ron is a stand-up guy who stood up to his father and sticks to his beliefs be they ultimately right or wrong and that is definitely something his father would be proud of, regardless of the position and regardless of what one's opinion of the late president is. Gaffney is a hardcore neocon who elevates Reagan to the status of Demi-god, so he must be blinded by his fanatacism. I just wish Ron was from Virginia or Georgia or Kentucky or something and would just walk up to Gaffney and knock him the f( out. He deserves it.
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Egypt Steve
October 23, 2009 9:59 AM
Every one of the noxious weeds that grew out of control in George Bush's Amerika sprouted from a poison seed planted during the Ray-gun administration. That's just a fact.
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docrocktex
October 23, 2009 10:25 AM in reply to Egypt Steve
exactly right
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slb
October 23, 2009 3:21 PM in reply to Egypt Steve
Well, I dunno, some (like Karl Rove) go back to the Nixon Administration, or even back to Karl Rove's own College Republicans.
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NuttyProf
October 23, 2009 10:08 AM
Cheney, Gaffney, and the neocons
...they are already celebrating their rise from the ashes of defeat. They are coalescing their base as we whine and curse about how awful they are.
History tells us that it is not over for them.
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jenesq
October 23, 2009 11:04 AM in reply to NuttyProf
Yeah...no. Getting to be on a cable talk show is not "rising from the ashes of defeat." It's more "hey, we need a crazy neocon to make for some good tv that will get reported in other media outlets, let's call Cheney (Dick or Liz) or Gaffney."
Their "base" is the 15% batshit crazy mouthbreathers, which will not win elections or form part of a powerful coalition. Even Republicans are getting sick of war...it costs too much, and God forbid they pay more taxes to fund their little expeditions.
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Sojourn
October 23, 2009 3:29 PM
Way to GO FRANK! Ron jr. is PUNK not a Pundit. That's why his family did not want him around. Ronald sr and Nancy did not want him around because he was a flake. Ron jr. sound's like a rebellion son trying to still get DADDY'S Attention.
Won't happen Ron jr. Your too late. Ron sr. has past away.
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Sojourn
October 23, 2009 3:40 PM
What dumb minds listen to Ronny JR. He does not know what he is saying. He Just spumes quotes with no solid facts.
Just talk , NO BRAINS.
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cinesimon
October 23, 2009 7:51 PM in reply to Sojourn
Way to project your own issues onto others, Sojourn.
Grow up you sad little simpleton.
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