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Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales got the Joe Wilson special last night.

Gonzales was speaking to students at the University of Tennessee at Martin, when someone busted out the same line Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) heckled President Obama with during a speech to a joint session of Congress in September.

The local Pacer reports:

At one point, Gonzales referred to America's war on terrorism.

"President Wilson and Roosevelt engaged in massive collections of electronic communications during the first and second world war," Gonzales said. "The collection performed by President Bush was much more narrow."

At this moment, a student in the crowd interjected with: "You lie!" After some quiet applause the speech continued.

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October 28, 2009 2:54 PM   

Well of course he was lying; his mouth was moving, wasn't it?

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October 28, 2009 3:04 PM    in reply to Publishermike

yes it was!

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October 28, 2009 3:06 PM   

Let me get this straight: Presidents Wilson and Roosevelt Administrations engaged in a wider collection of electronic communications than did President Bush's Administration? Let me see: During the Wilson Administration (1913-1921) the electronic media consisted of very few telephones and the telegraph. Not much improvement in during the Roosevelt Administration (1933-1945) with the exception of more telephones, more telegraph lines and radio. Wow: obviously the wider-net statement doesn't really hold up under any amount of scrutiny. He does lie!

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October 28, 2009 5:44 PM    in reply to Just Ben

I had the same reaction Electronic communications jumped right out at me. What a joke he is.

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October 28, 2009 3:06 PM   

I guess we could quibble about Wilson's actions in WWI: he nationalized the phone and radio companies. Bushco didn't nationalize them: if they didn't go along with TSP then the president of the telco could land in jail (see Qwest). I call that nationalization by stealth.

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October 28, 2009 4:13 PM    in reply to sailmaker

it was de facto nationalization.

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October 28, 2009 4:23 PM    in reply to sailmaker

There were no radio companies during WWI. The military needed mass production of radio for field usage in the war. By virtue of that need, the government midwived the birth of the US radio industry. RCA was created as a radio trust under GE in 1919 by Gen Sarnoff. The first radio station, KDKA in Pittsburgh, was launched in 1920.

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October 28, 2009 3:12 PM   

As much as I agree that Gonzales is a liar, I suppose that we should expect public dialogue to continue down this free-for-all path.

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October 28, 2009 3:22 PM   

Yeah they had AWESOME "electronic communications" to collect in WW1. Morse code??

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October 28, 2009 3:27 PM   

What?????????

Where did he get his degree??? How did he graduate???? Basic facts of history...oh, right. Lies...all lies

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October 28, 2009 5:28 PM    in reply to randomname

Believe it or not, Harvard.

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October 28, 2009 3:31 PM   

Why any institution of higher learning would allow a bag of cr*p like gonzo to set foot on its campus, let alone speak to students, is just mind boggling.

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October 28, 2009 3:47 PM   

There is probably some very narrow way that Gonzales' words are true, like the WWI and WWII searches had broad parameters.

But the wankery is just overwhelming. They were searching every bit of the Internet that comes through the United States. Even the super-secret rubberstamp FISA court was giving them pushback. Save us from public officials who shelve our civil liberties to protect them.

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October 28, 2009 3:53 PM   

Even if what Gonzales said was fundamentally true, "massive" and "narrow" do not involve different statuses of the same comparator. An information quest can be both "massive" and "narrow," the former referring to the extent of the request and the latter referring to the scope of the request. Thus, Gonzales is being stupid, disingenuous (in making a non-comparing comparison - sorta like a non-denial denial?), or both.

More to the point, the laws that Bush was subject to and was duty-bound to uphold are quite different than the laws that Roosevelt and Wilson were bound by, excluding any constitutional considerations and current views of that document.

Finally, Gonzales casually (and dishonestly) leaves out "domestic" in making the false comparison, not to mention that no matter how massive Roosevelt's and Wilson's collection efforts were, there mere expansion of electronic data and the number of people engaged in electronic transmissions makes his statement patently false in all respects, no matter how he could or has structured it.

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October 28, 2009 5:11 PM   

Other than the compulsive lying, though, you gotta admit that "three wrongs make a right" is a pretty good argument for the former US Attorney General.

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October 28, 2009 5:22 PM    in reply to Winston Smith

The other thing that Gonzo conveniently fails to mention is this: it wasn't until 1968 that the Supreme Court found wiretapping to violate the Fourth Amendment. Indeed, in the Olmstead case (1928) the Court had previously found that wiretapping did not violate the Constitution.

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October 28, 2009 5:12 PM   

Well, at least he dropped Presidents Washington and Lincoln from the list of Presidents that have conducted the widespread electronic surveillance. I am not kidding. At one point he actually told a Senate committee that Washington and Lincoln did this too. Here's the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MWC0rj4DTQ

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October 28, 2009 5:59 PM   

When testifying before congress, Gonzo can't seem to recall what he had for breakfast. Yet somehow he knows what happened in WW-I and WW-II, before he was born.

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October 28, 2009 6:42 PM    in reply to kevbo

Well, to be fair he doesn't seem to be able to accurately recall what happened then, either.

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October 28, 2009 9:55 PM   

It's true. He accused Washington and Lincoln of electronic spying. Washington must have had help from Franklin with his kite and key. The only war time president not accused by Gonzo of electronic spying is James K. Polk in the Mexican War.

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