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Much has been made today of the fact that the nomination deadline for the Nobel Peace Prize is Feb. 1 -- just 12 days after President Obama took office.

But the winner isn't selected until much later, usually around mid-September. The Norwegian Nobel Committee, made up of five members appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, makes the decision. Here's the process, according to the committee's web site:

Nominators -- including members of governments, university professors, past Nobel laureates and members of the International Court of Justice -- must make their picks to the committee by Feb. 1. The committee usually receives between 150 and 200 nominations for the Peace Prize, but this year they received a record 205 nominations.

The committee then holds its first meeting,when members can add their own nominees to the list. They then narrow the list down to between five and 20 candidates.

Those candidates are then reviewed by the Nobel Institute's director, research director and a team of advisers, usually university professors. Those advisers draw up reports on each candidate, a process that takes a few months, and present those reports to the committee.

And then the committee "embarks on a thorough-going discussion of the most likely candidates." They sometimes request more information, especially when, like Obama, candidates are involved in current affairs. The committee usually makes its decision by mid-September, but has been known to take until the final meeting in early October.

The decisions are almost always unanimous. But when committee members can't get a consensus, they use a simple majority vote to determine the winner.

So while Obama was indeed nominated less than two weeks after becoming President, the decision was made several months later. We won't know who nominated him, however, unless that person (or people -- thousands of nominators have been known to gather behind one candidate) comes forward. The committee keeps details of nominations secret for 50 years.

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October 9, 2009 6:43 PM   

Isn't this an exercise in futility? It matters not a whit what you say or do or explain or what Obama does. He could find a cure for breast cancer and they would complain since he has girls he didn't find a cure for prostate cancer. You are shoveling shit against the tide trying to reason with or convince those that want neither. They just want to rant against anything Obama, Reid, Pelosi or any other prominent Democrats with ideas. Hell, they paint Obama as Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and a Witch Doctor! Do you honestly think an explanation of the inner workings of the Nobel Committee makes any difference to these cretins?

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October 9, 2009 8:25 PM    in reply to nellieh

Yes, it matters. Information matters. The truth matters. Words matter.

These things may not matter to the ignorant, the ideologues, the racists, the 'murican exceptionalists, the secessionists, the tea baggers, or Michael Steele.

But fuck those people. They don't own the truth. They don't own the facts. They don't own reality. And we are not obligated to cater to them. Knowledge is still power.

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October 11, 2009 9:30 AM    in reply to ondioline

Precisely! Well said.

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October 9, 2009 7:02 PM   

For the record if you look it up EVER PRESIDENT has been nominated that way

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October 9, 2009 7:06 PM   

The audience that matters are not the crazies that make unfounded accusations; the audience that matters are the moderates and independants who migh think there was a point if the accusations are not met and defeated with facts.

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October 9, 2009 7:07 PM    in reply to condew

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October 9, 2009 7:16 PM    in reply to condew

I agree. There are so many easy commenting systems out there I wish TPM would upgrade.

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October 9, 2009 7:18 PM    in reply to condew

AMEN!!!!!

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October 9, 2009 8:14 PM    in reply to condew

Double amen. The authentication system here is a nightmare.

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October 9, 2009 8:35 PM    in reply to jfields

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October 10, 2009 12:41 AM    in reply to condew

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October 10, 2009 4:21 AM    in reply to condew

And I will add my "Amen!" to the chorus.

It especially annoys me that after you have gone through the login dance and click the link that says "Return to original page," you don't get returned to the page from which you were forced to logon, but the general page for whatever portion of talkingpointmemo.com you happened to have been in. And you have to find your own way back to where you were. I know of no other site with comments that does this.

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October 12, 2009 12:29 PM    in reply to slb

Yes. Cannot be said enough.

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October 10, 2009 11:53 AM    in reply to condew

It me took many efforts to actually set up an account here and I needed help from an administrator but I must say the commenting section is not so bad. Lots of places I go (mostly newspaper sites) don't even let you directly reply to letters, so your reply is usually separated by dozens or more of letters and the connection is never made; their threads disappear all the time; far more error/crashes; the return to pages works even more poorly; the Boston Globe even has some comment sections where you can only see the first 12 lines or so and are typing in the dark after that, usually with lots of typos the result. So, all in all, not bad TPM.

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October 9, 2009 7:08 PM   

Since most people probably have no idea how the Nobel laureates are chosen, there is every good reason to explain the process. The taget audience here are those people who are willing to learn new things. That, of course, rules out those who reflexively oppose President Obama. They closed their minds about the time they reached adolescence and have determinedly kept them in that state.

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October 9, 2009 7:17 PM   

You know, I'm all for anything that sends the right wing into a fit of apoplexy ... but, my basic reaction is WTF?

I guess I get that it wasn't about what Obama has done - indeed, it couldn't be.

What I don't get is what "path" this is in anticipation of. Continued extraordinary renditions? An Afghan surge? More illegal wiretapping? Out-Bushing Bush on State secrets and opacity? Making FISA and the Patriot Act even more despicable?

True, he has been more level headed in dealing with North Korea and Iran and the one area where he seems truly enlightened (so far) is Palestine but, on the whole, he has hardly committed himself to peace and justice.

If the only criteria is that he's not Bush ... well, actually I could probably make peace with that. But it sure would make it easier if he would actually become what everyone seems to want to project him to be.

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October 9, 2009 9:56 PM    in reply to cawleybo

I generally agree with you, as would many progressives here who are disappointed with what Obama has done - or failed to do - on the international front. However, as one who has traveled in Europe a fair bit during the Bush regime, I think what we may be missing is how VERY toxic Bush was to the world's opinion of us and what a breath of fresh air Obama seems by comparison. The mere willingness to engage in diplomacy rather than always threaten now seems like an amazing leap forward to much of the world. So, yes, I think he may have won this for being "not Bush", but to much of the world having "not Bush" running things in the US seems like a giant step rather than the baby step that many of us here see.

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October 11, 2009 9:42 AM    in reply to cawleybo

I am not so certain that it wasn't about what he has done.

The Media obscures what President Obama does that has profound GLOBAL impact & historical significance. The reason America thinks he does not deserve it is because the media fails to report on what Obama does on the WORLD stage.

Here is what they are not saying.

They are not telling us that in September right before the NobelPeacePrize cmte voted, President BarackHusseinObama was the FIRST AMERICAN President to chair the UN Security Council

More significantly...in the sesssion he chaired he provided the leadership to reach global accord on NUCLEAR Disarmament. Never in history had such been achieved.


"The UN Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution calling for nuclear disarmament, in a session chaired by US President Barack Obama."

That is what the NobelPeacePrize committee HONORED....a historical shift from global conflict and confrontation to one of collaboration and cooperation ushered in by the AMERICAN President BarackHusseinObama. A resolution for TOTAL nuclear disarmament.

Our YOUNG American President met with FIFTEEN world leaders and with barely 9 months in office he led the most powerful group in the world to an ACCORD on NUCLEAR disarmament.

This is as big as the fall of the Berlin wall as well as the end of the cold war...the rest of the world KNOWS this...only America fails to laud their own President....


Instead of reporting on this worldwide achievement...what did our press do? They ridiculed the very idea that Obama would even dare to preside at the UN Security Council..they claimed that it was dangerous diplomacy for him to set the agenda and all they talked about was Quaddfi being there and was Obama going to sit next to him. The press and cable did not cover the significance nor the outcome of the FIRST AMERICAN President presiding over the UN Security Council....they focused on Quaddfi's rambling long winded speech instead!!

Obama is brilliant, he has an abundance of leadership and we have just begun to see his global and domestic influence.

President Obama makes this nation proud. If only American wasn't so blinded by his skincolor they might be able to bask in the pride of having one of the most influential leaders of this century as their very own President.

So sad.

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October 11, 2009 11:12 AM    in reply to whiterosebuddy

"President Obama makes this nation proud. If only American wasn't so blinded by his skincolor they might be able to bask in the pride of having one of the most influential leaders of this century as their very own President"

Wow! Logical leap much?

I have the temerity to question Obama's Nobel and I am suddenly a racist?!?!? You know NOTHING about me to make such a charge.

For the record: I am thrilled that this country has actually progressed to the point where we have elected a non-Caucasion President. But there is far too much racism still in this country. We have a long, long way to go. Unfortunately, accusing everyone who is critical of Obama's ACTIONS of being a racist does nothing to advance the cause.

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October 11, 2009 4:18 PM    in reply to whiterosebuddy

Very well put. Surely a man who can, in such a short time, turn a world-wide climate of terror and despair (due to his predecessor) into hope for a better world for everyone deserves to have his fellow citizens join the rest of the world in expressing appreciation.

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October 9, 2009 11:06 PM   

The attacks from the left on this are fascinating. The cries of "What has he done?" are incredibly short-sighted.

One of Obama's major campaign promises was to "restore our standing in the world." The Nobel Peace Prize, based on the rationale the committee has given, was based on Obama's tangible advances in doing just what he promised he would do with regards to America's international credibility and engagement.

But, what has the left done? Instead of acknowledging the palpable and objective (see international polls) change, they've pissed on Obama AND the Nobel Peace Prize.

I understand that many on the left have high expectations for the President; but, high expectations are not exclusive to the left. Furthermore, even when one has high expectations, he should still be able to acknowledge a prestigious accomplishment without diminishing it as the "anti-Bush prize."

I expected the pissing from the right. But the pissing from the left confirms to me that many on the left have also embraced such a jaundiced view of this President that they can no longer acknowledge his accomplishments [as noted by many who say, seriously and without acknowledgement or awareness of their hyperbole, that Obama has done "nothing."]. The willingness of some on the left to disregard such a bold contradiction to their hyperbolic "nothingness" critique indicates a profound ignorance -- unwillingness to acknowledge information that challenges your view -- that is more consistent with modern-day conservatism than progressivism.

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October 10, 2009 12:55 AM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

This seems a little trollish, but I'll bite. First of all, I haven't seen anywhere near the amount of "pissing from the left" as there has been from the right, mostly a similar kind of bewilderment that was exhibited by Obama himself. Second, while I'm not one of the easily-disillusioned types who are OUTRAGED!!! at Obama because he hasn't completely overturned the American political establishment, abolished war, and instituted single-payer health care after nine months, most of what he has done - both in actual accomplishments and in tone and goals - has related to the undoing of the damage caused by Bush, and just trying to return the US to the state it was in in 2000. "Not being horrendously awful" is not, IMO, a good criterion for the Peace Prize.

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October 10, 2009 11:26 AM    in reply to hewhohasnoname

Attacks? Pissing?

When arguably the most prestigious awrd in the world is bestowed on someone with a conspicuously thin portfolio of accomplishment, it is reasonable - expected - that an objective mind would question.

Sorry, the Nobel committee has hurt its credibility. I am greatly relieved that the Bush nghtmare is over. But I hardly think achieving good poll numbers is worthy of the Nobel.

I am willing to give Obama an opportunity to actually accomplish something and, if he does, I would be thrilled if he won the Nobel. But he has not had enough time to "prove" himself and, quite frankly, I have been disturbed by many of the things he has done (as opposed to promised or inferred).

It seems to me, your inability to view this objectively indicates your support for Obama stems more from personality than ideals or principles.

Bottom line, if I criticized something Bush did, I'm going to criticize Obama when he does the same thing. If anything, my expectations for Obama are higher. I knew Bush was an enthusiastic tool of entrenched interests. I had somewhat higher hopes for Obama. Didn't you?

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October 10, 2009 11:46 AM    in reply to cawleybo

You have it backwards. The question is not whether any particular candidate is "qualified," whatever that means. The question is, as the Nobel committee stated, who has done the most to advance peace in the last year.

Do you have a better candidate? If not, you indeed are just pissing in the wind. If so, how qualified is your candidate? How much has your candidate done to advance peace? How does your candidate compare to Obama in making peace more feasible?

As I recall, laureates like Carter, Gore, Tutu, and El Barradi were all roundly criticized as being unqualified. Qualified is in the eye of the critic. What counts is who the committee thinks has done most to advance world peace.

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October 10, 2009 10:01 PM    in reply to exregis

Sorry. Didn't mean to challenge your Obama worship.

You are right: the committee is free to choose whomever they wish. It does not necessarily follow that their choice has any credibility.

The former winners you cited were all criticized by the usual suspects but had clearly had records worthy of the honor. This time - as witnessed by this comment section and numerous other clearly liberal sites - is different.

But I've transgressed. I've questioned Obama. I've looked behind the curtain. I must be shouted down.

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October 11, 2009 4:29 PM    in reply to cawleybo

Mad you didn't get your pony yet? What is it with this indulgence (and certainly not just by you) in false equivalency between Bush and Pres. Obama. George Bush and his administration came perilously close to destroying the U.S. economically, militarily and morally, and also close to sending the world into a depression (of more than one sort). On the other hand, Pres. Obama has arranged his priorities in a different order from that which his critics would prefer. There's a mite of difference.

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October 12, 2009 7:02 AM    in reply to Observerinvancouver

Rather than address the structural and regulatory issues that caused the financial meltdown, Obama shoveled a trillion dollars of our money to the fat cats who caused the crisis and/or benefitted the most leading up to it. (Note, that still didn't increase lending as planned so the Fed had to put $8 trillion more of our money at risk to get directly involved in the credit markets.)

He proposed a stimulus package that was too small and too heavily skewed toward ineffective tax cuts to address anything close to the output shortfall. As a result, we will be suffering from either a jobless recovery with (reported) unemployment topping 10% or a double dip recession, or worse.

He has continued and advanced Bush's State Secrets claims.

He has continued extraordinary rendition.

He has continued and advanced unconstitutional spying on American citizens through the Patriot Act.

The jury is still out on Health Care Reform but, to the extent meaningful reform is still on the table after he cut his deal with Pharma and the insurance companies, it is only because of grass roots hectoring and the insistence of liberals in the House.

These are the things he HAS taken action on so I have to assume they are his priorities.

I still have a job and decent health insurance. For the millions who do not, you can tell them to stop whining about their ponies.

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October 10, 2009 1:43 AM   

My first reaction when my partner told me he'd won the prize was, "For what?" But then I started remembering -- oh yeah, he made that remarkable speech in Cairo, reaching a hand toward the Muslim world that hasn't been evident for decades. And he's doing some real discussions with the Russians about nuclear weapons. And he's putting at least some pressure on Israel about the settlements. And he's moving toward winding down the Iraq war, if more slowly than I'd prefer. And he's engaging in real diplomacy with North Korea and Iran.

Put those together, and it makes a decent case for the Peace Prize. But there's Afghanistan, right? Well, perhaps the Nobel committee was gently speaking for the world in telling Obama not to turn into the Lyndon Johnson that escalated the Viet Nam war.

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October 10, 2009 1:50 AM   

You're right, "'Not being horrendously awful' is not, IMO, a good criterion for the Peace Prize." Perhaps, that explains why that wasn't the criterion that the Nobel Committee used in selecting President Obama. Instead, that's your interpretation of why the committee selected President Obama. That I need to differentiate the two perspectives seems to underscore my point.

Additionally, I find it curious that, instead of embracing this achievement as a bolstering of progressive calls for a more diplomatic approach to world affairs and nonproliferation efforts, some people are working to undermine or belittle it.

I have no personal animosity toward the people on the left who are belittling this. I'm just voicing frustration, because I just don't understand the attacks on an achievement that could help dramatically further international and domestic progressive aims.

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October 10, 2009 9:33 AM   

having studied the nobel peace prize a bit (having been involved in a peace prize related organization and having had the opportunity to meet with a laureate), i think anyone who actually looked at the criteria that the peace prize committee actually uses (and has used in the past) would find that 'peace' can mean many many different things and the purpose of awarding the prize is very political in nature in that the awarding of the prize is itself designed to have an impact on creating peace or advancing causes related to peace. just as the awarding of macarthur 'genius' grants is more about what the recipients can accomplish with having won the award than it is about acknowledging past accomplishments, these kinds of awards are meant to be purposeful rather than congratulatory. rather than asking what obama has accomplished to deserve the award, the correct question to ask is, what is the nobel committee trying to accomplish by awarding the prize to obama.

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October 10, 2009 11:35 AM    in reply to fkaZk0sm0

Name some of those who have won without having a tangible, significant accomplishment.

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October 10, 2009 11:49 AM    in reply to cawleybo

Desmond Tutu.

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October 10, 2009 11:57 AM    in reply to exregis

Add to that Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and the Dalai Lama. Despite their courage and inspiration, what have they actually accomplished?

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October 10, 2009 10:11 PM    in reply to exregis

You have got to be kidding me. Tutu had decades of service risking his life fighting apartheid. The prize was direct statement in support of those efforts. Obama has no such record.

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October 10, 2009 6:15 PM    in reply to cawleybo

yes, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi would be "Exhibit A"

but i would also add jody williams and the international campaign to ban landmines whose nobel peace prize was awarded in 1997 - TWO YEARS before the Ottawa Treaty of 1999. a fairly tidy example of the committee using the award to (successfuly)* accomplish something rather than recognizing something already accomplished.

[you might also remember that princess diana, who was a very visible advocate of the campaign to ban landmines, died shortly before the award was given. i think it's fair to say that timeliness and circumstance played a significant role in the committee's decision. just as i think it is safe to say that the timing of obama's election in light of obama's predecessor (predecessors, if you take into account the whole illegal war starting/torturing/renditioning/geneva convention disregarding/'missile defense' escalating lot in the administration) likely played a significant role in the committee's decision.]

clearly the committee tries to use the award to actively shape the world and the powers that be. in cases where the committee awards the prize for a peace already 'accomplished' it is to help fortify those efforts and accomplishments - to double down. and those instances are actually the exception, rather than the rule. (hume/trimble in 1998 for the good friday/belfast agreement is a good example.)

mandela and de klerk weren't given the peace prize for succesfully ending apartheid, they were given the award while they were in the process of doing so, amidst serious violence and turmoil.

gorbachev wasn't given his award because glasnost was such a raging success, he was given the award while the effect of glasnost (and perestroika) was destabilizing the soviet union and the future of his reforms were in jeopardy.

the dalai lama wasn't awarded the prize because he had successfully and peaceably accomplished... anything. he was given the award for being an advocate for nonviolence and an opponent of china and because china had months before put a violent end to the tianamen square protests (which had nothing to do with tibet).

arafat, rabin, and peres weren't given their peace prize for ending the israel-palestine conflict, they were given the award as a way of helping to continue moving things forward in that direction.

the list goes on. you need only compare the list of winners and the dates of their awards against their CVs. or (gasp!) actually using a bit of logic in the direction of the committee's mission. if the committee were primarily about giving the award to people for what they have already accomplished, they would have to be under the misapprehension that people will work harder for peace if there's a chance they can win a nobel prize. the prizes are no more incentives than they are congratulations. the prizes are means to ends.

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October 10, 2009 11:48 PM    in reply to fkaZk0sm0

OK, accomplishment may have been the wrong term but, all of these people had strong records of ACTIONS in support of their respective causes. Many of them were detained or credibly threatened by their own govenrments. The Nobel committee gave those awards to highlight their struggles.

Your "exhibit A" had been prevented from taking office and was under house arrest for two years when she received the Nobel, for God's sake.

To compare Obama, at this point, to the positions and risks they took is risible. He has neither clear, specific, consistent positions nor a record of actions and sacrifice supporting those goals.

Every Miss America in the history of the pageant has spoken in favor of world peace and ending poverty; maybe they should collectively receive the Nobel ...

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October 12, 2009 11:31 AM    in reply to cawleybo

but you are still approaching this incorrectly. it isn't about being a deserving recipient, it is about being a worthy vessel. the question isn't what has obama done (be it accomplishments or sufferings) to deserve the award, the question is what is the nobel committee trying to accomplish by awarding the prize to obama. the nobel committee is looking to the future, what happens next now that they've given the prize to obama. but you are still looking at the past, and only narrowly considering obama as an individual tree while disregarding the context of forest in which that tree exists.

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October 12, 2009 6:41 PM    in reply to fkaZk0sm0

I do understand what you are saying and there is some merit in the position.

I still just don't think there is enough of a track record there to justify their faith in him - as a worthy vessel. To parapharse Fezzik, I don't think he is who they think he is.

I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

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October 10, 2009 10:31 AM   

This Nobel controversy can really be seen as the complete failure of the right wing press and blogosphere to make its case. If you look back at the full spectrum of the press coverage of Mr. Obama since before he was elected you can't help but notice that his loudest critics seem to doubling down on stories that can be objectively described as being long on dogmatic conclusions and short on facts. To someone from outside the country that is trying to make sense of the complicated and swirling political currents of our political dialog this lack of intellectual rigor demonstrated by the loudest voices from the right must be completely obvious. In the modern world where objective truth is only revealed by an energetic, articulate and informed debate, it does not serve the right’s cause to institutionalize the dumbing down of its argument.

And now… rather than attempt to absorb and learn from this latest (implied) criticism of their belief system they have chosen to gin up their propaganda machine and spin faster than ever throwing out ever more outlandish conspiracy theories. In bygone days this approach might have worked but, in the internet age what we used to call the judgment of history has been promoted to a real time exercise. To those that are carefully watching the ebb and flow of current events, the paucity of the right’s arguments and by extension their argument style is becoming increasingly less and less effective outside the isolated slice of the population that is currently serving as their feedback loop. As a consequence it comes as a shock to their system when a big story like this breaches the walls around the information island that they have created and demonstrates that reasonable, articulate and thoughtful people not only disagree with their conclusions but also completely reject their arguments.

The current right wing outrage is not really about President Obama; it is a panicked reaction to the scary reflection of themselves that they are seeing in their mirror.

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October 10, 2009 11:40 AM    in reply to mjclare

Now, that's an explanation I cann believe in!

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