Senior Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett entered the White House vs. Fox News fray in an interview broadcast yesterday with CNN's Campbell Brown. Asked by Brown whether Fox News is biased, Jarrett said, "Well of course they're biased. Of course they are." Then she laughed.
Then Brown asked whether Jarrett also thinks MSNBC is biased. Jarrett backtracked.
"I don't wanna just generalize all Fox is biased, or that another station is biased," she said. "I think what we want to do is look at it on a case-by-case basis."
We are actually calling everybody out, so this isn't anything that is simply directed at Fox.
Before saying that "of course" Fox News is biased, Jarrett said that "certainly if we see somebody distorting the truth, we're gonna call them on the carpet for that" and that "when there's all that chatter and distortion and false information, we have to distinguish between truth and fiction."
Here's the video:
kunda311
October 28, 2009 9:35 AM
I could use a little more "calling out" of the media's distortions and lies, and I like that the White House has decided to push back against the ceaseless tide of drivel broadcast daily by Fox News.
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FlownOver
October 28, 2009 9:38 AM
Also note: Jarrett didn't raise the issue of FockSnooze's bias – she answered a reporter's question. If the MSM think the administration is overplaying this matter why do they keep asking?
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fsudirectory
October 28, 2009 9:49 AM in reply to FlownOver
Because they now get a chance to overplay it, which fits into what the Administration wanted.
Even if the talking heads say its dumb, useless, etc, their constant talking about it could resonate with people listening and make them question what they previously believed.
The media can opine on what they think is the case, when its just what they think, and what Gretchen, Contessa, or Cambrell think, it dont matter, because what sticks is that people are even debating the fact that FOX is biased and not 'fair and balanced'.
A seed of doubt is what has helped republicans through many battles, and thats what the WH just planted.
It's either FOX owns the bias label, or it must prove otherwise, and both result in a win for the WH.
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Ann Arbor
October 28, 2009 10:09 AM in reply to fsudirectory
Agreed. What Eric Sevareid thought of Spiro Agnew's broadside is lost to history. But after four decades of the right's working the refs, the "liberal media" meme is now firmly rooted. It will take time, but this pushback against Fox is the start of a battle that needs to be fought.
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JohnW1141
October 28, 2009 1:20 PM in reply to fsudirectory
fsud,
I think the MSM is reacting to the criticism of FOX in a Pavlovian way. They see a news organization attacked and they immediately circle the wagons, thinking 'there for the grace of God go I'. We often hear of the good "journalists" at FOX like Major Garrett or Bill Sammons, yet I don't remember any of them posing tough questions or tough follow-ups to the Bush Administration.
The FOX News operation should also be measured on what stories they cover and what stories they don't cover.
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mphillip
October 28, 2009 10:10 AM
@fsudsirector:
Yes, exactly.
CNN spent a good amount of time on Sunday morning engaging the question of whether or not the NYTimes story on who gets to play basketball with the President was "news." I think the consensus emerged that it was poorly-written, poorly-sourced etc., etc., and did not warrant frontpage/above-the-fold placement.
So: Did this same roundtable spend a good amount of time bemoaning the WH and Fox "battle" (a frame the media made up)? Sure.
But then they spent time critically analyzing a story, as opposed to simply discussing the story as "fact."
All the WH postmodernists were probably high-fiving (too masculine, huh?) and/or doing the happy dance (maybe too ethnic, huh?)!
mphillip
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wyt
October 28, 2009 11:20 AM in reply to mphillip
Where's your evidence of any subscribers to pomo in the Whitehouse? It's pretty damn obvious many of the Foxheads are pomo - believing that reality is whatever narrative you can pull out of your nethers rather than, well, reality. And its true that in academia most of the pomo theory has come out of the neo-Marxist hard left. Okay, so the hard left and hard right both have large factions removed from reality into their elaborate narratives, to the point that they see their mission as one of loyalty to their narrative, rather than loyalty to merely "modern" ideas like truth, justice and beauty. Right.
But where's your evidence of a single hard (left|right) staff member, favoring the battle of narratives over progress in improving reality, in Obama's Whitehouse?
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roxanne
October 28, 2009 10:15 AM
I kept hoping that Jarrett would have said 'many networks are...for instance your own CNN Campbell! They've chosen not to mention the editing of a piece about Lou Dobbs in their Latino's in America special." I wonder what Campbell's reaction to that would have been?
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roxanne
October 28, 2009 10:19 AM
I don't tweet but, I hope that someone who does sent Brown the link to the Media Matters page with 23 examples of fox new's duplicity. It's interesting that the media doesn't even seem curious enough to check it out for themselves. It's actually a form of malpractice on their part. It's called INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING! Could someone let them know?
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Homefries
October 28, 2009 10:33 AM
By continuing the discussion of whether Fox is or is not a de facto extension of the conservative propaganda wing, the administration is not spending as much of their time dodging ridiculous accusations from that same medium. It helps that the accusation can be substantiated by numerous incidents as well as mea culpas from former employees.
We live in a society where simply the appearance of a accusation gives credibility to the accuser. Fox now gets to eat their own dog food.
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Walter Mitty
October 28, 2009 10:38 AM
Even if networks are asking "Is Fox News biased?" or Fox defending itself by saying "Fox is not biased" all that is really happening is folks are hearing "Fox" and "Biased" together a lot - which is how it will register in our brains.
It's also funny because it's killing Fox with it's own creation "The Cavuto Mark", that has been adopted by Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly and is basically a Fox News MO.
The Cavuto Mark - http://www.newshounds.us/2006/09/14/jon_stewart_explains_the_cavuto_mark.php
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GregorZap
October 28, 2009 12:00 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Viacom has denied the link to Jon Stewart suggesting it is a copyright infringement. Guess they would not want people to actually know what they are airing from anyplace else but the source, as if that helps them find new viewers.
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Walter Mitty
October 28, 2009 10:46 AM
Campbell Brown did have a nice gotcha follow-up, which basically shows she laid a trap when she asked "Do you think MSNBC is biased then?" Administration folks will need to get a ready answer for that going forward as Jarrett sort of bumbled and backtracked.
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Overreach THIS!
October 28, 2009 11:06 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
The word biased *is* the trap. The fricking New York Times is biased. The issue is whether Fox News is more like or more like propaganda, and it is propaganda.
Cooking up rallies, doing promotion slots for them, then covering them, in some cases revving up the attendees from the stage. That's propaganda. And Ailes famously told us that to him, the Obama Administration is the Alamo and he needs somebody firing against them the the last shot. And that is not MSNBC-TV's record.
Sounds like Jarret flubbed the interview in a BFW. Sorry to see that.
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GregorZap
October 28, 2009 12:06 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
OT, that is the most glaring example of the FOX bias, that they actually promote political events, not simply cover them. MSBC has its bias as does CNN. I seldom watch the others. But MSNBC and CNN rely on facts and FOX just flat out fabricates its narrative. One would have a much easier time arguing FOX is baised then the other networks. Anyone who would suggest otherwise is either a bold-faced liar. or completely severed from reality. There are no other options.
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Overreach THIS!
October 28, 2009 12:56 PM in reply to GregorZap
Maddeningly, by the way (and almost nobody knows it and I sure didn't), there is a real difference between MSNBC and MSNBC-TV although they collaborate and cross-link. THIS anodyne window thingy is MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ oddly "Man saves life after watching TODAY"), whereas you THEN need to click MSNBC-TV to get to a different company entirely with a different investment structure, and this latter ("the place for politics) is where Keith, Rachel, Morning Joe and his pet snake Mika, and Chris Matthews (Tweety to some), have their shows. Confusing alright, but this is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from Fox News where they say, "oh we don't that in our *News* Department!" B.S.!! *It's all Fox News,* their self-serving fantasies be damned. This tangle is another reason, though, not to get into this with propaganda lovers: "Keep-It-Simple,-Stupid." Creating phony rallies and then "covering" them isn't news. It's *unethical* journalistically, to put it mildly. {repeating this for Cal Girl below, and please forgive me that.}
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Cal Gal
October 28, 2009 12:23 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
I think Overreach THIS makes a good point. There is a difference between bias and outright lying.
Faux New LIES. MSNBC (or some of it) is biased.
BTW, Campbell, if you'd care to compare pundits to pundits and news to news, I think you'll see MSNBC has some pretty right wing pundits (looking at you Joe Scab and Pat Pukeanan). Who is their counterpart on Faux?
And with Lou Dobbs (WTF happened to HIM?) on CNN, you might want to stop calling the kettle black.
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Overreach THIS!
October 28, 2009 1:02 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Thanks for that! Listen, I repeat this for you just to make sure you see it, since you're interested in the topic, CalGal-in-the-sand:
Maddeningly, by the way (and almost nobody knows it and I sure didn't), there is a real difference between MSNBC and MSNBC-TV although they collaborate and cross-link. THIS anodyne window thingy is MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ oddly "Man saves life after watching TODAY"), whereas you THEN need to click MSNBC-TV to get to a different company entirely with a different investment structure, and this latter ("the place for politics") is where Keith, Rachel, Morning Joe and his pet snake Mika, and Chris Matthews (Tweety to some), have their shows. Confusing alright, but this is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from Fox News where they say, "oh we don't that in our *News* Department!" B.S.!! *It's all Fox News,* their self-serving fantasies be damned. This tangle is another reason, though, not to get into this with propaganda lovers: "Keep-It-Simple,-Stupid." Creating phony rallies and then "covering" them isn't news. It's *unethical* journalistically, to put it mildly. {said this above to GregorZap, please forgive repetition.}
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Renman42
October 28, 2009 11:39 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
The ready answer for the administration is that bias may still be truth. MSNBC presents opposing arguments from the other side. It interviews (or asks to interview and are usually turned down) conservatives to discuss their point of view. They do not edit videos and audio tapes to make the speaker say things they do not mean. They do not bring on some guest on an "opinion" show to say something outlandish or false and then have the "news" show tout that "some people say, etc" to create false news stories based on nothing. Fox does that as a regular routine. It's not news; it's lying propaganda. Facts, these days, tend to be liberal only because the conservatives lie...
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MyMy
October 28, 2009 12:12 PM in reply to Renman42
This is a good reply to Overrreact--it has actually been worthwhile to watch MSNBC for some original news gathering, especially by Rachel Maddow, who has the old-time enthusiasm of how reporters used to be. I learn something new almost every day on her show, and she has had many, many conservative guests who she treats respectfully, but without hanging fire with her questions.
Of course we know her point of view, but that's fine. As long as she keeps doing what she does and doesn't get superlazy with canned reponses to everything a la Fox, then I'll keep watching her. But others on MSNBC seem well prepared, also, particularly Shuster and Olbermann and Ed.
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randomname
October 28, 2009 3:19 PM in reply to Renman42
And no one on MSNBC screams "Shut Up" at their guests when they don't agree with them. Unlike O'Reil-puke.
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Clavis
October 28, 2009 11:03 AM
Push the Van Jones Window every day.
Republicans are assholes. The more we say it, the less "outrageous" it will seem to be. Plus it's true.
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BrooklynBill
October 28, 2009 12:03 PM
News Flash… Fox News announces, “Sure fire way, to top the White House and demonstrate that Fox News tells the truth."
Fox News says will put an end to the WH lies, as Fox News scoops the wire services.
According to Rupert Murdoch, Managing Director of News Corporation, and moments ago announced live on Fox News. Murdoch, the owner of the Fox Broadcasting Corporation said, “It is high time we set the record straight once and for all. It is Fox News who has been telling the truth all along and to prove it we believe it is an utter and complete necessity that the Federal Communications Commission immediately reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
Bill O’Reilly proclaims it live on the Factor, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh follow suit and Senator Joe Lieberman to announce his personal desire for the return of the Fairness Doctrine on the floor of the US Senate shortly.
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eggroll
October 28, 2009 12:12 PM
Credit where credit is due. Foxnews, the brainchild of Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch, was the first large-scale rollout of the narrowcasting format, a good decade ahead of the atomization and democratization of content production and delivery now emerging on the web. Ailes understood he had a ready audience, albeit elderly (Foxnews average viewer is 71, I believe), ready for a nice mix of self-righteous windbagishness and daily political memes. Even today you will find households in the US where elderly people keep the tv on all day tuned to Foxnews. They don't really pay that much attention, rather the act seems to provide an anchor or statement about their belief system. At its peak a few years ago, it seemed you had to endure Foxnews blaring in all kind of public or quasi-public spaces (hotels, restaurants, airport lounges)as an implicit assurance that the establishment owner was on the same political side. As the original Foxnews audience dies off, the new cohort targeted for replacement (white males who grew up in the Reagan era) has less concern about being tax poor and black folks doing home invasions, but a greater interest in titties and beer (more Jill Dobson, less BillO). Let's be honest, the Foxnews fantasy is concocted with the same ingredients as other consumer advertising.
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Cal Gal
October 28, 2009 12:27 PM
Girl fight! I'm putting my money on Valerie Jarrett.
BTW, Campbell is married to a ReThuglican mouthpiece. Is HER bias showing a little bit?
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Homefries
October 28, 2009 12:43 PM in reply to Cal Gal
James Carville is married to Mary Matalin, they don't seem to have lost any of their partisan zeal.
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dick c
October 28, 2009 12:45 PM
How in the hell is it that FOX's bias is questioned? FOX pushes and promotes right wing policies in numerous ways. Nobody denies it. They never do anything close to that for anything progressive. So what if they don't do it all the time on every program. Hitler liked kids and petted dogs. So what?
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Ziggy Stardust
October 28, 2009 1:13 PM
Does anyone actually watch CNN or MSNBC, their ratings are terrible.
Every CNN program is down more than 50% year-to-year in total viewers, but Anderson Cooper’s 10pmET hour is down 72% and 79%. The top program right now, Larry King’s 9pmET hour, is just the 16th best cable news program for October in total viewers.
Meanwhile with MSNBC, the cable network is stuck in 4th place in total day in both total viewers.
Fox News had the top 11 programs, in the demo survey and the top 13 programs, again, in total viewers.
raw data - http://images.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/October-09-LIVE+SD-P2+-Program-ranker.pdf
Maybe CNN and MSNBC should do some investigative reporting on why we have never seen any of the following Obama/Soetoro documents that have never been released, and why.
Occidental College records
Columbia College records
Columbia Thesis paper
Harvard College records
Selective Service Registration
Medical records
Illinois State Senate schedule
Law practice client list
Certified Copy of original long form Birth Certificate
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth
Harvard Law Review articles published
University of Chicago scholarly articles
Obama Record of baptism
Obama State Senate records
Indonesian passport records
Official name change documents
Just a thought, might improve their ratings.
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fsudirectory
October 28, 2009 1:26 PM in reply to Ziggy Stardust
Care to see if Obama has been circumsized too?
He could be a double secret Mossad agent.
Might wanna add that to your list
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Ziggy Stardust
October 28, 2009 1:41 PM in reply to fsudirectory
Now that would score some ratings. I don't think Chris Matthews could handle it though with out panting and drooling.
"To each according to his need, from each according to his ability" Karl Marx 1875
"My Plan Will Spread the Wealth Around...When you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." Barry Obama/Soetoro 2008
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Dorn76
October 28, 2009 2:19 PM in reply to Ziggy Stardust
Where were you this Summer? If you could've shown up then, when the Birther thing was in full swing, we might've taken a few moments to ridicule you and your obviously tiny penis.
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GregorZap
October 28, 2009 2:49 PM in reply to Ziggy Stardust
Unless one really examines statistics, one can be seriously led astray, and, while FOX may be more popular, since they are fabricating their stories, one should put them up against a sitcom, rather then real news to compare apples to apples.
Anyhoo!!! There are dozens of networks and a half dozen or so news networks. Being #1 means very little because they compete against all of their opponents at once, not one particular network, so just because say 20% [The percentage of remaining self-identified GOP members. Not an actual piece of FOX viewing hard data.] watch FOX, there are 80% not watching FOX who care to watch something other then FOX. 20% is not as dominating as one might think ,if one was all aglow that they were #1. This ain't football, it's television. 20% is just that, 20%, or whatever.
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fsudirectory
October 28, 2009 3:36 PM in reply to GregorZap
Well everyone knows that tabloid journalism sells more than real journalism, then passive viewing on top of that, you got a gold mine
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shevas01
October 28, 2009 3:14 PM in reply to Ziggy Stardust
When all other previous President provide the same information then ask President Obama. He should not have to do anything above and beyond what other Presidents have done. Why single him out? Why? I'll tell you...it is because you cannot accept that this DEMOCRATICALLY elected Democrat who happens to be of mixed heritage but looks black is the President of the United States. It's called sore loser, sour grapes, you know...something along those lines. Your goal is simply to nullify the election by trying to render him as illigitimate. No dice. The American people voted and we picked President Obama. Deal with it until 2012
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Ziggy Stardust
October 28, 2009 6:23 PM in reply to shevas01
Since I've been following politics (some 35 years now) all other presidents and candidates for that matter have been given a full rectal exam during their campaigns. The three on which the most documents, records, etc, were unearthed recently, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and George W. Bush. The media was relentless with all three for tax records, college transcripts, college records, stock holdings, business dealings, legal client lists, medical records, you name it.
Barry, elected, sure, vetted, not hardly. You would be hard pressed to even try to legally prove that Obama/Soetoro even existed 20 years ago. I have to face that American electorate was dumb enough to elect a Marxist and you have to face that Barry got a pass in the media. (I'm no fan of free spending GWB or McLame either) It is what it is now. Hopefully we are better off in 2012 than we are now or we'll elect someone else and try again.
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dougom
October 28, 2009 1:33 PM
I find it hilarious that when the White House points out the obvious--that Fox is not a "news" channel, but rather a reservoir of opinion--the so-called "liberal media" gets their knickers in a twist and wants to defend Fox. Is there anyone at these bastions of objective reporting that doesn't believe what Jarrett is saying, that doesn't think that Fox is bunch of biased right-wing whack-a-doos? Hell, even Shep Smith apologized for it the other day!
Ann Arbor is correct: conservatives have been using the club of "liberal media, liberal media!" to beat up the press and progressives with for years. Now someone is pushing back. More power to them.
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Middleclassvotingbloc
October 28, 2009 1:51 PM
Brown is bias big time, her husband was apart of the big Irag snufu and he is presently high ranging at AIPAC. Her husband should be investigated about what he knew about some of the money that disappeared in Iraq while he was there. I think Ms. Brown might need to be careful about using that word.
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Middleclassvotingbloc
October 28, 2009 2:17 PM
What person living in this country or on earth, that do not know or believe that FOX News and all of its hacks are bias, with maybe one exception, Shepard Smith. I don't look for Shepard to be working at FOX much longer. The extremist will demand that Ailes give him the boot.
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rbe1
October 28, 2009 2:25 PM
The idea of reacting to wingers who are upset about the Foxfight becomes moot in light of the fact that nobody is listening to anyone any more. So we end up with a circle jerk and preach to our respective choirs, the wingers to theirs and we to ours. Our system of political discourse is becoming a hall of mirrors.
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rwc
October 28, 2009 6:53 PM in reply to rbe1
sadly true
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