Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said on the Senate floor a few minutes ago that the CBO analysis showing that the Senate Finance Committee health reform bill would actually reduce the federal deficit by $81 billion over 10 years is "irrelevant."
"The bill it's referring to will never see the light of day and we all know that," McConnell said. "That's because the real bill will soon be cobbled together in a secret conference room somewhere here in the capitol by a handful of Democratic senators and White House officials."
Um, okay...
We'll have video for you shortly.
Late Update: McConnell's assertion that the Baucus bill won't seen the light of day seems particularly strange since we've confirmed that the Senate Finance Committee will vote on the bill on Tuesday.
Late Late Update: Here's the video.

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mans_best_friend
October 8, 2009 10:16 AM
"That's because the real bill will soon be cobbled together in a secret conference room somewhere here in the capitol by a handful of Democratic senators and White House officials."
And that differs from other bills how?
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thomas1
October 8, 2009 10:23 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Snap!
No more comments needed. Man's best has said it all
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
October 8, 2009 10:24 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Right....and what Party is the master of this approach? When Republicans controlled the White House and Congress - they pretty much shut out the Democrats completely.
Now we have to sit around listening to them whine and pretend that they never operated this way.
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LarsThorwald
October 8, 2009 10:28 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Jon Stewart said it best, mitch. Losing is supposed
Eat up, my friend. Eat. It. Up.
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LarsThorwald
October 8, 2009 10:30 AM in reply to mans_best_friend
Wow, maybe I should use that preview feature more, no?
Jon Stewart said it best: Losing is supposed to taste like a sh*t taco.
Eat it up, Mitch.
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theone718
October 8, 2009 10:43 AM in reply to LarsThorwald
BINGO get seconds of that too, Bitch.
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jeffgee
October 8, 2009 11:34 AM in reply to LarsThorwald
The taco tastes bad because of the bitter sauce that the GOP puts on it.
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 12:09 PM in reply to jeffgee
But don't they shit on everything?
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cwnidog
October 8, 2009 10:49 AM
Well you know Mitch, elections have consequences.
I only hope you're right on the Republicans being shut out of the conference room. I mean, if your only purpose in being there is to water down a bill that no Republican has any intention of voting for anyway, why the hell should they let you in the room? You've already made yourself irrelevant.
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ejg3
October 8, 2009 10:52 AM
The Democrats are just doing onto others as they would do onto you, also known as don't get mad, get even. The most important thing is to get something done-- the inability to do so by Congress as a body explains its low rankings.
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 12:14 PM in reply to ejg3
It isn't quite "don't get mad, get even," technically. It's more like, Give them more and more and more rope. And then give them some more. And tehn some more. Until the lies told have run their course, and become transparently horseshit, and they run out of excuses.
Interesting how giving the reform "debate" all the time it needed -- to play out -- and tehn some -- has begun to result in the truth outrunning the lies.
And still 77 per cent of "We the people" want a public option -- as do even a majority of Republicans. And yet David Brooks is still pushing his "subtle" propaganda by lying that "the American people," who he hasn't interviewed, and who didn't elect him to speak for them, are "extremely skeptical" of the reform.
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benintn
October 8, 2009 10:54 AM
McConnell's upset because his lobbyists insurance company overlords aren't getting to write the bill and pad his pockets. I CANNOT STAND MITCH MCCONNELL.
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fsudirectory
October 8, 2009 11:02 AM in reply to benintn
You would think hes got enough turkey on his neck to last a lifetime, what does he need more money for
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 12:20 PM in reply to benintn
I like him when he loses and whines. When, that is, he shows his true lack of character.
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Ward Report
October 8, 2009 11:01 AM
Of course what McConnell is saying is that the bill that ultimately passes will not be the neat and tidy bill coming out of Finance. He will have amendments and riders that will allow it to be demagogued.
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DownriverDem
October 8, 2009 11:07 AM
Yes Congress has low ratings for two reasons:
The Dems:
Not getting it done on the issues we voted for(health care, Gitmo, etc)
The Repubs:
Standing in the way of reform on the issues we the people voted for and offering nothing but lies, fear, and a big fat "NO" on everything that the Dems (majority) put forth They offer nothing but no.
BTW: The Repubs totally shut out the Dems when they were in charge. Our country is in big trouble. We are rotting from within. The Repubs of today are not the Repubs I grew up with. They worked together when I was a child and got things done for the good of the people. Not anymore. The Repubs of today are too white, too male, too southern, too religious, too homophobic, too hateful, too anti women, too anti workers, too pro corporations, too anti environment and against anything that will help Americans who are hurting. I hope they get their due. I am white and am so embarrassed watching those prancing white people with such hateful signs all summer long. Get Real.
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 12:22 PM in reply to DownriverDem
The Gauntanamo issue -- as understand those who aren't burdened with certitude instead of reason and experience -- is much more complicated than you realize. For one, the snarls and snags and entanglements of law resulting from it are extraordinarily difficult to disentangle. Which means: IT TAKES TIME.
For another, we oppose rejection of and violations of law when ANYONE does it -- not only when done by Republicans. One doesn't resolve that issue overnight because of the mess it is.
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neesy08
October 8, 2009 11:08 AM
the bill will see "the light of day" but after it has had a few nips & tucks. mcconnell apparently is not listening to dole
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ExIsle
October 8, 2009 11:08 AM
I can understand McConnell's reticence. He's just been reading Dan Brown, again. You have these two secretive chambers, see, where all this weird, secretive stuff goes on. A secretive cabal of elite-types get together and secretly agrees to a compromise course of secretive action. Then, whammy, unbeknownst to us mortals, such secretive agenda as theirs becomes law! Spooky, really. Strange, old, weird, creepy stuff goes on in Washington D.C.
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monel9959
October 8, 2009 11:16 AM
Just keep it up with the "no" strategy Mitch...its really going to boost the chances of establishing your version of a talibanisque-corporate church/government for the rest of us.
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ChrisNBama
October 8, 2009 11:31 AM
Technically what Mitch said is true: the bill that the Finance Committee will vote upon is not the bill that will ultimately make it to the senate floor--which the first commentor stated, accurately, is the same for all bills coming out of committee.
That said, I'm interested to see how the republicans on the finance committee vote on Tuesday. Because this version of the legislation is the most conservative it ever will be. It only gets more progressive from here on out.
If even Queen Olympia votes against it in its current form, then we know that this process of accommodating republicans was for naught.
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Docb
October 8, 2009 11:59 AM
Mcconnell has not seen the light of day for ages but in this he may be correct...this must go to conference AFTER it is blended with the H.E.L.P version...There will be a public option..how watered down will depend on how much we call and scream..1.877.264.4226 or 1.800.828.0498..
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JNagarya
October 8, 2009 12:05 PM
Typical of McConnell: expert at predicting the past.
It's already pretty much seen the light of day. And the dark of night.
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jchaus
October 8, 2009 12:19 PM
How can he say it will never see the light of day, when it has already seen the light of day? It's been debated in open committee, its been posted online, its been scored by the CBO, it will be voted on in committee by recorded vote, with media watching.
What the hell is he talking about?
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billp
October 8, 2009 12:30 PM
No matter what form the bill ultimately takes (especially if it's one that makes fiscal sense and increases the number covered), the GOP will oppose it. The better the final bill appears, the more imperative that they kill it.
If any such bill passes, the President will get the credit, and the GOP wants to prevent that at all costs. It would sink them in 2010 and 2012, and who knows how long after that.
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breakspear
October 8, 2009 12:48 PM
Ol' Prune Face McConnell should know something about 'irrelevant': the current incarnation of the GOP. If they'd had any interest in governing responsibly and providing solid ideas and resulting legislation that actually would help citizens, the GOP wouldn't have resoundingly lost in two consecutive election cycles. But they did. and his 'stellar' leadership can be partly blamed.
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hsr0601
October 9, 2009 2:40 AM
The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that having a "public option" would squeeze $100 billion in costs from the system over 10 years because of competition with private insurers, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.
Compromise doesn't mean compromising the essence of policy, and all know it !!
1. As regards a Baucus scheme, the source of funding coming from a middle class is utterly against the commitment of Democratic party while it leaves 25 million Americans without health insurance . And the bill would require people to buy insurance they can hardly afford.
In response to the scheme, the letter from 154 House Democrats to Speaker Nancy Pelosi urges her “to reject proposals to enact an excise tax on high-cost insurance plans that could be potentially passed on to middle-class families.”
“This is not an obscure detail of health care reform,” said Connecticut Rep. Joe Courtney, who drafted the letter. “Taxing health benefits was explicitly debated in the campaign by presidential candidates and people running for Congress.”
Furthermore, looking closely at the new CBO report, it won't be until "2014 or 2015" that folks start seeing a serious reduction in the number of uninsured.
2. No cost-competitive advantage of the insurer-friendly scheme does not clear the grave concern about the unsustainable growth in cost of overall health care program in the long run. Baucus scheme Doesn't Bend Cost Curve Enough, Experts Say.
And the scheme proposes a "fake" alternative, nonprofit insurance cooperatives -- and it places so many "restrictions" on these cooperatives that, according to the Congressional Budget Office, they "seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many areas of the country."
Beyond, the bill would lock many workers into health plans selected by their employers, without allowing them to shop for better, cheaper plans, an alternative that could help drive down costs for everyone.
Senator Rockefeller is also upset that the bill would even turn nearly a half-trillion dollars over to insurance companies, whose profits he says are “out of sight.”
3. Even with some benefit for primary practitioners, the baseless scheme does not come with fundamental payment reform, or a pay for value reimbursement formula. It means that the insurer-friendly scheme is not cleaning up the concerns over quality, regional imbalance issues and $9trillion of deficit over the next ten years.
((Here is some of CBO analysis : While the costs of the financial bailouts and economic stimulus bills are staggering, they are only a fraction of the coming costs from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that each year Medicaid will expand by 7 percent, Medicare by 6 percent, and Social Security by 5 percent. These programs face a 75-year shortfall of $43 trillion--60 times greater than the gross cost of the $700 billion TARP financial bailout)).
4. For Medicare & Medicaid system to survive from the most wasteful structure on earth, enough savings via fundamental changes need to be ensured, in return, the savings thereof suffice to meet the goal of well-planned public option.
((Even with far less visits to docs, which average a half or a third of them in any other free states, Americans pay roughly twice as much per person right now)).
5. For the record, prior to nation-wide deployment of reform, The State Of "Yes We Can", Minnesota influenced by Mayo clinic spends "20 percent" less per patient than the national average and 31 percent less than in the highest cost state. It highlights that no substantial tax raise is needed at least for sure.
((The $583 billion of revenue package, and the astronomical savings of public option aside, "20%" of $923.5bn (the combined Medicare and Medicaid cost per year, as of July) represents around $184.7bn per year and 1.847trillion over the next decade, and this patient-centered value alone could be sufficient to meet the goal of public option)).
6. In principle, the long-awaited and most hopeful health care plan is to meet these criterias : Affordability, Quality, and A Check function against runaway premiums thereof.
Clearly enough, due largely to its lower overhead cost, purchasing power and fundamental payment reform, the well-planned public option would be doing more than the baseless scheme by THE INDUSTRY in these aforementioned aspects.
Now is the moment to open the page of contemporary energy and financial upgrades glossed over in 8 years.
Thank You !
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unknowncitizen
October 13, 2009 4:39 PM
I didn't want US counter terrorism efforts to fail before 9/11, didn't want US air defenses to fail on 9/11, didn't want the efforts to capture Bin Laden to fail for the last 10 years, especially right before he escaped Afghanistan into Pakistan, didn't want all the crazy lawless Patriot Act crap to fail to stem the tide of anti American extremism, didn't want our intelligent agencies to fail to accurately asess Iraq's WMD capability and didn't want GW Bush to fail to notice that failure and lead us into a deadly costly war.
Granted, some of this stuff I thought would fail, but I personally did not hope for it, never. How could I root against my own fellow Americans sucess, especially when I would share in the sucess or failure equally?
It seems that with alot less on the line (an incremental left turn in health insurance law that's judged deficit neutral, no inevitable countless deaths and injuries, no trillion dollar expenses toward simply feeling a bit "safer") people I disagree with politically are positively glib about not only predicting absolute failure and endless ruinous consequences, many of the most popular and listened to celebrities of their movement are actually hoping for this hypothetical cataclysimical failure for America.
The real tell of course is that even the wildest birther/Limbaugh worshipper still gets off his duff to read the fine print of the healthcare bill drafts and fights (sucessfully) for the causes of xenophobia concrning immigrants and religious demogaugery surronding end of life care.
If they hope it fails, will have no part of compromise and are quite assured that the change will quickly be exposed as change for the worse, why not allow what they state are the most agregious provisions of the law go unchallenged, the public would then see the true badness of the law even faster and it would surely fail, right? Isn't that what they want?
Yes but predjudice is hungry and noisy and politicians can never pass up an opportunity to at least wink at if not pander to prejudices, can they? They can vote too!
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