The National Rifle Association is in the field with a call campaign asking recipients a rather leading question -- "Should third-world dictators and Hillary Clinton dictate our gun policy?" -- according to several TPM readers who have reported receiving the call.
While TPM has not been able to independently verify the calls (the NRA has not responded to several requests for confirmation or comment), five TPM readers in three different states have reported receiving the calls in the past three weeks.
The call starts with a pre-recorded message from Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's CEO, warning that Clinton is meeting with the United Nations "right now" to take away guns from Americans. Then, a live person comes on and asks the question.
"I was sort of flabbergasted because it was so outrageous of a statement," said TPM reader Miles, 42, who lives in Los Angeles, who got the call Oct. 7. Miles asked that his last name not be published. He was especially stunned that LaPierre seemed to be "equating Hillary Clinton with third-world dictators."
Another reader, Travis Finch from Redondo Beach, Calif., got a call Oct. 12. He was also warned about the UN meeting. Other readers reported getting the calls in Wisconsin and New Hampshire.
But the question is misleading.
The call is likely about a meeting of the UN's committee on disarmament, which began Oct. 5 to discuss, in part, "staunching the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons."
Some countries are pushing to begin negotiations on a global treaty to stop such illegal smuggling, and the NRA believes that kind of treaty would take away gun rights from Americans.
But those nations that want a treaty have specified, a resolution to begin negotiations, that countries would have the exclusive right to regulate arms trade within their borders.
That language is a concession to the United States. In 2006, the U.S. was the only country to vote against beginning treaty negotiations. Then, as now, the NRA was campaigning against UN efforts.
But when the NRA's calls began last month, the Obama administration had not yet expressed an opinion on such a treaty.
On Wednesday, however, Clinton said the U.S. is open to negotiations, but would only sign a treaty if it has unanimous support.
"The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust treaty that contains the highest possible, legally binding standards for the international transfer of conventional weapons," she said.
(For what it's worth, Clinton herself is not at the committee meeting. The United States representative on the committee is Ellen Tauscher, the under secretary for Arms Control and a senior adviser to both Clinton and President Obama. She gave a statement to the conference which mostly focused on nuclear disarmament -- not small arms.)
Clinton is an easy target for the NRA, though. She has, for example, blamed illicit American weapons for deaths in Mexico's brutal drug war, where about 9,000 people have been killed since 2007.
"Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians," Clinton told reporters during a trip to Mexico City this spring.
And it's not new for the NRA to gin up fears that the UN is plotting to take away firearms from American gun owners. They've been doing it for years.
During a 2006 UN conference about stopping illegal small arms trafficking, for example, NRA began a letter-writing campaign against the UN. Members sent more than 100,000 letters to the conference's chairman, demanding he not take away their guns.
In 2005, with the NRA's support, Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) and Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA) to introduced legislation to withhold funding from the UN if it "abridges the rights provided by the Second Amendment to the Constitution." Both bills died in committee.

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doolingreen
October 16, 2009 3:16 PM
I got the same call here in Rhode Island. I get lots of this type of call at my business; I suspect they are calling small businesses, whom they think might be more supportive. Ha. The caller kept spouting about the 2nd amendment. I asked her to tell me what the 2nd says. "The right to bear arms." I asked for the entire amendment and was told she "couldn't be expected to know the entire amendment." So I recited it to her. Yeah, all of one sentence. Morans.
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DestinyofAmelie
October 17, 2009 9:29 PM in reply to doolingreen
I love your post. I have always found it ironic that part of a sentence is somehow the law and protects our rights. I should have done my homework in half-sentances, being it is so correct.
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DestinyofAmelie
October 17, 2009 9:30 PM in reply to DestinyofAmelie
And learned how to spell sentences, oops.
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CityGuy
October 16, 2009 3:45 PM
The NRA must be having trouble raising money on fears of Obama stealing our guns. After all, everything he has said and done has indicated NO gun-grabbing agenda. So they fall back to a relaible bogeyman (woman?) in HRC. I imagine the Clinton memories can raise lots of money for the NRA.
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WillWrite4Food
October 16, 2009 6:57 PM
Gee, I thought when Wayne said at CPAC "Our Founding Fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules" he was channeling his inner Chairman Mao.
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slb
October 17, 2009 2:39 AM in reply to WillWrite4Food
Wayne LaPierre obviously hasn't got a clue about George Washington, who is generally regarded as first among the Founding Fathers.
If Washington had really believed that the country should be governed by "the guys with the guns make the rules," he'd have taken the Congress at its word when it voted him dictatorial powers in late 1776; he would have turned the 1783 Newburgh Conspiracy to his advantage rather than smother it; and he would never have surrendered his commission after the signing of the peace treaty.
But in spite of the sweeping powers it had given him, he remained deferential to Congress, he refused to allow the military to be used to threaten the civilian authorities, and at the end of the war, he surrendered all of those extraordinary powers to the Congress that had granted them and went home to tend his farm.
It is largely because he did this, because he refused to use his enormous power and popularity to make himself the king of the new nation, that he subordinated it all to the principle of republican government, that he is considered one of the greatest Americans who ever lived.
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elle a
October 18, 2009 1:05 AM in reply to slb
what is this stupidity about taking away your guns?
how many people have successfully defended themselved with guns in the past year?
is the nra somehow involved in the illegal trade of guns? or what is there concern with this treaty?
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AJM
October 19, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to elle a
They are worried about when Afghanistan invades here?
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elf
October 28, 2009 9:55 PM in reply to elle a
Well, somehow those who have lots of guns are finding a way to sell them across the border into Mexico. Since those who profit from marketing guns, and those who collect and trade them are among the most vocal defenders of the NRA, it seems reasonable to me to assume that some of them are involved with marketing guns illegally to Mexico.
So yes, the NRA does have a vested interest in selling guns to Mexican drug lords.
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jucey
October 16, 2009 7:58 PM
I got this call here in NE Ohio. The "1-question poll" they mention is almost funny in its extremism. The whole thing is just part of a membership drive, I think.
After answering the question (no, *gasp* I do not think third world dictators should decide American gun laws! ) I told the guy that the NRA is intellectually dishonest, and that although I support the 2nd amendment, I will never support the NRA!
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eflos
October 16, 2009 8:20 PM
I got this call last Friday (10/9) in Minneapolis. I can't imagine
what list they are are calling from. I was curious so I didn't cut it off.
They asked for permission to play a message from Wayne LaPierre, then sent me to a different live rep with more dreck.
Wish I could/would have recorded it. It was WAY over the top. I can corroborate what the others in the article and in the above comments said.
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Grumpy Demo
October 17, 2009 12:35 AM
Here in Dallas I got a call asking "Did I support the UN taking way American's gun?" I told the live human he should be ashamed of himself and to change jobs.
The call was about two weeks ago, I live in N Dallas a very GOP friendly district (Sessions).
Push poll to raise money and keep the Birthers excited, in my opinion.
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hojany
October 17, 2009 4:04 AM
I got this call in Seattle WA on Oct 5. No idea how they got my number as right wingers don't try to hit me up.
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schootche
October 17, 2009 1:02 PM
No I don't. I don't believe it's any of their business if I own guns or not. The second amendment protects my ability to say no to tyranny, and in my opinion it's settled law.
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AJM
October 19, 2009 11:03 AM in reply to schootche
So who appointed you to the Supreme Court and what are your views on regulating the militia?
Do you believe that other countries have a right to say no to the import of guns if they desire to do so?
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The Old Grouch
October 17, 2009 4:01 PM
"Wayne LaPierre" - that's not an American name, is it? Sounds kind of like a furriner to me...
I'd be very, very suspicious.
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Riggsveda
October 17, 2009 4:30 PM
The NRA has long been one of the most effective lobbying arms of the weapons industry. Every time NRA members vomit out the talking points LaPierre feeds them, they are giving invaluable (and free) cover to Boeing, Smith and Wesson, Northrop Grumman, Colt, Bushmaster, Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon, Honeywell, and a host of other U.S. weapons manufacturers. They make the lion's share of money in the international market, and make the U.S. the main source for arms in the world by an overwhelming factor. This is not the 2nd amendment crowd you hear squealing like pigs, this is the corpocracy itself.
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elle a
October 18, 2009 1:13 AM in reply to Riggsveda
lol. i just hope capitalism doesnt utterly destroy america.
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Orwell
October 17, 2009 7:15 PM
I got this call in Cleveland on Thursday. After hearing the recorded message from LaPierre I laughed, and asked the woman who came on the line if this was meant as a joke. She sounded offended and said it was not. I asked her please not to bother me with such bullshit again in the future.
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Dc Fem
October 18, 2009 8:15 AM
I've been wondering where these guys have been. All summer long folks were toting guns at health care rallies and they didn't say anything about those individuals right to bear arms. A doctor was killed in his own church and a security guard was killed in a museum honoring the memory of Holocaust victims, yet they said nothing about how no gun violence is their fault. Now they're out with this garbage? Ask them about guns at public meetings. I'm curious to know what their stance is on that one since it's clear that they're just going to use fear and paranoia (their usual tactics) over the UN issue.
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forensic economist
October 18, 2009 9:02 PM
I got this call and I live in Berkeley California, not exactly a good calling zone for the NRA. I am a registered Democrat. The NRA is wasting its money on very poor call lists. I felt sorry for the poor guy who probably can't get any other job - he may have been on a commission to boot.
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ricky
October 19, 2009 11:03 AM in reply to forensic economist
I got the call two weeks ago in Austin, Texas. I asked the caller to name
the "third world dictators who were meeting behind closed doors at the UN"
who, according to Mr. LaPierre had a "detailed plan," and how, if the
meetings were behind closed doors, Mr. La Pierre knew so much about the details. He hung up on me.
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Majorajam
October 19, 2009 10:10 AM
My reading is this is not about American gun rights. This demonstrates where the NRA's bread gets buttered: the gun industry. These guys realize that a non-trivial amount of their product ends up getting exported legally and otherwise, and don't want to get on that slippery slope.
Of course, it doesn't hurt that the NRA's flush with cash and narry a legislative battle to fight- no one wants to take on guns anymore. So they have to drum up controversy, to show donors they're doing something.
If there's a rule of thumb in this country, it's that if both Republicans and Democrats agree on anything, it is a terribly bad idea without an any redeeming value whatsoever. The right to carry howitzers and sell them to whomever whereever whenever no matter how much of that involves unlawful killing cum insurrection is a pretty good example of that. Unending wars, the supremacy of the executive, free trade no matter the consequences, etc. are a few others.
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wanderingoutlaw
October 19, 2009 3:32 PM
I received this call at least a month ago, but I think it was more like two months ago. in Columbia, SC
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Ken
October 19, 2009 7:21 PM
I just got this call about 15 minutes ago... While I was eating of course...
I listened to the message and then the real person came on the line and I asked him "What 3rd world nations in particular were deciding our gun rights?" he replied "The United Nations" to which I responded, "So all the countries in the UN are 3rd world nations? Like England?"
Then I let him have it, "So how big of a gun should people like you and me be allowed to own? Should we be allowed to own rocket launchers? What about nukes?"
He said, "I think you know the answer is 'yes.'"
He told me to have a good night and hung up.
Too bad, my next question was about chemical weapons.
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Aglaia
October 25, 2009 3:13 AM
I got the call yesterday. I didn't want to listen to the recording and told the lady I didn't have time for that, and could she just read me the poll question? She was very nice, and read it to me, word-for-word as quoted in the article.
I guffawed, and said worded like that, how could anybody not agree with it? I was chuckling and bantering with her about how they should really re-word the poll question, because they really weren't going to find out anything this way.
I also told her that I had an impish streak, and I was really, really tempted to say, "Yes, I think third-world dictators should dictate our gun policy," just to send a message to the poll writers.
She was nice, and chuckling with me all the way through. Wonder if she was a "true believer" or just someone they hired to do the poll.
Why do they do polls like this? So they can publish it in their magazine? If someone finds out the "results" at some point, can you please comment here? I'd like to know how big the group is that I should've joined, voting for the third-world dictators. Almost makes me wanna move to Pyongyang.
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TowerJohn
November 14, 2009 6:14 PM
I'm a responsible gun owner that would love to have a gun rights group that didn't make gun owners look like paranoid crack pots. I got the call, thanked the young man but informed him that I was a retired military member, the UN couldn't organize a trip to the bathroom let alone come to my house for my guns and this is one of three NRA messages that I found to be an insult to my intelligence.
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