RE "MSNBC is seen as conservative by 11% (Again: Who are these people???)"

People who just watch the channel in the morning when Joe Scarborough is hosting?

One word comes to mind after reading these results re. Fox: DUH!(Or maybe in honor of that Fox show The Simpsons: DOH!)

I preferred the poll that showed that people who got most of their information from Faux News had the highest rate of belief that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11.

Teh stupid! It burns!

Wow, great false equivalency there between FOX and MSNBC.

The 11% could be watching the several hours of conservative programing in MSNBC...like the 3 hour block in the morning hosted by an ex-Republican Congressman?

I really love how the 3 hour prime time weekday lineup of people who have liberal views somehow is equal to a 24/7 GOP talking point network.

And you know that much of that 24 percent who called FOX neither are defensive FOX viewers.

Must echo the false equivalency claim. There is simply no reason to see FOX news as "liberal", however you define the word. MSNBC on the other hand, first of all has plenty of conservative voices, and one regular commentator who might just be far to the right of even FOX news, but who is old and cuddly enough to get away with it.

Both liberal and conservative are problematic terms, though. I would submit that every network supports the status quo, broadly, they are all corporately owned puppet networks, so they are all "conservative" in that sense.

General Reaction:

Fu-duh!

Of course, I'm sure this is some oblique tie-in over the flap as to whether Fox is a "news" organization or not...

...which also buys into another un-aknowledged meme at work over the discussion. Whether they are a news organization or not has zero to do with bias, per se. That it somehow does is the meme.

Meaning? The true bright line that separates Fox from every other of the cables or broadcast news organizations is determined by the answer to a simple question:

Which "news" organization creates, promotes and economically sponsors a single-political-perspective political rally?

See, news organizations don't do that. That's a function of pure propaganda. Sponsoring and promoting political events such as debates is fine, because this offers the opportunity for both sides to take their bite at the apple. I know that no one cable or broadcast news outlet gets to host all R and D based debates, but that is also something a bit outside their control.

Nah. Only Fox did something like create, coordinate and promote an anti-Democratic (and anti-democractic) rally like the 9/12 rally in DC and they were very clear that it was aimed at screwing with the democratically elected government. They cut promos for it — on their own dime — and put those 30 and 60 second promos into otherwise revenue generating spaces — on their own dime.

That is in-kind-contribution economic sponsorship of this anti-government political event representing only one narrow political ideology. Such activity is Kryptonite to the concept of being a news organization, regardless political slant.

Not one of those other organizations have done such a thing, nor would they. Hell, Dan Rather was fired from the top slot @ CBS because of the barest appearance that he was attempting to take sides. Can you imagnine who would even be left @ Fox if such standard (those old "news" standards) applied there?

Their screens would be empty and the only sound would be that of crickets mating in the corners.

Guess what? If you need to spend money on a poll to 'validate' that Fox News is "conservative'. Here's something, you can have for free: Fox News is not news.

Is Fox News a Republican echo chamber?
Has a cat got an ass?

Do you guys have any idea how few Americans know in any reasonable sense the standard meanings of "liberal" and "conservative" as used in American political discussions? I mean this quite literally, no subtlety involved. I'm too tired to look for citations in the political science literature right now, but if you gave a random sample an essay test asking them to define each, I'm sure no more than 25% would get even a "B", grading easy, and close to half would fail completely. Typical answers would be stuff like conservative is "cautious" and liberal is "soft", and plenty of people would get things backwards. This has actually been done on surveys like the National Election Study, which is what I'm remembering.

Fox wants to play the victim in this kurfuffle. They try to cry 1st amendment bs... Which actually resonates with some. I just wish everytime someone on the Reich screams "Free Speech!" they would be reminded that sure you have the right to say whatever you want -- but you have a responsibility to it.

It's important to remember that if Fox were a real news organization they'd look at these numbers and say "Wow, we should do something about that."

Eric, the problem is that this assumes people answer truthfully, and aren't, figuratively speaking, trying to give the pollster the middle finger.

The 11% who claim fox is liberal are basically rightwingers messing with you. Note, those are the same exact 11% who also think MSNBC is conversative.

Now we know -- 11% of the country are basically incorrigible rightwing jackasses.

At Fox, opinion taints the news
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-et-onthemedia30-2009oct30,0,5828158.column

Uh, I think MSNBC is corporate conservative. Yes Keith and Rachel are left-center pragmatists... but its not like GE wants you to hear anything but how to manage empire better.