When the International Olympic Committee voted against Chicago's bid for the 2016 Olympics this morning -- after the President and First Lady flew to Copenhagen to push for it in person -- the Weekly Standard newsroom burst into applause.
"Cheers erupt at Weekly Standard world headquarters," wrote editor John McCormack in a post titled "Chicago Loses! Chicago Loses!"
The line was quickly removed, but ThinkProgress caught it in time and posted a screenshot of the post.
But even with the edits, McCormack is still obviously reveling in America's defeat.
"As a citizen of the world who believes that No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation, I'm glad that the Obama White House's jingoist rhetoric and attempt to pay back Chicago cronies at the expense of undermining our relationships with our allies failed," he wrote.
McCormack's fellow conservatives joined in the celebration.
"Chicago and Tokyo eliminated. No Obamalypics," Michelle Malkin tweeted, following up with, "Game over on Obamalympics. Next up, Obamacare."
"Please, please let me break this news to you. It's so sweet," said Glenn Beck on his radio show.
"Hahahahaha," wrote Red State's Erick Erickson. "So Obama's pimped us to every two bit thug and dictator in the world, made promises to half the Olympic committee, and they did not even kiss him. So much for improving America's standing in the world, Barry O."
The Drudge Report announced the news like so: "WORLD REJECTS OBAMA: CHICAGO OUT IN FIRST ROUND. THE EGO HAS LANDED."
"The worst day of Obama's presidency, folks. The ego has landed. The world has rejected Obama," echoed Rush Limbaugh.
"For those of you ... who are upset that I sound gleeful, I am. I don't deny it. I'm happy," Limbaugh said. "Anything that gets in the way of Barack Obama accomplishing his domestic agenda is fine with me."
"President Obama fails to get the Olympics while unemployment goes to 9.8% Iran continues nuclear program. America needs focused leadership," Newt Gingrich tweeted. Then he added, "Somehow charm and oratory dont seem to work in foreign affirs but historians have warned that foreign policy is different than campaigning." (sic)
"ChicagP\/\/n3D!" tweeted Newsmax, of recent fame for running, then pulling, a column about an impending military coup against Obama.
Apparently no one read the tweet from former Bush flack Scott Stanzel.
"Note to GOP officials/consultants - resist the temptation to pile on about Chicago losing the Olympic bid just because Obama made the pitch," he wrote, advice reportedly passed on by Former Mitt Romney spokesman Kevin Madden.
Fox News, however, saw it coming. A Fox anchor told senior adviser David Axelrod she could "imagine the headlines" that would come out of this, that Obama had been "rebuked," and had "failed." Axelrod simply responded that no one could doubt Obama's influence after watching the G-20, and said neither he nor the President have any regrets about trying.
BlindBat
October 2, 2009 3:23 PM
Revelers revealing how small they are.
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ACS
October 2, 2009 4:43 PM in reply to BlindBat
All this Republican elation strikes me as very un-American.
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ARG in Chicago
October 2, 2009 5:12 PM in reply to ACS
Yes, imagine just how loudly they would cheer if there were another terrorist attack here. Seriously.
-- ARG
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3star2nr
October 2, 2009 5:14 PM in reply to ACS
thats because it is.
first they were against bill clinton going to NK to rescue those two americans, then they were against the captured soldier.
Now they are against the olympics comingto the US a move that would have helped the economy significantly.
if there was ever a doubt that republicans and conservatives are fucking fascist traitors, they just removed all doubt.
Too bad the dems are too fucking stupid to exploit the hell out of this. Id be running so sec ads with thios shit from now to 2012
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DaddyD
October 4, 2009 9:06 AM in reply to 3star2nr
They don't need to. This stuff speaks for itself. See mJJ's post below. I know a lifelong Republican who quit the party just before Obama's speech to students. She couldn't live with the vicious insanity of her own party anymore, and specifically, attacking a president for encouraging students to study hard and stay in school.
The best strategy is to stay on task, get the work of the nation done, and leave the Republicans to hang themselves with their own rope.
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marty9957
October 4, 2009 1:48 PM in reply to DaddyD
I know some democrats who did the same. They couldn't see a president taking the lead in the indoctrination of our youth. The NEA already does a good enough job at that. The right will win out in the end. It's called the right for a reason.
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Heron
October 5, 2009 11:50 AM in reply to marty9957
I sincerely hope you are joking, because that is ridiculous and insane. Anyone who actually believes that because political conservatism is called "the right" it is naturally correct in all things is simply not a sane individual.
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Johnny-O
October 5, 2009 8:34 PM in reply to Heron
Very good post, the only sane response to such an insane and arcane concept.
Not to mention, simple minded - I guess Marty just isn't very sharp, is he?
~Johnny-O
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lousgirl84
October 5, 2009 5:44 PM in reply to marty9957
You lie!!!
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Johnny-O
October 5, 2009 8:31 PM in reply to lousgirl84
YOU GO, girl!!!
Their own words, right back at 'em!
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HopefulPatriot
October 2, 2009 6:24 PM in reply to ACS
I really hope that Republicans make this a sticking point. It will solidify their identity as Anti-American. Anybody else keeping score?
Against Stimulus to help Families during Recession
+Against American Car Companies
+Against Improving American Health Care System to improve the health of Americans
+Against America hosting the Olympics.
I love it when they do all the dirty work for us!!!
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OhSoBlue
October 2, 2009 8:57 PM in reply to HopefulPatriot
Can we now call them for their unpatriotic attitudes? I mean seriously, how much further do they have to fall before we just call them on it.
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trblmkr
October 3, 2009 11:21 AM in reply to OhSoBlue
IOC members rejected us because they are still pissed off about BUSH! 9 months was not enough time to salve the wounds. see my post: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/trblmkr/
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marty9957
October 4, 2009 1:58 PM in reply to trblmkr
I suppose the left will still be blaming Bush for Obama's failures at the end of his fourth and final year in office. Whatever floats your boat.
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trblmkr
October 4, 2009 8:36 PM in reply to marty9957
What failures would those be?
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mJJ
October 3, 2009 6:04 PM in reply to OhSoBlue
Actually, you need to add "racist pigs" to your question. I have heard the most bizarre racist comments about President Obama coming from my own Republican Party. It is humiliating and it is enough to drive me away from the party. I conclude that God's leadership prompots me to leave the ungodly party that keeps on perpetrating this racist swill. I have tried staying in in order to make changes but the tide is too great. The sort of things on hears are simply too outrageous to listen to. So let the bigots run the party into the ground. Their base will get smaller and smaller and the trend away from Republicans will get more and more obvious. God has a way of making insulting behavior obvious and so disgusting and behold, the Republican blabbers have reached that point. their conversation on this issue is nauseating and I am a life long Republican but no longer. As a Christian, I simply have to get out.
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Johnny-O
October 4, 2009 9:13 PM in reply to mJJ
I know just what you mean. I am a life-long Truman Democrat, but I learned my forbearance and discernment from my mother, who was such a truly pious Christian that she did not have a mean bone in her entire body.
I remember Watergate very well, and that one of the two reporters who broke the whole thing open, James Woodward, was a Republican, but that in the end, he did the right thing, he went for his country - and the story that destroyed a presidency that had almost led the country over a cliff.
I remember my mom, who had always had Richard Nixon's number since before I was even born, saying, "Now, I know God doesn't want us to judge, but I just don't like the things that man is doing to this country - or the GOP (which she called 'Graft On Parade', hahahaha)."
She was right, and both of my parents agreed with my dad's assessment that "If they give ol' Tricky Dick enough rope, sooner or later he'll hang himself!" And of course, ultimately, he did.
Now, as you may have picked up, I've been a Nixon hater for decades, and I never will dismiss the importance of his resignation, but I will say this: Richard Nixon was a brilliant politician. Nor will I begrudge him the credit he so rightfully deserves for all the good things he did, some of which were ahead of his time - like the EPA, for example - giving 18-year-olds the right to vote, opening up China to the West, moving all government holidays to Mondays, OSHA. Lots of very important things.
But that does not change the choices we have to make, then or now (btw, I doubt if history will be so kind to W Bush, and rightfully so!); my mother was right, sometimes, by the light of one's own faith, you have to decide where you come down on.
I don't know what is to become of the GOP, in the very near future; I hear from Chris Matthews that only something like 22% of register Republicans self-identify now as Republicans, and that is a damn shame...22%.
May I suggest that there needs to be, as unpalatable as it may seem to true fiscal Conservatives (many pro-choice, small-government, strong-defense traditional 'Ike' Conservatives as I percieve you to be), a sort of rebellion or re-taking of the GOP by members such as yourselves, led by the few like-minded souls who still remain (Snowe, Gov Crist of Florida, perhaps Ron Paul, etc), kicking to the curb the Neo-Cons and the Radical Evangelicals who think they own God and God's Bible (and would, if they could, own the whole country, for that matter - hell, they already own the GOP), and eventually out of the Party altogether; perhaps they could form a third party, let's call it the 'Christian Conservative Party', which could be marginalized until they finally went away. We can only hope!
Speaking as an unrepentant 'yellow dog' Democrat, I would hate to see the dissolution of the Republican Party, if for no other reason than for its historical value; in order for true conservatism to survive, I feel it's important to remember that the term 'Radical Conservative' is counter-intuitive and an oxymoron.
Think about it: How can you be a Conservative and embrace anyting of a radical nature at the same time?
How can you be a Radical and have any part of you that is still consrvative?
Wouldn't one school of thought cancel out the other?
There is hope for the GOP, but those of you who remember what true Conservatism is must act, and soon before the only working party is the Democrats - we don't want that, and that is no way to run a democracy!
As I understand it, true conservatives believe in three essentials, if I'm not mistaken:
1) A limited federal government,
2) A robust defense, and
3) Limited federal intrusion into our personal lives.
Correct? We may not always see eye-to-eye, but none of these are elements Democrats cannot work with.
Unfortunately, things have gone far beypond that now. We've got to restore the balance, or the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Gen Eisenhower will become just a political joke, or worse yet, a thing of the past.
No one wants to see that, least of all Obama Democrats.
~Johnny
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Heron
October 5, 2009 11:53 AM in reply to mJJ
Amen to this. How can someone who values courtesy listen to the malice in the words of a Michelle Malkin or Bachmen and still feel comfortable associating one's self with them?
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marty9957
October 4, 2009 1:42 PM in reply to HopefulPatriot
The only reason Obama went to pitch for Chicago was because he got some bad advise. He needed a feather in his hat and his advisers told him this was a sure thing. Kinda like the CIA and a "slam dunk" in the Bush administration. That is the truth of it. Politics.
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ivy22
October 5, 2009 9:08 AM in reply to marty9957
Except trying for the Olympic bid did not plunge us into a war of choice in Iraq and nobody died.
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Dogger
October 3, 2009 11:29 AM in reply to ACS
Actually, it's worse than "un-American", it's anti-American.
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JEP07
October 3, 2009 2:42 PM in reply to Dogger
The more I read about the spontaneous joy so many conservatives felt that Chicago's bid "failed", the more it seems they were already scared that if they had won, Obama's popularity would soar even higher.
They and their toady MSM have desperately tried to bust Obama's chops on every issue, in order to diminish his popularity, so they might turn this whole thing around and retrieve their heady delusion of a "permanent majority" (ala Karl Rove). From the teabaggers to the birthers to these gleeful anti-olympics psuedopatriots, their desperation has been blatant, but has yet to make even a minor dent in the Obama popularity.
So when Chicago "failed", their worst fears of an Obama popularity surge were assuaged in an instant, and their glee was exposed. Clearly, they were more concerned with Obama growing more popular, than they were with Chicago getting the Olympics.
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marty9957
October 4, 2009 1:15 PM in reply to JEP07
You mean the plummeting image. No chance.
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mJJ
October 4, 2009 12:05 AM in reply to ACS
Yes it is amazing. But no surprise. Actually it is a obvious that with far right wing Republicans, their ego comes way before the good of their fellow Americans are concerned. But alas as a Republican who will be leaving the party, I am sasd to say that this attitude is par for the course. Amazing that any Republican can gloat over the Chicago population losing this chance to improve their lives. Never in many years have I seen people in my party acting so obviously un-American. It's the economy, you stupids and if some Americans lose we all lose. Amazing that so many let political stupidity get in the way of what is good for fellow Americans. But alas, Republicans are so eaten up with jealousy and racism about the Obama win that it is driving them crazy. No more evenhandedness or patriotism left in the Republican party these days. Sad, sad day for our country.
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mJJ
October 5, 2009 11:30 PM in reply to ACS
Just reinforces the fact that Repoblicans have no interest in trying to win jobs for workers who could benefit from having the Olympics in Chicago. It was a long shot but great that Obama showed his concern for workers so he went, even when the outcome looked dim. You can be sure, that Hanity and Gingrich cares less about the common people of Chicago that would have benefited greatly if they could have gotten the Olympics. Only the really 'unsure of themselves' folks do not have the guts to try for the benefit of so many even though the odds are small. I can hear it now from the lips of this crabby bunch, "Let the poor eat cake". And they wonder why their ranks are shrinking!!
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coltraning
October 3, 2009 7:55 PM in reply to BlindBat
The game is so obvious - this little dance between the right wingnuts and the toady MSM who can't wait to let the haters drive the story. You can be damned sure the haters have a negative spin ready for ANY eventuality. If Obama gets it, we hear nothing but talk of cronyism and the fix is in and dirty Chicago-style politics. If he doesn't go, Obama hates America and cannot even be bothered. The same game with Health care...if he fails, it is his waterloo, he is done. If it passes without a public option it is a combination of we beat him back from his attempt to take over health care AND it is a government take over of health care. If there is a public option, he is a combination of Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Jon Gosselin. It is utterly predictable the fat, racist white hater males manning the mics don't believe a single word they say, and the MSM is being f**ked like a three $ whore is hoping Beck, Limbaugh, Drudge and company don't hit her if she cooperates...
There is a real ray of hope, though, and, of all people, David Brooks nailed it: The right wing is like the wizard of oz, they have no real power. Remember when they were going to finish off McCain? When they were going to fix it so Obama couldn't beat Hillary? When Obama was toast and done in the general? When Sotamayor was sunk? It is a fraud. My best advice (and I give this as much to myself as to anyone else.) Turn off cable, even msnbc, stop reading sensationalist and hysterical blogs like the Huff Po and take a breath. Obama will pass some form of health care, an incremental improvement, and that will be lesson number 3876 that the right wing noise machine is sound and fury signifying precious little...it's like the guy who has one move on the court, and keeps going back to it, no matter that everyone has figured it out. Because of the money behind the haters and the complicity of the beltway boys, these stories will continue to spew out on politico, WaPo and other sources of conventional tedium, but they will lose their sting...
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Penelope
October 4, 2009 3:53 PM in reply to BlindBat
Most Chicagoans didn't even want the Olympics to be hosted by their city. They didn't want the expense or the hassle. With the state of the current economy, why would anyone wish this humongous expense on the citizens of Chicago?
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slb
October 5, 2009 6:00 PM in reply to Penelope
It's true that not all Chicagoans were in favor of hosting the Olympics -- it's an enormous undertaking, and not without risk, so it's only to be expected that not everyone would see it as a good thing -- but according to the poll numbers posted in the clip from Rachel Maddow's show elsewhere on this site, the support was around 75% in favor (I don't recall the exact figure). Most Chicagoans did support the bid.
That said, it may be just as well for them that they did not win it. Hosting the Olympics is a decidedly mixed blessing.
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happycozy
October 2, 2009 3:26 PM
Wow! Just--wow!
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rynato
October 2, 2009 5:15 PM in reply to happycozy
"As a citizen of the world who believes that No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation, I'm glad that the Obama White House's jingoist rhetoric and attempt to pay back Chicago cronies at the expense of undermining our relationships with our allies failed," he wrote.
How THE FUCK does any right-winger get off:
a) saying they are a citizen of the world (right-wingers typically sneer back at that one, 'does the world protect your freedoms?');
b) that America shouldn't try to dominate other nations? Hello, Iraq? Bush Doctrine?
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Partisancheese
October 2, 2009 5:55 PM in reply to rynato
Just what I was thinking...I thought that was the motto of the right. Mindless "domination"
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Doug in Mount Vernon
October 3, 2009 1:00 PM in reply to rynato
And apparently he doesn't understand what the term "jingoist" means....
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Juble
October 2, 2009 3:31 PM
Wow! So called Americans revealing cuz an American state was denied abid to host the Olympics.Well,sure seems like Repukes are trying their best to destroy America at all cost.How sick wow!
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willum
October 2, 2009 3:31 PM
I guess it is time for Chicagoans to take names and roll up the welcome mat appropriately to make those taking joy in Chicago's loss as host to the 2016 Olympic Games feel unwelcome there.
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Minne sconsin
October 2, 2009 4:18 PM in reply to willum
Some of the events were going to be held in my state, Wisconsin.
So, hey, my fellow Cheeseheads - how do you feel about this? Are we feeling warm and friendly to Republicans?
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marty9957
October 4, 2009 2:04 PM in reply to willum
Who in their right mind would want to go to Chicago. Please.
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ivy22
October 5, 2009 9:15 AM in reply to marty9957
What rock did you crawl out from under? You have some of the creepiest logic I have ever tried to understand. Why do you hate America and your fellow Americans? Time to take a long, hard and honest look in the mirror, marty995.
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Walter Mitty
October 2, 2009 3:32 PM
Rush ripped off Drudge word for word.
I'd hope somebody would make a story out of this - the radical right were elated that Chicago lost it's Olympic bid - a bid that 84% of Americans supported - for nakedly partisan reasons.
I'd LOVE if Gibbs led off his presser with these wing nut quotes.
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justperceptions
October 2, 2009 4:11 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Seriously,
Why not explain that there's a political agitator movement in America that's out of their minds and will be provoked into inflammatory rhetoric anytime they imagine it up. They call it satirizing, but really, it's just channeled hatred. Sad, really.
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JEP07
October 3, 2009 2:22 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
"Rush ripped off Drudge word for word."
Reconsider this; where did Drudge get his latest talking points?
From the same source as The Lump?
Why do I smell a Rove somewhere in all this?
Especially with this type of evidence of a common source that all these not-very-original wingnuts get their talking points from.
Rush may not have dredged drudge, they may both have taken their words from a common source.
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DaddyD
October 4, 2009 9:12 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
It'll be on the Daily Show. Guaranteed.
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obamaman
October 2, 2009 3:32 PM
sad--wingnuts root against America just because Obama supports our Olympic bid.
I guess the world rejected Bush when NYC lost the Olympics as well. Of course, they had rejected him long before anyway.
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Tres
October 2, 2009 3:33 PM
Which is the bigger, more resounding rebuke? The IOC eliminates Chicago as a candidate for the 2016 Olympics, despite Obama's personal appeal, or MOST of AMERICA elects Obama and ousts a Republican majority in congress in 2008 despite widespread assinine braying from the right?
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Bullsmith
October 2, 2009 3:36 PM
At first I wonder how so many on the right can so openly take glee in the failure of their fellow Americans, at the jobs lost if nothing else. But reading comments elsewhere it quickly becomes clear many don't consider Chicago worth caring about. Like New York and San Francisco.
They really are separatists. They're just too dumb to know it.
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cwnidog
October 2, 2009 5:10 PM in reply to Bullsmith
I heard it explained very succinctly this morning: No matter how much the Right claims to love America, they hate Obama more.
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rynato
October 3, 2009 4:02 AM in reply to cwnidog
Then he must be doing something right.
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Johnny-O
October 5, 2009 8:40 PM in reply to rynato
Yeah, I've been sayin' that for a year!
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mJJ
October 4, 2009 12:21 AM in reply to Bullsmith
You are so right! Imagine sny American that could be gleeful because Chicago lost the Olympics. You have to be totally un-American and filled with hate to rejoice with this news. Amazing and so Anti-American to boot!
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ivy22
October 2, 2009 3:37 PM
Real Americans would root for America.
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teemunney
October 2, 2009 3:38 PM
Has anyone seen FoxNews's homepage over the past couple of hours (I'd upload the pic but I'm at work and most image uploading stuff is blocked). Anyway, the page has the Obamas hugging juxtaposed with letdown people in Chicago with the tagline on the pic: "'O', What a Letdown". A bit earlier, it said "'O' What a Failure" instead. I'm guessing they got complaints or (gasp) someone there realized they went too far.
Seriously? Why is the right so happy about a defeat? Why do conservatives hate America?
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JEP07
October 3, 2009 1:36 PM in reply to teemunney
We will see the MSM putting the words "Obama" and "failure" together often in the near future. The harder it gets for them to manipulate his popularity ratings, the more they will heat up the rhetoric.
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maybeyeah
October 2, 2009 3:38 PM
Remember, when Atlanta hosted the Olympics in 1996 there was a home-grown terrorist attack at it. One of the Fringe Right's secret folk heroes, Eric Rudolph. 2002 had already been promised to Salt Lake City (amidst a huge bribery scandal), otherwise they would've never gotten it, not after Atlanta. And think of how many enemies the United States has today, both inside and out, how much crazier we've become. Surprise surprise they didn't give it to Chicago, the IOC is worried about another Munich or Mumbai. Maybe another "pro-lifer" will set off a bomb in the middle of a crowd. You'll notice none of those "suicide bomber" countries are ever considered, are they? A lot of the world sees us as being just another one of them.
So that's a victory for the Republicans, right?
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3star2nr
October 2, 2009 5:20 PM in reply to maybeyeah
also why would the olympics want to associate with a country that tortures and doesnt punish war criminals.
We have the republicans to thank for this awesome legacy as well
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Duck Stab
October 2, 2009 3:45 PM
Well given that the entire wingnutosphere has been throwing a perpetual temper tantrum since last November, I suppose they can get all worked up over this if they want.
It just goes to show how stupid and hyper partisan they really are. Their hatred for Obama knows no bounds at all, and this wasn't a personal rebuke against Obama, but they are trying to make it out like it is.
Oh well, little children need to crow every now and then.
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pinson
October 2, 2009 3:47 PM
This whole thing is really bizarre. Says a lot about how infantile these people are.
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A Missouri voter
October 2, 2009 4:01 PM in reply to pinson
My thought exactly. I guess I am glad that they are so easily pleased, because I like for people to be happy. Nevertheless, they sure look very childish.
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LeaningLeft
October 2, 2009 3:47 PM
Here in Indiana the stories were about how Chicago getting the Olympics would help bring money into our state as well since we pretty much border Chicago. I'm sure the same could be said for parts of Michigan. So, the Republicans are cheering that businesses in 3 states are going to lose out on millions of dollars of sales. Sounds like it would have been a pretty good economic stimulus to me. Republicans, once again, prove they are against anything that would help out the economy.
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Maritza
October 2, 2009 3:49 PM in reply to LeaningLeft
It would have brought more than $20 billion to the U.S. and >300,000 full thime jobs.
It would have been a good thing for Chicago, Illinois, the mid-west and the United States.
Cheering that the United States didn't win surely is NOT patriotic.
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Minne sconsin
October 2, 2009 4:20 PM in reply to LeaningLeft
Let's not forget Wisconsin, which would have hosted some of the events.
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Virginia
October 2, 2009 3:48 PM
As somebody pointed out on another website, this may be the best possible outcome for Obama. If Chicago had won, BO would have "owned" the Olympics as far as the righties were concerned, so any hint of a scandal, cost overrun, tax increase, etc. connected with the Olympics would have been layed at Obama's feet. At least we will be spared that. The right's schadenfreude will go on for a week or so, but the lasting image will be their rooting against American jobs.
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Maritza
October 2, 2009 4:10 PM in reply to Virginia
Exactly!
There is a great article on TIME which basically said the same thing.
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/10/02/losing-the-olympics-bid-is-good-for-obama.aspx
"But ultimately, it’s a good thing for him. As I wrote on Monday, the Olympics are notorious for running massively over budget. The organizing committees are always rife with infighting and power games as all manner of colorful cronies badger members to get their paws on some of those coveted Olympics dollars. Public support for the Olympics in Chicago itself was already lukewarm. Residents would have been facing seven years of disruptive construction and roadwork as their city raced to prepare itself. It’s a recipe for serious disgruntlement."
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gizmo
October 2, 2009 3:49 PM
A good measure of the sorry state of the Right these days is the small "victories" that they celebrate. Cheering the fact that the Olympics will not take place in Chicago makes them look anti-American and very, very small. Worse, they thought that Rep. Joe Wilson did a heroic thing when he stood up during Obama's address to Congress and blurted out an insult. Their horizons are set pretty low.
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TaraV
October 2, 2009 3:52 PM
I really keep waiting for the moment that their antics will stop shocking me. I read this article with my mouth completely agape. Rooting against America?!? Really? That's what you're going to go with? I have never been sure about Olympic bids...they frequently don't work out well for the host city. But that's not the argument they are making. They are just happy Obama didn't get what he wanted regardless of the potential good consequences.
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slb
October 2, 2009 4:19 PM in reply to TaraV
And yet, this was the party that was screaming "America First!" all last summer and fall. I knew it was a sham at the time, but I'm still always astonished at how blatantly they have dumped it.
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rbeats
October 2, 2009 3:54 PM
What do expect from people who glorify mediocrity and vilify those who strive to push the human potential?
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Schmed
October 2, 2009 3:55 PM
So, Republicans are rejoicing that all of the thousands of jobs that the Olympics bring will now be unavailable to the unemployed in Chicago (particularly ironic since that's what Newt is harping on) and all of the tourist and projects $$$ for the local economy will flow to leftist Rio. Why do the Republicans hate America?
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Bullsmith
October 2, 2009 3:57 PM
You know if you ask a Republican to list their achievements since the election, they will respond with a small number of what are, in fact, failures. The party of "No" has currently redefined success for themselves as failure by others.
Wasn't very different under Clinton, and the worst thing is that while he did achieve some significant things by 'triangulating' he also moved the center right as he did so. And now a significant portion of the Republican party seems to have gone so far Right they've lost contact with reality.
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again
October 2, 2009 3:58 PM
Clearly the right is off the wall, and we can ourselves revel in their idiotic reveling.
But to be honest, as one of tens of thousands who have been fighting for real health care reform, it's clear to me that the President's priorities were massively confused in going abroad to fight for this while the public option was left to fend for itself.
While he was there, there was a Senate Fin Comm vote, as we all know. And as we all know, a little pressure from the White House might have swayed a few more senators.
I'm sorry guys, but this onus is on our guy.
The fact that the right is idiotic doesn't change the fact that Obama had larger responsibilities which he has largely abandoned. It doesn't mean I don't want to piss on the right (I do) but I'd rather not have to... I'd rather a President who fights for the things he initially proposes. Let's not forget he was once smartly for single payer, and abandoned that, too, perhaps wisely, for the public option. But at this point to have let a strong public option to fade is inexcusable.
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TaraV
October 2, 2009 5:08 PM in reply to again
Sorry, but you sound a lot like a concern troll with that post. Obama leaves for how many hours to make a pitch in Copenhagen while also meeting with McChrystal and somehow he's abandoned his post? Good lord, people are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time - especially this guy. You may think he should have been more actively involved in twisting arms in the Senate Finance committee but his going to Copenhagen has nothing to do with that.
And, no, he never has been for single payer. He answered a questionaire onece that he liked the idea in theory. He has never believed it would actually work here. The man is very much a realist...incredibly pragmatic...much to the dismay of liberals. That's the man we elected and if folks didn't recognize that then now you have plenty of evidence.
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cwnidog
October 2, 2009 5:20 PM in reply to TaraV
To tell the truth, I think Again was just just judging by the standards of 2001- 2008, where the occupant of the Oval Office couldn't even do one thing at a time.
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October 2, 2009 5:24 PM in reply to cwnidog
cwindog,
That's not my point. I didn't work for Obama because he was Bush! The fact that 2001-through 2008 was the lowest point in US history doesn't mean that I don't hold my President to his promises.
I didn't support Obama because I wanted an icon. I voted for Obama because I agreed with his policies and believed that he would fight hard for them.
But I don't see that happening with the public option.
It's not healthy for him or for us to withhold sane judgment. That doesn't mean you run around depicting him in awful ways like the right has, but it does mean you hold him to the standards and promises he presented.
He needs to be held to his promises. A fan club, he doesn't need.
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October 2, 2009 5:21 PM in reply to TaraV
Sorry, Tara, but disagreeing with the majority doesn't necessarily make anyone a troll.
And while I clearly noted that it might have been a wise move to push for the public option instead of single payer, Obama has very clearly left the public option to fend for itself.
I worked for the Obama campaign, and I knew it would be difficult after he won office, not only because there were big fights ahead, but because there were so many willfully naive followers who wouldn't hold him to ANY of his promises.
If that makes me a troll in your eyes, so be it, but that is a very shallow conclusion.
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TaraV
October 2, 2009 5:33 PM in reply to again
By all means hold his feet to the fire on the public option. But don't succumb to the right wing meme that somehow going to Copenhagen equates to abandoning duties at home. He's not an arm twister, OK? Even if he'd stayed here instead of going, he wasn't going to do that. That's the man you worked to get elected....always was.
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October 2, 2009 5:39 PM in reply to TaraV
I'm not succumbing to a "right wing meme" and I understand your concerns. But I'm also aware on the week he went, the Senate Fin Comm had a vote. An important vote.
And if he had been supporting the public option all summer, instead of popping up only once in a while (and I can't say there's been real support this fall, either!) then I wouldn't feel so upset.
I'm not one of those people who thought he was diluting the power of the Presidency by doing all those Sunday talk shows - I wanted him blasting from every radio and TV at least once a week this summer in support of health care reform with a strong public option. So I was glad he did that.
But I wasn't happy that he went to Copenhagen - the Olympics cost cities more than they bring in, so it made him look frivolous. Yes, I know it was only for a short visit, and he flew overnight to get there.
But if that much energy had been expended on Monday for the Sen Fin Comm vote... well, you either do or do not understand why Copenhagen grates on me.
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Stroszek
October 2, 2009 11:32 PM in reply to again
Obama was overseas for a couple of hours. He left more than 24 hours after the Senate Finance Committee held a vote. In fact, he left after the Senate Finance Committee had completed the mark-up process altogether. You are woefully uninformed.
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JEP07
October 3, 2009 2:05 PM in reply to again
Again, I have to add my own voice to the suspicions that you are either a very subtle troll, either that, or you are a naive leftist, who imagines your opinion should be the law of the land, and Obama's supposed to dictate that law somehow into reality..
While I would probably agree with your ideology, and that it should be the law of the land, I would never assume to blame Obama for any of this, nor would I call his style anything but masterful chessmanship, in the face of historic odds.
Blaming Obama for the failure of Congress to support the public will is a very lazy approach to these problems, if you AREN'T a troll.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
October 3, 2009 2:57 PM in reply to again
Yes, he just totally abandoned his duties. What with Air Force One having absolutely no communications facilities and being so small he had to leave the staff behind and all, it was just a totally lost day, like when all of us fly coach.
Seriously, just stop it. Presidents always talk about how much more work they get done on Air Force One than they do when their in the Oval. The plane just about has better communication and data facilities than the White House does and getting everybody into closer proximity seems to improve the working environment. There wasn't a goddamned thing he could have done on any issue in DC that he couldn't get done on the trip, so just give it a rest.
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AJM
October 4, 2009 7:52 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Chill.
I suppose that it would be a little much to ask Obama to share the secret of how he walks on water but do you think you could get someone to get him to share his miracle cure for jet lag?
If the presidents as a group say they get more done on Air Force one they are not controlling their work environment in the Oval Office optimally.
The point of more effectiveness when in closer proximity is true and is the basis of the complaint by those who would rather that he had stayed home and lobbied the Senate on health care reform.
It is clear that President Obama was spending time and energy on working for the Olympics. It is fair to argue about whether the expenditure was well chosen -- it is absurd to argue that it didn't take time and energy away from alternative activities.
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ARG in Chicago
October 2, 2009 5:23 PM in reply to TaraV
Yes, the idea that Obama took his eye off the ball to go over to Copenhagen is complete bullshit -- again.
-- ARG
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October 2, 2009 5:26 PM in reply to ARG in Chicago
Be that as it may, arg, but is it true or not that Obama has not given sufficient support for the public option.
If not Obama, then it should be Rahm.
But both have been absent.
Like I said, criticizing the President on just cause doesn't make you a troll, or a right-winger. It simply means you think it's better for him and everyone else if he hews as closely to what he promised as possible.
And I think he's failing in substantial measure in support of the public option.
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TaraV
October 2, 2009 5:38 PM in reply to again
Here's the thing. Obama promised healthcare reform. As part of that, he advocated for a public option. What if (and I don't know if this is true of not) but what if the two are mutually exclusive? They have better sight of this than I do. I think the public option is a great idea but clearly the man we elected is an incremental realist and he will not abandon health care reform as a whole for the public option in particular.
I don't know. I reserve judgement on it. I certainly don't know how to sheppard legislation through. There are times I wish the Dems would just shove it through the way the Rs did - but then again, I knew when I supported Obama that that wasn't his approach.
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October 2, 2009 5:45 PM in reply to TaraV
Of course, I too knew that it wasn't his approach to ram anything down anyone's throats.
That's not my point, and if I didn't make it clear, it's my fault. Please let me try to explain.
66 to 76% of the US public, and over 3/4 of physicians, support the public option.
Had Obama been more vocal and supportive of the public option in the spring and summer, it would be seen for what it is - an incremental change.
Instead, he lay down and let the right take over. And how convenient was that for the insurance companies?
But don't take my word for it - ask Dr. Marcia Angell of Harvard, or Robert Reich of UCB, or Ellen Shaffer of EQUAL.... Or check the August 6 cover story of BusinessWeek "The Health Insurers Have Already Won."
Look, FDR ran into opposition, too. And he reveled in fighting it. That's not to be expected of Barack, I understand, but neither is lying down and letting them run over you.
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JEP07
October 3, 2009 2:59 PM in reply to again
"Had Obama been more vocal and supportive of the public option in the spring and summer, it would be seen for what it is - an incremental change."
"it would be seen" by whom?
You have an interesting opinion here, but you speak it as certitude, not opinion. You assume a great deal of authority, and thereby risk a loss of credibility, by stating it as a fact, rather than an opinion.
It is certainly worth consideration, and I tend to agree with you, but not everyone else would agree with you, too many brainwashed people would not likely "see" it the way you do, especially if they're in the teabagger school of political disinformation.
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AJM
October 4, 2009 6:29 PM in reply to JEP07
Once President Obama gave his health care speech support of the public option did go up. QED.
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coltraning
October 3, 2009 8:00 PM in reply to again
actually, FDR backed down and cut spending in 1937 and, according to Nobel laureate Paul Krugman, that choice gave us another 4 years of recession. he did it to pay back his rich friends...FDR was very much a split the difference guy. Many were calling for bolder action, and he had enough of a majority in both houses that he could have passed just about anything he wanted in 1937. Instead he retrenched. I know he has been lionized in retrospect, and certainly did many good things that we still benefit from, but he was an incrementalist and a triangulator in many ways...
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AJM
October 4, 2009 6:31 PM in reply to coltraning
And the policy outcomes were better when he didn't do this.
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truthspeaker
October 3, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to again
I don't know what to make of your complains. Again I will ask, have you ever heard of 'FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE'. How much have you done to influence those senators, who for reasons known only to them, that the public option is what Americans want?. Did you collect some of the horror stories from your fellow citizens and fax them to the 'august' panel, or is this just about BO?. I swear, if you're not a closet republican, then you are just a shit disturber. Contribute to the dialogue in a constructive way and leave the pettiness to the republicans. Thank you
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impik
October 2, 2009 6:53 PM in reply to again
Seriously? He was away for 20 hours, on a Friday, including night-time, where he would probably be SLEEPING in the White House. That's a ridiculous argument.
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bluesplashy
October 2, 2009 9:29 PM in reply to again
Give it a rest again. The man can talk on the phone can't he. He slept on the plane, talked to McCrystal and came home. Next your be whining he stopped to eat and sleep and shit while the Senate Finance Committee was meeting.
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Stroszek
October 2, 2009 11:29 PM in reply to again
Obama went to Denmark more than 24 hours after the Senate Finance Committee voted on the public option amendments. You are full of it.
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Stefanie
October 2, 2009 4:00 PM
Definitely a ridiculous thing to be cheer about. So what if Obama is from Chicago. The Olympics is not a political race, it's race of international cooperation. This is really pathetic if people are really cheering this disappointment as a victory. Do these people even realize it 2016 is seven years away? As in Obama would may not be president then? Sad, truly sad.
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GTFOOH
October 2, 2009 4:05 PM
It is hard to believe that grown men act they way they do in the Republican party. They have got to be some of the most immature people on the planet! Nothing wrong with being partisan, nothing wrong with wishing your advisary ill will. But the manner in which in manifest itself in the Republican party is beyond childish. It's scary to think that some of these people actually have kids and are responsible for teaching them right from wrong!
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The Old Grouch
October 2, 2009 4:06 PM
I'll say it: Republicans hate America. And I hate Republicans.
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Minne sconsin
October 2, 2009 4:16 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
My thoughts exactly. Why do conservatives hate America?
Hey, Rush, Glenn, Michelle, Erick -
America. Love it or leave it.
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BrewhouseBob
October 2, 2009 4:09 PM
The crazy right will oppose anything and everything Obama endorses with complete disregard for the consequences. This pleases the Republican base - that 20% of citizens who are too stupid to think for themselves. But I have to hope that the remaining 80% of Americans recognize this for what it is.
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Chesire111
October 2, 2009 4:09 PM
I am stunned - honestly stunned that these guys simply have no idea how this looks to the rest of the country. I get that they hate Obama. I get that they hate Obama more than they love America. I just can't beleive they could possibly be so completely oblivious not to realize how the public is going to react to them rooting against the United States!
Why do they hate America?
Simply breathtaking!
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Seeryer
October 2, 2009 4:17 PM
I really wish the IOC would say the reason America was not picked is becasue of the danger presented by the domestic terrorists who try to make poltical statments by setting off bombs in the Olympic village. Eric Rudolph was a right winger who tried to embarass his country becasue of Roe vs Wade. Congrats Eric, I am sure your ilk played no role in this decision. It was becasue Obama is so hated around the world. Right wingers are fukcing jokes.
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traitorjoe
October 2, 2009 4:18 PM
This is why Right Wingers will never hold on to the majority. They are so full of hate, and so proud of it, they can't help themselves. Whether it's African-Americans, Muslims, Mexicans, Jews, whatever ... They reveal themselves at every opportunity, they speak out like Tourette's Syndrome kids.
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drion97
October 2, 2009 4:19 PM
The funny part of this is how short sighted this is. Let's say Chicago won, and Mitt Romney is the President in 2016. Now picture the opening ceremonies that are really cool and big and America, and every crazy conservative would be drooling over the patriotism of the US hosting the Olympics.
Are these guys rooting for us to lose in Afganistan too?
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Minne sconsin
October 2, 2009 4:21 PM in reply to drion97
Yes. It will justify the military coup.
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Seeryer
October 2, 2009 4:22 PM in reply to drion97
2016 Summer games will be going on while the campaign for the election of 2016 will be under way. Regardless, Obama would be months away from leaving office in a lame duck status. In the mind of a right winger, "if Obama supports something it must be un-American becasue he is un-American, therefore, opposing anything he supports is the patriotic thing to do."
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Matt Jones
October 2, 2009 5:30 PM in reply to Seeryer
Heh - makes you wonder; if Obama stated a preference for a capital gains tax cut, would the Rethugs attack it? Would their entire party collapse in on itself like a black hole?
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Brooklyn Democrat
October 2, 2009 6:04 PM in reply to Matt Jones
I've been thinking along those same lines. If Obama said that every American should carry an assualt weapon in public, do you suppose that the Repbulicans would want to ban assault weapons? Obama hatred First! America Second!
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Chesire111
October 2, 2009 4:22 PM in reply to drion97
Short answer...Yes.
Slightly longer answer...As long as there's a Democrat in the White House - Yes.
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Cool Blue Reason
October 2, 2009 4:26 PM in reply to drion97
Yes.
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TrivTriv
October 2, 2009 4:20 PM
Is it possible this will hurt the Republicans in next year's Illinois Senate race? Supposedly they have a shot at Obama's former seat, but perhaps this will make trouble for whoever the GOP candidate is.
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Schmed
October 2, 2009 4:38 PM in reply to TrivTriv
The only chance they had for that see is if Burris were to run for re-election.
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DanF
October 2, 2009 4:24 PM
What a Rorschach test for the right this was. Actively rooting against an American city. I shouldn't be surprised though. They didn't root for New Orleans either.
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Minne sconsin
October 2, 2009 4:25 PM in reply to DanF
New Orleans and Chicago are Blue America. Not Real, Red America.
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slb
October 2, 2009 4:35 PM in reply to DanF
Republicans aren't too keen on large cities of any kind. New York, Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles ... they'd just as soon see them all disappear.
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Schmed
October 2, 2009 4:39 PM in reply to slb
What about Dallas? I wouldn't miss Dallas.
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RocketEngineer
October 3, 2009 11:30 AM in reply to Schmed
Or Houston.
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slb
October 2, 2009 4:24 PM
Of course the Fox anchor saw it coming -- she already had her marching orders from Roger and Rupert.
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JEP07
October 3, 2009 2:45 PM in reply to slb
Roger and Rupert.
Sounds like a slapstick comedy team.
"The News Molesters"
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Jolie Blonde
October 2, 2009 4:27 PM
The right's reaction is typical. But as a citizen of Chicago, I can say that most of us did not want the Olympics, which were being rammed down our throat by Daley and is big business pals. And it's a myth that it would have been some huge bonanza. Chicago would have been on the hook for billions and billions.
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happycozy
October 2, 2009 4:41 PM in reply to Jolie Blonde
I'm sure it would've been a headache for Chicagoans, but I think you're wrong about the cost to the city. The Olympics would've brought billions of dollars to the city starting immediately.
I'm glad that Brazil got it, though. It's shameful that a Latin American nation hasn't been allowed to host the Olympics until now.
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Capitalist War Machine
October 3, 2009 9:54 AM in reply to happycozy
Not to be nitpicky, but Brazil isn't part of Latin America. Colonized by the Portuguese, it remains culturally and linguistically distinct from the rest of Latin America. It is great that South America has finally gotten an Olympics, but Latin America's losing streak unfortunately remains unbroken.
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happycozy
October 3, 2009 4:33 PM in reply to Capitalist War Machine
Actually Brazil is part of Latin America. I've taken several graduate classes about Latin America, from history to cinema. So trust me--I know this. The region's called Latin America because the Romance languages (Spanish, Portuguese, and on some islands, French) are spoken. However, as someone noted in this thread, Mexico hosted the Olympics in 68, so I should've said South America instead of Latin America.
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Capitalist War Machine
October 3, 2009 9:55 AM in reply to happycozy
Not to be nitpicky, but Brazil isn't part of Latin America. Colonized by the Portuguese, it remains culturally and linguistically distinct from the rest of Latin America. It is great that South America has finally gotten an Olympics, but Latin America's losing streak unfortunately remains unbroken.
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trblmkr
October 3, 2009 11:46 AM in reply to happycozy
Jolie Blond: "most"? really? I doubt that. Prove it.
HappyCozy: Mexico City (decidedly Latin) 1968 Summer Games.
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Schmed
October 2, 2009 4:43 PM in reply to Jolie Blonde
It would have paid for itself over time. Very few Olympic cities don't see an eventual return on investment. Montreal is still making money off its Olympic venues and that was 33 years ago.
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mk3872
October 2, 2009 4:28 PM
In other words, conservatives are very, very patriotic ... USA! USA! ... unless there is a Democrat in the WH?
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Partisancheese
October 2, 2009 5:55 PM in reply to mk3872
believe so.
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RustyDarbonne
October 2, 2009 4:31 PM
I bet Obama is secretly very relieved. That would just be one more headache for him to deal with.
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Elizabeth2
October 2, 2009 4:47 PM in reply to RustyDarbonne
I've had that thought as well and I'm sure that to some extent it's very true. Like he doesn't have enough to worry about and he wouldn't even get the fun and glory of the event during his time in office. NEVERTHELESS, **he** supported and stood behind/beside his country to the very best of his ability, taking flack for it all the while, trying to get 100s more jobs for our economy and prestige for our nation. Meanwhile, ... (read article above).
It occurs to me that if Michelle Bachman really thinks there should be some sort of test to separate out those who hate America from those who love America, she might want to consider rating them on their reactions to this situation. It's very informative. ------- PLEASE someone ask her to make a comment on this!!! Please, please. I admit it will be hard to do better than meandering on about abortions in school (and home again by 3:30, with parents none the wiser) or asking Bernake about ACORN, but, heck, I have faith in her! (In fact, if there were an Olympics event in Idiocy, I think she might have the gold medal all locked up.)
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ARG in Chicago
October 2, 2009 5:20 PM in reply to Elizabeth2
Um... Are you assuming Obama will serve only one term as President?
When the Olympics are held in the summer of 2016, Obama will still be President, if he gets re-elected in 2012. It might have been a victory lap for him to attend the games in his home town.
And why would this have been a "headache" for the President? What on earth would the President have to do with the games, aside from possibly attending them seven years from now?
-- ARG
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October 2, 2009 5:29 PM in reply to ARG in Chicago
Arg,
It's well-known that hosting the Olympics often costs cities more revenue than it brings in.
Athens and Atlanta are but two examples.
I feel badly for Rio.
There are far more important sources of revenue we should be looking in this country besides tourism.
Rebuilding the infrastructure is one of them, getting manufacturing back is another.
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traitorjoe
October 2, 2009 4:39 PM
The Right howled he went to Copenhagen for a whole day when Obama should have been in America winning the war and creating jobs. But when Bush spent a whole month at his "ranch" ignoring the memo telling him Al Qaeda was "determined to attack the U.S. using passenger planes" that was OK.
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The Reluctant Conspiracy Theorist
October 2, 2009 5:11 PM in reply to traitorjoe
Let's take a walk down memory lane and recall Bill Clinton's stellar performance regarding Al Qaida. http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009001
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brewmn61
October 2, 2009 6:44 PM in reply to The Reluctant Conspiracy Theorist
How many world Trade Center towers fell, and how many thousands of Americans died at al Quaeda's hands when Clinton was president, you disgusting, cynical, lying, drive-by troll?
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brewmn61
October 2, 2009 6:45 PM in reply to The Reluctant Conspiracy Theorist
How many world Trade Center towers fell, and how many thousands of Americans died at al Quaeda's hands when Clinton was president, you disgusting, cynical, lying, drive-by troll?
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The Reluctant Conspiracy Theorist
October 2, 2009 7:19 PM in reply to brewmn61
If Clinton had done his job it would have been a moot point and if you had a good argument, you would not need to resort to name calling.
BTW, it's politicians in general who have made me cynical.
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traitorjoe
October 2, 2009 11:00 PM in reply to The Reluctant Conspiracy Theorist
You are a lying sack of garbage. Bush was told about Al Qaeda want to hijack planes and he ignored the warning. Then he was told Al Qaeda was responsible to ordered his staff to make up a non-existent link to Iraq. Disgusting behavior, and your defense of that makes you stupid and immoral. Did I mention you are garbage?
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trblmkr
October 3, 2009 12:02 PM in reply to The Reluctant Conspiracy Theorist
You wanna play parlor games RCT? OK
1) Gore wins Bush v. Gore, assumes presidency. 2)Keeps counter-terrorism chief Richard Clarke. 3)Knows that "al-Qaida will be your biggest security threat" (as Clinton told Bush in transition briefings). 4)Gore holds REGULAR cabinet level meetings re: counter terrorism and al-Qaida. 5)Encourages communication between CIA and FBI, FAA. 6)Two 9/11 terrorists living in San Diego that were on CIA watch list get apprehended. 7)Gore pays attention to August 6 al-Qaida memo, "shakes trees". 8)Finds out Arizona FBI agent has been warning about flight schools. 9)Gore and FBI investigate all flight schools. 10)Apprehend Atta and other 'pilots'. NO 9/11!
So, with all due respect RCT, blow it out your ass.
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Johnny-O
October 5, 2009 4:36 AM in reply to trblmkr
Trblmkr, I have been saying that for eight long, frustrating years! Good synopsis!
I consider Bush/Cheny directly responsible for what can only be described, IMHO, as criminally incompetent mismanagement and negligence that is nothing less than HUBRIS!
As far as I am concerned, the blood of thousands is on their hands - I won't even get into Cheny's shredding of the Constitution...
~Johnny
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TaraV
October 2, 2009 5:14 PM in reply to traitorjoe
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Roti2001
October 2, 2009 4:40 PM
While these right wingers are morons, it is actually a great decision for the City of Chicago.
These games would have been heavily subsidized by taxpayers and all the promised amenities would likely hurt low-income communities.
Talk to Montreal, Athens, Atlanta, Vancouver, etc... about what the Olympics have wrought--nothing but cost overruns and questionable boondoggles.
This is a great day for Chicago.
Maybe this will help the US snag the 2018 World Cup--it is a much more prestigious sporting event and the event-specific infrastructure investments are a fraction of those from the Olympics.
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Jolie Blonde
October 2, 2009 4:42 PM in reply to Roti2001
Couldn't have said it any better myself. This is a blessing for Chicago
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Schmed
October 2, 2009 4:46 PM in reply to Roti2001
I was in Montreal a few years ago. They're very proud of their venues and have activities running in them year-round. Their only problem was the Expos not drawing enough to keep up the stadium full. No surprise since soccer