In the wake of the Ft. Hood shooting last week and rampant speculation surrounding alleged shooter Nidal Malik Hasan's motives, the American Family Association has called for a ban on Muslims in the military. Mother Jones reports that the conservative Christian group has posted an article on its website by the group's Director of Issues Analysis, Bryan Fischer, who argues that the tragedy at Ft. Hood is the sign to start the ban. "This is not Islamophobia, it is Islamo-realism," Fischer says.
Under the headline, "No More Muslims in the U.S. Military," he writes:
It it is time, I suggest, to stop the practice of allowing Muslims to serve in the U.S. military. The reason is simple: the more devout a Muslim is, the more of a threat he is to national security. Devout Muslims, who accept the teachings of the Prophet as divinely inspired, believe it is their duty to kill infidels. Yesterday's massacre is living proof. And yesterday's incident is not the first fragging incident involving a Muslim taking out his fellow U.S. soldiers.Of course, most U.S. Muslims don't shoot up their fellow soldiers. Fine. As soon as Muslims give us a foolproof way to identify their jihadis from their moderates, we'll go back to allowing them to serve. You tell us who the ones are that we have to worry about, prove you're right, and Muslims can once again serve. Until that day comes, we simply cannot afford the risk. You invent a jihadi-detector that works every time it's used, and we'll welcome you back with open arms.
This is not Islamophobia, it is Islamo-realism.
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The barbarians are no longer at the gate. They're inside the fort, and it's time for the insanity to stop.
Read Fischer's whole piece here.
Joining the American Family Association in their call is Dave Gaubatz, author of Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that's Conspiring to Islamize America. Gaubatz is openly calling for a "backlash" against Muslims.
Here's Gaubatz:
Now is the time for a professional and legal backlash against the Muslim community and their leaders. Muslims know what materials are being taught in their mosques and they know many of the materials instruct young Muslims to kill innocent people who do not adhere to Sharia law.
Justin Elliott at TPMmuckraker reports that Gaubatz's comments "aren't particularly surprising, coming from a man who has called President Obama 'Muslim' and questioned the loyalty of the two Muslim members of Congress." Over at Muckraker, Justin has reported extensively on the witch hunt some Republican members of Congress have been on, inspired by Muslim Mafia.
The explicit calls for the military ban on and backlash against Muslims are exactly the kind of comments the Army chief of staff addressed in a TV interview yesterday. General George Casey, Jr., said he's worried the Ft. Hood incident and the discussion surrounding it could "cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers."
"It would be a shame -- as great a tragedy as this was -- it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well," Casey said.

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tasgator
November 9, 2009 4:35 PM
Time for the U.S. Government to strip this bunch of their tax exempt status and put them on the terrorist watch list as a known hate group. A few FBI infiltrators to keep tas on their actvities would suit me just fine, too. Have they all gone guano loco?
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JeffB
November 9, 2009 4:41 PM in reply to tasgator
If necessary should Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan be tortured?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6462
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midnight rambler
November 9, 2009 7:32 PM in reply to JeffB
Should JeffB be tortured by having his organs, starting with his genitals, progressively and slowly removed over a period of several days? If yes, should video be posted on TPM?
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seashell
November 9, 2009 8:27 PM in reply to midnight rambler
In color and with sound! Bring the popcorn, too.
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jenzinoh
November 9, 2009 4:44 PM in reply to tasgator
I'm with you there...
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Jezreel
November 9, 2009 5:18 PM in reply to tasgator
It would be impossible for me to agree more wholeheartedly, tasgator.
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numediaman
November 9, 2009 4:46 PM
I'm all for banning Muslims in the military, as long as Christians are banned as well. Let's have an All Druid Armed Forces.
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cadfile
November 9, 2009 5:03 PM in reply to numediaman
How about banning anyone with any religious thought?
I would agree to that before I agree to a McCarthy on Muslims
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Legalpenman
November 9, 2009 4:47 PM
The deaths of the soldiers and civilians at Fort Hood are tragic, just as the deaths at Columbine, Virginia Tech, Waco, and Jonestown were tragic. Any organization with "Family" in its name should know better than to compound such a tragedy by using it to whip up racial and religious hatred. The nonsense about demanding that Muslims give us a foolproof way to distinguish jihadis from moderates makes no more sense than asking self-described Christians to identify without fail which among them will frag their platoon leaders before allowing them to join the military. Extremism is never an effective response to extremism, and the folks in the American Family Association should grow up and use their heads instead of responding viscerally to whatever upsets them.
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ericf
November 9, 2009 5:02 PM
On the other hand, if this group gets its way, all anyone has to do if they want a discharge is claim to be a Muslim. Then once a civilian again, whadaya know, stopped being a Muslim.
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Waltz
November 9, 2009 5:07 PM
As long as we can do it for Christians while we're at it.
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DonS
November 9, 2009 5:14 PM
It is time, I suggest, to stop the practice of allowing conservatives to own weapons. The reason is simple: the more devout a right-winger is, the more of a threat he is to shoot an abortion doctor or take a gay out in the country and kill him. The further right a person is, the more they accept the teachings of conservative religions that these killings are divinely inspired, believe that by killing these sinners, they are "doing God's work." The murder of Dr. Tiller is living proof. And that killing was not the first religiously inspired incident involving a right-winger taking out a fellow U.S. citizen because "God told him to."
Of course, most conservatives don't shoot up fellow Americans. Fine. As soon as right-wingers give us a foolproof way to identify their wacko element from their moderates, we'll go back to allowing them to be armed. You tell us who the ones are that we have to worry about, prove you're right, & conservatives can once again own weapons. Until that day comes, we simply cannot afford the risk. You invent a nutcase-detector that works every time it's used, and we'll gladly allow you to own weapons.
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commie atheist
November 9, 2009 7:04 PM in reply to DonS
Bravo. It's amazing how easy it is to make these assholes look like the idiots that they are.
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Minnesotan
November 9, 2009 5:42 PM
Wow, apparently the folks at the American Family Association have never taken a logic class. You can't prove that you're not something (just like in grammar, you can't have a double negative). It's akin to "when did you stop beating your wife" questions. Just as how it's impossible for white males to prove they're not mentally unstable people who may shoot their fellow soldiers (as most fragging incidents in the military involve white males) so too would it be for Muslims. Thank god military leadership is fighting back against this.
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wye
November 9, 2009 5:44 PM
As a gut-level argument, Bryan Fischer’s post of 11-06-2009 (“No More Muslims in the US Military”) is easy to applaud – but to this American it … felt wrong. I wasn’t sure why, or if I was right or wrong. I had to think for a while, and this response is where I settled. Intellectual honesty demands we attempt to counter the strongest form of the "No Muslims in the Military Argument" (hereinafter, “NMMA”). We have to make a few assumptions, but let's make them in order to state the NMMA in its strongest terms:
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There are "some" Muslims, currently serving the United States Armed Forces, who are ideologically/politically/religiously (“IPR”) predisposed to attack their non-Muslim comrades (and "some," doubtless a majority, who are not so predisposed). Some may never act on this predisposition. Some may "snap" upon being harassed/humiliated due to their religion, and attack. Some may consciously determine to attack US forces as an act of war on behalf of their IPR and plan/execute an attack. The Ft. Hood attack was an example of either a "snap" or a "conscious" decision by a Muslim. We assume this for the sake of the argument, and exclude a pure case of non-IPR-related mental illness "anyone" would be capable of.
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This IPR predisposition (for lack of a better word) is specific to the Muslim fraction of the military under current prevailing geopolitical circumstances. The predisposition does not apply to other religions or the non-religious. The NMMA cannot be dismissed by suggesting that "anyone is capable of this, regardless of IPR."
We can quote Ignatieff and Franklin about a Democracy fighting with one hand tied behind its back (Democracy is nonetheless – and consequently! - stronger) and “exchanging liberty for security and deserving neither.” These are generally true, but this is not the first time an attack sharing these characteristics has occurred (though the first time on US soil) - and what if another such attack occurs, and another, and yet another? Where do we draw the line and say enough is enough, Ben Franklin be damned?
How many funerals before Muslims are discharged from the military? This discharge, once rammed through, would be found Constitutional by the Supreme Court because a compelling governmental interest would be acknowledged (probably 5-4) by the Court under its "strict scrutiny" review of discrimination against a protected class. Less-restrictive means would be argued, and rejected by the majority. This assumes such a military administrative decision even merits that level of review.
Repercussions in American society would be immense, with Muslims stigmatized and harassed throughout the nation. A movement would arise to ban the possession of firearms by Muslims (ironically pushed by the same Conservatives who go to the mat against any and all regulation of firearms). It would be a civil liberties catastrophe, de facto at least, perhaps even de jure. Some non-military American Muslims might "snap" due to this increased harassment and attack their fellow citizens.
In this attempt to mitigate the threat from a scattered few Muslims in the military, 99.999? percent of American Muslims would suffer grave injustice. What, really, would the NMMA ban accomplish? Former military Muslims consciously planning to attack US military forces would surely shift their focus to a mass-casualty civilian attack, via a home made bomb or illegally obtained handguns (assuming some law arose against Muslim gun ownership), or even by driving at high speed into a crowd. Military-serving Muslims who might have been harassed into a "snap" attack against their comrades are just as likely to be so harassed by civilians in the climate of fear and hate generated by legalized discrimination.
By enacting NMMA, it turns out we have solved nothing, and caused much harm. We have simply exchanged military targets for civilian targets, have we not? The casualties of Ft. Hood did their duty as our shield and protectors - as has happened before and may sadly happen again despite all appropriate vigilance. But for the Ft. Hood soldiers, it would have been us - assuming the Ft. Hood shooter was a conscious IPR enemy, and not simply insane. We would dishonor the dead if we responded by posthumously denying them their noble defense of the rest of us, dishonor them if we assaulted our Constitution and its ideals they swore to uphold.
wye
(cross-posted from Mother Jones comments)
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matyra
November 9, 2009 5:49 PM
OK, so Muslims are barbarians. Got it.
What an asshole-ic thing for Fischer to say.
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Lizskin
November 9, 2009 5:57 PM
Why weren't any of these "family" organizations calling for the sequestration of white Christian males after Army veterans Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols murdered 168 men, women, and small children in Oklahoma City?
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mikedrevguy
November 9, 2009 6:04 PM
Okay,
if we're going to even entertain this ridiculous notion, then I want the exclusion to be extended any person with neo-nazi/white supremacist proclivities, sympathies, or leanings because, frankly, these folks are the MUCH greater danger, IMHO!
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seashell
November 9, 2009 10:07 PM
Bryan Fischer is that whackadoodle lunatic that believes the idea for the separation of church and state came from .... wait for it ....
Hitler. No explanation on the time travel involved in making that work.
Fischer's take on the 1st Amendment is equally entertaining. It reminds me of how the birthers interpret the 14th Amendment ... very selectively.
On the other hand, no Muslims for you, US ARMY. Take that!
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Barry Schwartz
November 10, 2009 2:53 AM
Protocols of the Elders of Mecca?
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Rederth
November 10, 2009 8:08 AM
My family lives on a Native American Reservation...if anything we should ban all NON-NATIVES from the army..you know..the ones who killed off the peaceful nation that once lived here....
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