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Fox News Threatens Pink Slips For On-Screen Errors
Rachel Slajda | November 23, 2009, 2:03PM
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After a rash of mistakes and apologies over the past weeks, Fox News has sent a memo to employees announcing a new "zero tolerance" policy for on-screen errors.
FishBowlDC obtained the memo, sent last Friday, which warns mistakes could lead to written warnings, suspensions and termination.
"Please know that jobs are on the line here. I can not stress that enough," the memo reads.
Fox has had three much-noticed errors in the past few weeks. First, Sean Hannity used misleading footage to beef up attendance numbers at a Capitol Hill tea party rally -- an incident that caught the attention of the Daily Show's Jon Stewart, forcing Hannity to apologize on air.
Then, last week, one of the midday news shows aired footage of an old Sarah Palin campaign rally to show the "crowds" at her current book tour. An anchor apologized a day later, and Fox blamed a "production error."
Finally, in another segment about Palin's book, the network showed the cover of a satire book called "Going Rouge" instead of her actual memoir, "Going Rogue."
The network is also going to "zero base" its news production, according to the memo.
That means we will start by going to air with only the most essential, basic, and manageable elements. To share a key quote from today's meeting: "It is more important to get it right, than it is to get it on." We may then build up again slowly as deadlines and workloads allow so that we can be sure we can quality check everything before it makes air, and we never having to explain, retract, qualify or apologize again.
Here's the full memo:
Subject: Quality Control We had a mistake on Newsroom today when a wrong book cover went on screen during a guest segment, the kind of thing that can fall through the cracks on any day with any story given the large amount of elements and editorial we run through our broadcasts. Unfortunately, it is the latest in a series of mistakes on FNC in recent months. We have to all improve our performance in terms of ensuring error-free broadcasts. To that end, there was a meeting this afternoon between senior managers and the folks who run the daytime shows in which expectations were reviewed, and the following results were announced:‪ Effective immediately, there is zero tolerance for on-screen errors. Mistakes by any member of the show team that end up on air may result in immediate disciplinary action against those who played significant roles in the "mistake chain," and those who supervise them. That may include warning letters to personnel files, suspensions, and other possible actions up to and including termination, and this will all obviously play a role in performance reviews. So we now face a great opportunity to review and improve on our workflow and quality control efforts. To make the most of that opportunity, effective immediately, Newsroom is going to "zero base" our newscast production. That means we will start by going to air with only the most essential, basic, and manageable elements. To share a key quote from today's meeting: "It is more important to get it right, than it is to get it on." We may then build up again slowly as deadlines and workloads allow so that we can be sure we can quality check everything before it makes air, and we never having to explain, retract, qualify or apologize again. Please know that jobs are on the line here. I can not stress that enough. I will review again during our Monday editorial meeting, and in the days and weeks ahead. This experience should make us stronger editorially, and I encourage everyone to invest themselves one hundred and ten percent in this effort.
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jacabo
November 23, 2009 2:17 PM
Does this mean they are going to stop mis-labeling Republican lawmakers who get busted in some sort of scandal as Democrats?
did not think so....
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FreeRider
November 23, 2009 4:41 PM in reply to jacabo
No. That's acceptable.
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Renman42
November 23, 2009 7:40 PM in reply to FreeRider
Anyone familiar with video/audio production for TV knows there is a time code running under the footage with the date and time of the event being taped. It's almost impossible for an editor to make mistakes as to the date of the footage - certainly not repeatedly. These were not errors......
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JEP07
November 24, 2009 10:42 AM in reply to Renman42
No doubt, the real guilty parties, the Hannitys and the Malkins and the O'Riellys will never face the guillotine, some low-level staffer who was just following orders might get the axe, but I agree, this is just a front, Ailes, that old news molester, telling his staff "clean up your act for the next few months, we have an election coming up and we will need all these lies and distortions a lot more then than we need them now..."
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lapdogs
November 23, 2009 6:25 PM in reply to jacabo
Wonder if Keith Olbermann will add a new spot to his program, where he can show all the lies and people that reported them who should be fired immediately for their errors?
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masanf
November 23, 2009 7:33 PM in reply to lapdogs
Yeah, and I wonder if Keith Olbermann will add a new spot in his show where he showcases his laughably pathetic "ratings". Seriously, when a dozen people quit watching his show, it moves the Nielsens.
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Russron
November 23, 2009 7:54 PM in reply to masanf
I thought the ratings were going in Keith's direction and away from Fox? Now I could be wrong, but isn't Keith winning the key 25-54 year old demographic?
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Middleclassvotingbloc
November 24, 2009 12:05 AM in reply to masanf
This is not about Olbermann--we love him--now, take that. Ratings--don't believe the rating, believe the votes in last year's elections. You lost and will continue to lose. Murdoch and Beck can not help you. There are not enough of the right wing extreme terrorist tea baggers to win elections.
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runfastandwin
November 24, 2009 12:49 AM in reply to masanf
Bitter much? Your side is fast going down the toilet of history and not even the great Glenn Beck and indeed the entire Murdoch empire can stop it.
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ivy22
November 23, 2009 7:38 PM in reply to jacabo
That's not mislabeling Dems, that's policy.
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pv2k
November 23, 2009 2:17 PM
TRANSLATION: Cool it for awhile. The public is catching on.
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GTFOOH
November 23, 2009 2:19 PM in reply to pv2k
BINGO!
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Steaming Pile
November 23, 2009 2:29 PM in reply to pv2k
It was the book cover that triggered the response. The memo even said so. If they and their flavor of the month Sarah Palin weren't personally embarrassed on the air in this way, they'd have kept right on with business as usual.
So expect more of the same insofar as labeling embarrassing Rs as Ds, switching out crowds from larger events for embarrassingly small crowds for whatever it is they're talking about. Those aren't mistakes.
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slb
November 23, 2009 2:42 PM in reply to Steaming Pile
That was pretty much my take, too.
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kash79
November 23, 2009 2:46 PM in reply to pv2k
Translation: Don't make it too obvious;
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Russron
November 23, 2009 7:57 PM in reply to kash79
Translation: Even the "Sheeple" are laughing AT us.
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FlownOver
November 23, 2009 2:50 PM in reply to pv2k
Seriously. The new message is "We've been lying to you, so believe us now when we say we're going to stop."
Our British cousins have the proper response: "Pull the other one."
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JimmyBobby
November 23, 2009 2:58 PM in reply to pv2k
Exactly. Like a drunk who quits drinking for a while so he can get his buzz back. If they're more or less honest for a while, rebuild their reputation a little, then when they revert to type their lies will fly again -- at least for a while.
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Jackster
November 23, 2009 2:21 PM
As long as Murdoch backs Beck's "racist" statements. Don't expect anything remotely resembling ethics.
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mageduley
November 23, 2009 2:22 PM
Extra-extra translation: Lets leak this "memo" to make it look like we are attempting to fix the problem.
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free2bme
November 23, 2009 2:32 PM in reply to mageduley
Exactly
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Jimmy Blue
November 23, 2009 2:24 PM
BINGO X 2
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Schmed
November 23, 2009 2:25 PM
Heads will roll regardless of errors in truth or not: Fox is bleeding $$$ daily and any excuse to cut losses will be welcome.
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mistersnrub
November 23, 2009 2:28 PM
In the words of my Jewish grandmother: "Breh!"
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twirling fartknocker
November 23, 2009 2:30 PM
re: Fox News Threatens Pink Slips For On-Screen Errors
And if you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell ya.
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Peter Principle
November 23, 2009 2:42 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
"Kabuki (歌舞伎) is the highly stylized classical Japanese dance-drama . . . known for the stylization of its drama and for the elaborate make-up worn by some of its performers . . . Much of its [original] appeal was due to the ribald, suggestive performances put on by many troupes; this appeal was further augmented by the fact that the performers were often also available for prostitution. For this reason, kabuki was also written 歌舞妓 (singing and dancing prostitute)."
Wikipedia entry on Kabuki
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slb
November 23, 2009 2:45 PM in reply to Peter Principle
Thank you! I had never realized before how very appropriate the description "Kabuki theater" was when referring to the political scene.
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 3:33 PM in reply to slb
"stylized" = "fixed".
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Overreach THIS!
November 23, 2009 7:51 PM in reply to JNagarya
All good comments, but I think they even *wish* it were so. They're in trouble. WH has landed a punch that they're not news. They themselves are *living* every day not being news, and they are losing a lot of money. Add that they are becoming famous in the popular country for error, buffoonery, anti-intellectualism, and insanity. It wasn't like this a year ago when Obama was elected.
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 8:15 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
Oh, I agree: President Obama was smart in pointing at FOX and stating the fact that they aren't news. That he called them out for the fraud they are.
And then, after ignoring a major Presidential address, they whined that he wouldn't give them interview? Jake Tapper notwithstanding, the exposure and criticisms -- and attacks on -- their America-hating propaganda must continue until a sufficent majority not only knows they are a fraud, but also that they are a danger, a direct assault on democracy itself.
There needs to be a visceral revulsion which eventuates in a demand for restoration of the Fairness Doctrine, in view of the fact that private-for-profit media -- as FOX especially abundantly demonstrates -- are not going to actually be fair and balanced unless forced to be.
The airwaves belong to We the people; the networks and radio stations are allowed, by license, to squat on them for profits they don't share with the landlord. And, fundamentally and ultimately, cable television, as is the internet, is a public -- not private -- utility, the public commons that belongs not to those who profit from setting up their soapbox in it, but to We the people who are subjected to their soapboxed hogwash-for-money.
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JadeZ
November 23, 2009 9:26 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
what makes you think they are losing money?
because they are not.
and last time i looked fox and the white house had kissed and made up.
and if you think the network lost viewers over it you are the only one.
this memo leaked or not is only a reminder to all where the "mistakes" will be tolerated.
propaganda cant be so sloppy or even the rubes will get the joke.
and thats the only fight fox has.
they have no intention of trying to win over anyones mind.
they just dont want to lose all their viewers that dont have one.
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runfastandwin
November 24, 2009 12:51 AM in reply to JadeZ
News Corp lost $3 billon last year. Last I checked FOX NEWS was part of News Corp. You better believe they are looking to cut costs anywhere they can.
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JEP07
November 24, 2009 10:50 AM in reply to runfastandwin
runfast, isn't it a wonder that NewsCorps losses are so secret?
You really have to look to find that info, no one in the MSM seems interested in pointing out the fact that Murdoch's media empire has fallen on hard times, just like the Washinton Times, the LA Times, the list goes on and on.
And Murdoch does not have a cult church to prop up his flailing business model. Although I would imagine Palin could tweak her message just a tad bit, and she's have her own Fox-subsidizing cult formed in short order.
It wouldn't take but a few changes in her speeches to become a bona-fide cult appeal. She's only a few simple statements away from it.
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JEP07
November 24, 2009 10:55 AM in reply to JEP07
OOOOOOHHHHH!!! I just had a flash! A picture of Palin sitting next to Hannity, reading from a teleprompter, not as a candidate but as a FOX newsotainment talkking head.
I'm not saying I am clairvoyant, but she seems much more destined for a Fox News chair than the White House. And in her twisted mind, the run for the Oval Office might very well be a stepping stone on her march towards Fox stardom.
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lousgirl84
November 23, 2009 4:07 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Yeah a bridge to nowhere!! LOL
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Andreams
November 23, 2009 9:54 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
It's absolutely true - for certain mistakes.
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Matt Jones
November 23, 2009 2:31 PM
Extra-extra-extra translation: let's not get so caught up in lying to the public that we forget what the truth actually is. FFS, we screwed up Palin's book cover!
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Peter Principle
November 23, 2009 2:33 PM
To share a key quote from today's meeting: "It is more important to get it right, than it is to get it on."
Does this mean they're going to stop fabricating and misrepresenting President Obama's positions on virtually every major issue, foreign and domestic?
Didn't think so, either.
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commie atheist
November 23, 2009 3:13 PM in reply to Peter Principle
"It is more important to get it right, than it is to get it on."
I think that Marvin Gaye would disagree.
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 3:35 PM in reply to Peter Principle
It's a typoe:
"It's more important to get it right-wing, than to get it on with Sarah."
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dakerjak
November 23, 2009 2:35 PM
This memo is such bull..t!!!
Nothing but a crock...
sheer profundity....
These people think that in light of their absolute disregard for truth and fairness that they can drop an "internal memo" in an attempt to "get serious" and whip the troops into line, are absolutely certain that they have the public buffaloed.
Do Da! Do Da!
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slb
November 23, 2009 2:48 PM in reply to dakerjak
Profundity?
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dakerjak
November 23, 2009 3:49 PM in reply to slb
"deeply profound"....but a term used by David Crosby to describe a situation that might garner the response "WTF!!!" . You had to have been there.
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fitley
November 23, 2009 2:36 PM
Memo to Mr./Ms. Obvious: Don't be so damn obvious. Mr. Beck however may continue to be a braying Jackass. OK and BillO too. But other than that, you've been warned. Don't make me fire the monkeys who write copy, they're too cute and the job market for monkey's is brutal.
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free2bme
November 23, 2009 2:36 PM
At first I thought they are admitting that they have no controls on their editorial content. And I was amazed that they admitted to trying to improve "Editorially", but not "Journalistically".
But after reading a couple of posts, I am enlightened to believe that this is just all a smoke screen. They have been caught and will do temporary damage control. But when the policy issues heat up again, we will see the same old FakeNews. We shall see if anyone ever gets reprimanded or fired. If they do, they will have to hire a lot of people, because the imcompetence happens hourly. Also, how do you fire someone if they were just following orders. That would be a huge lawsuit.
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lets vote already
November 23, 2009 4:57 PM in reply to free2bme
I wonder if there will be transparency, i.e., names of those fired for their misdeeds?
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fitley
November 23, 2009 2:37 PM
Memo to Mr./Ms. Obvious: Don't be so damn obvious. Mr. Beck however may continue to be a braying Jackass. OK and BillO too. But other than that, you've been warned. Don't make me fire the monkeys who write copy, they're too cute and the job market for monkey's is brutal.
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Pete Bilderback
November 23, 2009 2:46 PM
I interpret this to mean that next time an indicted Republican does not "mistakenly" have a "[D]" after their name, someone is going to get fired.
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 3:40 PM in reply to Pete Bilderback
I think it means that it's getting very close to the time that Senators Ensign (R-NV) and Coburn (R-OK) switch parties to Democratic (D)
Is it too late for Sanford (R-SC) to switch?
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WoodyD
November 23, 2009 5:44 PM in reply to JNagarya
>Is it too late for Sanford (R-SC) to switch?
According to Fox News, he already did.
http://world-o-woody.blogspot.com/2009/06/another-day-another-gop-sex-scandal.html
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JNagarya
November 23, 2009 5:52 PM in reply to WoodyD
Oh shit! I'm behind on my news about reality again because I've neglected to watch FOX!
I'll be kicking myself for the next week.
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davcbr
November 23, 2009 2:50 PM
Just a question...
What is it that they are so concerned about. Did they not walk into a courtroom a few years ago and claim a constituional right to lie to their viewers? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre]
So why does any of this matter?
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NobleCommentDecider
November 23, 2009 2:50 PM
Its an outrage!
Its a liberal smear campaign! Its unAmerican! Socialists dictating truth!
There are Real Americans who depend on the make-believe news at Fox to reinforce their holier than thou fantasy world!
How dare they do this! This calls for another Tea Party, CHIHUAHUA AND I WANT OUR FOX NEWS AND HANNITY BACK THE WAY THEY WERE AND NOW!!
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Overreach THIS!
November 23, 2009 5:51 PM in reply to NobleCommentDecider
You tell 'em!
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Shoto
November 23, 2009 2:56 PM
So does this mean that they'll also stop lying by omission, which they do all day, every day? I'm guessing not...
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Hoopoe
November 23, 2009 2:59 PM
I wonder if they're photoshop guy is secure.
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Shoto
November 23, 2009 3:00 PM in reply to Hoopoe
He'd better have an airtight contract, or it's time to renegotiate...
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msirt
November 24, 2009 1:58 AM in reply to Hoopoe
Maybe an ally behind enemy lines?
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stefsstuff
November 23, 2009 3:06 PM
Who at clusterfocks is going to determine what they believe to be true? Their truth isn't the same as the majority of smart, thinking, compassionate human beings.
It mentions "news", so does that include the likes of Beck, Hannity, and Billo? If so, they should be gone by the end of the week.
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Ghost
November 23, 2009 3:06 PM
Is it ironic or just interesting that the memo announcing a zero tolerance policy for mistakes contains an obvious mistake?
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SkippyFlipjack
November 23, 2009 3:07 PM
It's funny that the little error that negatively affected Palin is the error that demanded action. The big "errors" affecting Palin et al in a positive way were apparently acceptable.
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ArmChairPol
November 23, 2009 3:12 PM
What a GREAT RATINGS HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every Tom, Dick and Greta Van Sestran who removed Fox News from their cable box "Channel Lists" in order to avoid even to looking at those guys faces will now be pouring over hours of Tivo tapes trying to catch the next badly photoshopped pic shown over there.
If the President of the network can go back on the record and deny saying what he said on on his own network less than a week earlier, do you really believe that he cares about the number of errors on the morning show?
I'll donate $1,000 to the Free Clinic cause for every firing that comes out of this whole thing.
Fox only fires for competance and journalistic integrity. Shepard Smith, don't lose the toothpaste cap buddy. Your days are numbered???
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LeeJo
November 23, 2009 3:14 PM
In other words:
Memo
From: Fox News Management
To: Propaganda and Production staff
Re: Watch your visuals- script still need not be accurate
In as much as we have been exposed in our efforts to visually enhance the stories we make up for reporting everyone is now on notice that any future incidents where you get caught using visual back drops which are traceable to events other than what is being reported on will be scolded or perhaps placed in time out for an appropriate period of time.
You are also placed on notice that this directive does not in anyway alter our previous directives to use script for your programs that put anyone all moderates and progressives in the worst possible light. You are further directed to provide criticism free coverage of those who carry the message of the far right, as long as they continue to denounce the use of reason and logic as legitimate problem solving techniques.
Thanks,
Your Fair and Balanced
Fox News Minister of Propaganda
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Atlas Scruggs
November 23, 2009 3:15 PM
Pure Kabuki.
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dzonko
November 23, 2009 3:20 PM
"Mistakes by any member of the show team that end up on air may result in immediate disciplinary action against those who played significant roles in the "mistake chain," and those who supervise them.... So we now face a great opportunity to review and improve on our workflow and quality control efforts."
You have to admire the candid embrace of doublespeak: they don't even try to mask the fact that "opportunity" here means "threat."
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Quackers
November 23, 2009 3:30 PM
Anyone notice they're only talking about visuals and nothing about stopping reporting speculation and spin as straight news? The stuff they want to fix might be embarrassing them, but it's not what gave them their reputation as an infotainment channel.
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ArmChairPol
November 23, 2009 3:35 PM
LeeJo,
Something more like:
Hear Yeah, Hear Yeah,
The more controversy, and in turn ratings that you can dredge up with those errors, the bigger your severance package will be if we are actually forced to sacrafice you!
I believe it was last Tuesday that Lawrence O'Donnell sat in for Olberman on Countdown. To my greate surprise and pleasure he had longer segments, more news and much richer debate with the guests because he didn't try and replicate the Worst and Best Persons in the world (which is of course filled with Foxites). The only way that I realized it is because I didn't eat dinner. I was actually glued to every minute of the broadcast because it was filled with more real content. I hearn more about what goes on at Fox News from MSNBC than from any other news source out there. And who benefits? Fox News!!!
Would this "Tree, Falling in the Woods" be a story if no-one reported on it???
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DownriverDem
November 23, 2009 3:36 PM
With the dawn of the internets, folks on the right just never got what that could mean for the truth! Their viewers are not up to date on issues and only believe what Fox tells them. They must be very confused right now.
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draftedin68
November 23, 2009 3:38 PM
Yet another translation...
"Listen up you pee-ons. That rumbling sound you hear is a giant shitball."
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dweb823
November 23, 2009 3:52 PM
The only thing that would convince me these were errors, is if someone from Fox could produce a convincing explanation of how weeks or even year-old file footage gets "added" or "edited" into a same-day or second day coverage of an event where the cameraman obviously took crowd shots then. Just how does an editor or producer mix up footage from the current event with footage from something that happened a year ago.
"Oh....I just had it lying on my console and grabbed it by mistake?"
I don't think so. This was clearly based on a "malice aforethought" decision by someone to make things look "beefier" with bigger crowds than were actually on hand.
What's really funny (tragic) is that even though they've gotten caught at this time after time, they keep doing it again and again, apparently because they operate by the philosophy that no matter whether or not you are caught, repetition of the lie ultimately helps you achieve your goals of altering reality. Fox is a pure propaganda machine and they aren't driven by principles of journalism, fairness or balance.
Witness WMDs and the "smoking gun" rationale for going to war.
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JohnW1141
November 23, 2009 3:54 PM
If FOX starts playing it straight they'll lose 75% of their viewers
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warrencassell
November 23, 2009 3:58 PM
Anyone know who wrote the memo?
Warren
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davemartin7777
November 23, 2009 3:58 PM
What BS, they just got caught... again.
Of course there is no mention of Fox News producer Heidi Noonan firing up that right-wing tea-bag crowd.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/fox-news-producer-caught_n_292529.html
"If FOX starts playing it straight they'll lose 75% of their viewers."
Isn't that the truth, those people love to be lie to as long as it's right-wing propaganda.
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Bill E Pilgrim
November 23, 2009 4:00 PM
And in the days that followed, FOX News rejected every story that couldn't be found to have at least some truth in it, rejected the "some say" innuendo made up of lies and rumors from their own network or just of whole cloth...
....and in the end, they realized that there was nothing left, except a sneering smile, still spewing lies, hovering in the air, and then slowly that disappeared too.
"Heavens!" Alice said "A network without a lie I've seen many times, but a lie without a network! It's the most curious thing I've ever seen in my life!"
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lapdogs
November 23, 2009 4:02 PM
Looks like Rupert had better start hiring new people real fast if FAUX is going to live up to this threat.
At the rate FAUX puts mis-information on their screen or sheets of paper for their talking heads to use for cheat sheets, while doing their "reporting", there's going to be nobody left.
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GregoriusU
November 23, 2009 4:05 PM
Naturally, the memo was only written AFTER they'd made the mistake on Sarah Palin's book news item. After all, HarperCollins is a Murdoch-owned enterprise!
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davemartin7777
November 23, 2009 4:16 PM
Fox News producer Heidi Noonan firing up right-wing tea-bag crowd:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/fox-news-producer-caught_n_292529.html
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RectoNoVerso
November 23, 2009 4:20 PM
Call me stupid. I will never believe that the incident on Hannity’s show was a mistake.
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Milton Wiltmellow
November 23, 2009 4:24 PM
Good timing.
Stewart and Colbert are off the air for two weeks.
So here's the segment I'd like to see. Lead with the memo. Review the errors. Review a few other errors going back over the years. Congratulate Fox for a new editorial policy. Then deconstruct Beck's claims and wonder why he's allowed to make factual errors the others are no longer allowed.
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theWalrus
November 23, 2009 4:25 PM
Fox wants to ensure "error-free broadcasts"???? That means they have to shut down 95% of their shows (commercials making up the remaining 5%).
Well, I guess it was fun while it lasted. Back to Hee Haw reruns!
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davemartin7777
November 23, 2009 4:27 PM
Spot on... LeeJo @ 3:14 PM
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JimmyBobby
November 23, 2009 4:33 PM
I guess I missed something. How does this memo increase support for the Beck/Palin wing of the GOP?
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fitley
November 23, 2009 4:50 PM
New Improved Fox News now with Strawberry Flavored Truth Nuggets.
Yummy Yum Yum. If you order in the next 15 minutes we'll throw in this MP3 player with flashing bullshit detector. Look it's not flashing.
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Jackster
November 23, 2009 5:28 PM
With the help of Gen. Stewart, the Whitehouse has won, if not the war, a major battle.
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jeffgee
November 23, 2009 5:47 PM
Maybe they took Sarah Palin's admonition to "stop makin' stuff up!"
Except she wasn't talking about Fox News.
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jjdjjd
November 23, 2009 5:51 PM
sorta reminds me of when '60 minutes' or one of those news shows set a chevy on fire and then claimed it could kill you. of course they set the truck on fire BEFORE the camera was on, and then claimed it has been rear-ended. seems to me fox had good teachers. plus, all you experts here on fox news, just change the channel. if you know fox news is bad, why watch it? 2 things i don't get about liberals is why they watch fox, and why they pay so much attention to sarah palin. if you didn't they would just disappear. i watch maddow on msnbc, but olberman is not allowed in my house. thus, he doesn't exist.
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Forrest
November 23, 2009 6:30 PM in reply to jjdjjd
We don't watch it, because we can't stomach it.
There are, however, people that watch it, and they actually believe some of the garbage that is being spewed. The 'production errors' of video footage are just the easiest 'errors' to spot. What's actually being said is much harder to fact check, both for its accuracy and its completeness.
Yet people still watch and listen. They believe it, because they want to believe it. Fox is a major player in the Conservative Echo Chamber. Frankly they're doing the conservative movement a disservice, as eventually things in this country WILL improve.
If that happens while Democrats are still in power, what will the conservative movement have left? There won't be nearly so much to be afraid of, and right now the movement is running solely on fear. Rather than honestly reporting and commenting on how conservative principles could help this country, and why conservatives should again be in power, they're stoking the fire of discontent. When naught but ashes are left of that fire, they'll have nothing, and the movement will languish in obscurity until the next great crisis.
But I guess that's par for the course these days. Why work to build something long term when you can cash out today? Corporate policy applied to the 'news', and it's apparently working.
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jjdjjd
November 23, 2009 6:43 PM in reply to Forrest
2 points i would like to address, there are those that watch msnbc and believe that crap and the country has no chance of recovery while liberals are in charge. liberals do not create jobs, [ i mean the hard core left] obama is baffled by economics 101, let alone how to get a country working again. no, forrest, the economy will recover when the government gets the hell out of the way. you wanna GM? go ahead, but it won't create any jobs, and frankly, is just putting off the final' going out of business' sale. maybe another democrat like hillary could've saved our country, but not obama. there is no 'there' there. just a good talker, not a do'er.
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jjdjjd
November 23, 2009 6:44 PM in reply to jjdjjd
and i voted for him
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Scott in PacNW
November 23, 2009 7:37 PM in reply to jjdjjd
Empirically false.
Historical data you won't like: http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/gdp.htm
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jjdjjd
November 23, 2009 7:55 PM in reply to Scott in PacNW
context scott, i said the 'hard core left'. don't be like fox news and leave out stuff.
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Scott in PacNW
November 24, 2009 1:38 AM in reply to jjdjjd
I stand by my statement. Don't try to blame me if you can't stand by yours.
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jjdjjd
November 24, 2009 9:00 AM in reply to Scott in PacNW
of course you stand by your statement. you have a closed mind. you will not change it until obama tells you to.
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Scott in PacNW
November 24, 2009 4:47 PM in reply to jjdjjd
Wait. First I'm like Fox for, um, citing facts? Now I'm an Obama robot for, um, what -- not backing down after disproving your statement? LOL!
Hey well, kudos to you: You defend your initial ad hominem attack with (wait for it) two more rounds of ad hominem attacks! At least you're consistent. ;-P
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Forrest
November 23, 2009 8:04 PM in reply to jjdjjd
Here's the thing, though - the 'hard core left' is not in charge of this country, as much as Fox News and its cohorts would lead you to believe. If they were, the Senate would be debating Single Payer right now instead of Health Insurance Reform.
I'd like to have a reasonable debate with you, but you're spewing talking points from the Conservative Echo Chamber, so it would be a pointless endeavor. Scott provided you some proof, and you dismiss it by uttering another falsehood. That would continue until I got sick of your raving, and we'd both have wasted a lot of time.
When you wake up from your fear-induced stupor, let us all know so we can start taking you seriously.
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jjdjjd
November 23, 2009 8:25 PM in reply to Forrest
and the name calling begins.
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CEOsMustGo
November 23, 2009 9:21 PM in reply to jjdjjd
I don't know, I read and re-read the comment you are replying to and I don't see any derogatory name calling.
Oh, wait you're a conservative, you were lying to deflect attention away from the argument you're currently losing.
Carry on.
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jjdjjd
November 23, 2009 9:38 PM in reply to CEOsMustGo
called me a conservative
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jjdjjd
November 23, 2009 8:45 PM in reply to Forrest
as for my fear-induced stupor, i predict that in 6 months i will deny i voted for obama, in a year you will. difference is i'm retired and set finacially, you will be out of work. i win.
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JEP07
November 24, 2009 11:00 AM in reply to jjdjjd
Losers never win, they just convince themselves their losses were victories.
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Overreach THIS!
November 23, 2009 6:14 PM
I don't think it is totally Kabuki.
If things ease up for them, yeah, naturally they'll be totally back to 100% insanity. But I think the White House has called them on their shit, they are themselves obligingly proving themselves to be laughing stocks, things start hemmorhaging, and they see the red ink and also a systemic threat.
The meme is really out there now, right? Fox is not news. White House said it. WH has been idiotically sniped at by obliging horse's asses like Washington Post's Howard Kurtz, but the charge has not been effectively rebutted. What they broadcast is wrong, factually and in context. Again and again. I think it's getting to them.
It's obvious that some of them view their roles as the purest propagandists: their guys are speaking? Show a big crowd! Any big crowd! They're starting to worry that this is not sustainable.
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lapdogs
November 23, 2009 6:20 PM
My name is "Thomas". I'll believe it when I see it.
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moodypeterg
November 23, 2009 7:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Going Rouge/Rogue slipup was intentional and a way to claim that its errors are neutral.
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Forrest
November 23, 2009 8:08 PM in reply to moodypeterg
I don't think it's that insidious. My guess is some production assistant doesn't know how to read, and liked the picture on 'Going Rouge' better than the one on 'Going Rogue', and so you have the mixup.
Or maybe said production assistant really dislikes Sarah Palin and so decided to slip that one in. Surely some people on the right have to be afraid of her.
My guess is that the memo (it's not a policy until it's been enforced IMO) is wholly motivated by this particular slip-up, though. While the errors are in favor of their agenda, they're willing to let them go, or even defend them in court. In this case the angry phone calls and letters they surely received from Sarah's Faithful made them respond.
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JEP07
November 24, 2009 11:05 AM in reply to Forrest
"Surely some people on the right have to be afraid of her."
But isn't that what they consider power? What was it Palin's pa said, something to the effect "the world feared us before,. now because of Obama they aren't afraid of us any more"..?
Fear is a Republican tool, and they have proven even their own will get eaten if they don't join in the feast themselves. Like a pack of hungry wolves, they are turning on each other because the carcass (broad popular electoral support) is getting down to the bone.
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Willa Standing
November 23, 2009 7:57 PM
I agree with most here that this is a tactic, not a policy change. There have been thousands of errors since the inception of this propaganda machine of right wing crazies first came on the air, and there is not a rat's ass chance in hell that they will actually change their ways. This is cover, nothing more. Rupert Murdoch is the living soul of yellow journalism, and won't have it any other way.
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Joe
November 23, 2009 8:18 PM
19th Century Fox has lied too many times for us to believe anything they say!
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CatM
November 23, 2009 8:22 PM
You forgot one! Last week they put an "R" for Republican after Joe Lieberman's name...
Oh wait, maybe that was not actually a mistake...
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BrianSkuse
November 23, 2009 8:41 PM
HA HA jerk-ball fox news retarded poop-fer-brains and their IDIOT audience.
Obama and Gibbs dropped a few carefully measured remarks about Fox news and now their credibility is never far from anyone's mind.
Fox News is a clown car packed with clowns that never stop pouring out.
People actually watch that crap ... amazing
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BrianSkuse
November 23, 2009 8:53 PM
HA HA HA excuse me very much - still howling over here - they want to stop making 'mistakes' at that ridiculous fake news place.
Oh, CHORTLE !!
Oh dear, be careful - do not make any MISTAKES - especially the kind you make by accident.
Oh, do be so very very careful !! Some unbelievable bad nonsense may get on the 'news' ...
* G U F F A W *
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East Sider
November 23, 2009 9:23 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/23/fox-pie-chart/
Ummmm, should we be expecting a pink slip in the morning?
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Weeferdog
November 23, 2009 9:38 PM
Hey Masanf: Good one. And when each day's obituaries come out, hundreds more Fox viewers have croaked of old age. It too 'moves the Nielsens,' not to mention the stock of funeral homes up and adult diapers down.
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Weeferdog
November 23, 2009 9:40 PM
Oh Iidjdd: Clinton: 22 million jobs created. Bush: about 18 million fewer. Over decades: GDP, stocks, job growth all higher under Democrats.
You're an idjit all right.
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jjdjjd
November 24, 2009 2:57 AM in reply to Weeferdog
i know clinton created lots of jobs, i had 7 of them.
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budzilla
November 24, 2009 5:27 AM in reply to jjdjjd
Are you still late for work all the time?
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jjdjjd
November 24, 2009 9:01 AM in reply to budzilla
retired. i win
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unknowncitizen
November 23, 2009 9:44 PM
Why does Fox bother? Calling yourself "Fair and Balanced" when you have guys on your payroll calling a black President a racist, who's audience is hardly balanced among races and genders says it all.
Seriously, how can they keep a straight face with this new concern toward scapegoating low level producers when their propaganda narratives aren't carefully vetted for smoking gun evidence of bias?
Hey, all you guys sweating down there in the boiler room: keep churning out the right wing narrative- our mostly white, mostly rightwing audience eats that shit up and advertisers pay a fortune for time - just don't get caught showing our bias toward them - bad form and it gives our enemies proof we are cooking up a rightwing narrative. And remember we're looking for any underground cryptic, coded info on new ways to imply the President is a muslim terrorist born in Kenya who wants to replace American workers with illegal brown people without coming right out and saying that, that's friggin' ratings gold! - but make sure you don't make any provable mistakes that show bias.
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Middleclassvotingbloc
November 23, 2009 11:51 PM
Yea, sure, who does Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch think they are kidding. The whole of FOX's so call news is made up of nothing but lies. This memo was no more than a ploy leaked to make some believe that all of the made up stories and crowds were mistakes. This has been going on for years. How can you make corrections to so call news programing that starts with made up lies and ends with made up lies 24/7? The answer--you can't. Don't believe anything that comes from FOX it is all lies including this so call memo to the staff.
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Texar
November 23, 2009 11:53 PM
Fox management doth protest too much. This is an obvious smokescreen constructed to buy a little deniability next time.
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Middleclassvotingbloc
November 23, 2009 11:59 PM
Don't forget what happens when FOX's bull dogs brave the truth concerning negative incidents that might have happened to a Republican--they make the "mistake" and put a Democrat's' tag by the name. Some mistake. These people are rotten through and through, to the core and can not be re-defined as anything else. You would think that Murdoch, in his old age, would be ready to stop the hate and lies.
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Middleclassvotingbloc
November 24, 2009 12:01 AM
the producers did not make a mistake--it was all intentional, it is always intentional.
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Middleclassvotingbloc
November 24, 2009 12:09 AM
FOX just should be taken off the air--and all of the hate mongers with it.
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jjdjjd
November 24, 2009 2:59 AM in reply to Middleclassvotingbloc
yeah, that 1st amendment is a bitch, isn't it?
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wake up
November 24, 2009 11:01 AM in reply to jjdjjd
Agreed. Besides, I'd rather have them all in one place.
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planetspinz
November 24, 2009 1:20 AM
But whose heads will roll when WTFUX UPNEWS creates/makesup news - like the Beck TeaGagger propaganda parades?
Maybe WTFUX is making room for Lou Dobbs, who has probably already signed their Contract/Declaration On Americans.
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msirt
November 24, 2009 1:53 AM
They're referring to any anchor/commentator that might raise eyebrows at the propaganda and say something truthful for once. Pink slips for them (as well as for a possible ally behind enemy lines that pwned Fox by slipping in the "rogue" cover).
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Isabelino
November 24, 2009 5:09 AM
And they are not alone. Who can forget the "misleading footage" shown by Fox and their most illustrious competitors of Saddam's statue getting the treatment. It was a Chicago Rent-a-Mob not the Iraqi people slapping the saddles.
When most mainstream voters fall for lies like this and "the surge" that the real damage is done.
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JEP07
November 24, 2009 11:06 AM in reply to Isabelino
good point...
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Dave Adams
November 24, 2009 5:26 AM
SO If Hannity gets caught again does he get fired? Or does the person who wrote this memo get fired for being mistaken?
I think they're just looking for a pretext to get rid of Shep Smith.
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Hermagoras
November 24, 2009 6:23 AM
Easy RW-friendly solution: "Fire" a low-level staffer and "hire" them at another Murdoch outfit. Keep revolving. The on-air "talent" is safe. Everybody else is fungible. The Murdoch conglomerate is huge; people can be "fired" and still safe. No need to decrease "errors" like these.
Apologies for all the mocking quotes. Fox induces the practice.
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eggroll
November 24, 2009 6:59 AM
Meeting quote:
It is more important to get it right, than it is to get it on.
New Fox News slogan:
Let's get it on!
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Tosh
January 31, 2010 3:41 PM
haha fox needs to be off-air
Buy KamagraM65 Jacket
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