From the GOP edition of 'Art of War', Master Kyl says:

"You need to put in everybody you can as quickly as you can and deliver a knockout punch to the enemy."

Preferably after waiting 8 years first, to fool the enemy!

Wait wait wait. Mr. Kyl, you have to support The Commander in Chief during wartime or you're a traitor who wants the troops to die.

Watch McCain not realize that he just admitted that the United States was not successful in Iraq. He is definitely getting too old for the job.

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Yes pinhead and what were those exact goals of which you speak. Oh yes delivering the knock out punch. Yes those are pretty clear cut goals. Good thinking. Crystal clear. Now shut the hell up you old coot.Yes they'll never know what hit em. Bet they won't even see it coming.

I think pro-war, draft-dodgers like Kyl should be confined to providing advice on how to be cowards and traitors. Why should anyone give a damn what poltroons such as Kyl, Limbaugh, Kit Bond and Dick Cheney of national defense strategy? They have all failed to step-up to the plate when they were draft age and supported the war of their generation (the 'Nam).

If I owned a network and invited any of those manginas on to discuss defense or foreign policy matters, the introduction would always be prefaced by comments regarding their lack of service. (Or manipulation of the National Guard system at the time, which virtually guaranteed safety from deployment to combat zones. Yes, I'm referring to you Dubya, Steve Forbes and John Bolton.)

And please, to the apologistas,before apologizing for those traitor cowards by naming democrats, who didn't serve or took the National Guard route, remember, the repubs are supposed to be more-patriotic-than-thou, not Dems/libs. So what's the muscular foreign policy assholes' excuse

Tec619 - mangina? had to smile.

Separately, when I first glanced at the headline, I thought, well of course it is (like Vietnam.)

Then I read how Kyl thought this should be knockout-punched. Groan.

But seriously, as someone old enough to remember my dad's and uncle's service during Vietnam (no, not everyone made it home) I think the larger point isn't what a bunch of idiots Kyl and other GOP'ers are, but the fact that our own Democratic President can't just man up and tell the truth:

We need to get the hell out of there. And it shouldn't take more troops sent there to pull existing troops back home.

BTW, Does the automatic kneejerk reaction against the obviously jerkoid Kyl - instead of an actual reflection on what is it that we're doing there - indicate that no one on this board has a relative or partner in the armed forces?

DIDN'T BUSH DELIVER A TALIBAN KNOCKOUT PUNCH IN 2001?

..looks like it didn't work...we just have to pretend we will be there forever so the local fundametalists will give up their guns and start farming.

O.k. - so if we were to rapidly escalate and send in half a million troops: before those little Taliban ants can be even found, they'll just run away, fade into the scenery. What then and with that, how long would those half a million troops need to stay so as to capture the hearts and minds of all patriotic Afghanis?

And if Obush thinks he'll be gaining the hearts and minds of the average citizen of Afghanistan, those who do not like the Taliban, is he not on a fool's errand? Meanwhile, who pays the cost for all of the profits to be made by the manufacturer of our standard-issue metal casket being utilized by the Pentagon? Haliburton and KBR are still way-involved in Iraq, of course. But no, no, I'm sure that Obush's Pentagon has got a new bunch of heroic, well-meaning contracting outfits involved in those mountains of Afghanistan (and intermediaries too). Surely.

Get out your resumes, boys. Buff 'em up! There's brownie points to be made with time served in the Mideast.

Yes, sir - and tell me: who's got the balance sheet?