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Bill O'Reilly declared last night that the United States "can't kill all the Muslims" -- so will have to settle simply for winning hearts and minds.

Talking to Fox News contributor Col. Ralph Peters, O'Reilly called the deadly shootings at Fort Hood last week by suspected shooter Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan "an act of terror."

He then turned to President Obama's supposed avoidance of labeling the attack as such.

Barack Obama wants to win hearts and minds in the Middle East, in the Muslim world, which is a good thing and you know that. As a soldier, we can't kill all the Muslims. So we wanna win as many hearts and minds of good moderate Muslims as we can. So he goes out of his way, you're absolutely right, Colonel, he goes out of his way, to avoid the "Muslim terrorist" label, which clearly applies to Hasan.

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November 11, 2009 8:48 AM   

When he says, "As a soldier, we can't kill all the Muslims," he's not intimating that he's a soldier, is he?

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November 11, 2009 11:37 AM    in reply to C0mm0n5en5e

No. I probably would have transcribed it using slightly different punctuation right there. Something like:

Barack Obama wants to win hearts and minds in the Middle East, in the Muslim world, which is a good thing. And you know that, as a soldier. We can't kill all the Muslims. So we wanna win as many hearts and minds of good moderate Muslims as we can...

Either way, what a twisted thing to say.

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November 11, 2009 9:03 AM   

Be fair now. He did clarify that he was playing the devil's advocate. I wish he wasn't and he was voicing his own opinion, but he made it perfectly clear that he wasn't speaking his own mind. Somewhere I wish that was his opinion, but we have to take him on his word.

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November 11, 2009 9:41 AM    in reply to Arni

I am sure it was his opinion but he only said that to cover his ass.

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November 11, 2009 10:12 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

The same bullshit as the mysterious "constituent" Republicans always talk about

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November 11, 2009 10:42 AM    in reply to Arni

"Be fair now. He did clarify that he was playing the devil's advocate. I wish he wasn't and he was voicing his own opinion, but he made it perfectly clear that he wasn't speaking his own mind."

He may well have been playing devil's advocate, but that's not much of a defense (even if it's true--which seems not unlikely). When playing devil's advocate, you tend to imply that a position up for discussion is worth discussing. But, well, that's not a position that's worth putting on the table for discussion.

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November 11, 2009 11:37 AM    in reply to Arni

Yeah, but if you listen in context the "killing all the Muslims" wasn't the part he was playing "devil's advocate" on. "Winning hearts and minds" (the position he attributes to Obama) was O'Reilly's "devil's advocate" position. Killing all the Muslims is what we would do if we lived in Bill O'Reilly's version of an "ideal" world, and is not so far off from the position Peters (his guest) advocates.

So yes, he was playing "devil's advocate," but the position he identifies as the devil's is to win hearts and minds.

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November 11, 2009 9:05 AM   

I'm trying to figure out why this is controversial. His statement is obviously true--the United States can't kill all Muslims (nor is he implying that we should try to kill all Muslims). He's saying that we need to win hearts and minds and that doing so is a positive thing. Wow, what a nut... I'm no O'Reilly fan, but his above statements are not out of the mainstream.

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November 11, 2009 9:21 AM    in reply to taw1980

The logic back of the language is alarming. In the statement "we can't kill all of the Muslims so we should try to be friends" it is the "so" which is alarming. If we could kill all the Muslims, what would he have us do? We can say that he isn't implying that we should try to kill all the Muslims but since the only reason he has given us why not is that we can't the impact of Muslims reading this is not apt to be that they are looking at a friend.

Granted O'Reilly is ostensibly putting himself in the mind of President Obama and thinking out loud, but O'Reilly is really flat footed when it comes to winning hearts and minds.

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November 11, 2009 9:33 AM    in reply to AJM

So is the United States Government, regardless of who is in office. If we were so good at winning hearts and minds abroad, we would not be in the eighth year of a war designed to do so.

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November 11, 2009 1:04 PM    in reply to diachronic

we would not be in the eighth year of a war designed to do so.
OBJECTION!!! Presumes facts not in evidence.

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November 11, 2009 1:40 PM    in reply to kenga

So we're not there to show Afghans that we can set up a trustworthy government that can obtain the popular support needed to drive off the Taliban?
What are we there for, then?

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November 20, 2009 3:51 PM    in reply to diachronic

I'm not sure how that accrues to "winning hearts and minds", what with the bribes and civilian casualties and the favoring of some groups and leaders over others, but as I said - facts supporting that aren't in evidence.

Smack.
And a pipe(line) to smoke it with.
/sarcasm

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November 11, 2009 10:19 AM    in reply to taw1980

What mainstream are you in?

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November 11, 2009 11:44 AM    in reply to taw1980

I think the problem is that he only feels comfortable advocating the this policy of not exterminating all of the world's Muslims and winning hearts and minds instead when taking the position of "devil's advocate." When you play "devil's advocate" you are usually arguing on behalf of something extreme, or at least counter-intuitive. Yet O'Reilly presents the extreme, genocidal position as the obvious, sensible one, and the sane alternative as some "off the wall" position that he has to distance himself from by playing devil's advocate. It just points to how twisted his world view is, and yes, it's pretty shocking.

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November 11, 2009 9:14 AM   

Um, this is controversial because he's implying we would want to kill all the Muslims if we could, but we can't. So our only realistic (?) option is to settle for making nice with them, even though we really would rather kill them all.

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November 11, 2009 9:25 AM    in reply to Severus

I don't agree that he is implying that we would want to kill all Muslims, the context of his statement suggests otherwise.

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November 11, 2009 9:49 AM    in reply to taw1980

How does the context suggest otherwise? O'Reilly admits he's playing devil's advocate when he advances the argument "Barack Obama wants to win hearts and minds in the Middle East, in the Muslim world, which is a good thing and you know that. As a soldier, we can't kill all the Muslims. So we wanna win as many hearts and minds of good moderate Muslims as we can." By admitting he's playing devil's advocate, he's saying he really doesn't believe the argument, he's just offering it up as a point of debate. And his gratuitous mention of "good moderate Muslims" further shows how he really feels about most Muslims - i.e., they are evil radicals that we, unfortunately, can't eliminate entirely. Severus is spot on - the "context" of his statement makes it perfectly clear that he fears Muslims and wishes that we could kill them all.

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November 11, 2009 10:21 AM    in reply to jjcomet

Taw1980 operates on a higher plane than the rest of us where he can "see" the logic and brilliance of O'Reilly's threats towards the holocaust of the Muslims as a non-violent call to peace.

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November 11, 2009 9:36 AM   

You know, I don't even think he realizes how offensive his comment is. He is woefully ignorant. Moreover, what's with the "good moderate muslims" line. THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE MODERATE. It is only radicals that give the rest a bad rap.

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November 11, 2009 9:41 AM   

By saying he's playing devil's advocate, O'Reilly is channeling what he thinks Obama is doing - trying to win as many hearts and minds of the Muslims beCause we can't kill them all. I really doubt this is Obama's logic. It's just the only reason Bill O'Reilly can think of that Obama would be trying to "win their hearts and minds".
His comment is appalling. That man is so confused when it comes to problem solving.

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November 11, 2009 9:43 AM   

In his defense, O'Reilly thinks we can't kill all the atheists and homosexuals either.

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November 11, 2009 9:51 AM   

This is an act of terrorism, but the killing of Dr. Tiller is not? Tiller's murder was just as much the result of religious extremism and it's absolutely clear that the killer had a political message.

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November 11, 2009 9:55 AM    in reply to SS247

I'm just curious here, not trying to make a point or anything.. But is terrorism defined as an act of violence motivated by religious extremism and that has a political message? How do you define terrorism?

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November 11, 2009 10:02 AM    in reply to Arni

If a nuke launched by the US killed millions in the environs of Tehran, say, you can be sure the State Department would define it as an act of war.
If conversely, a nuke went off in NYC, it would be an act of terrorism, by definition.

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November 11, 2009 10:09 AM    in reply to Arni

There are multiple definitions but in general it is violence that is intended to intimidate and influence gov't policy. The FBI's (old) definition is
"Domestic terrorism refers to activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. [18 U.S.C. § 2331(5)]"
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terror2000_2001.htm

Thus IMHO Ft Hood may have in fact been an act of terrorism, but it also could have been more revenge against a military that would not let him out of service. We need to know more about the killer and his motives. Probably premature to label it terrorism but it may end up being just that.

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November 11, 2009 11:08 AM    in reply to Arni

In some definitions, the violence must be against civilians to a terrorist act. If one adheres to such a definition, this cannot be an of terrorism because it was committed against soldiers. Although its a tough call because they were unarmed.

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November 11, 2009 12:01 PM    in reply to Arni

The aim of an act of terrorism is not necessarily to kill or injure. It is to inspire feelings of terror that the terrorist hopes will change either group behavior and/or government policy. The reasons for committing such an act can be political or religious, but there is usually a core "political" reason for committing such an act because the goal is to change behavior or policy through acts of violence. But the critical component is not the use of violence per se, but the fearful reaction the violence provokes.

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November 11, 2009 9:53 AM   

He says he's thinking, "as a soldier", so what is the big deal? His Worldview is narrow as Hell, but we knew that. You're stretching the idea of context here, TPM.

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November 11, 2009 10:01 AM   

Shocking Reaction to Fort Hood: Stupidity Beyond Belief:

http://www.33energy.com/reaction-to-fort-hood-stupidity-beyond-belief.html

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November 11, 2009 10:06 AM   

Congrats, TPM, on the Huffpoesque headlining.

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November 11, 2009 10:08 AM   

What happened to that "kill-em-all-let-God-sort-it-out" 9/12 spirit?


Has O'Reilly turned into a limp wristed appeasing surrender monkey?


OBL is laughing somewhere on Bora Bora

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November 11, 2009 10:11 AM   

I guess I don't see the controversy here, unless it's that O'Reilly expressed himself inartfully as he often does.

We can't kill all the Muslims. We can't even kill all the 'terrorists'. Because eventually you'll end up killing all the Muslims, or at least trying to whether you intend to or not.

You would have had a hard time selling that argument five years ago; I know I did.

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November 11, 2009 10:17 AM    in reply to rynato

I'm thinking the objection is the utilitarian argument O'Reilly seems to be making.

Yet, the utilitarian argument is used often in the context of torture: "Torture doesn't work."

This is actually both unethical and a very double-edged sword; if torture DID work, then it would be OK?

No. Torture is wrong, period. It is immaterial whether it works or not.

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November 11, 2009 10:15 AM   

The moral of the story: you can't help winning hearts and minds when you've already lost your own.

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November 11, 2009 10:17 AM   

O'Reilly's point is that Obama is not calling Hasan a "muslim terrorist." O'Reilly sees that Obama is missing a golden opportunity to whip up The Fear Factor. Naturally, O'Reilly is disappointed.

In O'Reilly's world view, the tradgedy at Fort Hood should be exploited. Here is the chance to totally destroy the 4th Amendment. Call a CODE RED National Security Alert! Massively increase electonic spying. The country is unsafe. We need extr-enhanced interrogation techniques. Expand the wars. Bomb Pakistan, Somalia, and Gaza. More terror! More fear! Muslim terrorists! Why isn't Obama screaming?

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November 11, 2009 12:02 PM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

This is my opinion, as well. It isn't just O'Reilly, either. There are those who are attempting to mask their obvious hatred of Muslims by saying "We can't...but". There are even more that don't bother to mask their hatred.

I would be lying if I said that I hadn't had suspicions when I first heard of the shooting. I'd also be lying if I hadn't wondered about the rest of the Muslims in the military. My son, a Marine, told me that he works with Muslims every day and that most of them are just average people with different religious beliefs. That their opinions don't differ much from his own. Odd how my annoying Republican Marine son had to educate his older, wiser, liberal mother about tolerance, isn't it?

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November 11, 2009 10:18 AM   

As much as I dislike BillO, I don't think he even realized the offensiveness of what he was saying, nor do I think he believes we should kill all Muslims if we could.

Note that I don't excuse him, he fully deserves to be called out when he slips. It's the price he should pay for pandering to the stupid.

He should stay in the realm of "négligé situations" and leave serious things such as anti-terrorism to the grown ups.

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November 11, 2009 10:31 AM   

How magnanimous of him. If only Bill O'Reilly had been around in Nazi Germany in the 1930's; we could have avoided that whole Holocaust thing...

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November 11, 2009 10:57 AM   

To be fair to O'Reilly, it was Peters who said, "Islam is the problem". It was Peters, who through the tone of his voice and his ire ever since this incident which led O'Reilly to say, "we can't kill all the muslims". He was not implying we can or should, Peters was, and O'Reilly was saying it in a "come on crazy Ralph, we can't kill all the muslims like I know you wish we would". Come on TPM, you are better than this. Just becasue Peters is a smaller fish does not mean he should not be taking the brunt of this, not O'Reilly.

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November 11, 2009 11:01 AM   

What I find far more "appalling" than O'Reilly's comments is the willingness of people to see the worst in those who don't share their political views...

I would love to see a poll conducted asking Americans if they think Hasan's actions constitute terrorism... any of you want to guess at the results of such a poll?

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November 11, 2009 11:17 AM    in reply to taw1980

taw1980
Could you explain to me why killing tens of thousands of innocent civillians in Iraq and Agahnistan is not terrorism, but a direct strike on a military target is terrorism?

After that, explain to me how all this death and destrution the U.S is engaged in is going to make the relatives of the slaughtered bow down and kiss your ass. They want to kill you, because you killed their family. They will never forget. Never.

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November 11, 2009 11:44 AM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

You mean an "accidental" killing of civilians, I presume. Unless you are suggesting that our miilitary purposefully targets civilians, in which case I have nothing further to say to you as you are beyond extreme. Are you attempting to defend a "direct strike on a military target" by a member of that very military? Of course, you must realize that the individuals killed at Fort Hood were unarmed and not in the midst of combat operations... or am I giving you too much credit?

In case you hadn't heard, American civilians have been attacked and killed by terrorists who happen to be Muslim followers of Osama bin Laden. The invasion of Afghanistan was perfectly legitimate on those grounds (even the UN agreed with the decision to overthrow the Taliban). I did not support the invasion of Iraq, but to suggest that the U.S. military actions in Iraq, which occurred after 9/11, created these terrorists who wish us harm is patently false.

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November 11, 2009 4:24 PM    in reply to taw1980

The actions of the US military helped create thousands of terrorists in iraq and afganistan. Of this there is no doubt and I will debate this point with you anytime!

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November 20, 2009 3:49 PM    in reply to taw1980

The term "collateral damage" indicates that civilians are considered ancillary to achieving military objectives.
If, as a commander deciding whether an airstrike is appropriate, I look at the guidelines and determine that the threshold of too many civilian casualties will not be exceeded by the proposed attack, I can approve it.
Knowing that civilians are at the target coordinates and choosing to strike it is to deliberately target civilians.
End of story.

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November 11, 2009 12:17 PM    in reply to taw1980

The results of such a poll would not have any bearing on the truth. At one time polls indicated a large percentage of Americans believed Iraq was behind 9/11. That didn't make it true.

Hassan's actions were heinous. Whether they were or were not an act of terrorism does not make them any more or less heinous, nor will it bring any comfort to those who are grieving. But an act of violence is not necessarily and act of terrorism just because it was committed by a Muslim.

What we need to know to access whether this was an act of terrorism was motive. Did Hassan commit this act because he was angry or disturbed? If so, while still horrible, it is not necessarily terrorism. Did he commit the act because he hated Christians? If so, it would be a hate crime, but not necessarily terrorism. Did Hassan commit the act in order to promote some ideological or religious point of view, or in hopes of changing U.S. policy? If so, then you have something that would meet the definition of terrorism.

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November 11, 2009 4:40 PM    in reply to Pete Bilderback

It would seem that Hasan was a disgruntled employee, he went 'postal'. No terrorism there, unless the post office shooters were terrorists too.

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November 11, 2009 12:33 PM   

You are unable to answer each of the questions.
I must conclude that you think killing innocent non-combantants is not terrorism but a direct strike on a military target is terrorism. You're logic is obviously twisted.

You failed to even attempt any answer to the second question.

The U.S. invasion and occupation of Muslim countries will create more and more resistance. It took the Soviets a couple of decades to figure that out, but I doubt the U.S. can keep this up for more than a few more years. The public is getting tired of the bull shit.

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November 11, 2009 12:38 PM   

How many good and moderate Muslims will be harassed, attacked or killed because Bill plays the Devil's advocate? What a horrible thing to say.
Hassan will live to see the damage he's done to good, moderate Muslims for the rest of his pathetic incarcerated life.
Should we try to kill all extreme christian anti-abortion radicals who agree that shooting a man down in his own church is acceptable? Bill's first!

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November 11, 2009 12:41 PM   

Hasan will be tried by a military court. He will not be charged with any "terrorism" charges, because there is no evidence that he acted on behalf of any terrorist organization.

Not sure why so many right wingers get hard dicks about terrorism. What's wrong with charging the piece of shit with 13 counts of homicide and treason?

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November 11, 2009 12:58 PM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

Isn't it bizarre that they get 'hard dicks' about this - yet wax panic over hate crimes legislation because they say it makes thought a crime?
They've already decided what his motivations are, without the military even nearing the end of the BEGINNING if the investigation - yet they're ready to jump the gun - again - already.
This is why republicans lose wars and elections - they simply cannot get past their own bigotry - actually thinking things through and taking their time is simply too darn cumbersome, apparently. Surely they actually have the capacity for thought - they simply seem too bigoted and lazy to do so.

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November 11, 2009 1:05 PM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

They are pissed because they want to see Obama use this horrific event as an opportunity to promote their war against Islam.

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November 11, 2009 1:02 PM   

Unless you are suggesting that our miilitary purposefully targets civilians, in which case I have nothing further to say to you as you are beyond extreme

I'm sorry - this just isn't clear to me.
When you say "our military" are you referring to the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and various Guard organizations as monolithic institutions?
Or do you mean to refer to the individual members of those institutions, some of whom have expressed the belief that ALL Muslims are the enemy.
Also - when we're talking about purposefully targeting civilians - do you consider throwing frozen bottles of water from moving vehicles at civilians to fit your definition?

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November 11, 2009 1:23 PM   

I think he was saying it is not our military policy to target civilians. Of course, this doesn't mean we haven't killed thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. I tend to think the debate over "intent" is semantics when the results is innocents dead by our hands.

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November 11, 2009 1:37 PM    in reply to Dorn76

Dorn76
Intent doesn't matter to the survivors, as they are crawling through the wreckage over the smoldering dead bodies of their brothers and sisters. They will get revenge against the American killers.

And here is one definition of "terrorism":
On March 17, 2005, a UN panel described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."[16]

Hansan does not fit the definition of "terrorist." He carefully targeted soldiers in uniform, not civillians. Bill O'Rielly is full of shit.

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November 11, 2009 1:37 PM   

This is the least insane thing Bill'O had said in decades, this and the public option.

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November 11, 2009 1:40 PM   

But...

...we can drive them stark-raving, batschit crazy.

Here's how:

1 - Create a looped video with this clip and a few dozen similarly stupid things BO has said about followers of Islam.

2 - Forcibly blast the video through all forms of communication in countries with significant Islamic populations.

The reaction in the Muslim world will surely give FOX NEWS something to talk about.

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November 11, 2009 1:44 PM    in reply to draftedin68

No, I'm not talking about "killing" versus "hearts and minds" I think it is a shock Bill'O thinks there are "moderate Muslims" that has to be the least insane thing he had said in decades.

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November 11, 2009 1:46 PM   

So...he was playing devil's advocate with Col. Ralph Peters? The same Col. Peters who thought it a good idea to kill all the journalists covering the war, and recommended a captured U.S. soldier should be killed? Who's not the devil at this table? I always thought when playing devil's advocate, there had to be a reasonable thought or thinker somewhere in the mix.

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November 11, 2009 1:58 PM   

I don't think it's the worst thing O'Reilly ever said. In fact, I think it's kind of funny. He wants so much for this to be "terrorism." O'Reilly, Cheney, and the rest of the neo-cons are desperate for more terrorism. It's their shtick. What would they do without terrorists? They'd be lost, irrelavent. How could they justify torture and occupation of muslim countries? How could they justify State Secrets and dessimating the 4th Amendment? No, sir, we have got to have more terrorist!

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November 11, 2009 3:19 PM    in reply to JoeTheMechanic

Sadly, this is true. Irrational fear of terrorism is a potent fuel for the War Machine.

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November 11, 2009 2:51 PM   

Everyone posting here is missing something. O'Reilly says he's playing devil's advocate because killing all the Muslims is, in fact, Peters' vision of an ideal world. He's pretty much expressed as much several times before. Compared to him, O'Reilly is a voice of sanity. I suspect that's part of why he has crazies like this on, and why there are followers of his that still believe he's an "independent".

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November 11, 2009 2:55 PM   

yep.

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November 11, 2009 5:18 PM   

Actually Bill, we can't kill ANY of the Muslims. Or have you forgotten the Sixth Commandment?

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April 29, 2010 2:57 AM   

As much as I dislike BillO, I don't think he even realized the offensiveness of what he was saying, nor do I think he believes we should kill all Muslims if we could.

Note that I don't excuse him, he fully deserves to be called out when he slips. It's the price he should pay for pandering to the stupid.

He should stay in the realm of "négligé situations" and leave serious things such as anti-terrorism to the grown ups.

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