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Although Senate Democrats would like Republican support of their health care reform bill, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said today, Dems will pass a bill either way.

"We're not going to not pass a bill," Schumer said on the Today show.

Schumer said his caucus is willing to compromise with the GOP.


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November 23, 2009 10:46 AM   

RECONCILIATION!!!!!

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November 23, 2009 11:08 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

Reconciliation is not that simple. If you think the GOP is being obstructionist now, just see what happens if the Dems try to ram this through via reconciliation. They'll propose so many amendments that have to be voted on that it will be hard to keep the caucus unified through all of them.

And even if it were to get through, everything passed through reconciliation would have to be re-authorized after five years. Guess what will happen if the Republicans re-take control of the Senate at that point.

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November 23, 2009 11:26 AM    in reply to jdb316

Do you really think that, especially with the superior bill we'd get from reconciliation, enough of the Republicans would try to block its renewal that it would fail at the five year mark?

A little history lesson for you. The Conservatives in Britain pretty much denounced the National Health Service as a Communist plot and waged holy war against it in 1946 and 1947, but the bottom line is Labour had the votes and it duly came into being in 1948. Just three short years later, Labour lost re-election. Back in office, the Tories didn't even so much as raise the prescription co-pay. Labour had set the co-pay in 1950 at four shillings (20p in current money) -- and it was not raised again until Margaret Thatcher bumped it to 45p in 1980. It's now £7.20 by the way -- about $12 -- which, allowing for inflation, makes it about the same as it was in 1950.

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November 23, 2009 11:25 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

Yeah baby!

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November 23, 2009 10:53 AM   

I'm sick if the self-imposed supermajority requirement in the Senate. The fillibuster is not a sacred cow. It's nothing more than an extra-constitutional, undemocratic parlimentary rule.

The constitutionally required simple majority needed to pass a bill in the Senate has existed for months. This legislation would be a done deal if not for this one outdated rule which is holding it up.

If Reid had any balls he would use reconciliation to accomplish the will of the people.

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November 23, 2009 11:11 AM    in reply to tommyo

While I share your sentiment about the filibuster and prefer that it be eliminated, it is not exactly "extra-Constitutional". The Constitution explicitly states that the House and Senate shall make their own rules.

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November 23, 2009 11:42 AM    in reply to Big River Bandido

Exactly. "extra-" means beyond here, not contrary to. The cloture rule was made by the Senate and is not part of the constitution.

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November 23, 2009 1:12 PM    in reply to C0mm0n5en5e

"extra-Constitutional" suggests "extralegal" -- outside the law. Illegal.

The filibuster is not "extra-Constitutional" -- unconstitutional.

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November 23, 2009 11:36 AM    in reply to tommyo

"The fillibuster is not a sacred cow. It's nothing more than an extra-constitutional, undemocratic parlimentary rule."

No, it is not.

It is a fundamental fact that constitutions are general; that is why they sare implemented by means of (as example) statutes, which have greater specificity. So what the Constitution says is a baseline.


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November 23, 2009 10:58 AM   

Dems will pass a bill either way.
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"We're not going to not pass a bill," Schumer said on the Today show.

These two statements are incongruous.

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November 23, 2009 11:01 AM    in reply to jolly ranchero

Look again at the later statement for the extra "not." It's hard to see on the written page -- I looked askance as well.

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November 23, 2009 11:37 AM    in reply to jolly ranchero

No, they are not. "either way"/"not going to NOT".

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November 23, 2009 11:08 AM   

If Lieberman is even against a trigger and the other three DINOs won't vote for an opt out, they may need Snowe.

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November 23, 2009 11:12 AM   

The health care proposal follows the Byrd rule. The CBO projection states that the health care bill reduces the deficit... i.e., "deficit neutral." This means reconciliation can and should occur.

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November 23, 2009 11:25 AM   

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November 23, 2009 11:45 AM   

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Tom Harkin was on Rachel Maddow last week I thought he said that if the Senate goes to reconciliation, because it's a budget process at the point it would be the Finance Committee that would have more control over it. And the Finance Committee version is the only bill with no public option. So reconciliation => no public option?

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November 23, 2009 11:51 AM   

Why can't they pass HCR sans public option and then put the PO in a budget reconciliation bill later?

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November 23, 2009 11:58 AM   

This is a throw-away comment. How about a Constitutional revision. I have been in favor for years of doing away with the U.S. Senate; the most undemocratic element in the document. If you look at the history of the legislative compromises at the Philadelphia convention it is easy to see that the bicameral legislative structure is a bastard child of the House of Lords and the discomfort the elite of the day had with the idea of "mob rule", (for which read popular rule). Do the math some day when you have the time. See what percent of the U.S. citizenry is represented by fifty-two senators from the least populous states. The U.S. Senate is an anachronism; it should go the way of the "Lords".

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November 23, 2009 1:15 PM    in reply to ChuckR

The most undemocratic "element" in the Constitution is the UNelected Supreme Court.

The Senate is where cooler heads prevail over the most democratic "element": the House.

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November 23, 2009 1:36 PM    in reply to ChuckR

On this continent, the bicameral legislature was born in Massachsuetts-Bay colony, because of a split over a legal case.

A poor woman's cow got loose on the streets of Boston, and a wealthy man caught and sold it. She sued over that, losing all the way to the General Court.

The General Court at that time was the single branch of gov't: it made the laws, enforced the laws, and heard conflicts over the laws.

There were two categories of elected officials in the General Court, Magistrates and Deputies. When the "cow case" came before them, the Magistrates held in favor of the man, and the Deputies held in favor of the woman, and it was essentially a stalemate. The deliberations became so heated that the two -- Magistrates and Deputies -- literally had to meet in separate rooms. That shortly became formerly established in statute as the bicameral legislature.

The Massachusetts-Bay constitution (1780) was written by John Adams, which established seapration of powers and continued the bicameral legislature. That constitution was the model for the US Constitution. (A few states don't have bicameral legislatures; I, for one, prefer the tug-of-war necessitated by the bicameral.)

There is entirely too much recourse to England, and English law, as concerns US law. In fact, and in contrast, there was a long evolved divergence between English and colonial law, and systems of governance, which ultimately eventuated in the final split of the "revolution".

During the "revolution," at the suggestion of the Continental Congress, the states adopted constitutions/bills of rights in 1776-1777 (and 1780). As the US Constitution was modeled on the Massachusetts-Bay constitution, the Bill of Rights was drawn from those existing state constitutions/bills of rights -- not from England or English law.

The Magistrates were the equivalent of today's Senators, and the Deputies of today's Representatives.

George Washington described the difference between Seantae and House in terms of a cup of tea and saucer: the hot tea in the cup -- House -- is poured into the saucer -- Senate -- for cooling.

And it is further not undemocratic because there are distinct authorities lodged in the House ("money bills" an example; "impeachment" another), and others lodged in the Senate. And both work together on bills.

Thus the Senate is a check against excessive democracy (have you heard the yelling that is the norm in the House, which is at one remove from "direct rule"?), and the House a guarantor of democracy.

Last but not least, the essence of democracy is elections; and the Constitution expressly stipulates that there shall be elections, including to the Senate. And the Constitution was amended to change the appointment of Senators by the state legislatures to Senators being elected by popular vote because as originally established the Senators became the spokesmen for the powerful interests that tended to control the legislatures and its appointments.

The more I learn about the Constitution, the less I see it needing to be revised by those who don't know the fundamentals of it.

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November 23, 2009 12:10 PM   

At least, and at over-long last, Sen. Schumer, at least, recognizes that to get a bill actually passed in the Senate, requires at least a tie vote and Joe Biden.

What is sad is that for the past three years Harry Reid has collapsed on almost every single occasion that the Republicans have said that they would filibuster. It is long past time that they were made to put their mouths where their mouths are.

And it is also past time that the Democrats tied together ALL the rotten strands of the Republican perspective:

-- After 9 months, NO bill of their own, which indicates that they are perfectly happy with the current status quo.
-- 30 Republican Senators voting that it is wrong to hold companies accountable when (not IF, WHEN) their employees gang-rape a fellow employee on company time.

etc., etc., etc.

Respectfully,

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November 23, 2009 1:41 PM    in reply to EdA

But the Republicans DO have a health care reform proposal. It's title page reads:

"REPUBLICAN HEALTH CARE REFORM PROPOSAL".

And its substantive proposal reads, centered on the next and last page,

"NO!"

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November 23, 2009 12:15 PM   

Way to go Chuck. Our majority, our health care bill, our America.

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November 23, 2009 2:05 PM   

Reconciliation!!!!!!!Just do it, under any rules available, even if only by a 51 vote majority. It's too important to American citizens to let it slide. Besides, Republicans have provided plenty of precedent. Weren't the first two Dubya tax cuts for the very wealthy done that way? Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

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