Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) really doesn't like the Senate health care reform bill: according to the Los Angeles Times, he says the battle over the bill is "going to be a holy war."
Hatch said he plans to make it that by using procedural delays, including reading the bill in its entirety on the Senate floor.
Hatch has had a history of hot rhetoric on the health care bill. A few weeks ago, he said that Democratic health care reform imperils America's two-party system because "it's a step-by-step approach to socialized health care."
And if they get there then of course you're going to have a rough time, you're going to have a very rough time, having a two-party system in this country. Because almost everybody's going to say all we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party.
He also doesn't look kindly on pro-health care demonstrators; when MoveOn.org protested outside his Salt Lake City offices, Hatch said, "...they're not gonna smear me without getting kicked in the teeth by me."

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RuperttheBear
November 19, 2009 11:31 AM
Shai Halud!
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theWalrus
November 19, 2009 11:34 AM
You mean, like a Jihad? :-)
Nobody expected the American Taliban!!!
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EastWest
November 19, 2009 11:42 AM in reply to theWalrus
Dude, that's all that's left of the Republican Party - the Taliban wing.
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JEP07
November 19, 2009 11:58 AM in reply to EastWest
The Hatch Jihad?
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barnacle
November 19, 2009 11:37 AM
Clearly Orrin Hatch is a Mormon missionist (analogous linguistically to a Muslim jihadist) and should be (1) locked away in a secret CIA prison for 6-8 years (2) tried in New York (3) spanked.
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tiowally
November 19, 2009 1:36 PM in reply to barnacle
I believe Orrin would consider a spanking a reward; he usually has to pay good money for such services.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 19, 2009 2:56 PM in reply to barnacle
Ooohhhh, can Vitter get in on some of that action? He's got cash.
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tiowally
November 19, 2009 3:38 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
He did. Orrin "Spanky" Hatch made the recommendation(s) and introduction(s) personally.
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mans_best_friend
November 19, 2009 11:40 AM
They can have their holy war. Just as long as they lose. Then they can go to the voters next November and point to the program that by then people will find they actually like, and say "We tried to stop this!"
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Schmed- ley
November 19, 2009 12:32 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
The only problem with that scenario is that the better benefits of the reform won't kick in until (at the earliest) 2013 or 2014.
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Silence
November 19, 2009 2:27 PM in reply to Schmed- ley
Scheduled to kick in immediately are huge tax hikes and more unemployment.
The average doofus doesn't know this plan is front-end loaded with taxes and back-end loaded with rationed care. Imagine his surprise when the boss hands him yet another pink slip and explains that his salary must offset the horrendous tax liabilities imposed by a substandard health care plan that won't provide benefits for 5 years.
I actually feel sorry for you folks. If this thing passes, the Nov. elections will be an absolute bloodbath.
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Schmed- ley
November 19, 2009 2:51 PM in reply to Silence
Still screwin' your pooch. The average doofus would be a Republican, so I guess you're on safe ground speaking for them.
Speaking of feeling sorry: my condolences to your dog.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
November 19, 2009 3:00 PM in reply to Silence
So how's the weather there in Republican Alternate Universe World, anyway? Can you just wish great weather into existence like all the other facts there, or has ACORN's diabolical plot to make it rain 24/7 ruined it for y'all?
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Silence
November 19, 2009 4:05 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
So, you have no plan for the unemployment fallout. Yes. That's what I thought.
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RWN
November 19, 2009 11:44 AM
Yes interesting metaphor by Hatch and the GOP. Upon reading the book "The Family" which clinically takes you through the Fundamentalist Movement from its beginnings where now it appears the entire Republican Party is actually surrogates for a Theocracy the term "Holy War" seems appropriate. What is it about this policy of "doing good" that affronts the Republicans so deeply?
It is not the money is it? No it is about the idea that those chosen will have a good life here, get the medical care they need and not be beholden to society for this. It challenges the idea that indeed humans can take care of humans and goes to the heart of their very personal, intimate relationship with their inner psychosis. It is plain and simple power.
They know once the healthcare reform is instituted, that is a good word, an institution, where eventually it will lead to Medicare for all---yes some form of blended single payer, what I see as catastrophic medicare and then the choice of having supplemental care, but also the movement away from fee for service....that will really be reform,
Then people will like this and believe they are entitled to it and won't need the power of the faith. Holy War huh....interesting, so the Conservatives Without Conscience will break their rhetoric of an up and down vote when it does not serve them. Well, let us see Hatch Read the Bill, let us actually see these old white men actually do a Mr. Smith and hold up the chambers....do it, break them
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Powkat
November 19, 2009 11:50 AM in reply to RWN
RICH old white men - terrified of losing their power. NOT RICH old white men - terrified of losing their sense of superiority. I think the next 20 years are going to be continual fight as women and minorities make gains and the white male minority fights for every inch of ground.
And no, I don't hate men, but historically those in power rarely cede it without being forced to.
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EastWest
November 19, 2009 11:58 AM in reply to Powkat
Gotta agree with you, even though I'm an old(ish) white guy. Not rich, unfortunately.
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WaitWut?
November 19, 2009 1:03 PM in reply to Powkat
HA! That's exactly how I described the Republican party to my husband last nite! Although, I threw in "redneck" to describe the "not rich white men". It confused him because he's a redneck Democrat.
Once again, the right is abusing their faith. I wonder how their God feels about it? They're either bastardizing their own religion or twisting the Constitution to suit their needs.
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jdb316
November 19, 2009 8:53 PM in reply to Powkat
Then how do you explain women like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and even Kay Bailey Hutchinson being against this?
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xargaw
November 19, 2009 12:23 PM in reply to RWN
The "Family's" theology is even wackier than fundamentalist extremism. It's all about world domination by the chosen few. Personal morality and transgressions are considered insignificant as long as one tows the line persuing the goals of the leadership. It is really in direct opposition to everything in mainstream religion.
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Matt Jones
November 19, 2009 11:52 AM
Amazing - so we shouldn't get HCR because it might make people realize the Republican party has nothing to offer them. Yep, that's clearly a problem with HCR and not the party...
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whitenoise100
November 19, 2009 11:54 AM
Sorry Orrin, but you're about the 1000th winger to use this kind of hyperbole. It kind of loses its impact after awhile.
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JEP07
November 19, 2009 11:56 AM
The Hatch Jihad?
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fitley
November 19, 2009 12:25 PM
We keep hearing these threats but nobody really acts them out. Go ahead you silly old coot, get up and read the whole bill to stall things. How long will it take before everybody calls you a total a**hole. Can you live with that day after day. I'd love to see it. Big boff laughs, that is what it will be. Now if you're done making all your scary threats, sit down and shut up grandpa.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
November 19, 2009 12:26 PM
There is nothing holy about denying medical coverage to Americans, or anybody.
Not knowing anything about what is actually holy - seems to be a serious problem for Republicans.
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Mateo123
November 19, 2009 12:30 PM
Allah Akbar!!!
This will be pretty fun -- seeing Hatch going on an on about Jihad. Entertainment Tonight, look out. Here comes OH!
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Chris
November 19, 2009 12:32 PM
But I'm sure it's a Christian Holy War, so that's good because God is on our side remember.
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condew
November 19, 2009 12:32 PM
Who would have guessed that in the 21st century we would be using religious language to describe a crusade AGAINST taking care of the sick?
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hollywood
November 19, 2009 3:21 PM in reply to condew
Well when everything you do is ass-backward anyway it makes perfect sense. These people think the same way slave owners did for centuries that it is in their stupid bible so they get to own other people. Nothing moral or common sense makes a dent in their religious psychosis.
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WestRox
November 19, 2009 12:35 PM
W'Allah !!!
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neesy08
November 19, 2009 12:53 PM
the gop behave and echo the taliban and al quaeda everyday, don't they?
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smarish
November 19, 2009 1:29 PM
I'm thinking it's God's way of telling the GOP they are finished. Doesn't one of them have daily contact with the lord?
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Rich in NJ
November 19, 2009 2:01 PM
There is nothing holy about it.
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GTFOOH
November 19, 2009 2:53 PM
Sometimes I wonder how Harry Reid can belong to a religion that would have Orin Hatch and Mitt Romney...But then again...
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Chris
November 19, 2009 3:01 PM
Considering Hatch is a member of the only religion to actually wage war against the American government, I'd have to say that's quite an alarming statement.
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Parallax857
November 19, 2009 4:41 PM
These people give religion such a bad name! Fundamentalists misunderstand the most basic tenants of religion. There is nothing religious about them. They are, to use their own rhetoric, the anti-Christ.
Now -- who WOULD Jesus bomb?
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patmcgrowen
November 19, 2009 7:58 PM
I find it very interesting that the supposedly Religious Right apparently do not care about one of the most explicit and direct verses in the Bible that says exactly who goes to Heaven. I would love to see these hypocrites Judgment Day when they have to explain that they supported the death of 45,000 plus people. Get ready for the eternal punishment you deserve.
Matthew 25:31-46
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. 34 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was SICK and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? 38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? 39 And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?' 40 And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.' 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' 44 Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?' 45 Then he will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
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Nancy Irving
November 19, 2009 9:42 PM
"And if they get there then of course you're going to have a rough time, you're going to have a very rough time, having a two-party system in this country. Because almost everybody's going to say all we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party."
I.e., if this bill passes no one will ever vote Republican again!
ROTF...
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Orsand
November 20, 2009 4:22 AM
Why are Christian Pastors remaining silent when it comes to universal health care? How do they manage to disregard Christ's commandment to help those in need?
I have no doubt that their silence on this issue, if not their outright opposition to the most basic right of health care for their fellow man, is why church attendance goes down more each year. They have no problem stepping over a man sleeping in a doorway in their hurry to picket an abortion clinic because that's their total focus. They fight to keep babies alive but have zero compassion for the thousands of poor children, elderly, mentally ill, and developmentally delayed people who die on a daily basis in this nation as a direct result of not being able to afford health insurance or their medications. As well as the thousands of middle class families who find themselves homeless after a major medical incident bankrupted them despite having insurance.
Holy War? What a joke. Why not call it what it really is? A war waged by traitorous politicians who've been bought off by corporations. Christians should be the ones most offended by the word "holy" being interjected into this health care debate. But sadly, the majority of them lack the guts or moral fortitude to stand up and call out the vile politicians who have co-opted their faith to achieve goals steeped in corruption and greed.
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TJ rex
November 20, 2009 11:04 PM
Mr. Hatch and his right wing band of former Bush rubber stampers should forfeit their health insurance and then start looking for other work. Since they don't want to work and continue to be a burden to this great Country they should start now!
Or we can help them out the door in the next election!
Either way they should start earning their pay or resign!
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