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Shadegg Apologizes For Saying NYC Mayor's Daughter Could Get Kidnapped
Rachel Slajda | November 17, 2009, 5:09PM
Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ)
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Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ) has apologized for suggesting that, if 9/11 trials are held in New York City, Mayor Michael Bloomberg's daughter could be kidnapped.
"I saw the mayor of New York said today, 'We're tough. We can do it.' Well, Mayor, how are you going to feel when it's your daughter that's kidnapped at school by a terrorist?" Shadegg said last night.
This afternoon, he told the Associated Press that he's sorry -- but added that his point was still a good one.
"I apologize for the insensitivity of my remarks with respect to the mayor or his family, however I think it is important to note that this decision involves potential risk to innocent people," he said.
Shadegg was scheduled to appear this afternoon on MSNBC to discuss his comment but, according to host David Shuster, canceled because he had meetings to attend.
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CT Voter
November 17, 2009 5:35 PM
At least he didn't offer one of those "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" "apologies".
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commie atheist
November 17, 2009 5:41 PM in reply to CT Voter
That's a point for him. Points against: everything else he said.
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fitley
November 17, 2009 5:37 PM
Well I guess after that apology he doesn't look like a total stump stupid, ignorant, inbred, shitheel, after all. Good for him.
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TBender
November 17, 2009 5:38 PM
You know what else involves potential risk to innocent people?
Driving to work, driving home, space junk falling from the sky, and wolves.
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commie atheist
November 17, 2009 5:40 PM in reply to TBender
Not to mention teabagging. Also.
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CT Voter
November 17, 2009 5:42 PM in reply to commie atheist
Lightning bolts. Spontaneous combustion. Botulism.
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yellowdogD
November 18, 2009 11:21 PM in reply to CT Voter
Bears!
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EH
November 19, 2009 1:12 AM in reply to yellowdogD
don't forget the robots. they're everywhere, and they eat old peoples' medicine for food.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/2340/saturday-night-live-old-glory
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bluestatedon
November 17, 2009 5:44 PM
Not to mention sending tens of thousands of American soldiers to a country to look for MWDs that weren't there to begin with, and killing thousands of non-combatants in the process.
He's a stump stupid, ignorant, inbred, shitheel who also happens to be a pants-wetting coward. Which means he fits right in with today's Chickenhawk GOP.
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calbearinillinois
November 17, 2009 6:00 PM
I'd like to apologize to the distinguished gentleman from Arizona for previously saying his mother slept with alligators, but my point is still that we don't know how many GOP members of Congress are, in fact, half reptile.
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Richardxx
November 18, 2009 11:16 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
My alligator friends really object to this discussion.
I am originally from the Texas swamp country.
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EH
November 19, 2009 1:14 AM in reply to Richardxx
i believe they prefer to be called "alligator-americans," you insensitive clod.
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UTMark
November 19, 2009 10:14 AM in reply to calbearinillinois
No, but I think reasonably accurate estimates are possible. Can a person be half reptile and a horse's ass at the same time?
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Common Sense Caucus
November 17, 2009 6:09 PM
Again. I will guarantee that before the week is over another Republican will say or do something that questions the very concept of human decency. I hope people have figured out that the republican party is one that welcomes insurrectionists, fascists, racists, and extremists. Nobody else. If you think you are a moderate republican you are most likely a moderate Democrat. You are welcome to believe the same beliefs though you would be a part of the only group of people that care about fixing anything or doing anything of any level of importance and benefit to the nation.
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MiddleClassBill
November 18, 2009 5:42 AM in reply to Common Sense Caucus
I am a moderate Republican, not a Democrat. But thanks for playing
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cinesimon
November 18, 2009 11:33 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
If you are a moderate republican, then the majority of your party wants you out.
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Makaden
November 19, 2009 12:36 AM in reply to cinesimon
Same if you are a religious Democrat.
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hollywood
November 19, 2009 12:46 AM in reply to Makaden
Not at all. Democrats are fine with any and all religions or no religion at all. The part that gets you in trouble with your religion is deciding that EVERYONE has to behave according to YOUR rules or you start to call names and get all bitter. Not hard to understand really. Let's all get along by each choosing what we believe and living our own lives accordingly. So simple!
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cinesimon
November 19, 2009 6:16 AM in reply to hollywood
Apparently the right wing think it's religious persecution to respect separation between church and state.
They really are the American Taliban.
Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that most religious folk in America don't agree with these maniacs.
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Maurizio
November 19, 2009 12:50 AM in reply to Makaden
Uhhh... How many Democrats in Congress are atheists? How many Christian Democrats have been forced out of elections?
Compare and contrast that with a) the number of moderate Republicans in Congress [and no, Lindsey Graham is not a moderate] and b) the number of moderate Republicans primaried by the teabaggers, Club For Growth, etc.
You need to wean yourself off of the "Fair and Balanced." You're beginning to believe your own [that which is shoveled near bovines].
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cinesimon
November 19, 2009 6:13 AM in reply to Makaden
You really are that deluded.
No, we have no qualms with religion. We do, however, have qualms with anyone who tries to make their religion the law of the land.
I don't recall and religious members of the Democratic Party being attacked for their religion. I don't know of even ONE example.
But you enjoy your delusions, kiddo. Apparently your 'moderate' status is just another delusion if you're willing to believe such obvious lies & conspiracy theories about us.
The religious persecution comes from you lot - a million dead Muslims, and you're all ready to take away citizenship of every American Muslim.
All we ask is that the basic concept of keeping church and state separate be respected - whereas you lot seem to think the concept itself is some kind of recent conspiracy against Christianity. Gullible fools.
Religious Democrats, including our president, respect the concept of church and state.
But hey - with views like yours: you're safe.
You're no rino. They like the lies you believe in the cult of gop.
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calbearinillinois
November 19, 2009 10:19 AM in reply to cinesimon
Actually, the members of the party that have been attacked for religion are the 2 Muslim members of Congress and the 1 open atheist - admittedly by the right, not other Dems, but worth noting.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 6:46 AM in reply to cinesimon
That's funny - because no one has come knocking on my door telling me to "get out".
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Richardxx
November 18, 2009 11:35 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
My sympathies for your Republican associations. Is that the best you can do? Can't you find human, intelligent and unafraid individuals to associate with?
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Overreach THIS!
November 18, 2009 11:51 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
You are not a moderate anything. You "want your country back" which means you do not accept the results of democratic elections. That's a seditionist.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 2:41 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
You're wrong. I accept the results. But I want this President out of office as quickly as possible. He's a disaster.
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 9:49 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
A disaster compared to whom? Were you asleep for the last eight years?
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 10:38 PM in reply to brewmn61
It is possible to have two terrible Presidents in a row. No comparison is needed.
It's funny that you ask questions about why I don't think terrorists don't deserve the same rights as US Citizens, and then you just say I'm a Glenn Beck drone.
I'd be interested to hear why you think they do deserve rights. I'm not sure why you haven't bothered to share your side of the argument. Instead you just call people dipshits and claim they are brainwashed by Fox. I don't think that's a very effective discussion tactic.
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 11:52 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
You're the wanker who makes baseless assertions that just happen to echo the rightwing talking point of the day, then when you get called on this obvious fact you bitch and moan about people not engaging in honest debate.
Listen up, moron: "The Constitutional rights shouldn't be afforded to terrorists who are trying to take down our country and our government," or "He's a disaster" are not arguments. They're not "making a point." They're baseless assertions that get repeated on Fox News often enough to insert themslves even into your pea brain, but they're still not an "argument."
That was the point of my initial question, and your pathetic failure to respond to it substantively proves my point better than anything I could write myself.
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MiddleClassBill
November 20, 2009 5:37 AM in reply to brewmn61
It is not a baseless assertion. I have read the Constitution and don't believe that it says we should be giving the same rights to terrorists. That is my opinion. Never on here have I claimed that you are a puppet for Keith Olbermann or Rachel Madow. But I am still waiting to here your opinion on the matter.
But I will no longer have a conversation with someone who has no intent to discuss the point but rather just discredit other people
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NobleCommentDecider
November 17, 2009 6:28 PM
This from a guy who was 110% for the War in Iraq and backed George W. Bush to the hilt! Hypocrites all in the GOP?
Where did the sudden concern for 'innocent lives' come from... and why now?
We have killed a million innocents in Iraq, doesn't the man know wars kill people, trials do not??
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MiddleClassBill
November 18, 2009 5:44 AM in reply to NobleCommentDecider
Supporting Iraq is not at all inconsistent with not wanting the trials to be right in your backyard.
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Richardxx
November 18, 2009 11:42 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
Really?
Would the Bush administration have been able to sell the idiocy of the Iraq War without the 9/11 attack? That was al Qaeda, you know, and KSM is one of them. He is alleged to be the key planner.
The trial should be there next to the World Trade Center remains. The WTC was their target. The crime was there.
The direct victims should judge.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 6:40 AM in reply to Richardxx
This trial has nothing to do with Bush's ability to sell the Iraq War. That's a whole separate issue.
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Lestatdelc
November 19, 2009 2:33 AM in reply to MiddleClassBill
So you dislike the basic principle in the Constitution that those accused of committing crime are to be tried within the jurisdiction of where the crime was committed?
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cinesimon
November 19, 2009 6:18 AM in reply to Lestatdelc
Of course they do.
They don't actually know why, but the political talking heads at Fox and WSJ have told them it's bad - therefore it is - no questions asked.
But of course it's we who are the zombies...!
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 6:42 AM in reply to Lestatdelc
The Constitutional rights shouldn't be afforded to terrorists who are trying to take down our country and our government. What did FDR do with those who attacked Pearl Harbor?
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 11:36 AM in reply to MiddleClassBill
"The Constitutional rights shouldn't be afforded to terrorists who are trying to take down our country and our government. "
Why not?
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 12:06 PM in reply to brewmn61
I hate to answer a question with another question. But why should we? The Constitution doesn't say anything about giving rights to terrorists who've attacked our country. In fact, it says that Congress shall have the power to define and punish "piracies" and "felonies" committed on the "high seas" and "offences against the Law of Nations".
You didn't see FDR bringing the Japanese admiral who bombed Pearl Harbor back to Hawaii for trial. Same for the Nazi's captured on US soil - they were tried in a tribunal. Even Obama said that tribunals are appropriate for trying detainees.
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 12:54 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
"I hate to answer a question with another question. But why should we?"
In other words, you think that federal criminal trials are a bad idea because Glenn Beck says so. And you wonder why people dismiss you as a troll.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 1:09 PM in reply to brewmn61
How did Glenn Beck become part of the conversation? My opinion has nothing to do with Glenn Beck.
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 2:08 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
It's obvious where you get your opinions from based on your constant repitition of right wing talking points. You don't add any understanding of why a given wingnut talking point might be valid, you simply repeat the assertion of the day or vis a vis a particular issue.
This is why you're constantly subjected to abuse. Rush Limbaugh or Beck could have a bot that does what you do. It's mindless repitition that doesn't address counterarguments or reflect any independent thought.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 2:32 PM in reply to brewmn61
So instead of debate the point you just say that I am robot for Glenn Beck? That makes a lot of sense.
There are lots of people who think it's a bad idea to give KSM rights under the Constitution. Not just people who watch Glenn Beck. Plus most of us are still at work when Beck is on so we don't watch him
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 2:42 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
You haven't made a point, dipshit. You've asserted something as if the reasoning behind it is self-evident. Well, the reasoning isn't self-evident, and when pressed you can't defend the assertion. So the obvious conclusion is that the assertion is coming from somewhere other than your deep research and independent thinking on the issue.
Given that the wingnuts are uniformly howling about "terrorists in our back yard," and Tim McVeigh-Loving Bill is howling about "terrorists in our back yard," it doesn't take a stretch of logic to conclude that you are, once again, mindlessly repeating the assertions of the bullies and demagogues you let do the thinking for you, chiefly Limbaugh and Beck.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 2:52 PM in reply to brewmn61
That is an interesting crutch that you fall back on. Don't like somebody's opinion, just call him a Glenn Beck disciple (and a dipshit). Very professional of you. You asked why I don't think Constitutional rights shouldn't be afforded to terrorists who are trying to take down our country and our government. And I told you why. So I did make a point but you a) don't like it and b) choose not to discuss it.
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pbg
November 19, 2009 12:20 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
I give up, what did FDR do?
AFAIK, there were no Japanese captured at Pearl Harbor after the attacks.
If there were trials or imprisonments of any sort that resulted from that specific act, I've never heard of it and can find no reference to it.
Of course, CONGRESS declared war on their nation after they declared war on us, and our armed forces fought their armed forces, and we dropped two atomic bombs on their country--but any Japanese soldiers we captured were treated humanely and in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.
And we did nothing to their Emperor.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 1:22 PM in reply to pbg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vengeance
Why does KSM deserve a criminal trial? What's wrong with a military tribunal?
Here's what President Obama has said - "Military commissions have a history in the United States dating back to George Washington and the Revolutionary War. They are an appropriate venue for trying detainees for violations of the laws of war. They allow for the protection of sensitive sources and methods of intelligence-gathering; for the safety and security of participants; and for the presentation of evidence gathered from the battlefield that cannot be effectively presented in federal Courts."
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 2:34 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
How in God's name does what you linked to have anything to do with the use of federal criminal courts to try a foreigner on terrorism?
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 2:36 PM in reply to brewmn61
pbg asked about Pearl Harbor.
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 2:44 PM in reply to MiddleClassBill
How in God's name does what you linked to have anything to do with the use of federal criminal courts to try a foreigner on terrorism?
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 2:59 PM in reply to brewmn61
you already asked that...
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brewmn61
November 20, 2009 1:09 AM in reply to MiddleClassBill
And choke on this, shit for brains:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/19/AR2009111903470.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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MiddleClassBill
November 20, 2009 5:45 AM in reply to brewmn61
Very mature response to tell someone to "choke" on something. Thanks for posting this opinion piece. This reminds me of our short-selling discussion, where you just post links to other articles (which are also opinion pieces like this one) and seem to infer that I am wrong because my opinion is different from another person's opinion. I could also post opinion pieces which support my opinion but I'm not here to just debate others opinions. Ironically, despite your insistence that I am somehow delusional and just a Beck puppet, the first sentence of this well written opinion piece says that reasonable minds can disagree.
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MiddleClassBill
November 20, 2009 5:48 AM in reply to brewmn61
PS - I will no longer be responding to your questions since you choose to speak to people in this manner. It's clear you don't want to discuss the issues. Rather you just want to call people names like "dipshit" to reinforce that you know better than others. I'd rather discuss the topic with someone who has an opinion and wants to share it, rather than just post links to other people's op-ed pieces.
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brewmn61
November 20, 2009 11:41 AM in reply to MiddleClassBill
This is hilarious coming from someone whose blogs consist of links to Wall Street Journal opinion pieces that ask that totally non-loaded question, "Barack Obama: Bad President or Worst President Ever?"
The reason I linked to the WaPo essay was because it was written by conservatives who, compared to the wingnut fringe whose talking points you parrot, support domestic criminal trials for KSM and the others. This proves, definitively, that you are on the far-right side of a rightwing party that has been soundly rejected by the American people. But rather than attempt to defend your positions, you offer nothing but circular (sample: MCB: "The constitution mandates military tribunals for terrorists." Me: "Where does it do that, Bill?" MCB "Well, I've read the Constitution , and that's what it says." Or, maybe, "Where DOESN'T it say so? And stop calling me names.")
You should just get off the internets, you big baby. You haven't got what it takes. I wouldn't even waste the time responding to your shit if you didn't keep shoving it in our collective faces on this website.
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MiddleClassBill
November 20, 2009 3:22 PM in reply to brewmn61
I'm not sure why I bother to respond since you clearly aren't listening. There are plenty of conservatives who support criminal trials and plenty of conservatives who oppose them. That doesn't make any of them "wingnuts".
I also don't recall linking to any articles with silly titles such as "Bad President or Worst President Ever?" but I'm sure you have proof of me doing so.
And I never said that the Constitution "madates" military tribunals for terrorists. But you claim that I did. What I DID say is that Constitutional rights shouldn't be afforded to terrorists who are trying to take down our country and our government. I said that there is nothing in the Constitution which says that they should get the same rights that you or I would get if we committed a crime.
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cinesimon
November 19, 2009 6:22 AM in reply to MiddleClassBill
Of course pretty much every republican opposing this doesn't even live in New York - AND they spend a hell of a lot of their campaign time saying how evil New York liberals are.
But hey - why let reality get in the way of perfectly good, totally obvious fake fear-athon. The 20%ers need a good fear-up.
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MiddleClassBill
November 19, 2009 6:39 AM in reply to cinesimon
He may not live in NY. But the point is that it is going to be a media-circus and it's a bad idea for the trial to be in downtown NY. It should be part of a military tribunal.
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lousgirl84
November 17, 2009 6:33 PM
This is the same idiot who brought his granddaughter Maddy to the floor to espouse the horrors of hea;th care reform. I caught one of the sentences he used and it sure showed just how these folks think. He said' little Maddy doesn't want to pay for your health care, if you want health care, then pay for it yourself". That may not be a direct quote but it is pretty fucking close.
Fuck all of these bastards. Grayson was right. They should have started this health reform campaign calling it a matter of life or death and it is for a lot of people.
I hate these fuckers
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hollywood
November 19, 2009 12:51 AM in reply to lousgirl84
Thanks for your passion! I hate those fuckers too! They are doing exactly the terrorists job for them by trying to scare everyone shitless. What stupid fucking jerks. It is a continuation of the Bush Doctrine of repeatedly scaring the entire population with bogus bullshit terror warnings and keeping everyone on edge for no good god damned reason. THEY ARE THE TERRORISTS! THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE US ALL AFRAID FOR OUR LIVES! I HATE REPUBLICANS!
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Maurizio
November 19, 2009 12:52 AM in reply to lousgirl84
It wasn't even his own granddaughter. It was the daughter of one of his staffers.
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newz4i
November 17, 2009 7:04 PM
Haven't figured this one out yet, but is Maddie making these comments/apologies or is it Shadegg?
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Richardxx
November 18, 2009 11:48 PM in reply to newz4i
Well,Maddie pretty clearly isn't old enough to talk yet. She probably isn't even babbling nonsense syllables yet.
What do you think? Is she talking or is Shadegg?
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brewmn61
November 19, 2009 11:35 AM in reply to Richardxx
Maddy may be unable to talk, but she's still got a lot more credibility than Shitegg.
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Linda in Maryland
November 17, 2009 7:18 PM
"I think it is important to note that this decision involves potential risk to innocent people."
I have news for this coward--life involves potential risk to innocent people. Republicans are a risk to innocent people. What the heck happened to the fav Repub sentiment, "These colors don't run...", etc., etc.
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misterman
November 17, 2009 9:18 PM
Grayson was wrong. They should have called healthcare reform a 'plan to reduce entitlements in order to address the national debt'. Clearly the GOP doesn't care about innocent life. Unless its embryonic. They pretend to care about the national debt. Its all about screwing people, people.
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11A7E
November 17, 2009 11:15 PM
What if a certain Congressman from Arizona was a compete schmuck?
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Waltz
November 18, 2009 1:30 AM
"I'm sorry I said some stupid shit, but here's some more stupid shit I'm saying."
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slb
November 18, 2009 2:06 AM
These guys watch way too much TV. They think the whole world is like an epsode of "24".
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Richardxx
November 18, 2009 11:56 PM in reply to slb
The way the writers of "24" organize their world is the best they can do. These are people who don't have real explanations for what is happening to them.
Such explanations are what culture is supposed to provide, and the culture they came from has failed them.
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AnswerFrog
November 18, 2009 9:25 AM
Keep your children away from this creep, Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ) , and his child abduction fantasies.
Perhaps we can put him on one of those registries?
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Richardxx
November 18, 2009 11:11 PM
Terrorism is aimed at innocent individuals and is designed to make politicians afraid to do what is required to fight the terrorists. Shadegg bought into the terrorist agenda.
Good going, Shadegg. You are a terrorist fellow traveler.
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mycomment
November 18, 2009 11:12 PM
yeah, well crossing midtown traffic involves risk. fuck him. apology not accepted. and double that texas douchebag gohmert.
what is going on with these freaking people that they can insult the mayor and citizens of new york city with their disgraceful pandering at the most base level. their staggering lack of decency is stunning. (and monumental stupidity is no excuse)
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kaylaspop
November 18, 2009 11:52 PM
What is it with pols from Arizona & the Carolinas, they can't possibly share water sources.
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roxanne
November 19, 2009 12:01 AM
These idiots need to be constantly remimded that the trial for the 1993 bombing went off without attacks. I also heard today that the US has prosecuted and won convictions on 193 terror cases. Why doesn't some reporter inform these inbreds and hayseed! They would look less stupid but, not by much! Oh and let's hope no one in your family is kidnapped and murdered!
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miraclelurker
November 19, 2009 12:58 AM in reply to roxanne
The staggering statistic is that we only got 3 tribunal convictions within the same period of time.
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TeddyKGB
November 19, 2009 12:42 AM
My (Republican, very Catholic) mother said something to the same effect, only it was more like, "Well, they should keep those prisoners on the White House lawn and see what happens to Obama's kids!"
I did the classy thing and walked out of the room.
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Rockridge
November 19, 2009 1:06 AM
Translation: My remarks were insensitive but true. Some apology.
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the true enduring majority
November 19, 2009 6:10 AM
I don't think that GOPer's from flyover country are so much scared of terrorists blowing up the local Denny's.
At this point, I honestly think they are actually jealous that their bumblefuck districts, unlike NYC, don't have anything that would even be remotely enticing for a terrorist to attack.
At the end of the day, dickheads like Shadegg and Golmert Pyle, and the rest of the "shit-their-pants-at-the-mention-of-terrorism-the-end-is-neigh" crowd don't give a fuck about security or otherwise. To them, it's merely a dick sizing contest between them and NYC, and to no ones surprise, they lose. So they overcompensate with criticism about subjects (ie security and terrorism) that simply do not concern them or their districts and project all their loathing about the inadequacies that their hometowns and states can never and will never make anywhere near an impact on world events that a city like New York does.
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Marc
November 19, 2009 7:35 AM
Since the original point is that decisions by political leaders can threaten innocent people, is it impolite to observe that Shadegg's pernicious ignorance about terrorism and health care and everything else important threatens innocent people everywhere? Every day?
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AnswerFrog
November 19, 2009 9:37 AM
Keep your children away from Rep. Shadegg and his child abduction fantasies.
This sicko needs to be entered into one of those registries.
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