Westboro Baptist Church, the fringe-of-the-fringe anti-gay group famous for protesting at military funerals and claiming that God is punishing the country for its tolerance of homosexuality, was spotted this morning protesting outside Sidwell Friends, the school attended by Sasha and Malia Obama.
Protesters were carrying signs with anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-Obama slogans, slowing down traffic all along Wisconsin Avenue this morning.
One member, Megan Phelps-Roper, posted a picture on Twitter of the protest.
Westboro Baptist Church, founded by Fred Phelps and made up mostly of Phelps family members, has garnered national attention for carrying signs such as "Thank God for 9/11" and protesting at funerals, including that of Matthew Shepard, the student who was killed in 1998 because he was gay.
They believe that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, as well as the ensuing wars and even the mass shooting last week at Fort Hood, are punishment from God for tolerance of homosexuality. They plan to picket the Fort Hood memorial service this Tuesday.
The group, which is not affiliated with the Baptist church, protests nearly every day in Washington, D.C., rotating around the city. According to their web site, today they plan to hit a few more local schools and the White House, and will be at the Sidwell Friends Lower School tomorrow afternoon.
"Quakers?! Are you frigging kidding me? You pretend to be all non-violent, and you allow the most bloody, deceitful, evil, murderous bastard and his shemale sidekick to place their satanic spawn within your four walls?" reads the posting for today's protest at Sidwell Friends, which is a Quaker school.
The school has not yet responded to a request for comment.
Randall Terry, the extreme anti-abortion protester, has also arranged demonstrations outside the school.
Late update: Ellis Turner, the associate head of school at Sidwell Friends, tells TPM the school took no action to remove the protesters, who were across the street.
"We support the First Amendment here, so there was nothing we wanted to do about it," he said. "There was nothing they did other than offend those who didn't agree with their bigoted viewpoints."
Although the school has seen occasional protests over the years, Turner said, this was the first time Westboro Baptist Church had picketed there.

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soms
November 9, 2009 11:48 AM
How utterly toxic.
Can't they leave the kids alone?
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mJJ
November 10, 2009 12:01 AM in reply to soms
As a Baptist and a Christian I find Mr. Phelps comments to be totally outside of the commands of Jesus for all of us to "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." Amazing how far off the mark we can get in our efforts to represent God's ideas. Phelps seems completely opposite from these scripture admonitions.
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tmbo
November 10, 2009 8:58 AM in reply to mJJ
Since when do Christians ever concern themselves with what Jesus said? Does the Catholic church? Do the Southern Baptists? Do "born again" evangelicals? I don't see any evidence that they're following anything other than their own culturally informed "theology", which is an unapologetic substitute for the real teachings of Christ.
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Delores
November 11, 2009 3:20 AM in reply to tmbo
Tmbo, These are not Christians, they are Christianists.
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drv
November 10, 2009 3:32 PM in reply to mJJ
"As a Baptist and a Christian I find Mr. Phelps comments to be totally outside of the commands of Jesus ..."
The question is what are YOU going to do about it? The words are nice but these despicable acts are being done in your name. If you feel as you say then it is your duty to stop it. What are you going to do?
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JNagarya
November 10, 2009 9:05 AM in reply to soms
That would require that they behave responsibly, which their "religion" is excuse for not doing.
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Scott in PacNW
November 9, 2009 11:50 AM
The word 'deranged' seems suitable.
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Annie Oakley
November 9, 2009 11:51 AM
Ooh this makes my blood boil. Those people are crud - and that's probably an insult to crud!
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Icon
November 9, 2009 12:36 PM in reply to Annie Oakley
Crud comes off your shoes when you scrape it off.
If you step in WBC you need to buy new shoes.
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christomento
November 9, 2009 12:58 PM in reply to Icon
I was thinking you need new feet, preferably bionic ones
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Nathan
November 9, 2009 11:54 AM
Their deliberately inflammatory rhetoric has accomplished its goal: their church membership is about 15 people, yet here we are talking about them.
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jeffgee
November 9, 2009 1:10 PM in reply to Nathan
All of them are related to Fred Phelps, proof that insanity is hereditary.
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JEP07
November 10, 2009 8:13 AM in reply to jeffgee
AND contagious...
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Verified
November 10, 2009 2:21 AM in reply to Nathan
Perfectly said.
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wake up
November 9, 2009 11:54 AM
Only a little better than kicking a puppy.
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Adrian Browne
November 9, 2009 12:09 PM
The way Westboro funds itself is to be as noxious as possible and then sue cities and states for violating their right to free speech when people just can't take their nasty rhetoric any longer. The WANT to be shut down so they can sue. That's why some of them go to law school.
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JEP07
November 10, 2009 8:17 AM in reply to Adrian Browne
You mean Regent?
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mmanion
November 9, 2009 12:16 PM
Is it okay for uber-'Christians' such as these fine individuals to say 'friggin?' Purdy sure you can go to hell for that. Don't really get the 'shemale' crack, either. You'd think they'd at least be happy that he's in an opposite marriage.
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Nebton
November 10, 2009 11:08 AM in reply to mmanion
Saying "friggin'" doesn't get you sent to Hell. It does get you sent to Heck, however.
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Kinkistyle
November 9, 2009 12:18 PM
Speaking as a pacifist, some people just need a good ass-beating. I mean that all seriousness.
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Minne sconsin
November 9, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to Kinkistyle
I'm surprised they haven't gotten one already, with their protests outside of funerals of our military. I can tell you they came damned close here:
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stefsstuff
November 9, 2009 10:23 PM in reply to Minne sconsin
There are some military vets that will also show up at military funerals on their very loud motorcycles and block their view and their rhetoric with the sound of their engines.
The members of this religious sect tend to be all family, this is what happens with in-breeding.
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Ivo
November 10, 2009 12:38 AM in reply to stefsstuff
Some states have banned funeral protests altogether in response to these vile un-American hate mongers. Like the military vets who have showed up to block their view from funerals similar steps were taken after the shooting at Northern Illinois University (my alma mater). When the shooting happened they planned to show up twice. Neither time did they bother to show up and tell us all how horrible we were and how we deserved to be shot up by a lunatic.
Regardless hundreds of students and staff showed up at the street corner where they planned to be; it was less than 10 degrees outside. Police were there as well, I am certain they knew what was likely to happen if they showed up. They didn't. And I am pretty sure my reaction would not have been peaceful. Really that's what they want. They want us logical and grounded individuals to attack them with physical violence so they can sue (I think this has been noted in these comments).
Of course, this assumes that everyone has something to take away, which is not the case with most college students, and wasn't the case with me at the time. I think Eminem said it best when he said:
"Well call you a lawyer
And file you a lawsuit
I'll smile in the courtroom
And buy you a wardrobe"
Screw these idiots. I dare them to show up in Northern Illinois, ever.
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Celeste
November 10, 2009 12:48 AM in reply to stefsstuff
Those military vet groups are great! I was part of the line that was intended to shield the family if the Phelps group followed through on their threat to show up.
I don't remember the name of the exact military vet group we were working with, but they did a great job briefing us on what expect and how to respond.
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Noam Sane
November 9, 2009 12:29 PM
I teach my 8-year old that there are plenty of idiots in the world, she should do her best to avoid them, and if you can't avoid them, ignore them. They want everyone else to be as miserable as they are, but it's your choice to let that happen.
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kirenos
November 10, 2009 5:40 AM in reply to Noam Sane
wise words.
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theWalrus
November 9, 2009 12:30 PM
Twisted religious psychosis and unbalanced mentality seem to go hand in hand (chicken meet egg). As long as these kooks are kept at a safe distance there's little we can do.
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greylox
November 9, 2009 2:45 PM in reply to theWalrus
**Actually they're just going to work. That's what they do. They're trolling for a lawsuit.
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Gopherit
November 9, 2009 12:34 PM
Insanity is indeed hereditary.....and passed through marriage and religion, too.
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RectoNoVerso
November 9, 2009 12:35 PM
God Is Everything And God Made Me A Cold Anti-Gay Zealot
http://rectonoverso.wordpress.com/ze-deep-thoughts/#Anti-Gay%20Zealot
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Dorn76
November 9, 2009 12:44 PM
There's a crazy person on almost every makor streetcorner...Why do we pay these particular nuts any attention?
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Dorn76
November 9, 2009 12:45 PM in reply to Dorn76
That should say "major streetcorner".
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roxsteady
November 9, 2009 12:57 PM
These people are insane. And for trashing the President's family, I've got an impecatory prayer for all of them. I wish nothing death, pain and the destruction of they're entire family! I don't care if this makes me sound as crazy as they are. I'm only sorry that Dr. Tiller wasn't available to their moms. We might have been spared from these subhuman pieces of garbage!
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roxsteady
November 9, 2009 12:59 PM
Actually, since these pigs will be protesting at Ft Hood tomorrow, I hope that a car backfires prompting a spray of bullets from the military into their crowd of loons!
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mmanion
November 9, 2009 7:25 PM in reply to roxsteady
Where do they get the money to drive around the country inflicting themselves on others? Doesn't the Bible say something about working if you want to eat? God's little parasites, I guess.
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Orlando
November 9, 2009 1:00 PM
I believe some frat boys at the University of Chicago have hit on the appropriate response to a protest by the Westboro Baptist Church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZfZiBRFM5w
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stefsstuff
November 9, 2009 10:27 PM in reply to Orlando
Seemed to have worked as they made their exit pretty quickly and not one of them would look, as if it were contagious.
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Orlando
November 10, 2009 7:21 AM in reply to stefsstuff
Yep. It's like a feeding frenzy for hateful people when their hate is returned. It only makes them stronger. But mock them and they lose their shit. As disgusting as they are, we should be laughing at these clowns. Loudly and repeatedly.
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howie911
November 10, 2009 12:57 PM in reply to Orlando
Reminds me of a Star Trek (original series) episode, when an alien entity boards the Enterprise. Klingons were aboard and the entity fed on the hate fostered between the crew and the Klingons. Kirk realized what was happening and did exactly as you suggest, laughing away the bad vibes and forcing the entity to go elsewhere. If only this would work with the WBC.
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aikbay
November 9, 2009 1:02 PM
I am sure Faux News is going to be asking every single GOP congresscritter to criticize Westboro, uhm, not.
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mikedrevguy
November 9, 2009 1:08 PM in reply to aikbay
If the GOP was so concerned about the public address by the president to school-aged children - asking them, challenging them to do better, be better, make US better - then why aren't they more vocal about this clear example of 'indoctrination'?
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Jackster
November 9, 2009 1:04 PM
Could they not just disappear one night and never be heard from again? Just say'n
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stillidealistic
November 9, 2009 1:12 PM
Just when I thought people couldn't sink any lower. I'm sick to my stomach...
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Richardxx
November 9, 2009 1:13 PM
Westboro Baptist Church - another example of the insanity and general toxic nature of the Christian Churches.
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matyra
November 9, 2009 1:23 PM in reply to Richardxx
I kind of think that they are a church in-name-only. They seem to focus on politicking continuously, not worshiping anything substantial except spreading slander. Just my opinion.
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Lizskin
November 9, 2009 6:16 PM in reply to matyra
Honestly, using WBC to smear all Christians is about the same as Gaubitz using the Ft. Hood massacre to call for a ban on all Muslims in the military. I'm not a Christian, but while the nut jobs do tend to have the loudest megaphones (and here we are handing one to these idiots), I suspect the vast majority abhor creeps like WBC about as much as you or me.
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Lizskin
November 9, 2009 6:17 PM in reply to Lizskin
I meant to say, about as much as you or I do.
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Richardxx
November 9, 2009 11:30 PM in reply to Lizskin
I see that you got my point.
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slb
November 9, 2009 3:06 PM in reply to Richardxx
I don't think they are actually a church of any kind. They evidently are not affiliated with any actual Baptist convention. Sounds like their only doctrine is right-wing politics.
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The Grand Panjandrum
November 9, 2009 1:13 PM
Westboro Baptist Church Haters = Beckian Teabaggers - Flag Burning - Protesting at Funerals of Dead Americans Troops.
That really is the only difference so far as I can tell.
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Cal Damage
November 9, 2009 8:05 PM in reply to The Grand Panjandrum
Your math says in a few simple symbols what paragraphs of text fail to explicate.
Nice work.
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toxophilite
November 9, 2009 1:16 PM
Does this "church" get churchy tax benefits?
Maybe the entire 15 person congregation could get one of those 72 hour involuntary holds in the local mental ward. Some of them would surely qualify for further services.
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kernel
November 11, 2009 2:58 PM in reply to toxophilite
In the interests of cost reductions, Kansas Legislature closed all the state-operated mental institutions a few years ago in favor of local facilities that never materialized. (Guess which party pushed that idea.) Now we have the Phelpses on the loose and other unfortunates padding around town in bedroom slippers.
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matyra
November 9, 2009 1:19 PM
The poster that the protesters are holding is in error. Obama does in fact eat frog legs, but they are always cooked. Man, they should get their facts straight!
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Jackster
November 9, 2009 1:21 PM
Obama should go all Chicago on their asses
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mindfulofpastdisasters
November 9, 2009 7:15 PM in reply to Jackster
Surely Obama should go "San Francisco" in their asses?
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dougmorrison
November 9, 2009 1:29 PM
So...what do tolerant people do about intolerant people? Take em out! As Malcom X said, ".....in this day, which we intend to bring into existence By Any Means Necessary". Let's use the same tactics we used against Rev. Butler and the Neo Nazis. Sue them and then take their assets. They won't be able to go anywhere or do anything without money.
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Gloria
November 9, 2009 1:35 PM
If you check out their website you'll see they have a hefty agenda of harassing schools, Jewish and Christian organizations, even picketing at Arlington Cemetery. It must take a lot of energy to hate darned near everyone on the planet.
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sdf
November 9, 2009 1:44 PM
Gosh these folks need to seriously get a life. Today's nonsense is just one more evidence of this. But that its a protest of Obama's children's school is not surprising to me. This group haphazardly protests like rapid-fire out of an uzi directing fire at anyone and everyone.
My aunt and uncle live in Topeka, KS where the Phelps family (Westboro Baptist Church)is from. These folks picket churches, regardless of whether they are conservative or liberal on issues of human sexuality. They picketed the largest Catholic Church in Kansas - Most Pure Heart, where my aunt and uncle attend. They picketed my friend's baptist seminary graduation. When I lived in Michigan it was their practice to picket military funerals saying that the war was God's judgment for the US's support of gays and lesbians. The state of Michigan passed a law specifically because of these people that you can't picket funerals.
It is sad really. They have no life and no chances of finding anything to do but picket. They were disfellowshipped from the Southern Baptist Church long, long ago. They live to stir things up. The church is primarily made up of a single family and many of them have legal degrees. I spoke with a friend who was the chief assistant for the Attorney General of Kansas in the early 90s who said they operate always just inside the law and that they were looking for anyway they could to keep them in line and from being a nuisance to everyone else. No one has succeeded yet in keeping them in check.
They are a scourge and a pox on society and have been for a long time.
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11A7E
November 9, 2009 1:46 PM
These might absolutely be the worst people alive.
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An Outhouse
November 9, 2009 1:51 PM
With a police presence, I would march the children out and gather them around, then when physical contact is made or unacceptable language is heard , have the nuts arrested. I'm sure most reasonable judges would be very sympathetic to deranged assholes shouting crap outside a school.
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jdb316
November 9, 2009 9:03 PM in reply to An Outhouse
That would give these clowns what they want - publicity and attention. If they get arrested, they're going to be on TV and in the papers.
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StinkyFox
November 9, 2009 1:53 PM
Just look at her sun glasses.
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MT from CC
November 9, 2009 2:10 PM
Odd to attack the children of the one of the few well adjusted first families -- one happy marriage, two loving heterosexual parents, all well-educated and responsible, two lovely and well-loved children -- while spewing loyalty to a party and cause which has given us Larry "Wide-Stance, I like my sex in the airport men's room" Craig, David "I committed adultery with hookers" Vitter, John "My top staffers not only work hard, they f*&k me hard too, and their husbands only mind a little if I pay them" Ensign, Newt "I was blown while still married, and abandoned one of my 3 wives when she was recovering from cancer treatments" Gingrich (actually, never mind, they hate Gingrich too . . . because he's too liberal), and dozens of other Republicans up to their eyeball in scandals that speak volumes to the hyprocrisy in GOP members who invoke family values -- Mike Duvall (CA Assemblyman until the sex with lobbyists scandal resulted in his resignation), Paul Stanley (Former TE state senator until sex with 22 year old intern gave rise to his resignation), Governor Mark Sanford (who hiked the Blue Ridge via repeated a king-sized bed shared with his extramarital lover in Buenos Aires), Dick Armey (who was accused of secually harassing his students), Bob Barr (paid for his 2nd wife's abortion, breached child support obligations to the children of his first two wives), William "I am a gambling addict who wired $1.4 Milllion to pay off gambling losses" Bennett, and on and on teh list goes. I love a good glass house.
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docrocktex
November 10, 2009 7:26 AM in reply to MT from CC
bravo!
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Nebton
November 10, 2009 11:13 AM in reply to MT from CC
I don't think they like the Republicans, either. In fact, IIRC, Fred Phelps once supported a Democratic candidate (a long time ago).
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AJM
November 9, 2009 2:19 PM
Golly, they really do have a talent for making the ugliness behind the causes they support apparent.
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jmichaeli
November 9, 2009 2:25 PM
their word is different than the Word they purport to espouse.
In Matthew 19:13-15 it says, "Then little children were brought to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them.
Jesus said, 'Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.'
When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there."
but they think it is justified to attack the children and make them evil. they suffer their own little children, as i've personally seen at one of their protests, by having them spew hate and lies about anything and everyone.
they are the modern pharisees...
oh, and they would attack me, as a non-believer, for daring to quote what they believe, but, hey, it's their Word not mine...
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WordSmith
November 9, 2009 2:31 PM
My thinking is the Quakers have a better handle on the Gospel than Mr. Phelps and his ill-behaved family.
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denisrobert
November 9, 2009 3:07 PM
Westboro is not fringe. Its views are quite mainstream within the Evangelical community, in fact. They just have the "courage" to say out loud what is said every Sunday in Church.
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jmichaeli
November 9, 2009 3:39 PM in reply to denisrobert
too true and that makes it not only much sadder but actually much more dangerous; Phelps screams, jumps up and down, shouts; the others lie secretly and silently in wait and there is no way we can know what they are really doing. scary...
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Jezreel
November 9, 2009 5:30 PM in reply to denisrobert
denisrobert, if you really believe that Westboro B.C. is not a fringe group comprised of severely misguided hate-mongers who are "Christians" in name only and that they are instead, representative of all American Evangelicals you are the one who is severely misguided in your view of Christians generally and Evangelical Christians particularly.
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mmanion
November 9, 2009 7:31 PM in reply to denisrobert
Now that is scary! Wonder how they would feel if atheists and agnostics picketed at the funerals of their loved ones shouting 'the cosmos has condemned you to an eternal existence as soul-less biological molecules!'
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JNagarya
November 10, 2009 9:26 AM in reply to denisrobert
"Mainstream" within the evangelical "community"; but the evangelical "community" is itself fringe.
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cinesimon
November 9, 2009 3:08 PM
These guys are no different to tea bagger movement, and republicans. Now they've legitimized the likes of Alex Jones to bolster their numbers, I have no doubt people who share the same dark ages values as this lot are heavily represented within the right wing & republican base.
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slb
November 9, 2009 3:10 PM
These people are despicable. And that goes for Randall Terry, too.
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BR1NDEL
November 9, 2009 3:21 PM
The protests from the Westboro Baptist Church are exactly along the same lines of ignorance, hate, and vitriol that is evident in the Tea Party Protests or the 9/12 Rallies.
Why hasn't any journalist, reporter or News Organization made the connection?!?
I don't understand it....
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NotFooledByDistractions
November 9, 2009 3:22 PM
These folks are all excellent arguments for birth control
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Nowukkers
November 9, 2009 3:34 PM in reply to NotFooledByDistractions
And abortion.
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Whenwillthisnightmareend
November 9, 2009 4:02 PM
It's what's religion is made of: HATE! Can't get enough of it.
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krill
November 9, 2009 4:27 PM
I actually love these people! They unwittingly and fearlessly do good liberal work. I wonder whether they're really a radical gay performance art troupe. they probably wind up liberalizing people more than a lot of liberals do!
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JNagarya
November 10, 2009 9:31 AM in reply to krill
There's a counter-protest for ya: dress identically as them, then "come out," revealing that they group is actually a troupe of gay street performers.
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lyric thompson
November 9, 2009 5:29 PM
These people are truly hateful. I for one feel sorry for them . I hear a lot of anger over their behavior, and rightly so. It is despicable to say the least. The way to deal with them, that is the question. Typically we as a society would or do respond to this vile hate with what I like to call righteous hate. And the result is yes you guessed it more hate. Might I humbly suggest another course of action? When ever these people protest, yes every time, have people there of all faiths praying in what manor their beliefs dictate for them . Yes with signs saying { hey westboro people we love you come back from the dark side.] Have hippies with love signs , Buddhist monks chanting, Native Americans praying and chanting... Have this group of PrAYER Protesters follow them around... every where . You never know it might work. If not it would annoy the crap out of the West Boro clan.
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restore4u
November 9, 2009 6:24 PM
I grew up in Topeka and the Phelps are killing this poor town. It is a nice community who are terrorized daily by these loons. My brother got beaten up in front of our church for pushing through their picket on the church steps. They are the essence of evil and they drain the life out of that town. Once you graduate, you get the hell out of town like I did. There are very few young people in their 20's and 30's there. It is really quite surreal. It's victimization at its finest. And they are all attorneys so you can't do a thing to them. Numerous things have been done to curb their activities and they always end up making lots of money off the City of Topeka in the form of lawsuits. At least old Fred Phelps is dying a torturous death from Parkinsons... too bad his spawn will pick up and continue this freak show indefinitely.
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mJJ
November 10, 2009 12:36 AM in reply to restore4u
I know your feelings. My Southern Baptist husband was a very sane and sensible Christian who would have been appalled if some comment like this were made by a Christian. Amazing that anyone claiming to be a Christian could make such a hate filled statement. And as if the merits of the comment were not disgusting enough, that they did it outside of a school children were attending makes it far more egregious. People who expose children to this sort of harassment do so at their own peril and obviously forget the Savior's admonition to treat little children with love. That this hate mongering person bears the label of Baptist is a shame to that wonderful division of the Lord's Church and further, it does not reflect the ideals of true Baptists.
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artgurrl
November 9, 2009 7:24 PM
I am normally a very peaceful person. But when I see people like this, it makes my blood boil and want to just cut loose and beat the hell out of them.
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grtpyrmd
November 9, 2009 8:22 PM
these people are, surprise-surprise, obsessed with the gothic comic book of revelation... they long for an apocalypse... they think the bloodbath won't touch them... they think the mother ship will capture them up into the air, where they can watch safely as the rest of us sinners die horribly... they are so charming, aren't they... the eternal lake of fire is justice in their view... fuck them and the christ or mohammed horse they rode in on... oh wait, there are four horses, right... they better pray there is no god....
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SmellMe
November 9, 2009 8:32 PM
At some point (if not already), these people will incite violence or perpetrate it themselves. Here's Morris Dees' 1995 article in TRIAL addressing taking hate groups to court.
http://www.splcenter.org/pdf/static/courtroom_victories.pdf
Marcia
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Winston Smith
November 9, 2009 9:14 PM
"They believe that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks...are punishment from God for tolerance of homosexuality."
Actually, maybe god blew down WTC Building 7 and kicked that little hole in the Pentagon. Yeah, that's it! Thanks, fucking crazy retards, you solved the mystery. Why didn't the 9/11 whitewash commission think of that?
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manyamile
November 9, 2009 9:48 PM
have they no shame? keep that poison away from the kids.
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Kuyleh
November 9, 2009 10:29 PM
I hope the MPs shoot every one of them in the head if they really do step foot on base with anything but the highest amount of respect for the people that died. I'll pay for the damn bullets.
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Kevin Cassidy
November 9, 2009 10:31 PM
I ran into these nutjobs on my way home from work a few months ago. They were picketing across from the Auditorium Theater here in Chicago. They were so hate filled and crazy that it was truly scary.
I got on line when I arrived at home to see what was going on at the Auditorium that was attracting these miscreants. It was Don Rickles.
DON RICKLES!!!
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babeuf
November 9, 2009 10:54 PM in reply to Kevin Cassidy
DON RICKLES!!! WTF! I think I feel an aneurysm coming on from the absurdity of it all.
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JohnBFontaine
November 10, 2009 12:32 AM in reply to Kevin Cassidy
Don Rickles takes on neo-nazis! More power to you, Don!
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CF2K
November 9, 2009 11:38 PM
Is anyone surprised to see Fred Phelps stalking prepubescent girls?
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CF2K
November 9, 2009 11:41 PM
Oh, and what restore4u said: I live in Wichita, but I'm from Seattle. And in the 90's, I met a number of Topeka expats out there who couldn't put enough continent between themselves and Phelps.
Even in Wichita, aka Wingnut Ground Zero, Uncle Fred and his inbred hate cult are reviled, without exception, across the spectrum.
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JohnBFontaine
November 10, 2009 12:29 AM
These ideots are just a bunch of Theo-Fascist neo-nazis. Even more to the right than the Tea Party Mob.
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SkippyFlipjack
November 10, 2009 2:15 AM
wasn't this the same group that came to san francisco to protest the funeral of randy shilts? their van pulled up and met a counter-protest 10x as large, so they got back in their van and drove back to who-cares-where-ville.
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Verified
November 10, 2009 2:19 AM
Ah, the "ocean of darkness" laps up against Sidwell Friends. Who better to find meaning and growth-producing discussion on the rights of citizens to peacefully petition their government than those who run and attend a Friends' school? Pity the poor folks from Westboro - their venom is wasted there.
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sommers
November 10, 2009 3:48 AM
Ahhh, Sidwell Friends school. This is where all the politicians that oppose school choice for the public, send their children. High quality learning and discipline goes on there. You "eaters" out there...well just go to the darn public school over there.
Phelps and WBC ? It takes all kinds I guess.
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JNagarya
November 10, 2009 9:42 AM in reply to sommers
It isn't opposition to "shcool choice" because "school choice" exists. What bothers you is that gov't doesn't fund the "choice," so one must pay for it.
Let's see . . . you're against the gov't sponsoring education because that makes it indoctrination. There should only be schools which teach only the "Good Book" -- and those should be gov't-funded.
And against it funding health care, because that's "socialism".
And against the health care choice of abortion.
And against contraception because it reduces the birth rate of white folks as compared with the "exploding" birth rates of those not sufficiently white.
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Capitalist War Machine
November 10, 2009 5:20 PM in reply to sommers
As a graduate of Sidwell Friends, I'd like to add that very few of the students are the children of politicians (my class didn't have any). Most of the students of the school manage to attend by dint of their intellectual caliber alone (for instance, I went to the school mainly on grants). In fact, most of the students at that school are more intelligent in adolescence than most people are in adulthood, apparently including yourself.
Wait. You wouldn't happen to be from Maret, would you?
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Overreach THIS!
November 10, 2009 4:01 AM
Why homosexuality, though?
How do we know that God is not punishing us for demon rum? Or pornography? Or not declaring a real war on prostitution? Or creeping legalization of marijuana? Or the unprovoked invasion of Iraq? Or failure to stop genocide in Rwanda? Or what about rock 'n roll? God likes country, but he hates rock 'n roll, right? The Almighty don't boogie! And blues and jazz are the devil's music; isn't he livid over them? Or masturbation? Sex outside of marriage? Why isn't mad that we are destroying the environment? How do we know he's not infuriated that we haven't all converted to Hinduism? Or that we kill animals and eat meat? Anal sex -- I personally find that disgusting; how can we be sure that God is not really steamed about heterosexuals having anal sex? Or petting outside marriage? Or kissing outside marriage?
Surely these people are not saying that petting outside of marriage is okay with God, right? So since they aren't saying that, how can we be sure that petting is not what the Supreme Being is so wound up about?
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WriterWriter
November 10, 2009 11:40 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
Lordie... There's NO GOD. There is no old white bearded guy hanging in the clouds directing traffic.
If THAT fantasy was not part of any of this, humans would finally have the blinders off about how much time - and BLOOD we've wasted.
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Overreach THIS!
November 10, 2009 1:54 PM in reply to WriterWriter
Yessirree! And the Obama girls would have an easier ride home!
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mikedrevguy
November 11, 2009 10:10 AM in reply to Overreach THIS!
OH, and you haven't even begun to touch the issues of greed and materialism, the fact that we do such an abysmal job at taking care of the widows, orphans, and aliens (yeah, we're supposed to care for them: not E.T.) Haven't begun to address the fact that, not simply do we take advantage of the poor for our own financial/positional gain - we enact laws that legalize this gross abuse.
yeah, Writer Writer - understand you don't believe in a God. But for those of us who do, please allow us the opportunity to call to accountability those within our community who side-step what we reportedly claim to believe.
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sommers
November 10, 2009 5:20 AM
People like Phelps probably feel that homosexuality challenges their core beliefs on family and structure. Marriage has its roots in religion but has been usurped by the state. They cannot abide that fact.
All the other petty hatreds or fears they have are merely to keep their own flock in line, not God's will.
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JNagarya
November 10, 2009 9:09 AM in reply to sommers
Marriage has not been "usurped by the state". Even during the height of the Massachuetts-Bay religiotyranny/theocracy the state had a stake in marriages.
There are numerous necessary social reasons for tracking marriages, births, and deaths, which have nothing to do with "religion". Thus the state has a legitimate stake in marriage, regardless whether "religion" is involved.
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WriterWriter
November 10, 2009 11:44 AM in reply to sommers
Marriage does NOT have its base in religion. It has a base in PROPERTY and ownership and establishing a means by which assets were kept in families. Religion became the packaging for those concepts. That is all.
Religion is social control and nothing more. Anyone with the slightest inclination can easily research what religion is, how it is USED and why it is essential to the political structure.
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Bwakfat
November 10, 2009 7:51 AM
Canada wouldn't let them in.
Aren't their obscenity laws? These people are obscene.
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ejg3
November 10, 2009 9:58 AM
Stange as it may seem. Phelps claims to be a Democrat and has run for office (but never been elected) in that party's primary in Kansas. He is also a disbarred attorney.
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artwrite
November 10, 2009 10:42 AM
These people are but one more good argument against freedom of religious expression. I want to say more, but then I will sound like the. Only I'm educated and know more swear words.
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WriterWriter
November 10, 2009 11:16 AM in reply to artwrite
Just curious: would you really rather that this type of thought - these people - be shovelled underground, to let their poison fester in secret? See communist Russia for example. If that doesn't work, look to any repressive regime in the world today.
Better they spill their hate in public, where the VAST majority can hear it and comment against it.
Yes, their views are utterly disgusting, but beyond the members of a small, very, very abused family, people won't be joining this group because its members always expose themselves for exactly what they are.
Can you imagine, however, who Mr. Phelps might have been had he been able to come out and do so safely?
IF you want to know the effect of religion, repression and abuse on gay people from his generation, you need only look to him.
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WriterWriter
November 10, 2009 11:05 AM
Phelps senior is a GAY MAN! For pete's sake, why doesn't anyone near him start asking his life long friends what - who - he was up to in his youth????
And, rumour has it that his 'grandson' by his daughter, Shirley, is actually his SON!
This guy deserves to be exposed for everything he obviously is!
This family is a viper pit full of lies and its skeleton closet is bursting.
Isn't there a journalist in the area who wants to do a Pulitzer quality story?
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SOS ICEBERG
November 10, 2009 2:25 PM
sick fucks...die, painfully and slowly.
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chilledmonkeybrains
November 11, 2009 5:32 AM in reply to SOS ICEBERG
We can hope. Phelps turns 80 this week (on Friday the 13th, ahem) and doesn't look healthy. I'm not that young either, but I'm determined to live long enough to spit on his grave.
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kernel
November 10, 2009 6:12 PM
If you really want to puke you can go to their website http://www.godhatesfags.com/ \
I've been around them, met Fred (he's as nutty as you suspect) and watched them protest every church, the newspaper and whatever else they thought would get them some ink. The paper had a proper policy of not covering them unless they got run over while protesting. That didn't happen, but not because it wasn't tried. And WriterWrit, the newspaper suspected what you allege, and followed Fred's history back to grade school in another state. They found no evidence that he's a latent or any other kind of homosexual. The really sad thing is that Fred has turned his children and his grandchildren into the same kind of sick f**k he is. You could call it child abuse.
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shortlilartist
November 10, 2009 6:30 PM
yea they are sick. but the saddest part is that most of them were brainwashed literally from when they were born, children holding signs and they dont know any better. they believe the sick hate their parents teach them. they should all be gassed to get rid of their group.
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