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Fox News today found a new reason to criticize President Obama's speech on the attempted bombing of Flight 253: His use of the word "allegedly" to describe the suspected terrorist's actions was "Harvard Law School talking, that's not commander-in-chief talking."

On Fox and Friends today, Fox analyst Peter Johnson, Jr. and anchor Alisyn Camerota criticized the president's address yesterday on Flight 253.

Johnson said that he had some "concern" that "there was a detached reserved way in which he was speaking."

He continued: "I wanted a little bit more in terms of communicating to me that he was on it, that our government is all over it, and they're going to do the right thing in terms of protecting us."

Camerota agreed: "You rarely see him getting fired up, but in this instance the use of the term 'allegedly,' to your point, that's Harvard Law School talking, that's not commander-in-chief talking. So he needs to you know change his, some would say, rhetoric."

Here's the full clip:

To put things in perspective, Johnson recently got some attention for his rhetorical gem of a statement that Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) knows that "the true meaning of Christmas is that you don't destroy babies. You don't destroy children."

Camerota, for her part, once asked "If there is no federal money used to subsidize abortions for low-income women, doesn't that mean there will be more low-income babies?"

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December 29, 2009 11:35 AM   

Yup, no reason to conduct an investigation or trial...if Faux Gnaws says he's a ter'ist what more proof would you need?

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December 30, 2009 12:09 PM    in reply to kevbo

Must be because they do not understand the term or the legal implications for branding someone guilty before trail!

Idiots--- as well as liars!

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December 29, 2009 11:35 AM   

They need to STFU.

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December 29, 2009 12:11 PM    in reply to Rich in NJ

Some would say this.

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December 29, 2009 12:44 PM    in reply to Cool Blue Reason

Include me in that some!!

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December 29, 2009 2:37 PM    in reply to Cool Blue Reason

lol

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December 29, 2009 11:39 AM   

Damn this elitist president for knowing the laws, right? I am so glad he knows and respects what my rights are as opposed to some others who obviously do not.

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December 29, 2009 1:44 PM    in reply to Prudy

What color is your skin? What, if any, deities do you put ultimate faith in (where none=Satan)?

The are important questions that will decide your judicial fate in the US.

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December 29, 2009 11:40 AM   

right, i forgot, anything above 3 syllables is too complicater for then to comprehend...

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December 29, 2009 11:41 AM    in reply to Given Up

gah, sorry, typo, that should of course read complicated

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December 29, 2009 11:44 AM   

Yeah. Why even bother with a trial? Let's just take him to Gitmo and torture him slowly to death. That's the Rethuglican way!

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December 29, 2009 11:50 AM   

After 8 years of Bush, we shouldn't be surprised they think mindless bravado is "Commander in Chief talking".

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December 29, 2009 5:19 PM    in reply to Dorn76

Exactly. Dubya couldn't understand or pronounce a word over one syllable if the word bit him in his ignorant, cowardly butt.

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December 29, 2009 11:50 AM   

Fox news analysts and anchors see Obama for what he is: a hollow sham, an empty suit, a boring bobble-head. We need fire & fury in the White House. Palin/Bachmann, 2012.

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December 29, 2009 12:04 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

More fire and fury in the White House? What does that even mean?

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December 29, 2009 12:35 PM    in reply to Pragmatic

A re-run of 2001-2008, without the deep thinking of George W Bush.

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December 29, 2009 12:05 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

'Palin/Bachmann, 2012'

That would be my dream Republican ticket. I think I'm gonna make up some bumper stickers.

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December 29, 2009 1:40 PM    in reply to Forrest

It's all Democrats dream ticket also!

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December 29, 2009 4:52 PM    in reply to Forrest

Don't forget the First Dude!!!!
He can handle all the lists, the 'no-fly list' and the 'personal vendetta' roster.

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December 29, 2009 3:06 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Screw Bachmann, she's a pussy. Palin/Theplumber 2012!

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December 30, 2009 11:50 AM    in reply to runfastandwin

The plumber? Wasn't he that bald guy? That Jake Gannon guy? Oh, no, maybe I was looking into the wrong stall.

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December 29, 2009 3:44 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

They both have no brains and lack vocabulary. Keep dreaming.

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December 29, 2009 5:10 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

So you think the woman with bionic eyes, that can see Russia from Alaska should be president? Wow, she is about as dumb as a stump. And I know you can't see Russia from AK, I spent six years up there. Yes you can see it from ONE spot, the St. Matthews/Paul Islands, they are about 10 miles from Russia. From the mainland or from the Aluetian chain? Not a chance.

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December 29, 2009 5:20 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

Palin and Bachman? Ha! Laurel and Hardy would be a better ticket -- and they're DEAD!

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December 29, 2009 7:39 PM    in reply to Sailormarlowe

You forgot to say "I want my country back".

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December 29, 2009 11:54 AM   

There is some question if this was an AQAP plot, or rather they're claiming as much now.

Heaven forbid a President waits to get the facts.

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December 29, 2009 11:56 AM   

When Peter Johnson Jr. and/or Alyson Camerota are sitting in the Oval Office they are welcome to communicate in monosyllable. Until then, they should do us all a favor and STFU.

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December 29, 2009 2:17 PM    in reply to agio

That's Alisyn Camerota. Allegedly, that's the middle school, you're-not-the-boss-of-me spelling of Allison/Alison. At least, that's what some people are saying

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December 29, 2009 2:39 PM    in reply to David Sloane

Alisyn Camerota: Some say her parents are idiots who can't spell. We report, you decide.

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December 29, 2009 7:40 PM    in reply to pittprof

LOL! I just spit out my coffee!

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December 29, 2009 11:57 AM   

snicker...I just thought you were temporarerly (snort) channeling George "AWOL" Bush.

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December 29, 2009 1:38 PM    in reply to bill57

For accuracy's sake, Shrub only had AWOL status for the first 30 days. After that, according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, he was considered a Deserter.

But in the interest of maintaining the integrity of the GOP's alternative universe/reality, please always refer to the international war criminal as a brilliant geo-political strategist and war hero.

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December 29, 2009 1:55 PM    in reply to tiowally

AWOL status does not attach until 24 hours have elapsed. Up until the 24th hour, the servicemember is considered FTR (Failure To Report/Repair). From 24 hours - 30 days, the servicemember is considered AWOL, and after 30 days, deserter status does attach (as you pointed out).

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December 29, 2009 2:03 PM    in reply to Signalman

So in short, Shrub was a Deserter.

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December 29, 2009 2:05 PM    in reply to tiowally

Works for me.

Even if he was hung over and passed out in a ditch somewhere, it wouldn't have been that hard for him to show back up before 24 hours had gone by.

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December 29, 2009 11:58 AM   

oops...thought the above was a response to Given Up

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December 29, 2009 12:06 PM   

And these people say they read the Bible and believe it to be the word of God.

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December 29, 2009 12:10 PM   

We're surrounded by idiots.

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December 29, 2009 12:11 PM   

Now you see why Fox News has such a love affair with Bush, Cheney and the rest of the neo-con gang. Strong national security in their minds, is saying "wanted dead or alive", "fascism islam-o-terrorist", "smoke 'em out" or pounding your fist on the table.

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December 29, 2009 12:15 PM   

RFLMAO....Every time one of these "conservadicks" spews something stupid I'm reminded of how fortunate we are to have a president who actually thinks before he speaks. I have my issues with Pres.Obama but I'm glad he's our president these times of uncertainty.

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December 29, 2009 2:13 PM    in reply to ru4862

Me tool We have the smartest, best president since FDR.

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December 30, 2009 2:02 AM    in reply to lousgirl84

In danger of being accused as an Obamabot, I rather have Obama than McCain, Palin, or any of the other shit-for-brains the party of "NO" has to offer. He's not perfect, but then again, nobody is.

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December 29, 2009 12:17 PM   

The Dems cave and still get crap from the GOP... oops meant Fox News. They were complaining the President didn't make a statement on TV Christmas Day now he caved and went on TV and is getting crap.

Reminds me of my mother. Nothing I do pleases her... *sigh*

The President and Dems need to stop caving when are they going to learn - ever?

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December 29, 2009 12:30 PM   

Once again the right's fascism is showing.
Innocent until proven guilty, how quaint.
Rule of law, how old europe.
These guys want party oaths, loyalty to the leader, if he's theirs. And everyone else either shuts up or is re-educated.
What you expect from a bunch of brown shits... shirts. Heil der leader...

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December 29, 2009 12:31 PM   

" The Constitution's just a goddam piece of paper!"
George W. Bush

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December 30, 2009 2:03 AM    in reply to jeffgee

lmfao!

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December 29, 2009 12:32 PM   

my favorite: "stop these crazed lunatics" -- kinda self-referential, eh?

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December 29, 2009 12:37 PM   

Umm, so they're saying they want the President to telegraph to the Salafists exactly what he is doing or say "smoke 'em out" or "dead or alive" or some such juvenile bullshit? Like the last guy? Oh, yeah, that was real effective! Or do they want him to so prejudice the jury pool that there is zero chance this guy can get a constitutionally acceptable trial? You know what I think? They are looking for ratings.

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December 29, 2009 12:39 PM   

I believe it is a fact that should a high government person or news organization fails to use the term allegedly, the defendant can file for mistrial as the jury would be influenced by an accusation stated as a fact. I guess Fox news wants the bomber to get off. Why do they hate America so much?

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December 29, 2009 12:42 PM   

Me thinks the "crazed lunatics" are on the set of Fox and Friends.

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December 30, 2009 10:30 AM    in reply to tiredofit10

Some would say allegedly "crazed lunatics". But some would be wrong. At Faux News they crazed lunatics.

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December 29, 2009 1:03 PM   

firstly perhaps someone might want to point out to these nattering nabobs (sic!) that being laconic in the face of extreme tension is an old American custom that has its roots in Puritan dogma and fictional archetypes from Gary Cooper to Steve McQueen...secondly perhaps it could be pointed out to these same nabobs that Fox "news" does not have the market cornered on forms of expression...and thirdly, when that fails, perhaps someone, with some political clout, could simply and directly point out that Rupert Murdoch is a postmodern fascist who should be told to shut the fuck up for spending billions to take control of the political process and turn it into the Orwellian high-tech gulag it has become...

of course given the extent to which the presidency is a prisoner of the Corporatists, we'll no doubt just have to settle for the sclerotic status quo...

so it goes...

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December 29, 2009 1:06 PM   

Look, I support Obama and have nothing against "allegedly," but I Camerota was criticizing it as a legalism, not as a big word. The guy was caught in the act, after all.

As a lawyer, the President stuck to the legal assumption of innocence before the trial, but even though I disagree with Camerota, I think she is making a reasonable point in suggesting that it would be more effective if he, as President, acknowledged the obvious.

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December 29, 2009 1:49 PM    in reply to RHinDC

Whether he was caught in the act or not is immaterial. Suspects (and at this point, the guy *is* an accused suspect) get their day in court, whether they were caught in the act or not. And there's still a presumption of innocence in this country, whether we find the suspect (and his *alleged* actions) odious or not.

We're a better nation for adhering to our laws and criminal procedures, particularly in times when it is emotionally difficult for us to do so.

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December 29, 2009 2:03 PM    in reply to RHinDC

Camerota was criticizing "allegedly" as a legalism - but I disagree that it's a "good point" that The President should ignore procedure, legalism, and considered process.

I suggest that skipping the "alledgedly" phase because the conclusion seems obvious is the first step toward a Taliban style justice, where the obvious conclusion drives the process.


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December 29, 2009 2:05 PM    in reply to RHinDC

Right. He should have used her suggestion, "we're gonna stop these crazed lunatics!" DEAD OR ALIVE!

You know, some people say that they respect and support the President for as some people say, being intelligent and as some people say taking a more emotionally balanced and measured approach to such internationally explosive affairs. Some people say we shouldn't go to war with Yemen.

Fox has consistently been an outspoken champion for the loss of basic human and judicial rights in America since Reagan.

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December 29, 2009 2:28 PM    in reply to RHinDC

Yeah, I think you're correct in that they weren't accusing him of using too big a word (and I'm a little annoyed at TPM for spinning pretty hard on this). They were saying it would be more effective and leader-like, giving the appearance of being more in control.

Like you, I disagree with their opinion. A calm but firm demeanor actually communicates more control than tough talk and saber-rattling ever will. It says to the audience that the matter at hand is easily dealt with and doesn't worry the speaker.

To quote a Jay-Z song: "the strong move quiet; the weak start riots".

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December 29, 2009 3:10 PM    in reply to worthy9

But some say "allegedly" is too big of a word. As long as some say it, it might be true. There's two sides to every story.

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December 29, 2009 1:15 PM   

'Allegedly' is a big word? I think I learned that word in fourth grade...

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December 29, 2009 1:29 PM   

Short yellow bus coming to drop off cast members of Fox&Friends...beep beep! NO Harvard Speak Big Word Zone! No big words learnin from Crea-shun-ism. Had to break it into 3 otherwise it is too big a word.

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December 29, 2009 1:31 PM   

You need to, you know, stop rambling!!

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December 29, 2009 1:31 PM   

I am trying so hard to teach my kids that being educated is a good thing and is the way to get a good career and high paying job. Then they point to Fake News and say they will become Fox news broadcasters. What could I say...they had me there. Yes, stupid people can be successful too.

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December 29, 2009 1:48 PM   

Forbid that there be a president who knows and respects the law - and deals in the substance of issues. These ignoramuses are all about personality, style, and rhetoric. I could care less what these vacuous, superficial, blathering bullshitters think about anything.

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December 29, 2009 1:55 PM   

Obama should turn this on it's head. Come out with the Presidential 'Word of the Day'! A program to help increase the vocabulary of Amerkins.

That would be soshalizm though and we kant hav that.

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December 30, 2009 4:08 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

That's actually a pretty cool idea. Not just a "word of the day" but a "political word of the day". Too many people in this country are politically ignorant. This would be a little baby step to information.

Wait...we'd be the only ones reading it, wouldn't we? Nm. The more I realize how insane and uninformed the right is, the more I support death panels and indoctrination. Um...and selective breeding. Hey...it's not as bad as it sounds. Really.

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December 30, 2009 7:49 PM    in reply to WaitWut?

It might sound bad, but think of the immense amount of good it would do for the country.

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December 29, 2009 2:14 PM   

The closest anyone on Faux will get to Harvard Law School is their website. What little they know about the role of Commander in Chief, they learned from shrub...and a very bad example of it to boot. This is akin to the Hail Mary pass, except the receivers (the American people) are on a professional field with the tosser (faux news), playing on a child's playground. They are never going to connect.

Besides, they probably got in trouble for taking too much time looking up the definition of "Allegedly"!!!

What a bunch of whining dopes...

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December 29, 2009 2:15 PM   

It isn't even relevant if there is any validity to her point. Fox News representatives don't make points based upon whether they're true or not. Their job is to engage in propagandizing to manipulate the public. They're not criticizing the President because their team felt they had a good point to make, they're doing it because he's not on their side.

A chronic liar might tell you the truth if you casually ask him what time it is, but that doesn't change anything about how he'll behave when it's time to discuss something important.

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December 29, 2009 2:21 PM   

1) Aren't "allege" and its variants used legitimately to avoid the appearance of prejudging a case, and therefore honorable and necessary facets of the concept of presumed innocence, part of the legal bedrock of this country?

b) Isn't castigating a war-time president a treasonous offense, as established by the previous administration?

iii) Why do conservatives hate America?

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December 29, 2009 2:59 PM    in reply to wildwilly1111

"b) Isn't castigating a war-time president a treasonous offense, as established by the previous administration?"

No. But that doesn't meant that the "conservatives" aren't all traitors.

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December 30, 2009 7:08 PM    in reply to wildwilly1111

Conservatives hate America because conservatives are haters of anything and anyone they cannot understand and/or control.

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December 29, 2009 3:07 PM   

How funny and IGNORANT are these faux employees, really . .

Does anyone at faux ever use 'da googles'????

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December 29, 2009 3:18 PM   

I suppose FAUX is not in the habit of reading information from other websites, but really, one of the main stories on this website is an Iranian - Khamenei Aide calling for the EXECUTION of the opposition leader...now is that what FAUX News would call for: swift justice, ignore allegation, ignore facts, ignore trial just kill the guy! Then all those big constitutional words could be easily ignored!

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December 29, 2009 3:41 PM   

Geez - and I have family full of Fox watchers - it makes me nuts to think they are in my family.

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December 29, 2009 4:35 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

We only have one distant relative in our family hooked on FAUX, that has them separated from the entire family. It's really sad and self destructive as their whole world is unhappy, angry and disconnected from reality. We thought of an intervention, but lately we have found is that there are much deeper issues driving them to that dark place. Professionals are needed.

Maybe there should be a 12 Step Program to help walk people back from the extreme right.

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December 29, 2009 6:15 PM    in reply to Bloggin

It's really sad and self destructive as their whole world is unhappy, angry and disconnected from reality.

Welcome to the modern GOP!

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December 29, 2009 4:10 PM   

"Peter Johnson"...real name or porn name?

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December 29, 2009 5:18 PM   

DUBYA waited 6 days on the shoe bomber!

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December 29, 2009 5:26 PM   

I want to thank the republicans for proving once again that America is still a country where people who detest one another can live together.

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December 29, 2009 7:52 PM   

Nixon commented that Charles Manson was guilty of the Tate murders. Manson held up newspapers in court the next day with a headline "Manson Guilty, Nixon Declares", and launched a motion for a mistrial, which the judge denied.

Obama was taken to task for similar comments about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in November. Perhaps a thorough search of the Fox News files will produce their indictment of Obama for failing to use the term "alleged" on that occasion.

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December 29, 2009 8:08 PM   

Watch The Power of Nightmares, a BBC documentary (available free online). This will convince you that the headline of this article would more accurately be "Neoconservatives Revive 'Dems Are Weak' line". These Straussian SOBs will never stop with their fear-mongering until they turn this country into one big concentration camp for liberals.

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December 29, 2009 10:20 PM   

Had Bush responded to Tenet's memo warning of an imminent Al Qaeda attack in the U.S. in August, 2001 as quickly as the right wingers did today to Napolitan's comments maybe 3,00 New Yorkers would be alive today. Better to read "My Pet Goat" and hide for a few days while real terror strikes.

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December 29, 2009 10:27 PM   

This is why Democrats lose on stuff they have no spine to tell these douchebags to shut the hell up. Funny how they can only spout the line that he's weak. he's soft and can't back it up with any sort of proof or tangeable evidence.

How is this foiled attack proof that his foreign policy is failing?

Why do Americans flip out on this sort of stuff, I mean 45,000 people die from lack of healthcare where is that compassionate conservatism? But if an Arab blows up a plane and kills 100 plus people we call for an invasion of Yemen? Protect us from the Arabs but hey the health boards (death panels literally) ah well you lose some you lose some? That doesn't mean I want attacks but I'm sure the government can tighten its security and make improvements and we can prevent this from happening 9 and a half times out of ten. Terrorists have alot of safe havens in this world should we invade every single country?

Obama is the first president to put more focus on empowering the freedom movements in these countries because they need to stand up for themselves and earn their liberty and freedom. The U.S did 230 years ago and now these countries need to be enticed into it. Is that going to be easy of course not, but you know having a bunch of hillbilly morons saying see I told you so! Your a failure after 11 months (you know Bush got the full 8 years to be judged)

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December 29, 2009 11:59 PM   

Only an idiot would think "allegedly" is a useless word when it comes to the press.

If you insinuate that someone did something, and it has not been proven that they in fact did this, if you do not simply "allege"/make an allegation, then you could potentially be hit with a slander lawsuit, depending on the circumstances.

See, there's a good reason why you say that someone "allegedly" did something.

Not that the President is going to get slapped with a slander lawsuit anytime soon, of course. Further discussion on the matter would be nothing more than nitpicking.

http://www.topnflnews.com/

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December 30, 2009 3:21 AM   

This shit has long since been too inane to respond to intelligently.

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December 30, 2009 6:29 AM   

Apparently these people aren't old enough to remember all the trouble that Nixon stirred up by declaring Manson to be a murderer before his trial.

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December 30, 2009 8:06 AM   

I know our President is wayyy too classy to call these idiots out for what they are, but I would love for him to one day address the day-to-day unrelenting, unfounded criticisms and put them in their place. I really wish he would.

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December 30, 2009 8:46 AM   

"To stop these crazed lunatics"

Pot? Meet Kettle

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December 30, 2009 10:28 AM   

Essentially what Fox does is keep saying that the bar should be low as Geo Bush, anyone higher should be discounted. Actually there are many psychological issues going on here but the main one is the continued effort to prop up the illusion of authoritarian rule. It is crumbling and I suspect that once the Dems take the unstated or inferred brand mantle from the Republican Party (competence) and merge with its own brand mantle (sympathy) the party of FOX, Dobson, Limbaugh will go down anals of history. Make no mistake Wall Street is not going down with them.

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December 30, 2009 12:42 PM   

RWN is right on target with this analysis. What's sad is the number of people who actually believe or agree with the crap that's spewed on Faux News.

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December 30, 2009 4:26 PM   

What's the matter? They don't understand those big words? Funny as that's only a ten cent word. Wait till someone throws out a twenty-five dollar word, that'll send them for a loop.

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January 30, 2010 5:05 PM   

haha they waited like 6 days for the shoe bomber
http://www.m65jacket.com/

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February 9, 2010 11:52 PM   

If you are looking for kamagra go to Cheap Kamagra and if your looking for m65 jacket go to M65 Field Jacket

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