
Former New York City Mayor Ed Koch (D) said on Fox News today that though "the vast majority of Muslims" are "not terrorists," there are "hundreds of millions who are."
Of course the vast majority of Muslims, there are 400 million, are not terrorists. But there are hundreds of millions who are. They want to kill every Christian, every Jew, every Hindu who won't convert. And we ought to put it on the table.
Here's the clip:
slb
January 7, 2010 5:35 PM
Ed Koch evidently studied math from the same guy Karl Rove did.
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docrocktex
January 7, 2010 5:43 PM
Is he senile?
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Big River Bandido
January 8, 2010 12:13 AM in reply to docrocktex
No, he's just a poster child for why mayors of New York can't attain higher office.
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sagesource
January 8, 2010 12:51 AM in reply to docrocktex
No, but the people pulling his strings are crazy.
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Mordechai
January 7, 2010 5:46 PM
This ought to be taken down, since you've misquoted Koch and the misquote is the entire foundation of the article. He says that there are "one billion, 400 million" Muslims and 1.4 billion is indeed around exactly how many Muslims there are.
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docrocktex
January 7, 2010 5:53 PM in reply to Mordechai
But that still doesn't address his outrageous comment that hundreds of millions of muslims are terrorists.
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RuperttheBear
January 7, 2010 6:27 PM in reply to Mordechai
Are you high?
He states how many muslims he thinks there are.
Notes that he thinks not all are terrorist.
And then he states that there are hundreds of millions of muslims who are terrorists.
Which is complete crap.
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sagesource
January 8, 2010 12:53 AM in reply to RuperttheBear
"Which is complete crap."
Fortunately, or we'd be up to our eyes in blood, not all of it theirs.
Or maybe Koch thinks that any Muslim who may harbor reservations about the US is a terrorist.
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cinesimon
January 7, 2010 7:21 PM in reply to Mordechai
Mordechai, what's wrong with simply correcting it?
Are you also the type who'd rather buy a new car than change a flat tyre?
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OxamzRazor
January 7, 2010 5:46 PM
Is Koch on crack?
First off: there are 1 billion plus Muslims in the world.
Second, if there were "hundreds of millions" who are terrorists, there wouldn't be an America right now. Or a Europe. Or a Jew left on Earth.
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Heraldblog
January 7, 2010 5:55 PM in reply to OxamzRazor
By "terrorist" Koch obviously means Muslims who don't bow down before American exceptionalism, or who don't appreciate having a bomb dropped on their heads.
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JadeZ
January 7, 2010 5:59 PM
would all of those hundreds of millions of Muslims be attacked as anti-semetic for calling koch a racist?, which he obvious is.
open heart surgery which koch recently had is known to cause brain issues.
koch obviously lost his during the operation.
sad case.
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Tanjaoui
January 7, 2010 6:09 PM
Typical New York hick.
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GayIthacan
January 7, 2010 6:15 PM
This fossil is still alive?
And able to craft sentences in English??????
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twocanpete
January 7, 2010 6:19 PM
You Might Be A Terrorist If…
1. You really don’t have much use for a tanning bed
2. You own or work in a convenience store / gas station
3. You or any of your relatives live in Detroit
4. You pretty much hate pork chops
5. Christmas isn’t a big deal where you come from
6. You like your women a little on the hairy side
7. You happen to think Al-Jazeera rocks
8. When marriage counseling doesn’t work, stoning is always an option
9. There are no top buttons on any of your shirts
10. When the government’s not threatening to water-board you, they’re trying to hire you as a translator.
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jsdc007
January 7, 2010 6:29 PM in reply to twocanpete
ROFL! That deserves to be showcased on Letterman!
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ultracool
January 7, 2010 6:27 PM
Most homosexuals are not racist bigots but hundreds of millions of Ed Kochs are.
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kunda311
January 7, 2010 6:35 PM
As far as America is concerned, terrorism didn't exist before September 11, 2001, and all terrorists are invariably non-white. Ted Kaczynski and Tim McVeigh, they were just misguided.
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rbeats
January 7, 2010 6:39 PM
But he is right. I guess no one here actually has bother reading the Koran along side with some Hadiths?
Really you can't all be apologists? Can you?
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dbushik
January 7, 2010 6:54 PM in reply to rbeats
So, based on the Bible, you'd similarly say that 75% of Americans, and all christians worldwide, are murderous bigots intent of killing all gays? I mean, I assume you've bothered to read the thing, right?
I'm not here to be an appologist for christians or muslims, but the reality I've observed in my life doesn't really comport with that concept any more or than what I've observed tells me all muslims want to kill all non-muslims simply because the text says so.
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dbushik
January 7, 2010 7:05 PM in reply to rbeats
Just to make note, here is an impromptu list of the people christians believe they personally should put to death:
anyone who doesn't listen to a priest
gays
sorceresses and fortune tellers
anyone who strikes or curses their parents
adulters and fornicators in general
people who work on saturday
...and here's some good ones that fit the particular conversation about demonizing Islam: nonbelievers and anyone who follows a different religion.
This includes murdering an entire town for it harboring even one person who worships a different religion.
This is christianity by the book. Please, tell me if this is what you observe the general public around you doing in this widely (roughly 75%) christian society.
Okay, can we come back to reality now, and maybe even view Islam from a realistic POV? Please?
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cinesimon
January 7, 2010 7:44 PM in reply to rbeats
Read the bible - it, too, is just as violent against non believers.
The fact is, most Muslims are moderate, and chose not to partake in the extrem parts - AND, like most reasonable christians, they don't take it all literally.
The Taliban and right wing christians are the only ones who take their respective holy books literally, and as a result seem to advocate violence based around their religion. That. and they wish their religion to ontrol the lives of us all.
Kiddo, if you are going to accuse all 1.5 billion Muslims of terrorism because of the Koran, then you must also call all evangelicals who take the bible literally terrorists also.
But yeah, we know: you are inherently good, and all non Americans are inherently evil, so it's not the same...
UGG UGG UGGGGHHH
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sagesource
January 8, 2010 1:05 AM in reply to rbeats
No, not recently, but I have been reading the Bible....
Give it up. Or admit that on the basis of holy texts, Christians and Jews are just as suspect as Muslims. This is not a comparison you will win.
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dbushik
January 7, 2010 6:46 PM
So, according to Koch here, at a minimum 3 out of every 20 muslims are terrorists.
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Bloggin
January 7, 2010 6:48 PM
What a nut. He has clearly outlived his usefulness.
And what do the right-wing Christian extremist want to do with people who won't convert to Christianity?
It seems republicans must be at some religious WAR with someone or they have no purpose.
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Flybynite
January 7, 2010 7:08 PM in reply to Bloggin
Not that I disagree with your final comment, Bloggin, but there is a "D" after the guy's name for a reason. At least in theory.
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Cal Damage
January 7, 2010 9:39 PM in reply to Flybynite
Would that be the same 'D' that was behind Gov. Sanford's name while he was fessin' up to his far-flung fornicatin' on the same FOX chiron?
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pbres
January 7, 2010 6:58 PM
further evidence that people of all ages are losing their minds---and the ones farthest down the path of insanity get contracts with FOX News.
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pbres
January 7, 2010 7:02 PM
In light of Koch's liberal use/abuse of statistics: Will Mike Bloomberg follow the path to insanity that his predecessors (RG & EK) have?
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RobertSeattle
January 7, 2010 7:17 PM in reply to pbres
No kidding. What is the deal with former NYC Mayors? Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs. Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs.
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commie atheist
January 7, 2010 8:06 PM in reply to RobertSeattle
I miss Abe Beam.
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commie atheist
January 7, 2010 8:09 PM in reply to commie atheist
Actually, I really miss John Lindsey, Mayor when I was a lad growing up in Brooklyn, who was one of those things that no longer exists in today's frightening and confusing world: a liberal Republican.
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lousgirl84
January 8, 2010 9:49 AM in reply to commie atheist
Hey commie I agree on Lindsay. I remember him well even though I was a mere lass. He was a fabulous mayor and a liberal republican. One of the best mayors New York ever had.
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bob5540
January 7, 2010 7:06 PM
Might this have been an innocent slip of the tongue? He said, "But there are hundreds of millions who are." Maybe he meant to say, "But there are hundreds of MUSLIMS who are."
If you read that sentence in the context of the entire quote, it seems possible, even probable:
"Of course the vast majority of Muslims, there are [one billion] 400 million, are not terrorists. But there are hundreds of Muslims who are."
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Matt Jones
January 7, 2010 7:14 PM in reply to bob5540
Yes, but the ridiculous, pants-shitting fear that so many RW commentators (Rep. King, I'm looking at you) have doesn't make any sense if there are only hundreds.
At that rate, we'd have been about half a trillion bucks ahead if we just gave every terrorist a billion dollars and told them to STFU.
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Bloggin
January 7, 2010 7:16 PM
Hey, isn't that Gus the fireman from 'Leave it to Beaver'??
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atticus1104
January 7, 2010 7:35 PM
If you want to gag at outlandish hypocrisy when it comes to Obama's counter-terrorism policies...Look no further than this.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=3498
By the way, Koch is an idiot.
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mageduley
January 7, 2010 7:36 PM
I have to play devil's advocate here (pun intended)
The House of Islam and the House of War
Just sayin...
But to be fair, there are tons of batshit violent crap in the bible, book of mormon as well as the Quran. Amaze your friends with your knowledge here:
http://www.reasonproject.org/scripture_project/
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cinesimon
January 7, 2010 7:48 PM in reply to mageduley
It's only the fundamentalists who take the words in their respective holy books literally, that we have to woprry about.
And it's a fact that due to the resurgence of 'christian' fundamentalism in America over the last 30-odd years, there are far more fundamentalist christians than fundamentalist Muslims.
They got Bush in.
They are responsible forthe deaths of over a million Muslims since 2001.
And, of course, the thousands of Americans they sent into harms way in the name of christian fundamentalism...
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cinesimon
January 7, 2010 7:38 PM
There are 1.5 BILLION Muslims on this earth, Jillian - not 400 million! PLEASE correct this TPM - it's not as though the number is arguable...
Koch, that monstrous, despicable hypocrite represents the new Nazis/christioan Taliban hybrid - the right wing christian ala Cheney/Bush: now that Jews are well protected, the hard right have moved on to the other aspect of anti-semitism: Muslims.
They dress it up as this that and the other, but we all know terrorism has nothing to do with this hatred and willingness to commit another holocaust.
Via their anonymity online, many say how they truly feel within theselves - and when it comes to peope who agree with Koch, what is inside is festering hate, ignorance, fear and violence.
They want to kill, lash out, and exorcise their intense self hatred by victimizing an entire people - just like the Nazis did.
The vast majority of republicans and right wingers(none of which are conservatives anymore) actually, seriously believe that ALL 1.5 billion are terrorists, or they want to be. On numerous occassions have I seen the advocacy of 'nuking' every last one.
America's 'christian' hard right have become the new Nazis - we fought against exactly what they represent in WW2, yet the power they have now is to me, utterly terrifying.
They have all but declared a REAL war against Democrats too: by declaring that the fight against Dems will be togher than the 'war in terror', and many other variations of th theme we have heard over recent days, I have no doubt that at least one Glen Beck fan will take this as an explcit instructions to do what they can in the war against Democrats: gun them down. I have no doubt we will see it this year.
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Rich in NJ
January 7, 2010 7:46 PM
He's like 85. Give him a break.
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cinesimon
January 7, 2010 7:50 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
He's a man with influence advocating attacking an entire people.
No way does he deserve a break.
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Rich in NJ
January 7, 2010 7:57 PM in reply to cinesimon
So you think that his numbers would be so far off if he was 20 years younger?
The non-domestic terrorists are Muslims. Do you seriously doubt that?
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cinesimon
January 7, 2010 9:47 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
That's not what he said.
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Rich in NJ
January 7, 2010 10:06 PM in reply to cinesimon
Tell me what he said that you object to.
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sagesource
January 8, 2010 1:09 AM in reply to Rich in NJ
The Tamil Liberation Front are Muslims? Wonders never cease.
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Rich in NJ
January 8, 2010 2:44 AM in reply to sagesource
Why do you expect so much from someone his age?
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sagesource
January 8, 2010 1:08 AM in reply to Rich in NJ
Arm, leg, or preferably neck....
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GuyFromLA
January 7, 2010 7:51 PM
Did he not support Bush? Why even bother???
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GTFOOH
January 7, 2010 8:46 PM
Dead Crotch has always been a Senior Dick!
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Mom, Esq.
January 7, 2010 9:15 PM
Can someone please remind me why anyone pays a whit of attention to what Ed Koch, known douchenozzle, thinks about anything?
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steviez
January 7, 2010 9:15 PM
Koch is inelegant to say the least. And his math may be worse.
However, it is fair to ask: if a major catastrophe were to hit a US city, would the world's Muslims mourn or rejoice?
We certainly have played a role in fomenting the hatred that is directed against us -- but we cannot dismiss the fact that there are values that are deeply held by most Americans (such as separation of government and religion) that have yet to see the light of day in most of the Muslim world. Calling 100 million people terrorists is not going to help, but neither will denying that Islam may not be compatible with modern Western culture.
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cinesimon
January 7, 2010 9:23 PM in reply to steviez
Why does it have to be so black and white?
They didn't rejoice over 9/11(the footage shown of Muslims celebrating 9/11 was footage of people celebrating something or other from months previous), neither did they mopurn particularly - understandable to say the least, given that war is something so many in the Middle East have lived with their entire lives - most of it with a firm origin in colonialism.
I don't believe for a second that they would rejoice.
Certainly, a minority will - but an extreme minority, statistically irrelevant - though I have no doubt they will be sought out by Fox and others and prsented as if the rejoicers represent all of Islam.
Nor would they mourn - depending on whom was attacked of course.
The fact is, they have so much going on - disaster upon catastrophe - that an attack half way around the world would barely registaer for most. Until, or course, they are attacked in a racist and extremist fundamentalist 'christian'-fueled revenge war - if the right wing have anything to say about it, anyway.
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Matt Jones
January 7, 2010 10:56 PM in reply to steviez
The other question is: how many Republicans would rejoice, and what does that say about them? See also Glenn "Osama is the only person who can save America" Beck and friends.
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fkaZk0sm0
January 7, 2010 11:32 PM in reply to steviez
appalling nonsense.
the tens of millions of muslims who happily call the west home are all the evidence anyone should need to know that your suggestion is based only on bigotry, fear, and ignorance.
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USgreentech
January 8, 2010 1:56 AM
We are at war with Iraq.
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hokies
January 8, 2010 9:03 AM
First, the quote in the story needs to be corrected, because he says that there are 1 billion, 400 million Muslims, as in 1.4 billion Muslims.
The problem is religion. People should read Sam Harris' book "End of Faith." In it, he talks about a worldwide survey of many Muslim countries. The question asked was something like, "Would you always, sometimes, rarely, or never condone the killing of innocent civilians in order to defend Islam?" The results were shockingly high, even in "moderate" Muslim countries like Egypt, and they didn't even poll countries like Lebanon.
The problem is religion. If one sincerely believes that Christians and Jews will go to hell and be tortured with fire for eternity, they probably see themselves as being compassionate and trying to help non-believers out by trying to convert them. Furthermore, since the Koran teaches that Muslims will be greatly rewarded in heaven for fighting for Islam, the results of the aforementioned survey aren't surprising.
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CranialRectalLoopback
January 8, 2010 9:24 AM
Gee, I wonder what RELIGION he is. Mayor Kroch, why didn't you fight for YOUR country's freedom back in the day?
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lousgirl84
January 8, 2010 9:54 AM in reply to CranialRectalLoopback
He's a Jew.
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Mooser
January 8, 2010 10:52 AM
He claims to be a Jew. Can he prove it? I doubt it. Please consult the official list of Jewish Persons and see if he is on it, before you condemn him to jewdicity.
And many, many people fake circumcisions, so that's no proof.
Yup, since we Jews have made a few dollars, everybody wants to be one. Oh, Koch can claim all day and night he's Jewish, but he can't prove it. I wanna see the proof from this wanna-be.
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Suznaz
January 8, 2010 2:55 PM
And a coupla ex-NYC mayors are blithering idiots.
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Tosh
May 13, 2010 8:45 AM
Koch, that monstrous, despicable hypocrite represents the new Nazis/christioan Taliban hybrid - the right wing christian ala Cheney/Bush: now that Jews are well protected, the hard right have moved on to the other aspect of anti-semitism: Muslims.
They dress it up as this that and the other, but we all know terrorism has nothing to do with this hatred and willingness to commit another holocaust.
Via their anonymity online, many say how they truly feel within theselves - and when it comes to peope who agree with Koch, what is inside is festering hate, ignorance, fear and violence.
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July 14, 2010 11:23 AM
The terrorist attacks of September 11, and the Bush administration's response to them, have unsettled much of the world. But few places have been more profoundly--and negatively,--affected than Xinjiang, an obscure province in Chinas far northwest.
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