Giuliani: 'I Do Remember Sept. 11'

OK, the Ft. Hood shooting was a terrorist attack...what about all the mass killings committed by non-Muslims, including white Christians? Some of them (the Unitarian church in TN is a recent example that leaps to mind...OKC is the most egregious example) are religously/politically motivated, too, just like the Ft. Hood shootings. Are those not also terrorist attacks? Why do white guys with guns and explosives get a pass to be a garden-variety deranged killer, even when they're acting with the same type of motivation as any brown-skinned terrorist?

And, the murder of Dr Tiller...what was that? Chopped liver??!!

Senator Obama comments about Gulliani at the 2008 Al Smith dinner "I mean, who would have thought that a cross-dressing mayor from New York City would have a tough time winning the Republican nomination? It's shocking"

I bet that felt good

Clearly, Richard Reid and the anthrax mailings weren't terrorist attacks. Yeah.....you keep backpedaling Rudy. It's getting fun to watch! Almost like Orly!

If I could vomit on the guy I would. This man is a sorry excuse for a human being. When your own kids hate you, you know you suck.

Q: How do you know when Rudy is lying?

A: When his lips are moving.

What about Muhammad and Malvo? Was the DC Sniper case, where Muhammed admitted to admiring Osama bin Laden and approving of the 9/11 attacks and described the murders as part of a jihad...

Oh Rudy... now you know why you weren't even going to win New York during the Republican Primaries.... What a sad and pathetic man.....

I just looked up the word "weasel" and Rudy's picture was the definition.

Terror Attacks Under Bush: 22

Deaths: 3010

* July 27, 2008 - Jim David Adkisson shoots two persons in a Unitarian Church
* May 5, 2008 - Pipe Bomb detonated outside Federal Courthouse in San Diego
* March 7th, 2008 - Bomb detonated at Times Square Recruiting center in NY.
* December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque.
* May 9, 2007: Unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
* April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death.
* April 16, 2007 - Terrorism? Virginia Tech Shootings.
* September 13, 2006 David McMenemy crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.
* March 2006 - Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
* December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana.
* July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson.
* October 1, 2005 - Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.
* October 2002 - John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks
* July 4, 2002 - An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
* May 2002: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest.
* January 5, 2002 - 15yo Charles Bishop, expressing sympathy for bin Laden, crashes his Cessna into a Tampa Florida Skyscraper
* June 11, 2001: Tacoma, Washington bombing destroys a Clinic Wall
* December 12, 2001 - Jewish Defense League plot by Chairman Irv Rubin and follower Earl Krugel to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, and the office of Lebanese-American Rep. Darrell Issa, foiled.
* December 22, 2001 - Richard Reid attempts to bomb flight 63
* November 2001 - Clayton Waagner mails powder-laden envelopes to 550+ Clinics, is convicted on 51 counts in 2003.
* September 2001 - 5 People Killed, 17 Infected by Anthrax laden letters, $250million spent cleaning up postal facilities.
* September 11, 2001 - 15 Saudis, 2, UAEs, 1 Egyptian and 1 Lebanese Hijackers kill 2,973 persons, cost billions of dollars, and cause permenant, irreparable damages to modern societies freedoms to the United States citizens.

Terror Attacks Under Obama: 6

Deaths: 15

* Christmas Underpants Bomber
* November 5, 2009 - Ft. Hood Gunman killed 13, injured 30.
* June 11, 2009 - White Supremacist Von Brunn kills woman at Holocaust Museum
* May 31, 2009 - Dr. George Tiller Murdered
* February 4th, 2009 - West Memphis, Arkansas, United States. Trent P. Pierce Chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board was critically injured in a car bombing that occurred in his drive way.
* January 22, 2009 (2 days into office) - Matthew Derosia drives his SUV into a Planned Parenthood facility

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Comparing the attack at Ft Hood to an Islamic terror attack is warping the meaning of an Islamic terror attack. It equates Ft Hood with 9/11, the attacks on our Embassies around the world, and the USS Cole among others.

We've had no attempted terrorist attacks under Obama.
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Well, since Christmas Eve. But that goes without saying, right?

How could he possibly forget 9/11? Those muslim t'r'st bastards took out his shag pad.

Haha. He remembers 9/11 "every single day, and usually, frequently during the day." Except when he's talking about it on TV.

Also, isn't it kind of offensive to categorize only Islamic terrorism as terrorism? Well, it's offensive and unprofessional.

From Bloomberg news
epublican Lugar Rejects Cheney’s Obama Criticism (Update1)
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By Viola Gienger

Jan. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Richard Lugar, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, defended President Barack Obama’s handling of recent terrorism threats, taking issue with former Vice President Dick Cheney’s criticism.

“It’s unfair,” Lugar said in an interview for Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. “I think the president is focused.”

Cheney, who frequently has led Republican attacks on the Democratic president since leaving office a year ago, told Politico on Dec. 29 that Obama “is trying to pretend we are not at war” with a “low-key response” to the Dec. 25 attempt to ignite a bomb aboard a flight to Detroit.

To the contrary, Obama has demonstrated “firmness” and “decisiveness,” Lugar, who represents Indiana, said. “That’s been the antidote to the criticism.”

Still, the U.S. may be focusing too much on Afghanistan at a time when al-Qaeda is finding havens in other hot spots such as Yemen and Somalia, Lugar said. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian indicted in the Detroit plane plot, allegedly received his training in Yemen.

“I suspect that we will have to try to think through why we went to Afghanistan,” Lugar, 77, said.

‘Nation-Building’

After eliminating the al-Qaeda training camps there, the U.S. undertook “nation-building” beyond traditional development aid, he said. Projects such as advancing democracy, ensuring girls can attend school and promoting agriculture to replace poppy cultivation, while laudable, have cost “tens of thousands of people, hundreds of billions of dollars,” he said.

“And now we find even Afghanistan is not exactly making the progress we hoped,” Lugar said.

U.S. intelligence agencies have heeded the potential threats from unstable states such as Yemen and Somalia, and will have to do more to understand the origins of terrorist attacks and why young Muslims get involved, Lugar said.

“We have to see the comprehensive nature of this, how many countries have potentially failing governments or very weak governments in which al-Qaeda could” have some influence, Lugar said.

As airline security improves, al-Qaeda and other terrorists targeting the U.S. will seek other ways to attack, Lugar said.

Americans “may be inclined to feel that once you solve the aircraft problem, somehow or other you’re in better shape,” Lugar said.

Opposition in Iran

The administration has properly calibrated its support for the opposition in Iran, verbally and through activities such as ensuring they have access to telecommunications that allow them to maintain contact.

“We ought to indicate that, as a matter of fact, that we support liberty,” Lugar said. “We support the building of institutions.”

One pivot point in countries such as Iran or Yemen or Pakistan has been the young people, Lugar said. While some are leading the way in challenging autocratic regimes such as the one in Iran, others are susceptible to the lures of extremist ideology, he said.

“Our intelligence focus has got to be very comprehensively on why young people would go in this direction, and if they do, who they are,” Lugar said.

By contrast, in Iran, “the young people are well ahead of us” and taking charge of the situation, Lugar said. “With the young people, the promise is the best, I think.”

Violent Young Men

Two researchers at the government-chartered U.S. Institute of Peace agree that the understanding of why and how young men turn violent or become extremists is limited. Policies or programs focused solely on providing jobs or education may miss the point, they say.

“The dynamics of this are more complicated,” said Marc Sommers, a senior fellow at the institute in Washington and an associate research professor at Tufts University’s Fletcher School in Medford, Massachusetts.

Factors may include what society demands for a young man to be recognized as a successful adult, such as land or housing to provide for a family, Sommers said.

“They have a term for this in West Africa: It’s a youth man,” said Sommers, who will present his findings later this month with another fellow, U.S. Army Colonel Matt Venhaus, who is conducting related research for the Defense Department.

“There is an assumption that young men are inherently dangerous in places that are volatile,” Sommers said. “It’s not true.” The question sometimes boils down to “what must they do to avoid a situation where they’re looked on as a failure.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Viola Gienger in Washington at vgienger@bloomberg.net.

The GOP is a big memory hole.

Rudy must have milked the phrase 9/11 a zillion times, just conveniently forgot when it wasn't useful.

of course rudy doesnt fool people here .

but the point is he and people like him are paraded about to convince people of this point of view.

there is great danger in the rudy types because a real terror incident and the people that listen to this filth will make the third reich look like cub scouts.

this country is being primed for that.

Lest we not forget that the undie-bomber did not succeed under exact circumstances of intelligence failures that lead to 911. But where is the evidence that Obama had wind of it in a PDB or any briefing as Bush did. Rudy is just trying to forward preset talking points and has no more credibility with the Brownshirts than John McLame. The fence-sitters with any intelligence will see through this mud-sling. When Conservatives like Andrew Sullivan see through it an call the idiots out on it, you know the lower life forms are losing their narrative to any one other than the protozoan bottom feeders.

In the end, it just goes to show you that it sucks to be Bill Clinton. He ends up being responsible for both WTC attacks. One right after he became president and one nine months after he stopped being president. It's just always going to be his fault, I guess.

But that's what's sad about anyone treating attacks like this. It's not a tally to total up on someone's board. They're horrible things that happen and need to be stopped as much as possible. When the GOP gets into this hair-splitting nonsense about who's responsible for what it cheapens the whole thing and creates cynicism about the entire field. Then they have to go and lie about it.

In the end it just eats them up that the biggest attack ever happened on their watch. Their inability to accept that makes them play this blame game bullshit.

Nice to see that Giuliani has qualified his original comments.

There were no domestic attacks during the Bush presidency .... by an Algerian acrobat ... on a Tuesday ... during a full moon ... in Alabama ...

GOP pundits are attempting an old Jedi mind trick ... (these are not the droids you are looking for).

Standard Rovian tactics for these habitual liars -- publicly repeat the lie frequently enough, and some people will begin to believe it must be true. Of course, in our Digital Age of instant verification, that method no longer works.

we have had terrorists attacks in this country since the advent of the kkk. it just all depends on the color of the intended law breaker and the color of the victims skin that matters. if the victims have mostly white skin and the villains are brown, red or black, they are terrorists. if the victim is red, black or brown and the villain is white, nobody cares. he is upholding his constitutional right to bare arms, nooses, fire an anything else he pleases.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Remember this, Rudy?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/

Do you remember Barry Jennings, Rudy?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/barry-jennings-speaks/

He's saying send more troops and send more troops, not much else. Not a voice to be listened to, should be ignored.

Rudy Giuliani. Rhymes with "spithead."

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