
Citing a column by Pat Buchanan that clearly argues against conflict with Iran, Sarah Palin on Sunday suggested that a war with Iran would be good policy and a boon for President Obama's 2012 reelection hopes.
Buchanan's column, "Will Obama Play The War Card?" was a rebuttal of Daniel Pipes call last week for Obama to bomb Iran to save his presidency. "Will Obama cynically yield to temptation, play the war card and make 'conservatives swoon,' in Pipes' phrase, to save himself and his party?" Buchanan writes.
Buchanan, a longtime anti-interventionist, comes out against more sanctions, arguing that "the families of the sick, the old, the weak, the women and the children who die are unlikely to feel gratitude toward those who killed them." He says the prospects of Iran developing a nuclear bomb are much overstated.
But during an interview with Fox's Chris Wallace in which she cited the Buchanan column, Palin spoke approvingly of the "bomb Iran" idea. Check out the key exchange (emphasis ours):
WALLACE: I know that three years is an eternity in politics. But how hard do you think President Obama will be to defeat in 2012?PALIN: It depends on a few things. Say he played, and I got this from Buchanan, reading one of his columns the other day. Say he played the war card. Say he decided to declare war on Iran, or decided to really come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do. But that changes the dynamics in what we can assume is going to happen between now and three years. Because I think if the election were today, I do not think Obama would be re-elected.
But three years from now things could change if on the national security threat --
WALLACE: You're not suggesting that he would cynically play the war card.
PALIN: I'm not suggesting that. I'm saying, if he did, things would dramatically change if he decided to toughen up and do all that he can to secure our nation and our allies. I think people would perhaps shift their thinking a little bit and decide, well, maybe he's tougher than we think he is today. And there wouldn't be as much passion to make sure that he doesn't serve another four years --
Here's the video:
Pipes, for his part, celebrated Palin's remarks in a post at National Review.
"After vilification from the Left and tepid reactions on the Right, it's nice to have a major political figure endorse my idea," he writes. "I've always liked Palin and been mystified by the fervid hostility she engenders."
(Hat tip to Marsha Cohen for the catch.)
Late Update: Buchanan tells TPM in an e-mail that he doesn't believe Palin misread him:
When Sara Palin cited my column she was saying that if Obama played "the war card" on Iran, that would change the impression of him as a weak leader and change the election dynamic. Exactly my point. When she continued on and said "which I would like him to do," she was referring to Obama moving closer to Israel, the phrase that directly preceded it.I would not attribute the statement "which I would like him to do" to playing the war card and going to war with Iran, which my column argued against. In her follow-up answer, she seemed to say as much. In short, I don't believe she intended to endorse Obama playing the war card; she endorsed moving closer to Israel, but conceded that playing the war card would probably make Obama appear a much more formidable leader than he appears today, and thereby strengthen, which I implied as well.
Our take: Palin's follow-up answer seems contradictory. First, she tells Wallace that she's not suggesting Obama play the war card.
But then Palin says: "If he did, things would dramatically change if he decided to toughen up and do all that he can to secure our nation and our allies." In other words, Palin is saying that war with Iran would be a sign of toughening up and doing everything possible to "secure our nation" -- presumably a goal she supports.
farnsworth
February 9, 2010 10:19 AM
It's not Palin that misunderstood. It's her puppeteer that misunderstood.
Geeze, get it right, willya?
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Sailormarlowe
February 9, 2010 11:21 AM in reply to farnsworth
Fagsworth, remember: If you relocate, you must register at police station. It's the law!
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MC Scared Of Bees
February 9, 2010 11:59 AM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Touche, good Sir! Quite droll, quite droll indeed...
Wait, what?
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Clavis
February 9, 2010 12:16 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Does your mom know you're using her computer? Probably not -- huffing gold spray paint tends to leave you a little disorganized.
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farnsworth
February 9, 2010 1:41 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
How's that military position thing working out for you?
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Docb
February 9, 2010 12:31 PM in reply to farnsworth
How are those daily world briefings working for you...betty boop!!! She has to understand what she reads or is being told ---and SHE DOES NOT! Just like he use of words she does not know the meaning of --It may be a republican disease...But some of them are not under educated -just willfully ignorant!
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The Old Grouch
February 9, 2010 10:26 AM
"Teh stoopid" is strong with that one...
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Why oh why
February 9, 2010 12:46 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
I wonder what Buchanan will say: Palin misunderstands him completely and shows how stupid she really is. But Buchanan loves her, I think. Will he realize now just how dumb she is and distance himself from her warmongering, or will he instead shut up?
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3star2nr
February 9, 2010 1:32 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
Palin didnt misunderstand anything she spoke exactly what conservative principles are.
Declare war kill thousands of americans to win an election.
These people are modernday Nazis. 911 was the modern day reichstag fire
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docrocktex
February 9, 2010 10:30 AM
She would be a disaster for the US and the world.
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greylox
February 9, 2010 12:11 PM in reply to docrocktex
**This lady does stupid in a monumental way.
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gr29az
February 10, 2010 4:29 PM in reply to docrocktex
ya, but she's hot! she's got my vote.
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cambridgeMR
February 9, 2010 10:30 AM
I guess one advantage of having President Palin represent the US on the international scene is that no one will be able to understand what she is advocating. That way we will always have a first-mover advantage!
I can imagine Chinese diplomats struggling to understand her statements: "Interpreted one way, she is calling for the complete nuclear annihilation of Argentina. Interpreted another way, she was sharing an anecdote about her child. Interpreted yet another way, she was just talking about how you can't outsource breakfast to China with all the job creation."
The United States would be like the crazy guy with a knife in the bus terminal! No one would mess with us!
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Frex
February 9, 2010 10:43 AM in reply to cambridgeMR
I believe Henry Kissinger has mused over the advantage of keeping your adversary guessing whether you're crazy or not. With a President Palin, there would be no doubt!
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ondioline
February 9, 2010 11:39 AM in reply to cambridgeMR
How dare you?!?!?!
Don't you know that mentioning any of Sarah Palin's children... Or even that you're aware of her children is off-limits? Or even that she has children... You're worse then Letterman!
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bluesplashy
February 9, 2010 10:31 AM
Me sitting here laughing about this exactly why Palin's bagging talk was all over the networks Sunday.
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jaf45
February 9, 2010 10:34 AM
Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran .... wasn't that McCain's song? She still hasn't had an original idea besides shooting wolves from the helicopter (or was that someone else's too)? Looks like her chief policy advisor is Elizabeth Hasselback.
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expat46
February 9, 2010 10:36 AM
She's suggesting that it's okay to use war as a tool to affect domestic politics, sort of like 'Wag The Dog'.
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nowhereman
February 9, 2010 12:08 PM in reply to expat46
Yeah, but I'd bet our own military would help stage a coup if she were president and tried some kind of stupid stuff like that.
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hologram5
February 9, 2010 10:45 AM
Why she go on over there and strike the first blow if she is so gung ho about it. Let her be the first one to hit the sand.
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windowpane
February 9, 2010 10:45 AM
She can see Tehran from her front door.
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tduff
February 9, 2010 10:52 AM
She is just plain dumb. Sorry but she really is just not smart
http://randomthoughtstd.blogspot.com/
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gr29az
February 10, 2010 4:32 PM in reply to tduff
who cares. she's hot! and i can't wait to see her for 8 years
as potus
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 9, 2010 10:53 AM
Cellulite Sarah waxing wonkishly and winkingly at Wallace confides she imbibes Buchanan bubbling at brink of war and dishes her diatribe unto Obama.
...and meanwhile Aunt Martha lays in a ditch on the outskirts of town...
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lousgirl84
February 9, 2010 1:22 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
How am I not supposed to laugh out loud at that. You certainly have a way with words. Thanks for the chuckles. xxxooo
I heard some of her rantings this morning and listening to her voice is worse than some scratching their nails on a blackboard.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 9, 2010 2:20 PM in reply to lousgirl84
She is a class 'A' shrill bitch. I saw where sailorboylove scribbled his usual alliterata to her well below my ode. xo
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lousgirl84
February 9, 2010 2:28 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Sailormarlowe is a pathetic ignoramus and sorry excuse for a human being and unfortunately for us, there are way too many of them to suit my taste.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
February 9, 2010 2:29 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Not enough ammunition as they used to say....too many of them.
I'm sorry there isnt e-mail in here..
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lousgirl84
February 9, 2010 4:24 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Agreed!!!
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will o dwisp
February 9, 2010 10:55 AM
Now we know what she would do as President if her ratings were down.
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JadeZ
February 9, 2010 10:56 AM
Lets see, a person needs to write the answer to a question she knows is coming on her hand!
And because she is so ignorant can not appear on any of the fake news shows that pass for real news.
And this same person believes she has enough foreign policy knowledge to deal with world leaders because she can see Russia from Alaska.
And she denys that science exits because she rather get all her science from the bible so she believes the earth is only 6000 years old.
Etc, etc...
And people actually not only pay attention to her but believe she is a contender for the presidency.
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Duck Stab
February 9, 2010 10:56 AM
The dumber she is, the more her fans love her. Couldn't Wallace at least have reminded her that Congress, not the President, has the power to declare war?
But nooooo, that's not how it works at Fake News with their latest hire. Chuck Todd said it best, She has different rules and of course the spineless lazy media must abide by those rules.
What a complete and utter joke this woman is. I used to think she's dangerous, but now I just want her to keep talking. The more she does, the more she turns people off. She has her brain dead minions but they certainly are not growing in numbers.
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Forrest
February 9, 2010 11:17 AM in reply to Duck Stab
"Couldn't Wallace at least have reminded her that Congress, not the President, has the power to declare war?"
After the previous administration's antics, do you really think any President would fail to get a war if they wanted one?
Thanks to Republicans, the American public is scared shitless. A decision not to act when a national leader is calling for action is automatically a sign of weakness.
If Obama wanted war with Iran he could make it happen.
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anna am
February 9, 2010 11:01 AM
What a fatuous, vain and dishonest bag of wind. Sshe's unspeakable.
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mentata
February 9, 2010 8:03 PM in reply to anna am
And she's ready to party like it's 2003. An educator might say she has a dispositional issue that prevents learning.
Thin silver lining: you don't have to apply lipstick to that pig. She uses enough already.
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Harry Truman
February 9, 2010 11:03 AM
Not to defend her, but I don't hear her saying that she thought Buchanan endorsed the idea, but rather that she learned about it from his column. I despise Buchanan (the guy who thinks Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill started World War II) but Pipes is really out there, although on a quite different limb of the far right nut tree. I am glad she doesn't read Pipes because he would make the State Department an outpost of Israel's foreign service. He's too much for most Jewish organizations, who will have nothing to do with him. (He had to set up his own, one man think tank next to U of P to get work.) The thought of her reading Pipes (whom the Bush administration appointed to some advisory post believing that he was his father, Richard Pipes, a respected historian), then spouting his jingoistic crap and having thousands of mindless tea baggers follow her is truly frightening.
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westsider8
February 9, 2010 11:21 AM in reply to Harry Truman
I agree. She's not saying that Buchanan said that Obama should declare war on Iran, she said she read about the war card issue in his column. She then says that if Obama did play the war card, that would probably help him in the eyes of conservatives. Granted, declaring war on Iran is probably one of the dumbest policy choices a person could make at this point, and the fact that she and her cohorts think taking such action would be a plus for them is the scary part here. But I don't think this clip highlights her true depths of detachment from logical thinking. This is just run-of-the-mill conservative "thinking" and was most likely received without a cringe by non-Palin supporters in the GOP.
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Count Floyd
February 9, 2010 11:42 AM in reply to westsider8
While she doesn't actually say Buchanan supports war with Iran, she is clearly confused about what he is saying. The phrase "playing the war card" is implicitly critical but she uses it supportively. These are words she does not understand: "cynically," "war card".
She's not using some reverse-psychology jujitsu explaining why it's just a good move politically, because she goes on to explicitly say that it's good *policy* to declare war on Iran!
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ondioline
February 9, 2010 11:43 AM in reply to westsider8
They didn't include a significant piece of the statement where she made some wink/nod/dog whistle comments about 'if Obama were to step up his support for our friend and ally Israel, which [she] strongly thinks he should...' I'm paraphrasing and I'll look around for the full clip, but it happened.
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lousgirl84
February 9, 2010 1:24 PM in reply to Harry Truman
I am very familiar with Daniel Pipes the master war mongerer. He is one scary guy.
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M.L.H.
February 9, 2010 11:04 AM
At least we know where she stands on the Bush doctrine now, don't we Charlie?
By using the word "cynically", we can see that Chris Wallace does read Buchanan and understand context. And by using the "you're not suggesting" phrase to start the question, we can see that Wallace is a Republican hack trying to steer the clearly unstable Palin back somewhere towards reality.
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voreason
February 9, 2010 11:07 AM
Good God.
Daniel Pipes's endorsement of Palin proves it.
The man is insane.
Q.E.D.
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mrut
February 9, 2010 12:12 PM in reply to voreason
Yes. Richard Pipes is a serious scholar. What happened to his son? You'd think Richard would intervene and get Daniel some help. He really is not well.
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jim43
February 9, 2010 11:18 AM
This is proof that Palin doesn't read anything and merely gets her daily fix from her staff, which she then proceeds to mess up...
http://www.political-buzz.com/
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Sailormarlowe
February 9, 2010 11:26 AM
Sensational Sarah Palin doesn't need to understand Buchanan, anymore than Alexander the Great needed to "understand" Plato's drivel. Power, persona, passion, perspicacity: those are the qualities we want in our leader; and Sarah has it all.
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M.L.H.
February 9, 2010 11:45 AM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Sailor, I understand the lure of alliteration, but you should look up "perspicacity" before you use it. It means keen understanding. It's hard for her to have keen understanding while completely misunderstanding Buchanan, as you state in your opening sentence.
Clear?
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jeffgee
February 9, 2010 11:51 AM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Fascist.
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rbe1
February 9, 2010 12:08 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Take your medicine, sailor, or get yourself to the bathroom with that Tea Party video !
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will o dwisp
February 9, 2010 11:35 AM
Now we know what she would do as President if her ratings were down.
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James D
February 9, 2010 11:48 AM
One word: Maverickky!
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Joe the Philosopher
February 9, 2010 11:48 AM
Please rate this video:
1. The woman is extremely stupid.
2. The woman escaped from a mental hospital.
3. The woman is suffering from "loose-tongue" disease.
4. The womam is retarded.
Thank you.
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Matt Jones
February 9, 2010 12:00 PM
A sure sign you've wandered into the weeds of conservative crazee: Pat Buchanan is a voice of reason. That's like having Keith Richards tell you to ease off on the drugs...
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Cool Blue Reason
February 9, 2010 12:35 PM
Palin is exactly the kind of idiot to whom such hypothetical acts of warmongering would be designed to pander. Hence her aura of authenticity among that crowd.
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An Outhouse
February 9, 2010 12:53 PM
She was just trying to correct Buchanan. Gently getting him on the right page, don'cha know, before she has to send the baggers to straighten him out. Nobody crosses the snow queen.
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toomuchpr
February 9, 2010 12:56 PM
OK interviewers, it is time to really start grilling that F-ing Retard.
Here are some questions for Palin.
Your foreign policy is distinctly anti-Wilsonian. Who was Wilson? How many points were made in his famous Fourteen Points, and with which do you agree or disagree?
What, you haven't heard of them... no problem I'm going to read them one by one and you give each a thumbs up or thumbs down.
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Minnesota Raindog
February 9, 2010 1:02 PM
Maybe Caribou Barbie misread the notes on her palm.
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toomuchpr
February 9, 2010 1:04 PM
OK interviewers, it is time to really start grilling that F-ing Retard.
Here are some questions for Palin.
Your foreign policy is distinctly anti-Wilsonian. Who was Wilson? How many points were made in his famous Fourteen Points, and with which do you agree or disagree?
What, you haven't heard of them... no problem I'm going to read them one by one and you give each a thumbs up or thumbs down.
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farnsworth
February 9, 2010 1:40 PM in reply to toomuchpr
How many points were made in his famous Fourteen Points?
You win today's internet! Congratulations!
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Given Up
February 9, 2010 5:31 PM in reply to farnsworth
+1
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sheerahkahn
February 9, 2010 1:10 PM
Hey, health care making you look weak domestically? Bomb Iran!
Economy is blowing chunks because of a few rich folks on wall street? Bomb Iran!
A spiteful little harpy commenting about your penis size? Bomb Iran!
And that is what we can expect from a Palin presidency...her solution to all of America's problems...bomb Iran.
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Adrian Browne
February 9, 2010 1:27 PM
The other day Palin was endorsing Rand Paul -- his foreign policy outlook is like his father's.
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mrut
February 9, 2010 1:33 PM in reply to Adrian Browne
Good is bad. Up is down. Right is wrong.
Will no one challenge this woman on her political statements? Is she so inconsistent that challenging her wouldn't matter? She never says anything that makes any sense at all.
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farnsworth
February 9, 2010 1:39 PM
How many points were made in his famous Fourteen Points?
You win today's internet! Congratulations!
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toomuchpr
February 9, 2010 1:53 PM in reply to farnsworth
I owe that one to Groucho Marx and "You Bet Your Life" - Palin would probably get "who's buried in Grant's Tomb" wrong, too.
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bibimimi
February 9, 2010 1:47 PM
stupid woman. stupid human being. all ambition, no brains.
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Adrian Browne
February 9, 2010 1:56 PM
The words on her palm produced this:
"I think, kind of tougher to, um, put our arms around, but allowing America's spirit to rise again by not being afraid to kind of go back to some of our roots as a God fearing nation where we're not afraid to say, especially in times of potential trouble in the future here, where we're not afraid to say, you know, we don't have all the answers as fallible men and women so it would be wise of us to start seeking some divine intervention again in this country, so that we can be safe and secure and prosperous again. To have people involved in government who aren't afraid to go that route, not so afraid of the political correctness that you know -- they have to be afraid of what the media said about them if they were to proclaim their alliance on our creator."
~Sarah Palin
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Duck Stab
February 9, 2010 2:54 PM in reply to Adrian Browne
Alright, time for William Shatner to do another beat poet style reading of this gibberish
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Peter Principle
February 9, 2010 1:57 PM
It's rather hilarious watching otherwise intelligent people try to figure out what Palin "really meant" after she babbles one of her incoherent, illiterate, barely functional sentences.
To quote the Bard, "'tis a tale told by an idiot: full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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lousgirl84
February 9, 2010 2:24 PM
I hope she does run for President and I hope the stupid thugs back her. She will be the laughing stock of the nation and the world and I would love to see her marginalized to the pointthat she has to go into hiding FOR THE REST OF OUR FUCKING LIVES!!!
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baba2nde
February 9, 2010 2:46 PM
Move closer to Israel, quick. Closer ... closer ... atta boy! Now, prove your bona fides ... bomb Iran!
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dougom
February 9, 2010 2:46 PM
Of course Daniel Pipes supported Palin's statement. There is no problem in the world that is so complicated that Pipes doesn't believe launching some bombs against a country will not solve it. The man's a loon. Seriously.
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AKHunter
February 9, 2010 3:18 PM
This is why I still make my students diagram sentences.
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lousgirl84
February 9, 2010 4:25 PM
I can just picture her debating Obama. ROTFLMAO.
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donquijoterocket
February 9, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to lousgirl84
Oh but no less an authority that fux's own shun sannity thinks she'd clean President Obama's clock in a debate.Of course shun himself would probably come off second best in a debate with a rosebush but he do loves him some tundra tart.
I wonder if she'd stopped to think what might happen to her boy who joined up to avoid jail time if we invaded a country larger and militarily more competent than Iraq.Why am I asking if she stopped to think? I'm pretty sure much thinking is beyond her but perhaps a mother's instinct would create some concern for the fruit of her loins. Guys name is track. I wonder if he's in an armor outfit?
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jcd
February 9, 2010 5:44 PM
Of coure Palin didn't mis-read Buchanan--she didn't read his piece at all! She obviously read only the header, at best, or more likely somebody told her about it. PALIN DOES NOT READ. Remember?
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mikedrevguy
February 9, 2010 6:13 PM
Palin, and those of the same ilk, keep bandying this carrot out there "If he would but do what we say, then we more people might be inclined to fall in behind him." (or something in that general direction) but the fact is that they, like Lucy, will forever keep pulling that football away - again and again - One of these days, I know that Charlie Brown's gonna place his foot square up her nose (but that will never happen. cause CBrown won't stoop to Lucy's level)
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mikedrevguy
February 9, 2010 6:13 PM
Palin, and those of the same ilk, keep bandying this carrot out there "If he would but do what we say, then we more people might be inclined to fall in behind him." (or something in that general direction) but the fact is that they, like Lucy, will forever keep pulling that football away - again and again - One of these days, I know that Charlie Brown's gonna place his foot square up her nose (but that will never happen. cause CBrown won't stoop to Lucy's level)
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Sailormarlowe
February 9, 2010 6:22 PM
Go, Barracuda. Make the limpo lefties foam at the lips, like Tweetybird Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Halitosis Halperin, and those other guys, Rachel Maddow & Jennifer Lopez. Gotta love it!
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Max Thrax
February 9, 2010 6:24 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Yeah! You're incredibly low reading comprehension will show em!
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farnsworth
February 9, 2010 11:07 PM in reply to Sailormarlowe
Military positions have never been renown for their erudition.
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Owen
February 9, 2010 6:33 PM
Weird. You'd think actually winning in Afghanistan would make a difference to that clown, but I guess seeming to win is the only thing that's important.
Thanks to Obama reminding everyone that we're still fighting a war there, McCain finally started to pay attention to Afghanistan (he rarely/never mentioned it during his campaign, preferring instead to focus on the all important S. Ossetia). I guess Palin didn't get the memo. I suppose since she can't find Afghanistan on a map it must not be important.
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Nandemosan
February 9, 2010 7:08 PM
And yet, a dickwad like Rich Lowery thinks liberals are all extremists.
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miles born
February 9, 2010 8:07 PM
Sarah is going "full-tard". When I ride my bike I wear my tard helmet with the word "TARD" painted in reverse so that when neanderthals in monster trucks with TruckNutz see me in the rear view mirror they can read "TARD" and know I am laughing at them and at Sarah the tard. And in addition.
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VexSmith
February 9, 2010 10:10 PM
Someone should tell her that although Kristol and Lieberman may not think so, most feel War/Occupation is a really, really bad thing.
Innocent people die, and it costs lots of money.
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wial
February 10, 2010 5:32 AM
I'm no fan of Palin, but people, remember the old saying: know your enemy. She didn't misread Buchanan. She understood Buchanan was writing about a policy Obama could enact. Where she failed was not in that, but in most of the rest of what she said.
She implied that Obama does not support Israel, and that supporting Israel is an unambiguous good, and that supporting Israel is a military act akin to attacking Iran.
She implied were Obama to take military action in Iran it would only be for cynical reasons, not for national security (or an honest misapprehension of the true sources of national security, as some might see it more charitably).
It's the total lack of charity in her character that appalls me. She's positively Reaganesque in that regard -- and I think that's a big key to her appeal. There are a lot of people who want someone deeply, troublingly bloody-minded in power, and Palin fits the bill.
Know your enemy, and fear her. She speaks from the darkest part of the American soul.
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RhodaA
February 10, 2010 11:07 AM
My Take on Palin:
Steven Weber, in a HuffPost article today, summed her up precisely and profoundly. There is no doubt to me that much, if not most, of her ascendancy belies a “dumb but endowed” sexual fantasy cloaked by the self-delusion of "conservatism."
"Spin Art (A Small Minded Excursion Into Ideologically Driven Creativity) – Steven Weber, February 9, 2010, HuffPost
"My favorite low-brow bromide is that Sarah Palin "terrifies the Left." The truth is she (and her ilk) terrify all sensible, thoughtful people on the Left and on the Right, let alone every civilized nation on Earth. That a personality less qualified, less able, less educated should ascend so rapidly (and clearly with the help of an opportunistic media on both sides of the ideological divide) speaks to the depths this nation has sunk in terms of selecting viable, wise leadership. She is a Charlie's Angel's Republican wet dream, the bodice ripping heroine of all good Christian conservative chicken hawks. Terrified? You betcha."
A 2009 study by Benjamin Edelman found:
“... subscriptions are also more prevalent in states where surveys indicate conservative positions on religion, gender roles, and sexuality. In states where more people agree that “Even today miracles are performed by the power of God” and “I never doubt the existence of God,” there are more subscriptions to this service. Subscriptions are also more prevalent in states where more people agree that “I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage” and “AIDS might be God’s punishment for immoral sexual behavior.” Survey results come from the Pew Value Surveys (1987–2007 combined dataset).”
http://people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf
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RhodaA
February 10, 2010 11:10 AM in reply to RhodaA
Forgot to say the above 2009 Edelman study was about online pornography usage.
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Tosh
March 9, 2010 5:02 PM
@RhodaA haha that is true and just pathetic
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