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Rep. John Murtha Dead At 77
Rachel Slajda | February 8, 2010, 2:47PM
Rep. John Murtha (D-PA)
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Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) has died at the age of 77, after serving in Congress for 36 years.
Murtha had been hospitalized in the intensive care unit last week due to complications following a gall bladder surgery.
Murtha's office released the following statement this afternoon:
Congressman John P. Murtha (PA-12) passed away peacefully this afternoon at 1:18 p.m. at Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, VA. At his bedside was his family.Murtha, 77, was Chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense.
First elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in February of 1974, Murtha dedicated his life to serving his country both in the military and in the halls of Congress. A former Marine, he became the first Vietnam War combat Veteran elected to the U.S. Congress.
This past Saturday, February 6, 2010, Murtha became Pennsylvania's longest serving Member of Congress.
A complete biography is available on his website.
Murtha, who was influential on defense matters, led the House movement against the Iraq War. In 2005, he publicly called for withdrawal.
[TPM PHOTO GALLERY: REP. JOHN MURTHA, 1932-2010]
He was close friends with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who in 2006 supported his bid to be House Majority Leader against Rep. Steny Hoyer. Hoyer won the position anyway.
Murtha had also been the subject of ethics probes. The Office of Congressional Ethics recently closed an investigation into Murtha's ties to the former lobbying firm PMA Group and recommended the House Ethics panel do the same. The probe centered on allegations that members of Congress had exchanged earmarks for PMA's clients for campaign donations.
He was one of the lawmakers targeted in the ABSCAM sting in the early 1980s, in which FBI agents went undercover to offer lawmakers cash for favors. Murtha was never charged with a crime, even though video of the meeting shows him asking the undercover officer to put the money into his district.
The American flag over the White House was lowered to half-mast this afternoon.
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Ripper McCord
February 8, 2010 3:09 PM
Overall a good man and a strong critic of the Iraq War. Pennsylvania and the country have lost a good man who served his country all his adult life. Some will focus on Murtha's hawkish stands earlier in his congressional career. Others will see his ethics problems and see him as corrupt.
Fortunately, Murtha was not a one-dimensional leader. His legacy will outlast his critics.
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MyMy
February 8, 2010 3:10 PM
This is sad news indeed.
Does the governor appoint someone to fill his (unfillable) seat?
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tomfodw
February 8, 2010 3:16 PM in reply to MyMy
No, that's for suddenly open Senate seats. For House seats, there's usually a special election.
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JEP07
February 8, 2010 4:18 PM in reply to tomfodw
...maybe the Dems will get out ahead of the curve this time.
If Murtha's seat is put up for a vote soon, they should lean into it HARD, as practice for November.
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PAvoter
February 8, 2010 4:47 PM in reply to JEP07
It is likely too late to get anything on the ballot for the May primary, when Specter faces off against Sestak. That means a special election, when hardly anyone shows up except the very motivated. I would be concerned that this could turn into a Tea Party victory.
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eb123
February 8, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to PAvoter
That should be enough motivation. But, perhaps the Tea Party people are the only "very motivated" ones. Someday people will learn to be more motivated.
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kevbo
February 8, 2010 4:47 PM in reply to tomfodw
The idea being that Senators are supposed to represent the interest of their states, where reps are supposed to speak for the people. So a state can decide how to replace a Senator, but the people need to decide on the replacement for the representative.
I guess with current supreme court opinion, we can soon expect to see the successor chosen by the company with the highest bid.
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jdb316
February 8, 2010 8:18 PM in reply to kevbo
Until less than 100 years ago, the people didn't even directly vote for Senators at all. They were elected by the state legislatures.
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Libertine
February 8, 2010 3:10 PM
Very sad news. My condolences to his family and friends...may he R.I.P.
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tchamp77
February 8, 2010 3:11 PM
Let's run a pool...how many seconds after Hannity mentions Murtha's passing will be mutter Abscam? My bet is 9 seconds.
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DrZee
February 8, 2010 3:54 PM in reply to tchamp77
Yeah, about as fast as he mentions "Keating Five" after he introduces McCain.
Oh. Right.
He doesn't do that.
Hmmm.
Never mind.
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Indie Pro
February 8, 2010 3:14 PM
Sad. My heart to his family.
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Ethan
February 8, 2010 3:18 PM
He will be very much missed. May his soul rest in peace always.
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ClosetLuddite
February 8, 2010 3:19 PM
He will be missed. A good Dem and great for the state of PA.
I know it's _way_ too soon, but maybe if he had just laid off all that pork...
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traitorjoe
February 8, 2010 3:22 PM
"The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion," Murtha said in 2005.
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bluestatedon
February 8, 2010 3:26 PM
You're also guaranteed to see a blow-dried GOP poof who's never spent a minute in uniform mutter about Murtha's treasonous betrayal of America because of his opposition to the Iraq war, and the blow-dried Fox poof who's also never spent a minute in uniform will nod vigorously in agreement.
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amber
February 8, 2010 3:35 PM
Old school with guts. Just enough shadiness to make Republicans think they'd find a horse's head in bed if they double-crossed him. But in all seriousness, he impressed me greatly with his Iraq stand. Strength to his family.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 3:49 PM in reply to amber
he was for the war before he was against it. it was relatively easy to be against the war in 2004. he was with the 70% of American lemmings who supported it when it mattered in 2002
want to be impressed with a congressional vote? how about Barbara Lee voting against the War on Terrorism bill in 2001? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee#Political_career
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amber
February 8, 2010 4:48 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
You're right fartknock. (I actually do agree but wanted to write your name).
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 5:00 PM in reply to amber
;-)
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Ripper McCord
February 8, 2010 7:16 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Actually, it was not so easy for Murtha to rethink Iraq in 2004, when the war was less than two years old. It's not as if he suddenly didn't value his longstanding reputation as tough on defense. Murtha could have more easily won re-election by sticking with his original vote on the war resolution, but he didn't. And he sure as hell didn't have to get out ahead of the whole party by leading the House against the war. You give Murtha far too little credit.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to Ripper McCord
Sure, I didn't credit him for opposing it two years too late, once there was little that could be done to undo our mess and we were already chest deep into the occupation. Thanks, Jack, for the courage to raise your voice in a completely meaningless and ineffective way.
If you think words matter more than actions, go ahead and give him all the credit in the world... He alone virtually ended the Iraq Occupation, brave, brave, man.
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traitorjoe
February 8, 2010 3:38 PM
These keyboard commandos really keep us safe, Bluestater.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 3:39 PM
uh, I don't wanna besmirch the guy for those who think he was great, but he wasn't quite the hero I see in some hagiographies around now. CREW pegged him as one of the most corrupt members of Congress: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Murtha#Earmarks_and_campaign_contributions. and I'd say it was long-time Dems like him that led to Repug control of the House in '94
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JohnW1141
February 8, 2010 4:07 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Twirling,
was Murtha ever indicted or convicted of any crime? One might think the answer is Yes, if he was, as CREW said; "one of the most corrupt members of Congress"
Murtha had a conservative voting record, obviously reflecting his district.
As a liberal, I found myslef disagreeing with Murtha on votes cast over the years, but I always liked him.
From one Vet to another; RIP
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 4:26 PM in reply to JohnW1141
okay, if your standard is that conviction in a court of law is the only thing establishes a wrong has been done. fine. but that's not my standard. and it's not his conservative voting record that led to charges of corruption from ethics watchdogs
sorry but having served in the armed forces does not alleviate him of responsibility for his Congressional cronyism and corruption over the years: http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/summaries/murtha.php (and note that this report is only from 2006 on)
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Ripper McCord
February 8, 2010 7:58 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Troll much, Poindexter? It would seem that whenever a beloved Democrat dies and is written about, some pencil dick always shows up to shed a few crocodile tears and then take a squat on the departed's grave. It happened when Teddy died, it happened when I wrote last week about an activist who died of breast cancer and now it's happening here.
I don't care what your credentials are, pal. Trying to make your reputation on the back of a dead man is just sick. Murtha wouldn't have waited until you were dead to tell you how full of shit you are.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 8:10 PM in reply to Ripper McCord
piss off. you don't know shit about me. and attacking me personally doesn't lift up murtha one single bit. got it?!? and making my reputation?? say what? oh, yeah, my reputation as twirling fartknocker that I list on my resume
and I can't recall shedding a tear for murtha here, crocodile or otherwise. you talk so much total nonsense. at least what I say is based in fact. he lived a long life and consistently escaped responsibility for his actions in congress. his death is not a tragedy
and you called him a "public servant" elsewhere here? ha. he served himself and those he could enrich with government contracts. he is the worst kind of Dem, and Dems like him were a big part of why they lost the House in 94.
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Ripper McCord
February 8, 2010 8:46 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Don't be shy. Tell us what you REALLY think about Democrats and Marines and other people who make your life hell.
I think it's you who needs to piss off. Here's what you don't know:
You don't know that I opposed the Iraq War and wrote about it publicly--both before and after the invasion. You don't know that it takes more balls for an ex-Marine and current Congressman to change his mind than you'll ever strap on to your belt. You don't know restraint, respect for the dead or the venerable lessons of the ass-whooping you've so far escaped.
You sure don't know anything about being directly responsible for the lives of others, whether in a jungle or the well of the House. Most of all, you don't know the first thing about being human: the giant courage it takes to act independently of all that nature has programmed you with and prior experience has taught you. The kind of courage it took for Murtha to lead Democrats out of a quagmire he helped instigate. The kind you obviously don't have--because you can't even recognize it.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 9:24 PM in reply to Ripper McCord
staw man, much
you don't know Jack fella
I have been responsible for the lives of others
and sorry but I am just not as infatuated with the balls of marines as you are, most especially ones who spend the rest of their lives shoveling public tax monies to defense contractors.
besides, he was only a marine for about 3 years in the 50s as a drill instructor, seeing no combat, and a year in the 60s. that's not a triumphant military career. but he sure did use it's cache to the utmost benefit of himself and contractors he favored.
I know plenty of people who put their lives far more at risk than he ever did and don't wear it like some badge of superiority for the rest of their lives.
get off his jock already. you've got nothing but tired cliches that a million others live up to more so and ad hominem attacks
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JohnW1141
February 9, 2010 8:31 AM in reply to twirling fartknocker
twirling,
you keep calling him corrupt, what standard are you using?
Has he enriched himself personally? Did he have an offshore secret bank account? Was he Jack Abramoff, Grover Nordquist,
Ralph Reed type corrupt? Was he a Duke Cunningham corrupt?
Your idea of corruption seems to be that he helped people who helped him, and in the process his constituents often benefitted. Is that it?
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JohnW1141
February 9, 2010 9:58 AM in reply to JohnW1141
Twirling,
one other point; if Murtha was as corrupt as you claim, one would wonder why he didn't leave Congress some years ago and take a lucrative job with a defense contractor as a lobbyist or some such.
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ryneduren
February 8, 2010 4:04 PM
Definitely corrupt - and previous comment about losing control of Congress is on target. Against the war too late. Defense liked him, but even there he pushed unneeded projects for his district. Did not use his considerable political skills for much good. For me, he brought my wife and I together by starting a particular chain of events in Congress when he ratted out his colleagues in Abscam. So, I feel some sadness in his passing.
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Long Memory
February 8, 2010 4:05 PM
Yeah, twirler, I remember how the voters kicked the Democrats out of the majority so the GOP could come in and end the tyranny of the earmark. Of course, it's a after noon so I've been hitting the sauce a little. That IS how it went, right?
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stratofrog
February 8, 2010 4:15 PM
I will always be grateful that he publicly stood with us against the war. That was brave. My heart goes to those who loved him despite his flaws. RIP John.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 4:33 PM in reply to stratofrog
I wish he would have stood with me and millions of others when we were protesting the war BEFORE it started. he ignored us and voted to invade and occupy anyway. helping to prevent the war would have been a lot braver than waiting until 2004 when most of the nation was finally beginning to see the folly of the war anyway
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stratofrog
February 8, 2010 5:06 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
I agree with you. I was out there protesting with NW Vets for Peace before it started and many times after and we all were ignored. Everyone was ignored. 40,000 marched in Portland and it wasn't even reported. I just feel Murtha should be acknowledged for what he finally did right when so many of our other politicians remained silent and scared.
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Ripper McCord
February 8, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
fartknock, you exemplify the "I told you so" type, the kind who pisses on graves before they're dug, the self-righteously inhumane, and all the know-it-alls who have never ever been wrong in their entire life--mostly because they haven't lived many years or done anything important enough for their lives to be considered particularly consequential.
So back off Murtha. You've made your point--numerous times throughout this thread. Are we supposed to wave palm branches and sing "Hallelujah, fartknock" because you're so much purer than an ex-Marine who was willing to take a few bullets for his country? I mean, here you are taking a few harsh words, right? So that makes you his equal, am I right?
Get over yourself and pipe down. This is a death notice for a public servant who actually volunteered for Vietnam and Congress--two places you can only judge from the sidelines.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 8:03 PM in reply to Ripper McCord
nice ad hominem, but a weak defense of murtha.
sorry but being in congress does not automatically earn my deference or respect. when it's combined with 30+ years of cronyism with the military industrial complex (er, defense contractors), it earns the exact opposite from me. same with volunteering for Vietnam. that in and of itself does not earn auto respect. I have relatives who volunteered as well (and, yes, I'm not in my 60s or 70s so I am too young to have volunteered or been drafted). those relatives didn't turn their service into a cash register for personal power, and I respect them far more for it.
I certainly am not asking for praise -- yeesh, look at my hugely self-deprecating nom de plume. but I also hope people can recognize the difference between a true hero and simply celebrating someone because they have a D next to their name while ignoring massive long-term corruption.
and, yes, I will be an "I told you so" person on the Iraq war for all time -- if for nothing else than to remind people to be honest about where they were and when and possibly avoid future disasters like it. if you joined the anti-war club in 2004, then I'd say it to you too. many people, in congress or wherever, knew it was wrong in 2002 but went along out of fear and cowardice, murtha included, and now hundreds of thousands are dead and maimed. if the destruction happened in your neighborhood, I bet you wouldn't so glibly overlook murtha's responsibility in it, even if he did express regret too late
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Ripper McCord
February 8, 2010 8:08 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Please get a motel room with yourself.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 8:12 PM in reply to Ripper McCord
ad hominems do not make any sort of case for murtha. try again, or let it stand how shallow your defense of him actually is
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Ripper McCord
February 8, 2010 9:03 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Murtha was no saint, but he took responsibility for more than his share of the vote that enabled the Bush administration's disastrous Iraq policy, and he led his party and the nation against that policy in spite of his prior conclusion, against his best political interests and before it became popular to do so.
Sorry, kid, you got nothing. Just hate for anyone who lacks your piety and perfect 20/10 foresight. I'm done.
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twirling fartknocker
February 8, 2010 9:39 PM in reply to Ripper McCord
enough with the ad hominems. I'm probably older than you, KID.
yes, he certainly was not a saint. he was one of the most corrupt members of congress, and it's a miracle that he managed a 3-decade career as such.
he took responsibility for the war? that's rich. gosh, how magnificent of him. so did Robert McNamara and others, but that doesn't erase all the people who died because of their moral cowardice. somehow, for some reason, it just doesn't matter as much once the damage is already done
the best thing you've been able to say about him is he admitted one big mistake. and that is supposed to undo all of the corrupt things he did in congress year after year?
it's amazing the vapid fealty you display toward him, when there's are countless other members of congress and probably millions of veterans more deserving of praise.
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Ripper McCord
February 9, 2010 9:11 AM in reply to twirling fartknocker
Forgive my ad hominem, as your entire point about Murtha amounts to a ten-story-high, stinking shit-pile of ad hominem attacks. You're a whiny, bitter jerk peddling a whiny bitter agenda, KID. You could stop being an asshole, but since that's your M.O., I don't expect it anytime soon.
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JohnW1141
February 9, 2010 9:51 AM in reply to twirling fartknocker
fart,
there ya go again; "massive long term corruption".
I addressed your "corrupt" charge in a post above
and didn't see a reply.
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Darrius
February 8, 2010 7:51 PM in reply to twirling fartknocker
That's not necessarily the case. When we went to war in Iraq George Bush had an approval rating near 90%. Nobody challenges Presidents when they have an approval rating that high. His protesting the war then would not have mattered.
However, once the war turned bad Democrats were still afraid to speak against it and Murtha wasn't. It was only after he started to speak against it that the rest of the Democrats got the nerve to oppose it.
I personally give him credit for the party coming out against the war.
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Stumble Bumbly
February 10, 2010 2:34 PM in reply to Darrius
That kind of thinking is so wrong it boggles the mind. Had more than a handful of our elected officials voice opposition to the war it would make a tremendous difference. For those that came out against the war after we were already firmly entrenched (and, oh, what do you know, national opposition was growing), I have very little respect for. When something could have been done to prevent it, most did nothing. Once it was politically expedient, they paid lip service.
How about you give credit to the democrats who opposed the war before it started, or opposed the Patriot Act, or opposed retroactive immunity for telecoms? And on, and on.
As for Murtha, I won't gloat over his death. No one should, it's despicable. That being said, the guy was up to his eyeballs in taxpayer money, much of it often wasted. Was he corrupt? Sure as hell seemed that way. Corrupt or not, he sure wasn't ethical.
BLUGH!
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JEP07
February 8, 2010 4:21 PM
"This past Saturday, February 6, 2010, Murtha became Pennsylvania's longest serving Member of Congress."
It's almost like that old Gyrene held out for one last notable distinction.
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Ankhorite
February 8, 2010 4:30 PM
I always thought well of him for his service as a Marine and his courage in standing up against the Iraq War. The only thing I know about his alleged ethics problems is he wasn't charged with anything, not decades ago, now now.
The complications of surgery he had were painful; it's a hard way to die and a hard thing to watch. My best to his family at this sad time. His voice on behalf of our military will be missed.
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pgbach
February 8, 2010 4:53 PM
A great American patriot... he will be greatly missed.... my he RIP.
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wwstaebler
February 8, 2010 5:31 PM
If it is a given, or even an odds-on, that all politicians have skeletons in their closets, John Murtha came about as close as one can get to being a flawed, yet ultimately responsible human being -- and American patriot -- in the real sense of wanting his country to learn from its past mistakes, just as he, himself, not only learned from his own, but also occasionally acknowledged them. He is our loss.
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Sailormarlowe
February 8, 2010 6:34 PM
Who?
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masanf
February 8, 2010 6:37 PM
Of course, now that he is dead, people will try to act like he wasn't insanely corrupt (he even admitted he was corrupt) or that he didn't call innocent Marines blood-thirsty murderers.
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Martin Timothy
February 8, 2010 9:46 PM
Murtha's career demonstrates the failure of the US Congressional system, his snout was in the public trough while pre term abortion decimated the heartland, and when the US Senate voted on party lines to prevent the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
As well he was a vile traitor in the face of the 911 attacks, which were a blatantly obvious false flag op, perpetrated by Zionists who have infiltrated every facet of US society.
Were he to have stood firm, and decried the attacks as an inside job and the Jews as traitors, and shouted from the rooftops that the wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, should have been against Israel, he would have been a better man for it, and the world would be a better place!
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JohnW1141
February 9, 2010 9:54 AM in reply to Martin Timothy
Martin,
yep, da jews did it!
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bilejones
February 10, 2010 2:31 PM
A welcome piece of rare good news.
They buried the politician today
The crowd it jeered and rang.
But as for me, I wept
For I had hoped to see him hang
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Tosh
April 30, 2010 12:58 AM
Sure, I didn't credit him for opposing it two years too late, once there was little that could be done to undo our mess and we were already chest deep into the occupation. Thanks, Jack, for the courage to raise your voice in a completely meaningless and ineffective way.
If you think words matter more than actions, go ahead and give him all the credit in the world... He alone virtually ended the Iraq Occupation, brave, brave, man.
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