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Weiner: U.S. Can Try 'Bad Guys' Like KSM And Not 'Be Quivering Like Jelly' (VIDEO)
Jillian Rayfield | February 1, 2010, 5:52PM
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)
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Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) said today that the U.S. needs to stop acting like trying terror suspects is "such an intimidating thing for Americans. We're a strong confident country. We can have trials of bad guys and not be quivering like jelly when we do it."
On Fox News, Weiner and host Megyn Kelly had a bit of a heated exchange over the recent announcement that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed may not be tried in New York City after all.
Weiner began by pointing out that foreign dignitaries visit New York City all the time without causing the city to shut down, and that "when the president comes here you know what we shut down? One block."
Kelly incredulously asked "You don't see any difference between that and somebody like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?"
Weiner shot back: "Right, no I do. I think with the president," we should have "a much bigger security package."
"What I'm saying," he continued, "is that we are all getting caught up in the hysteria around this."
"We in New York we handle big trials like this all the time," said Weiner.
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Jonathan Evans
February 1, 2010 6:35 PM
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mrCurmudgeon
February 1, 2010 6:56 PM
A headline with "Quivering", "Jelly", "Weiner" all in the same sentence must have sent TPM's resident troll Sailor to the fainting couch.
All that was missing are the words "Big", "Bad" and we might have lost him forever.
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mrCurmudgeon
February 1, 2010 6:57 PM in reply to mrCurmudgeon
LOL. "Bad" was in there, I just missed it. RIP Sailor.
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EastWest
February 1, 2010 10:31 PM in reply to mrCurmudgeon
LittleFatSailorBoy is like the ship captain in that Bill Engvall joke: "Bring me my brown pants!"
He's off somewhere changing them right now.
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rbeats
February 1, 2010 7:23 PM
Hey is that the whole interview?
I would have liked to see her response to the quivering jelly comment.
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Overreach THIS!
February 1, 2010 10:44 PM in reply to rbeats
TPM consistently gives too-short quotations. Clip after clip.
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superking
February 2, 2010 12:40 AM in reply to rbeats
Certainly she seamlessly moved on to the next GOP talking point like a good FOX employee.
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Rich in NJ
February 1, 2010 10:08 PM
Given the apparent expense of trying him in NYC, the argument against it isn't without weight.
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Overreach THIS!
February 1, 2010 10:48 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
That's a narrow point -- no problem with it. Republicans bootstrap that and say "That's why he should be in Gitmo!," which is a non-sequitur.
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Rich in NJ
February 1, 2010 11:28 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
The way to counter Republicans, on virtually every attack they make, is to point out that they were for it before they were against it, and then to drive that counterpoint home repeatedly until low information voters, and even mediots, get it and repeat it.
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masanf
February 1, 2010 11:34 PM in reply to Rich in NJ
So Republicans were for trying this guy in NY? How about you produce some evidence of that one. smart guy.
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Rich in NJ
February 2, 2010 12:07 AM in reply to masanf
Um, they were for trying Richard Reid, aka the Shoe Bomber, in a civilian court, oh stimulus bound one. That's the pertinent point.
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Overreach THIS!
February 2, 2010 3:57 AM in reply to Rich in NJ
General idea I strongly agree with, and would expand it.
Republican Party is now Party of Ideas? Okay, well, their ideas are terrible and ruinous, and here is why, 1,2,3. Keep it simple. And do it forcefully and repeatedly as you say for the mediots and low information voters who gave us George Bush and Scott Brown.
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Overreach THIS!
February 2, 2010 4:00 AM in reply to Rich in NJ
We can put right down on their list of ideas the wrecking idea of Congress man H. from Texas's 5th district. Kill social security in order to save it. That's a Republican idea. Another is to undertax the wealthy.
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masanf
February 1, 2010 11:33 PM in reply to Overreach THIS!
A non sequitur? So trying him at Gitmo wouldn't cost hundreds of millions less? Yeah, sure it wouldn't.
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Overreach THIS!
February 2, 2010 3:52 AM in reply to masanf
Just letting him go would be free! Maybe that's best?
Gitmo is another Bush disaster. 2 convictions out of 200, records all lost or in utter disarray. Thousands/Tens of thousands of new terrorist recruits inspired by it; U.S. reputation among everyone else in the toilet.
100% failure doesn't even capture it.
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RocketEngineer
February 1, 2010 10:13 PM
Tell em, brother! Give 'em hell!
Conservatives aren't just clueless (ala Megyn Kelly), they're gutless.
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masanf
February 1, 2010 11:30 PM in reply to RocketEngineer
Yeah, those gutless conservatives who oppose this trial. It is like a whose who of the most far-right lawmakers in this country. Kristen Gillibrand, Michael Bloomberg, Dianne Feinstein, David Paterson, they are all really, really conservative.
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lousgirl84
February 2, 2010 8:40 AM in reply to masanf
If you had an honest bone in your body you would admit that the only reason the pigs are against it now is because Obama is for it. Reid was tried and convicted right here in the U.S. and I remember Bush touting the conviction.
You people are pathetic
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midnight rambler
February 1, 2010 10:30 PM
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EastWest
February 1, 2010 10:42 PM in reply to midnight rambler
Bad news: Even cops and soldiers call 'em "bad guys". It's a generally-accepted term.
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midnight rambler
February 1, 2010 11:04 PM in reply to EastWest
Yes, I know. And it sounds absolutely fucking stupid coming from them too. Doubly so, actually. I expected Bush to sound like an imbecile, I didn't expect it to be so highly contagious.
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masanf
February 1, 2010 11:32 PM in reply to midnight rambler
What, is referring to the man who masterminded the mass-murder of 3000 people a "bad guy" not nuanced enough for you? Does it not take into consideration his motivations? Should Weiner be talking about his bad childhood?
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midnight rambler
February 2, 2010 12:52 AM in reply to masanf
The irony is that it was started (as far as I can tell) by Bush & co., and goes exactly to what the Republicans are always complaining about - it makes it sound like they aren't taking war seriously, like this is all a game of cops & robbers played out by simpletons with cap guns. When did Roosevelt ever refer to the Nazis as "bad guys"? When did Johnson, Nixon, or Kissinger ever call the Viet Cong "bad guys"? For fuck sake, grow up already!!!
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Vincent F
February 2, 2010 12:42 AM
Either we are a nation of laws and we enforce them, or let's close up shop and end the charade. As we've already legalized torture and domestic spying, and refused to prosecute those in power who violated the Constitution and domestic and international law, we've already made the choice. Arguing about whether to try KSM in Manhattan or at a military facility somewhere in Montana is a waste of time. It does demonstrate, however, the sheer gutlessness of the GOP.
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ericf
February 2, 2010 12:42 AM
The Sixth Amendment requires that trials be held in the jurisdiction where the crimes occurred. 911 would seem to have multiple jurisdictions, Manhattan certainly being the obvious one, but elsewhere in New York would seem close enough. I've heard West Point and Governor's Island suggested. The important things are that the trial be held somewhere where 911 happened and not in Guantanamo, and that it be a proper trial, not some military commission.
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