
On Monday, the Senate voted for cloture on the Democratic jobs bill, 62-30. Today, they passed the bill itself in a vote of 70-28.
That means eight senators who voted against cloture (or were absent, which in a cloture vote is the same as a no vote) vote for the bill itself. All of them are Republicans.
The switchers who voted no on cloture but yes today:
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
James Inhofe (R-OK)
George LeMieux (R-FL)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
And those who were absent Monday but voted yes today:
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Correction: This post originally mis-identified one of the senators who was absent Monday but voted yes today.
serenity now
February 24, 2010 11:23 AM
I can't imagine the House taking this thing up. The House wanted a jobs bill not a tax holiday.
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Africanlivedit
February 24, 2010 11:23 AM
Why would Inhofe vote for this bill? Anyone?
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Brownbagger
February 24, 2010 11:45 AM in reply to Africanlivedit
To show his support for the President of course. Duh!
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Brownbagger
February 24, 2010 11:46 AM in reply to Brownbagger
To help his fellow Americans?
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Brownbagger
February 24, 2010 11:46 AM in reply to Brownbagger
How many guesses do I get?
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farnsworth
February 24, 2010 11:55 AM in reply to Africanlivedit
Being from Tulsa, I know Inhofe very well. (He was mayor here.)
If he voted for it, there must be pork in it for Oklahoma.
Or it is a colossally bad bill.
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human
February 24, 2010 12:01 PM in reply to farnsworth
or both.
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lousgirl84
February 24, 2010 12:33 PM in reply to farnsworth
Oh shit. I hope not!!
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lapdogs
February 24, 2010 8:05 PM in reply to farnsworth
Word has it that there is an Amendment in it to study Global Warming.
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FlownOver
February 24, 2010 12:28 PM in reply to Africanlivedit
Because, in the words of the sainted Dr. Thompson, he's "a treacherous, gutless old ward-heeler who should be put in a goddamn bottle and sent out with the Japanese Current."
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ray reynolds
February 24, 2010 3:14 PM in reply to Africanlivedit
So ads don't show what a lying tool he is.
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agio
February 24, 2010 11:23 AM
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
James Inhofe (R-OK)
George LeMieux (R-FL)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
so passionately opposed to the jobs bill they won't allow it to come to a vote, but once it does come to a vote they vote FOR it. Only in today's dysfuynctional Senate.
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Pete Bilderback
February 24, 2010 11:35 AM in reply to agio
Technically, what a Senator is saying by voting against cloture is that they want to extend debate. It's unusual, but I can imagine circumstances under which a Senator would say "I want to debate this bill further" (perhaps to add or remove a provision), and yet still decide on balance the bill is worth voting for anyway.
The cloture vote has been so abused that it has become synonymous with blocking a bill, but that is not its purpose.
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mans_best_friend
February 24, 2010 12:09 PM in reply to Pete Bilderback
That's not its intended purpose, but that's what it's become.
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Pete Bilderback
February 24, 2010 12:33 PM in reply to mans_best_friend
True. My feeling is that we should not lose sight of the intended purpose of cloture, or the abuse of it becomes normalized in people's minds. I guess really it already has, but I can't help but remind people that Republicans are abusing the mechanism anyway.
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Darrius
February 24, 2010 12:35 PM in reply to Pete Bilderback
In reality what a Senator is saying when he filibusters a bill is, "I don't want this bill to pass", and when he votes "yes" after the bill passes cloture is "I want the political cover of being able to lie like I supported this bill."
The real vote is the cloture motion; the vote itself is simply political theater for the purpose of lying to the public.
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Forrest
February 24, 2010 1:17 PM in reply to Darrius
"The real vote is the cloture motion; the vote itself is simply political theater for the purpose of lying to the public. "
No no no no no! Statements like that are exactly why we're in the mess we're in.
From a procedural standpoint there are perfectly legitimate reasons a senator or a group of senators might want to extend debate. You can absolutely be both in favor of a bill in its current state, but feel it could still be improved.
Without the recent perversion of the filibuster, these 8 people's actions would be a non issue. They weren't ready to stop talking about it, they think it could use a little more work, but passing it is better than passing nothing. That's how it's SUPPOSED to work.
Republicans have introduced this notion that a vote for cloture is a vote for the bill, and it's utter horse shit. It's a theme they're pushing on the public so they can keep their caucus in line.
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nancydenis
February 24, 2010 1:35 PM in reply to Forrest
Good comments
Also a person could vote for cloture and then vote against the bill for many reasons including the feeling that continued debate is a waste of time and the bill is a bad bill.
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Rick
February 24, 2010 3:46 PM in reply to Forrest
Disingenuous.
The Republicans are not voting against cloture to extend debate.
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Forrest
February 24, 2010 4:13 PM in reply to Rick
I agree that Republicans are absolutely being disingenuous. That is their complete agenda these days.
The point I'm trying to make is that it must be understood why the idea of voting to end debate is even a procedure in the US Senate, and why it persisted for decade after decade.
If you can't draw contrast between its intended purpose and the Republicans' abuse of it, you can't make the argument that it needs to be reformed.
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Forrest
February 24, 2010 1:11 PM in reply to Pete Bilderback
You reap what you sow, IMO. Republicans have made a vote for cloture a vote for the bill, and vice versa. Make them own that perversion of our legislative system.
If these 8 folks don't want to appear as hypocrites, they should stop helping their party abuse the filibuster.
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Rick Jones
February 24, 2010 12:35 PM in reply to agio
Don't want to be accused of being hypocrites like with the stimulus bill.
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tduff
February 24, 2010 11:24 AM
What the Senate can vote?
http://randomthoughtstd.blogspot.com/
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bdtex
February 24, 2010 11:30 AM
Scott Brown was savaged by the far right yesterday and Sunday. Wonder what the savages will say today?
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tchamp77
February 24, 2010 12:10 PM in reply to bdtex
Today he was quoted in the NYT saying "“This jobs bill is far from perfect, and ideally would include deeper and broader tax cuts.” He said if the measure is changed substantially in the House and returns “to the Senate full of pork, waste, fraud and abuse, I reserve the right to vote against it.”
Question, How could the House fill a measure with "fraud and abuse?"
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Forrest
February 24, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to tchamp77
It's his Republican training. Throw as many negative words at something as you can, and hope a few stick.
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jim43
February 24, 2010 11:32 AM
This is a big deal. It identifies the Republicans willing to work with the White House and Dems and those hat will oppose anything and everything that the president wants, even if it is essentially a GOP tax cut bill.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
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RichardK
February 24, 2010 11:49 AM in reply to jim43
I hope the Democrats are crafting ads saying how each of these Republicans "voted against it before they voted for it."
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DeeAmbro
February 24, 2010 11:56 AM in reply to RichardK
Oh, there are alot of potential republican-as-hypocrite ads in the making I'm sure. Can't wait for the show!
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Barry Ragin
February 24, 2010 12:24 PM in reply to jim43
Don't know about the others, but Burr is up for re-election this year. Maybe he thinks unemployment of 11.2% might be a bad thing for him come November.
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James
February 24, 2010 4:28 PM in reply to Barry Ragin
That is right as rain re: Richard Burr. The guy is an opportunist with one agenda ... his own cushy job. It's almost like he's still stuck being a frat boy ... never bothered to grow up. Lazy, intellectually bankrupt, self-serving all the way.
Bank Run Burr.
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Cal Gal
February 24, 2010 10:19 PM in reply to James
"Gentlemen, we've got to save our phony baloney jobs!" Mayor LaPetomaine, Blazing Saddles.
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neesy08
February 24, 2010 11:55 AM
maybe the polls in their states told them to vote this way
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expat46
February 24, 2010 12:44 PM in reply to neesy08
or the unemployment numbers
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tommyo
February 24, 2010 11:56 AM
I'm suprised more Republicans didn't vote for this joke of a jobs bill. It reads as if one of them wrote it.
Your Democratic Senators bring the 10% of Americans who are unemployed relief in the form of tax cuts consisting of a 10 month suspension of the payroll tax and a $1000 a head tax credit for new hires kept on for one year to help them! That's what they've been waiting for! Thank god for the Democratic Senators!
And they did it without endangering any of that really matters to them, their parlimentary rules and collegial senate coutesies!
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blader
February 24, 2010 11:59 AM
Crucify them! Release Barabbas!
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Leon Kowalski
February 24, 2010 1:43 PM in reply to blader
Welease Woddawik!
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georgecs
February 24, 2010 12:01 PM
Everything with these fucktards is about strategy, and fucking over their constituents. Now they can stand in front of the tea party idiots and say they tried to stop the jobs bill, and then with a straight face tell unemployed people they voted for it.
These self-serving assholes need to go. Now.
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benintn
February 24, 2010 12:01 PM
Lamar Alexander's flip-flop is predictable. He has about as much spine as Harold Ford.
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sean
February 24, 2010 12:04 PM
The Jobs Bill Wide-Stancers
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ohyeathatsright
February 24, 2010 12:06 PM
They play the Senate like they play the market. Hedge hedge hedge.
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rbeats
February 24, 2010 12:07 PM
I guess at their prayer meeting Inhofe was told by The Family to vote yes?
Jesus luvs a jobs bill I guess.
But he hates gays.
Don't forget that though. And Global Warming is a myth because Jesus would not hurt the planet we live on.
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Cal Gal
February 24, 2010 10:21 PM in reply to rbeats
No, no, no. God LOVES gay people.
He just hates gay sex.
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jdb316
February 24, 2010 12:16 PM
In the Republican (ie, the Supply Side Economics) way of thinking, tax cuts and incentives do create job growth, because companies have more money to spend. They believe that government creating jobs is bad because big government is bad. And they believe that any regulations requiring companies to create X jobs are bad because they impede profit.
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mans_best_friend
February 24, 2010 5:42 PM in reply to jdb316
I don't think Supply Side Economics means what you think it means. And I don't think you understand the dynamics of a recovering economy. Unemployment is a lagging indicator for a reason. Tax credits such as these are ineffective in the declining phase of a recession because employers are not going to hire people to produce products with declining demand. But we're not in the declining phase anymore - we're in the recovery phase. Demand is increasing. But even after demand for their products returns, most employers delay hiring the new employees for fear the recovery will stagnate and they'll have employees they'll have to lay off again. They'd rather pay overtime and/or drawdown inventories. Targeted tax cuts like these that provide DIRECT incentives for hiring workers have a long history of being effective in the recovery phase.
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docrocktex
February 24, 2010 12:22 PM
This jobs bill is nothing compared to the $154 billion House jobs bill. When will the Senate join us in reality?
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whitenoise100
February 24, 2010 12:39 PM
These guys feel more comfortable blocking a popular bill than they do actually voting against one, because they realize that most people either don't know what a filibuster is, or don't really understand the significance. They made a calculation that they can be hurt by voting against the jobs bill, but are unlikely to be punished by voters for exercising (or more often just threatening to exercise) a parliamentary maneuver. This shows how important it is to make these guys mount a real live filibuster if they want to stop something. That might actually attract some media attention, and educate people about the level of undemocratic obstruction that these people engage in.
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ru4862
February 24, 2010 12:48 PM
Disgusting!!! If only the Democrats had the 'stones' to call these fools out by name.
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baba2nde
February 24, 2010 12:48 PM
Easy Senate rule to change: In a cloture vote make absence count as YES. Then a Senator will have to show up if he/she feels strongly enough.
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Forrest
February 24, 2010 1:22 PM in reply to baba2nde
I thought about this too. I think there should be a default period of debate for various types of Senate business. Something like 1 day for nominations and 7 days for new legislation. It would take 60 votes to either end debate early OR extend it. This would put a bias towards moving motions through the system, instead of there being a bias against them.
Keep in mind that most every bill and nomination undergoes intensive scrutiny in committees, so there could still be months of work and discussion on bills and nominations if necessary.
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Cal Gal
February 24, 2010 10:23 PM in reply to baba2nde
I'm with you. Just change it to say it take 40 votes to prevent cloture. Not a big change ... let's see the ReThugs explain why they can't get there to vote.
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DKDC
February 24, 2010 1:06 PM
The voted for it in the end for the same reason the other five Repbulicas voted for it - it has additional transportation funding for their states. When they failed to kill it with the cloture vote, they turned around and voted for the bill rather than risk being criticized for not bringing home the bacon to their states.
And if any Democratic party political operatives need me to spell it out for you, I'll do that -- start now using this vote to drive a wedge between congressional Republicans and their new BFFs the Teabaggers...
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synchronicity
February 24, 2010 1:29 PM
What pisses me off is that the bill sucks!
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nancydenis
February 24, 2010 1:47 PM
I find it very discouraging to read all of the posts on this site that have no more understanding of the legislative process than the tea baggers, cable "news guys" and other wackos. Voting for or against cloture and then voting differently on the actual legislation has been part of the political process from the beginning. The purpose of the two votes are entirely different. One is to end debate the other to actually pass or turn down the legislation.
It would seem to me that the big story here is in the end this was a truly bipartisan bill with several republican votes. Promote the positive or you are just a tea bagger in lib/progressive/Dem clothing.
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farnsworth
February 25, 2010 2:43 AM in reply to nancydenis
Don't forget that there is a difference between historical procedures and the way things have been distorted in the last twenty years. The reactions you have seen and been discouraged by are colored by the corruption of the process by Republicans during the Clinton and Bush years.
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nancydenis
February 26, 2010 9:23 AM in reply to farnsworth
I understand the 'corruption' of the process by the republicans over the years, but the truth of the matter does not change... the cloture vote is to end debate then there is a vote for or against the legislation. Our "talking point", in my opinion, should be that republicans voted for the legislation making it a bipartisan vote. Let them play their little game while we correctly talk about the effort and result of bipartisanship; use the situation point out republican votes for a Dem bill and the sky did not fall.
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Reform MD
February 24, 2010 2:00 PM
They voted for it because they want to get reelcted. They voted against cloture because they were told to (for the good of the "Party").
Look for the same if the health insurance bill ever makes it past cloture...
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al24
February 24, 2010 2:14 PM
A Joe Lieberman move if I ever saw one. Remember during the vote to approve Sam Alito to the SC, Lieberman voted for cloture, but against the nomination in the "up or down" vote, knowing that Alito was a sure thing. Having it both ways. What a bunch of weasels.
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Robert Feeley
February 24, 2010 2:25 PM
This latest Obama program "Mortgages for Morons" is a complete waste of time and money.
http://stupidassnews.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/gitmo-becomes-getmo-as-inmates-move-get-more-priveleges/
I mean, what is this man thinking?
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Robert Feeley
February 24, 2010 2:31 PM
Correct link for Moron Mortgages: http://stupidassnews.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/obama-signs-mortgages-for-morons-bill/
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bb_nyc_dc
February 24, 2010 3:58 PM
Rather than pointing out their flip flopping, wouldn't it be more effective to praise them for having seen the light and being harbingers of bipartisanship?
We all know that torture is ineffective, and that building a relationship is the best way to get good information.
This works on this level too. It's basic human nature - you praise somebody for doing something, they're likely to do it again. And bottom line - isn't that what we want?
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Forrest
February 24, 2010 4:21 PM in reply to bb_nyc_dc
The problem with that is praise coming from the left is toxic waste for Republican lawmakers who are up for re-election. If Obama went on TV tonight and thanked each of these 8 people for voting for the 'Jobs Bill', that's the last vote you'd get out of any of them. You see the kind of flack Tea Party Darling Brownie is taking for voting his conscience? It's disgusting.
I think Democrats have a great opportunity to put Republicans in a very bad spot. If they start taking on populist legislation, and the Republicans continue to try to scuttle it (which they will to appease the crazies), Democrats may be able to convince the relatively sane people in the middle that the Republicans aren't responsible enough to govern.
Democrats have to start controlling the message, though. They'll never be able to convince the rabid right, but if they can convince the middle their ideas are good there could be a backlash against current Republican tactics. I'm an independent, and what I see from the Republican party right now sickens me. More people need to see just what they're doing.
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Cal Gal
February 24, 2010 10:28 PM in reply to bb_nyc_dc
No. I want to drive the ReThuglicans into the sea. I want them to be dead, dead, dead. I never want to see their fat, rich faces sneering at me for being "liberal" ever, ever again.
Sorry, but after what they've done to this country over the past 10 years, I want them GONE. I want them publicly shamed. I want to see their TV shows canceled and their network driven from the airwaves.
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Cal Gal
February 24, 2010 10:29 PM in reply to Cal Gal
Maybe I watched a little too much of the CPAC convention.
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Rockridge
February 24, 2010 6:04 PM
They were against it before they were for it.
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Capers
February 24, 2010 10:00 PM
Not to be a stickler for full disclosure and all, but the the filibuster is supposed to work this way.
Senators join filibusters not necessarily to object to the legislation but to respect another senator's prerogative to block it.
To vote for something after opposing cloture is not hypocritical.
Of course, a lot of things have changed as of late.
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Cal Gal
February 24, 2010 10:16 PM
How many of these 8 are up for re-election in 2010?
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Tosh
May 13, 2010 8:11 AM
I'm suprised more Republicans didn't vote for this joke of a jobs bill. It reads as if one of them wrote it.
Your Democratic Senators bring the 10% of Americans who are unemployed relief in the form of tax cuts consisting of a 10 month suspension of the payroll tax and a $1000 a head tax credit for new hires kept on for one year to help them! That's what they've been waiting for! Thank god for the Democratic Senators!
And they did it without endangering any of that really matters to them, their parlimentary rules and collegial senate coutesies!
jacket lovegra
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jim144
August 17, 2010 12:24 PM
If he voted for it, there must be pork in it for Oklahoma.colored contact lenses
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jim144
August 20, 2010 11:35 PM
Being from Tulsa, I know Inhofe very well. (He was mayor here.)
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