
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) appeared on Morning Joe today, and things got a bit heated when he told Wall Street Journal columnist and former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan that her criticisms of President Obama and health care reform were some "of the most cliched, hackneyed assessments of this thing."
Noonan started off by stating that Congress was already "one of the most unpopular institutions in America before they went through this dreadful process, with all of the buying of Congressman and the buying of the Senators."
She also claimed that President Obama "misunderstood what history was asking of him" when he started the push for health care reform, and that it was "fatally off-point."
Instead, she said, the President should have been focusing on jobs and the economy.
Weiner was not having any of this: "These are two of the most cliched, hackneyed assessments of this thing. One, that this was not a good process. It went through five committees. The most open process I can imagine. Every single Republican amendment was considered."
"This is how legislation works," he added.
Weiner continued: "Secondly, this idea that we are not losing jobs because 20% of every dollar we spend goes to health care is just wrong."
Noonan shot back: "We are in a great recession. You gotta focus on that. You don't go on to the secondary and tertiary issues, you go on to the main and essential issues. You don't go off on this one-year tangent that takes people off the issues."
Weiner wasn't done:
Would you stop, one-year tangent? Health care's 20% of our economy and it's a tangent? This is the problem -- we've got to solve the problem but let's do it some other time. For eight years in this country this problem was festering. Incomes were flat. Why? Cause every single spare dollar an employer had had to go into health care, not into wages. Our wages are down, our economy's at a standstill because of health care. And we're fixing that problem because your team didn't do it.
Here's the video. The fireworks start at around the 8-minute mark:
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converse
March 19, 2010 12:23 PM
Or, to paraphrase a famous SNL skit: "Peggy, you ignorant slut!"
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IndyLinda
March 19, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to converse
Bwahahahaha! Noonan is such a hack. She doesn't know jackshit about policy and can't do anything but moon about how wonderful Ronnie was.
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jjdjjd
March 19, 2010 7:23 PM in reply to converse
weiner is a weiner. easy to obnoxious, he took lessons from schumer.
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jjdjjd
March 19, 2010 8:09 PM in reply to jjdjjd
hey, i got one!!! how many liberals does it take to change a lightbulb???? answer; zero, they will wait for the government to do it.
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 11:06 AM in reply to jjdjjd
OMG, a shit stain that can type!
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JNagarya
March 19, 2010 9:50 PM in reply to jjdjjd
Have you anything to say that addresses his comments? Or are you wingnuts fatally incapable of distinguishing issues from persons?
Let me guess: You are fatrally incapable since establishing the Ronnie Reagan Personality Cult.
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jjdjjd
March 20, 2010 3:49 AM in reply to JNagarya
i do have something on the issue; if you support a womans 'right to choose' how can you support the government telling all of us that we have to have health insurance? we either have the right to choose or we don't. how can anyone support the government telling us that we have to buy health issue? i'm all for giving it to those who are poor and can't afford it but they can't force the rest of us to do it. the arm-twisting, dirty deals, and pressure that has been put on congressman is disgraceful, and the people will vote out more democrats in november then they did in '94. of course the part that we will recieve a tax increase right away but no one gets this new benefit until 2014 also sucks. 14,000,000 more on medicaid, which is already broke, will send us spiraling into bankruptcy, state by state. and then you will say you were never for this. now, go do something for yourself, and change a lightbulb.
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mrut
March 20, 2010 9:28 AM in reply to jjdjjd
We pay for that healthcare even without a government mandate RIGHT NOW, in expensive, inefficient emergency-room care.
You are paying for uninsured people's medical care RIGHT NOW, and you had nothing to say about it. That's where your taxes are going.
The only way to stop it is to deny uninsured people access to emergency and first-response care. No ambulances or medics for people who can't prove they are insured.
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jjdjjd
March 20, 2010 1:00 PM in reply to mrut
no you are wrong, we must die by age 70, and it should be quick so as not to run up the costs. damn liberals want to live forever, running up medical costs for everyone else, do the decent thing, retire when your 65, have a good time for 5 years, then report to the glue factory. see soylent green, a very good movie. it will show you the future.
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pirate jenny
March 20, 2010 4:37 PM in reply to jjdjjd
Hail Malthus!
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farnsworth
March 20, 2010 11:08 AM in reply to jjdjjd
You really are stupid.
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jjdjjd
March 20, 2010 1:04 PM in reply to farnsworth
it's sarcasm mixed with hyperbole, a stupid person never thinks of the things i do.
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rhytonen
March 20, 2010 8:24 AM in reply to JNagarya
"...Reagan personality cult?"
You called THAT a personality?
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jjdjjd
March 20, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to rhytonen
get ready for it again in november
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pirate jenny
March 20, 2010 4:39 PM in reply to jjdjjd
you're running his corpse?
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jjdjjd
March 20, 2010 5:15 PM in reply to pirate jenny
even his dead body will be able to beat the democraps
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JNagarya
March 21, 2010 7:14 AM in reply to jjdjjd
Your name-calling "democraps" -- is cute. Let me guess: you got it from an older toddler who was actually graduated into kindergarten whereas you wre passed over.
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jjdjjd
March 21, 2010 7:12 PM in reply to JNagarya
you been an asshat all your life, haven't you?
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JNagarya
March 22, 2010 3:03 AM in reply to jjdjjd
Nope. Only since I decided to emulate your entertaining stupidity.
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GTFOOH
March 19, 2010 12:47 PM
Why do all Republican speech writers think they are experts on governing? Just because the WSJ gives you an opinion column, doesn't mean your opinion is worth a damn!
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Marinus van der Lubbe
March 19, 2010 12:57 PM in reply to GTFOOH
No shit...as if Gerson & Frum have anymore sense than a 2 peckered billygoat because they wrote W's speeches.
And the WSJ is just more shitpaper from Murdoch now. It's like a welfare roll call for rightwing reporters and out of power pols...Noonan ceased being anyone over 2 deacdes ago, let alone anyone who has something to say. I almost think she's blowing Scarborough she's on there so often unchallenged.
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CityGuy
March 19, 2010 1:34 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
But partially thanks to her, we've had "morning after" in America for the past twenty years. Since-except for the Clinton surplus years-we've had record national debts throughout the last 3 GOP administrations.
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Impishparrot
March 19, 2010 3:16 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Yes, US newspapers, and now conservative think tanks, have become adult day cares for journalistic hacks and has-beens and former administrations communications' staffers.
For instance, Judith Miller is on professional life-support over at the right-wing, conservative Manhattan Institute.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
March 19, 2010 3:26 PM in reply to Impishparrot
She's also a friend of Murdoch's as well. She's a treasonous ratbag in my book.
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AndrewT
March 19, 2010 3:29 PM in reply to Impishparrot
There was a great article about this in the Nation recently:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100301/jones/single
Contained within the article is a plug for the book "The Shadow Elite" which, despite the over-dramatic title, I'd recommend.
Studying the pernicious effects of right-wing think tanks within the MSM was a topic of particular interest to me while I was in college.
The fact that their is still a public platform given to these people, in light of the 2006 Iraq war public relations collapse and the 2008 financial collapse, completely baffles me. American's must have the shortest political memories in the world.
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anelder
March 19, 2010 6:15 PM in reply to AndrewT
Am with you there sonny but I would say we are more likely dumb, stupid, ignorant, pick your adjective.
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Nowukkers
March 19, 2010 4:34 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
What's even more galling is her condescending attitude and tone of voice. She speaks to everyone as if they (and writes as if her readers) were errant step-children. If deluded pretentiousness could be wrapped up in a human package, it would take the form of Peggy Noonan.
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MollyNYC
March 19, 2010 9:40 PM in reply to Nowukkers
What do you suppose she took before going on the show? A drink? Bupropion?
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JEP07
March 20, 2010 10:40 AM in reply to Nowukkers
"If deluded pretentiousness could be wrapped up in a human package, it would take the form of Peggy Noonan."
That patented feigned gravitas is a wrinkled old Republican cliche in and of itself.
Much like Noonan.
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jjdjjd
March 19, 2010 7:18 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
well if anyone would know about about welfare rolls it would be you.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
March 19, 2010 8:17 PM in reply to jjdjjd
wow....youre like the most intensely witty person. boo-hoo...will try not to slit my throat over that amazing quip about me knowing welfare rolls, as if that has anything to with anything...but hey, when youre on a roll of crisp and edgy comebacks and ambush remarks, you really rank up there.
will have to disappear until Monday I am so devastated.
Have a good weekend you senseless cunt. cheers.
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JNagarya
March 19, 2010 9:57 PM in reply to Marinus van der Lubbe
Yeah, doesn't he just devastate and put every weasely welfare-role Liberal in her and or hjis place?
Whew! I don't think there's been so stiletto witty a person on the entire planet since the death of Calvin Coolidge.
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Marinus van der Lubbe
March 20, 2010 8:49 AM in reply to JNagarya
Please, I'm still in recovery...LOL
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fbacon2
March 19, 2010 12:51 PM
Just keep walking, Peggy.
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Ohmmade
March 19, 2010 1:19 PM in reply to fbacon2
Exactly
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indybend
March 19, 2010 12:52 PM
"Our wages are down, our economy's at a standstill because of health care. And we're fixing that problem because your team didn't do it." Bingo! I love this guy.
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slb
March 19, 2010 2:02 PM in reply to indybend
And did you hear Noonan's huffy defense? "Wages have been stagnant for more than 8 years."
So? How does that change the fact that Republicans were pushing stuff through Congress like $%!# through a goose during Bush 43's presidency and did nothing at all to change that?
Truth is that wages kept pace with productivity growth in the country until the early 1980s. Hmmm, I wonder who was president then? Oh yeah -- Ronald Reagan. Oh yeah, that was the start of the "conservative resurgence."
Conservative resurgence = Stagnant wages
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Ms Noonan.
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acf_ma
March 19, 2010 2:36 PM in reply to slb
It's the Tianamen Square syndrome. Ignore something as if it doesn't exist, and it won't.
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P White
March 20, 2010 7:14 AM in reply to slb
What Noonan was actually saying what that Obama was voted in to be Ronald Reagan. Except, of course, Reagan ran enormous deficits, but R's never have to acknowledge that. The Republican's actually believe that tax cuts don't cost anything. Oddly enough there seem to be all these enormous inexplicable 'deficits' after they leave office.
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mike from Arlington
March 19, 2010 12:58 PM
That air head isn't used to being challenged and usually just spouts off her view from 50,000 feet in the air.
Wonder how being smacked with reality feels.
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AdAbsurdum
March 19, 2010 12:58 PM
Her viewpoint is also shared by some liberals such as Reich and Herbert.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 2:10 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
even if peggy noonan's views weren't disingenuous (she carries her party's water whereever and whenever her party needs it carried - recall her hot mic incident during the campaign), reich does not share peggy noonan's view. maybe you ought to re-read his post from March 5th, Why the Continuing Bad Job Numbers Make it Harder (But Even More Important) to Pass Health Care Reform.
and herbert is just as full of shit as peggy. the problem with the very argument is that if republicans hadn't decided to obstruct at all costs and been so successful at drawing this process out to the absurd lengths that it has been (all the while laughably complaining that dems are trying to rush it or jam it through) health care reform would have been done 9 months ago.
health care reform addresses a systemic economic problem in this country that has been around since before the current economic downturn, helped to accelerate this economic downturn, and slows our ability to recover from this current economic downturn. saying that jobs are a reason we shouldn't be working on health care reform is like complaining that something should be done about the weather while refusing to address climate change.
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P White
March 20, 2010 7:23 AM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Of course, it is what any of the critics would do INSTEAD OF or AFTER this legislation. For all of Joe's criticism and Noonan's critique, if they were in charge or had the opportunity to endorse something intellectually honest such as single payer...they'd be outraged! If this were actually a bill that was going to really restrict and reform the insurance industry they would be incensed and incredulous that Obama would do such a thing...such an affront to our capitalist system! I don't think Reich and Krugman would be on that soapbox if they got what they wanted instead of this bill! Pretty 'absurd' to pretend they are all on the same page.
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mcrose68
March 19, 2010 12:59 PM
I do enjoy listening to this man speak.
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DKDC
March 19, 2010 1:04 PM in reply to mcrose68
How can you possibly ENJOY listening to Peggy Noonan speak???
Oh wait, never mind.....
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mcrose68
March 19, 2010 2:20 PM in reply to DKDC
I was going to say, "I love Weiner!!! Can't get enough of this man."
But I wasn't sure how my wife would feel about that, so I editted. Just goes to show you, no matter what you say someone is going to take it wrong. ;)
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howie911
March 19, 2010 2:45 PM in reply to mcrose68
I can't wait for the day we can say, "Thank you president Weiner." And I mean that in all seriousness, this guy is the best!
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Viva!America!
March 19, 2010 1:00 PM
Ugh!
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MikeE
March 19, 2010 1:01 PM
There are dolphins who, after listening to that, are saying, "I'd hit that!"
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draftedin68
March 19, 2010 1:05 PM
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Anthony Weiner 2016!
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KY Yellow Dog
March 19, 2010 4:18 PM in reply to draftedin68
I'm there!
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Mark P. Kessinger
March 19, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to draftedin68
From your lips to God's ears!
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Libertyluvrz
March 19, 2010 1:19 PM
As a small business owner, I can tell you that the cost of health care is exactly why companies can't afford raises. Each year, both the company and the employees get the shaft to the tune of 15 -35% increases. This means I have less money to for raises and re-investing in the business, and my staff has less real income to make up for the hit they take. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that it's not a having a huge impact on our economy.
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slb
March 19, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to Libertyluvrz
It's also obvious in what happens every time a union contract comes up for renewal. The most protracted fights over those are regarding health care, and in the last couple of decades, the end result is always that the union accepts reduced wages (especially for new hires) in order not to lose their present health care coverage.
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slb
March 19, 2010 1:25 PM
Cliched, hackneyed assessments -- hey, what do you think made her the perfect speech writer for Ronald Reagan?
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bluesplashy
March 19, 2010 1:31 PM
Whoopeee Weiner - go get 'em. Sad thing is now we won't hear more of him on MSM because he when back at the BS and the talking airheads can't have that now can they.
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boycottfaux
March 19, 2010 1:38 PM
She also claimed that President Obama "misunderstood what history was asking of him"
Weird statement, no??
What'd Peggy think that Obama would be the White House lawn jockey?
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igotthis
March 19, 2010 1:48 PM in reply to boycottfaux
"What'd Peggy think that Obama would be the White House lawn jockey?" Classic! So hilarious!
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ondioline
March 19, 2010 2:07 PM in reply to boycottfaux
Weird and arrogant. We're not even 1/3 into the Obama Presidency and people think they're qualified to assess what "history" was asking of him? Or whether or not he correctly understood it? Or properly addressed it? Only a Republican would be so bold, so arrogant, and so utterly self-absorbed as to utter this on live television.
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lousgirl84
March 19, 2010 2:26 PM in reply to ondioline
Amen to that!!! Well said.
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ohyeathatsright
March 19, 2010 2:11 PM in reply to boycottfaux
From her perspective, history was asking that he be a white guy.
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KY Yellow Dog
March 19, 2010 4:19 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
Dead-on.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 1:42 PM
peggy noonan: 'great recession' = time to worry about the deficit.
what a fucking No-Nothing! completely full of SHIT.
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hollywood
March 19, 2010 2:38 PM in reply to fkaZk0sm0
Yes Peggy! The time to worry about the deficit was when your boy Bush was giving trillions in tax cuts to his rich friends and charging it to the Chinese credit card. The time to worry about the deficit was when your boy Bush was starting a huge fukking war for oil in Iraq and charging trillions on the Chinese credit card. The time to worry about deficits was when your boy Bush was fukking the economy up with the most assbackward trickledown bullshit imaginable. Gawd I hate Rethuglicans! Everyone rich person who got a tax cut under Bush should now pay an extra tax until the mess he made is cleaned up! The record profits of the oil companies should be taxed to pay for the war in Iraq they hatched up with their old benefactor Cheney.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 2:57 PM in reply to fkaZk0sm0
also, Know-Nothing.
but No-Nothing works too, i suppose since that's what the republican strategy is.
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LarsThorwald
March 19, 2010 1:49 PM
"And we are trying to fix the problems your team didn't."
That's what 2010 needs to be about. Give the public a choice. We can try and actually fix things, even if it's a messt process, or we can do what the other team hasn't done, and won't do.
Peggy Noonan had nothing to say when confronted with the record of the last 8 years. Nothing.
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BearCreekMan
March 19, 2010 1:56 PM
A million bucks to the next politician to call Peggy Noonan, a "whack job" live on Fox News.
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Dink
March 19, 2010 1:56 PM
The stupid Democrats put the Republican ideas in the bill: no public option, no single payer, no competition, limited restrictions on the industry......
Did anyone watch the Finance Committee meetings on CSPAN? Everything the republicans said they didn't want in the bill....didn't go in....
And NOW the Republicans are saying: no public option, no single payer, no competition, limited restrictions on the industry.....
Now -- Blow-hard Joe is spouting the very things....Republican's asked for.....
Stupid Democrats.... Republican's don't care about PEOPLE...
Watch this video again and see where Joe or Peggy ever talk about the people.... only the money...
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ArmChairPol
March 19, 2010 1:57 PM
She also claimed that President Obama "misunderstood what history was asking of him"
That part was most troubling to me as well. She's one who believes that Obama's done his part to address "White Guilt", here in the United States of America. ...soon Romney can assume the reigns and this great country of our will be able to get back to business!
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FreemanW
March 19, 2010 1:58 PM
Why isn't Noonan shopping at Nordstrom's, trying to turn the economy around?
Having her on a talk show? If I wanted to listen to some old bag with shit-4-brains, I'd tune into Glenda Beck.
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MT from CC
March 19, 2010 2:02 PM
What the difference between Peggy Noonan and the Hindenberg? One is an old gasbag full of hot air, and the other is a dirigible.
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chopperjc
March 19, 2010 2:16 PM in reply to MT from CC
rotflol. I am so stealing that.
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Rich in NJ
March 19, 2010 2:10 PM
Noonan is an idiot.
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Walter Mitty
March 19, 2010 2:11 PM
And Weiner was quick to jump to Israel's defense and condemn the White House when AIPAC sent out their letter.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 3:00 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
non sequitur much?
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miles born
March 19, 2010 2:16 PM
Sometimes I can't tell if it is her speaking or Cokie Roberts. Tired of these recycled arguments based on bad memories. Its like they woke up and they can't tell if its 1984 or 2010. Off with their heads!
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Cal Damage
March 19, 2010 2:29 PM in reply to miles born
Amen! Can someone put me out of my misery and have Cokie, Hale Bogg's lick-spittle daughter, removed from microphone range forever? Dear god, every time she speaks, an IQ point is lost somewhere...
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
March 19, 2010 8:11 PM in reply to Cal Damage
I'm convinced Cokie is stored in a cryogenic tank somewhere and defrosted periodically when NPR or ABC needs someone to dispense five minutes of stale inside the Beltway MSM CW gabble. Doesn't much matter what year it is. Just tell her what party's in power and she can reach into her bag of eight or nine "insights" and spew on cue. Then, back to the tank.
But then, at least she's more or less alive. David Broder's like L. Ron Hubbard and V.C. Andrews: producing copy years after year despite being dead and gone.
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Impishparrot
March 19, 2010 3:36 PM in reply to miles born
Tired of these same old 'clueless' GOP "Schlafly-era" party mouthpieces like Noonan. These aging, conservative "anti-liberal, anti-feminists" are so obviously antiquated, they parody themselves with every assertion they make. I think Rachel Maddow should invite the old bats on her show for a little Reagan history lesson and an introduction to the new women in 21st century journalism.
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masanf
March 19, 2010 2:22 PM
"For eight years in this country this problem was festering. Incomes were flat. Why? Cause every single spare dollar an employer had had to go into health care, not into wages."
And an increase in the Medicare payroll tax and mandatory insurance requirements for employers is going to cause wages to go up? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, Anthony.
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Cal Damage
March 19, 2010 2:34 PM in reply to masanf
If every employer has to provide medical insurance, then that provision no longer attracts employess, or locks them to the employer. Employees will be attracted by...wait for it...better pay! And decent work environments. And those who don't provide such will find they can't hire anyone.
It's called leveling the playing field, a concept the 'socialism for the wealthy, capitalism for the rest' crew over at the GOP seem to have forgotten.
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moodpost
March 19, 2010 2:37 PM in reply to masanf
For me there is chance that wages will go up. My company provides health insurance and people working for my company have had the flat incomes of which Weiner speaks. If others are in the risk pool, my company's costs might just go down -- more people paying in means more money in the pool -- and so my company might have to spend less and thus have more money available to give to employees. Oh, and 32 Million people will be insured that aren't insured today, and lots of others won't lose their coverage just because they are sick. It might just work. It can't be any worse than what I've lived with for the last 10 years or so.
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SchoolyT
March 19, 2010 2:39 PM in reply to masanf
you're clueless. Medicare increase is for the wealthy. mandatory insurance lowers the rates for everyone. there are also options to increase competition, lowering rates.
It DOES make a lot of sense to anyone who knows what's going on now.
If it doesn't make sense then you either don't agree that wages have been impacted by serial, double digit annual HC premium increases or you just don't understand.
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lousgirl84
March 19, 2010 2:28 PM
I do like this guy. He's not afraid to take anyone on because he is always armed with facts, something the thugs care nothing about
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masanf
March 19, 2010 2:28 PM
Caterpillar stated today that this healthcare bill would cost them $100 million/yr in added costs. It will have a similar impact on many other businesses. Using Weiner "logic", such added expenses will not only not have any effect on employee wages, because, as we all know, increased business expenses never get passed on to the employees and customers, it will also not result in decreased hiring by Caterpillar.
A bill that results in increased expenses for businesses is just what the economy and the unemployed need right now. Nothing spurs hiring like added business expenses and boy those added expenses work wonders for wages. Now, if they would only propose a $90 Billion dollar tax on banks that the CBO would indicate would be passed on to consumers, we can make the economy that much stronger. But surely they won't do that. Oh, wait....
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Cal Damage
March 19, 2010 2:39 PM in reply to masanf
As for increased expenses, I think Caterpillar s/b dumping all the run-off from their machining operations straight into the local water table, and remove all scrubbers from not only their own factories' stacks, but from the exhaust pipes of the big equipment they sell around the world. This would greatly reduce their costs, which they would of course put into....larger bonuses for the CEO.
PS: Please post your home address so we know which water table to inject this run-off into.
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hollywood
March 19, 2010 2:52 PM in reply to masanf
Please quit with the trickle down bullshit. According to your fukked up logic there is never a reason to tax any business at all, just let them run free and all costs will be absorbed by the poor little average worker/consumer. The banks are hugely profitable even in the worst recession in 60 years because of the hundreds of billions of socialist/welfare capital dollars we so kindly injected into their cooked high risk books ..... but we cannot tax their profits, their record profits, because they will just pass the costs on to us all anyway ?!? Well I must have not noticed when this country became a corporate welfare utopia. Pull your head out of your trickle down ass and make some sense please.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 3:21 PM in reply to masanf
oh give me a fucking break with whatever jim owens and his caterpillar pac has to say about anything. owens and caterpillar are republican partisans, not honest brokers in the political debate. CEO jim owens' personal political contributions are 100% republican. caterpillar pac give over 75% of its candidate contributions to republicans and every dime of its non-candidate contributions to solidly republican interests.
and FYI, $100million (even if it were true, and there is no good reason to believe that it is - easy to calculate the added expenses without factoring in the anticipated savings) is a drop in the bucket of caterpillar's $billion+ annual profits that its been posting during the recession - no doubt in large part due to the gov't's stimulus spending.
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Impishparrot
March 19, 2010 4:11 PM in reply to fkaZk0sm0
What about all those American jobs Caterpillar outsourced to India? Perhaps companies that practice out-sourcing to circumvent paying living-wages and health benefits should lose 'US government protection' of their holdings and business interests off American shores -- in other words, don't count on the cavalry if you rape these people economically like you have your own countrymen and women, and they decide to seize your holdings and jail your CEOS. They can afford to buy 'protection' from XE or other mercenaries with all that money they are saving in wages and benefits. Why should US taxpayers foot the bill to protect these companies holdings offshore like the US did for Chiquita and others in South America, and oil companies in Africa?
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Viva!America!
March 19, 2010 4:27 PM in reply to masanf
$100 million? that's it? seriously, they would spend that much on lobbying if they needed to.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to Viva!America!
but $100 million is a big round scary number.
never mind that its top eight executives alone pocket over half that amount ($55 million) in compensation...
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dnegri
March 19, 2010 2:37 PM
Conservatives have nothing they can point to that has helped this country move forward over the past century. All they can do is whine and protest and frighten. And throw the wool over many people's eyes.
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regular_joe
March 19, 2010 2:38 PM
Down goes Noonan!
As long as the GOP has any thing to say about progress in this country, there won't be any.
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Cal Damage
March 19, 2010 2:41 PM in reply to regular_joe
She's been going down on all things Republican for a long time.
Have a Chapstick, Peg.
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dnegri
March 19, 2010 2:40 PM
Caterpillar's CEO is a hard core right wing Republican. He's the kind of guy that the US Chamber of Commerce represents in their habitual "it will cost jobs" opposition to anything that will help workers and/or average Americans.
When Obama went to Caterpillar's main factory to push for the stimulus, the very next day the CEO said it wouldn't work. Well, it has worked.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 3:25 PM in reply to dnegri
as evidenced by caterpillar's profits staying right around the billion dollar mark during the recession.
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Captain Obvious
March 19, 2010 2:52 PM
it certainly is rich to hear a Newt republican assume a populist position just to taunt the corporate democrats. I think that the work of those in opposition to for-profit insurance have convinced a few people. This fight isn't over, rates will continue to rise exponentially, and it will need to be addressed. A whole lot more people will die, bankrupt before this happens due to the evil whores in our government who are cool with murder by spreadsheet.
Populism comes in cycles, just like disappointment from the voters. Dems claim to be populist, then are really fascist. Reps appeal to their own type of populism, and then turn out to be fascist too. Rinse and repeat.
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hollywood
March 19, 2010 3:07 PM in reply to Captain Obvious
"Murder by spreadsheet"
That is excellent! Harvard estimates that 45,000 people in America die unnecessarily every god damned year because of a lack of "insurance". What they are really suffering and dying from is a lack of common sense and decency. The right wing are so fond of declaring this a "christian nation". Well Jesus Christ must have been one greedy fucking asshole!
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mcrose68
March 19, 2010 4:38 PM in reply to hollywood
Didn't you hear?
Turns out that Jesus Christ was a antheist communist mole.
Glenn Beck and the new Christian Right recognized early that JC just didn't have the rank cynicism and self-serving attitude that it takes to be a real Chritian patriot.
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Brian in Madison
March 19, 2010 3:03 PM
Ms. Noonan said that now is not a good time to the reform health care system in the U.S. because, "We are in the Great Recession [capitals inferred by me]." Didn't we create Social Security in this country in 1935? That was during the Great DEpression, and during that period we also created a public health agency and the Civilian Conservation Corps. In that year the FBI also became an independent national law enforcement agency. Noonan's arguments are like a dandelion puff. The least breeze of logic blows them away.
Health care for all Americans is a patriotic idea. I can't believe that conservatives don't claim it as their own.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 19, 2010 3:29 PM in reply to Brian in Madison
and what happened during the new deal when we started worrying about deficits as noonan would have us do...
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dannyluv
March 19, 2010 3:31 PM
I admire Anthony more every day! I'm behind him 100%. In every issue, I see eye to eye with this man.
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Lewsir
March 19, 2010 4:10 PM
Okay so I'm an American living in Europe and rarely watch American TV (except Jon Stewart). I haven't seen Morning Joe before and haven't watched a talking heads type program in a while. And while I do agree with Weinart and I think Noonan is just one of the right's mouth pieces, my biggest reaction by far is that I can't believe how loud and obnoxious the entire affair was. Is this normal? Is respect and politeness completely gone from talk shows now? Do people not realize that this is insanity?
Cheers, I'm off to take an ibuprofen...
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KY Yellow Dog
March 19, 2010 4:24 PM in reply to Lewsir
Sorry to have to say this, but it was far less loud and obnoxious than most, especially on Faux.
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lousgirl84
March 20, 2010 10:40 AM in reply to Lewsir
Well, yes, this is normal and it's even worse than this most of the time. You aren't missing much by not watching - and especially Morning Joe.
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Leftflank
March 19, 2010 4:19 PM
Scarbororough is pretty much getting a pass here. Personally, I despise him more than this Noonan hack or Pat Robertson or many of his other lackeys. I'm sure there is a reason for him to be on MSNBC as I'm sure there is a reason that Mika sits right next to him swallowing his piggishness. I'll have to have it explained to me though. Is this what fair & balanced is? Is this so that we can see what the face of the right actually looks like? His spawn, Willie & the other guy have the same sickening arrogance. I say count this as an experiment failed.
Joe makes C-Span bearable & has become the #1 reason to own & use a DVR.
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P White
March 20, 2010 7:07 AM in reply to Leftflank
I couldn't agree more. Don't ya just love the commercial for his show that says how much respect he has for everyone and how he sincerely 'listens' to everyone? Oh yeah, when I think of Joe I don't think of someone who's smug and condescending...who interrupts and mocks his guests. Na...Joe is practically Gandhi and Martin Luther King wrapped up in one. If I hear "WHEN I WAS IN THE CONGRESS..." one more time!
Good for Anthony Weiner for speaking out. It's more than I can say about 3/4ths of the liberals on that show. If you argue too much with Joe you don't get to be on again next week.
Mika is such an humiliating sycophant I can't even talk about it. She just proves that brains aren't hereditary.
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Leftflank
March 20, 2010 2:55 PM in reply to P White
Google him, he's a flaming conservative, anti-choice, anti-labor, married a bush aide, another divorced family values guy, & the topper is his 28 year old female assistant mysteriously died while alone with him in his office. He resigned over the contoversy & gave the requisite "I need to spend more time with the family" excuse. That's right after the contoversy & the divorce that he figured that out. More like I'm getting out before the investigation & with what little I've got left.
He's about as neutral as O'reilly & equally as disgusting.
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dougom
March 19, 2010 5:20 PM
Weiner/Grayson, 2016.
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LAB
March 19, 2010 5:27 PM
I LOVE Anthony Weiner's spirit-- and Peggy deserved more than he gave her. She's living in Oz with Ronnie Raygun...pathetic.
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afisher
March 19, 2010 5:33 PM
So read her piece in the WSJ today, she was correct about one thing: She stated: Glenn Beck is insane.
Other than that, she speaks because she can, not because she has something interesting or knowlegeable to say. It was LOL stupid, she criticized President Obama for postponing is Foreign Travel...now imagine the shreaking if he had just left the country - she would have also been shreaking. It just doesn't matter, she and the GOP will complain about why the opposite didn't happen because they are against everything this administration wants to do. (as in PERIOD! No thought process required).
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anelder
March 19, 2010 6:29 PM in reply to afisher
it was Hilary who noted that "if Obama walked on water many would say he couldn't swim."
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GTFOOH
March 19, 2010 5:35 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing Anthony Weiner replace Rahm Emannuel as Cheif of Staff, if he is leaving as predicted.
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JEP07
March 20, 2010 10:44 AM in reply to GTFOOH
Second that one...
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611Juniper
March 19, 2010 6:04 PM
Fixing the health care problem will make a huge contribution to the jobs situation! I'm self-employed and am having to sacrifice my dream of building a business/staying self-employed simply because of the nightmare situation facing me in the individual health care market.
People also need to remember that if we're going to have a high performing economy, we need to have healthy workers who can perform at peak levels. If people are disabled because of preventable conditions, we as a people are biting our nose to spite our face just to save a few bucks on health care.
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glblank
March 19, 2010 6:16 PM
Noonan you ignorant slut, where were you when Ronnie and boy George sold our debt overseas. Maybe Paulie Ryan has found gyhis new Ayn.
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glblank
March 19, 2010 6:17 PM
Noonan you ignorant slut, where were you when Ronnie and boy George sold our debt overseas. Maybe Paulie Ryan has found his new Ayn.
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AhTrini1
March 19, 2010 6:20 PM
I am getting to hate Mika. I can't stand how she cowers to that windbag Scarborough.
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ivy22
March 19, 2010 7:00 PM
Noonan shows up on Moron Joe on MSNBC and usually waxes on and on about Ronnie Reagan. They must have had a thing going on behind Nancy's back.
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AS
March 19, 2010 7:02 PM
...who is the old woman Peggy Noonan that you speak of?
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AS
March 19, 2010 7:08 PM
Caterpiller is in the Chamber of Commerce scarey ads, attacking Obama.
Caterpillers are junk anyway...they break down.
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theWalrus
March 19, 2010 7:24 PM
TPM loves to use the phrase "smack down" but once again I neither saw Noonnan get smacked nor go down. Damn!
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Libertyluvrz
March 19, 2010 7:32 PM
Anyone else think Peggy *really* needs a vibrator?
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StokeyBob
March 20, 2010 12:10 AM
I believe the root of our economic problems is fiat money. To spend more money we don't have on socialized health care just saps the strength out of the money we do have.
Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear.
Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him.
You own half of everything and so do I.
I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank.
You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with.
All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world!
That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED.
That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses.
They have been beating us with our own stick!!!!1
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SleepinJeezus
March 20, 2010 7:09 AM
I really get a charge out of the Repubs and the Tea Baggers who are so insistent that Obama isn't following their agenda; that he isn't "listening to us, the voters." They just can't quite get it through their head that they lost the last election. Just how many attendees at any tea party rally do you suppose voted for Obama or ANY Democrat in 2008? Noonan surely didn't vote for Barack Obama. Neither did Dicked Armey. Neither did Mitch McConnell or John the Boner.
Guess what, you knobs! You lost the election! Please refrain from pretending that you speak for those of us who voted Obama and the Dems into office with a request that they get some work done. In other words: Get the f*ck outta' the way. We've got work to do and no longer have time for your silly-assed games.
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JEP07
March 20, 2010 10:41 AM in reply to SleepinJeezus
"She also claimed that President Obama "misunderstood what history was asking of him"
Maybe she is talking about Texas history books?
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lousgirl84
March 20, 2010 10:42 AM in reply to SleepinJeezus
Yeah how about that. We won the fucking election. I cannot tell you how many people I have had to remind of that fact. Elections have consequences and it's about time the dems start showing them just how much of a consequence it is.
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ray reynolds
March 20, 2010 8:48 AM
Scarborough won't let Weiner talk. Shut up ass hole.
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lousgirl84
March 20, 2010 10:37 AM
Having to listen to beady-eyed Scarborough was about as painful as a root canal. I despise that fucker. However, Weiner was fabulous.
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JEP07
March 20, 2010 10:52 AM
And, of course, we still NEVER see the term "profit controls" proffered despite the fact that is where the fault lies.
When capitalism begins to eat itself from the top down, maybe it is time to add some social control? No one seems to want to address this two ton gorilla. Especially in terms of health care costs.
And you don't have to turn communist to put some sane restrictions on profit percentages. But everyone who suggests profit control gets shoved all the way back to the Bolshevik rebellion.
Moderation, especially of their ill-gained profits, is anathema to the book cookers.
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roxsteady
March 20, 2010 11:32 AM
Hey Nooners! Ronnie Raygun increased the deficit by 189%. Got that? He trippled the deficit. Then, there Bush who doubled it so he could give tax cuts to the wealthy which was supposed to spur job growth. Instead, we lost 7 million jobs under Bush and his party of klansmen!
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nikolai
March 20, 2010 1:32 PM
First of all, YEAH! GO Anthony Weiner!! (But please stay out of small planes). Now, here's my situation; I was laid off in late 2008 from an IT/Telecommunications job where I made 62K a year and paid $380.00 a month for health care insurance with my company paying the rest. This was for myself, my wife and son. Then we were on COBRA for several months, which was $1257.50 per month, until President Obama lowered it RETROACTIVELY to $338.00 per month (I could've kissed his feet). Then I found work, but only for 22K per year, and while still paying $400.00 per month for health insurance; my employer told me their share for my insurance is $1200.00 per month, and does not include vision coverage. Here's the thing; at this point I AM FOR WHATEVER PRESIDENT OBAMA WANTS TO TRY AND DO TO IMPROVE HEALTH CARE FOR AMERICANS. President Obama helped me with COBRA, and I trust him to help me (and my employer) with lower health insurance and better options. I am at my wits end and at a financial dead end, and burning thru my savings. It can't get ANY WORSE in my opinion! I am willing to try anything, and President Obama's plan sounds more than reasonable to me; worst case scenario, it's at least a start, so President Obama, you have my full support!!!
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Leftflank
March 20, 2010 3:52 PM
There it is. Real world, factual, no fear or misinformation added. I qualify for the Indian Health Care system & other than a few years in the union, (been self-employed for most of my life), it's all I've ever had. Also my children & many relatives. I'm sure it could be spun to look like a bad thing, but that would be totally untrue. They don't run you through for max profits & actually care about your health. Scary concept, I know. It's just medi-care for the native Indian people, just like the VA is for vets, SChip is for kids & MEDI-CARE is for the 65 & over crowd. Shit if they can't do universal coverage, all they need to do is add a few more specialty groups. Which, so far has been totally doable, & then, Booyah, you've got the same as universal coverage only without the Hitler references or retread of every deadbeat right-wing blowhard.
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Leftflank
March 20, 2010 4:06 PM in reply to Leftflank
The above post was to the post above it (nikolai).
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Tosh
May 12, 2010 7:32 AM
It certainly is rich to hear a Newt republican assume a populist position just to taunt the corporate democrats. I think that the work of those in opposition to for-profit insurance have convinced a few people. This fight isn't over, rates will continue to rise exponentially, and it will need to be addressed. A whole lot more people will die, bankrupt before this happens due to the evil whores in our government who are cool with murder by spreadsheet.
Populism comes in cycles, just like disappointment from the voters. Dems claim to be populist, then are really fascist. Reps appeal to their own type of populism, and then turn out to be fascist too. Rinse and repeat.
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