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Carly Fiorina: Breadless Holiday Of Passover Is A Time To 'Break Bread'
Jillian Rayfield | March 30, 2010, 12:18PM
CA-SEN candidate Carly Fiorina (R)
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California Senate candidate Carly Fiorina (R) sent a letter to her supporters yesterday in honor of the first night of the Jewish holiday of Passover, which she described as a time where "we break bread and spend time with our families and friends."
Add this to the annals of unfortunate metaphors, since Passover is actually a time when most Jews abstain from eating any bread at all.
Passover marks the Jewish exodus from slavery in Egypt, when they were so rushed to escape they didn't even have time to let their bread rise. Instead, they ate Matzoh, or unleavened bread. Typically, Jews replace all bread and bread products with Matzoh for the eight days of the Passover holiday.
In other Fiorina news, the Republican is reportedly boycotting a debate tonight with Republican opponents Chuck DeVore and Tom Campbell.
Here's the full Passover email:
Passover is a time of remembrance and thanks. This festival provides us all - Jewish, Christian and all faiths - an opportunity to reflect on the challenges we have faced and the triumphs we have achieved together. It is also a reminder of the resilient spirit that has carried people through trials of every kind through every generation.This week, as we break bread and spend time with our families and friends, I hope we also take a moment to say a word of thanks for our freedom and for those who have given their lives in freedom's name. Let us also look ahead with hope to the opportunities to come.
Best wishes for a safe and happy holiday.
Sincerely,
Carly Fiorina
Late Update: The Fiorina Camp explains the "break bread" comment in another e-mail to supporters:
We meant all bread, leavened and unleavened, and matzo is just unleavened bread so that's what we meant by that.
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nova voter
March 30, 2010 12:42 PM
el oh el
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TheOtherWA
March 30, 2010 1:53 PM in reply to nova voter
*snort*
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Mike2
March 30, 2010 8:23 PM in reply to TheOtherWA
Oh please, Fiorina is a contempt worthy politician, but not because of this remark. Matzah is bread. I know it is because I just said "Blessed are You (etc.)... who brings forth bread ("lehem") from the earth" before I hate it last night at the seder.
What is culturally odd about the remark is applying the English and quasi Christian phrase "break bread" to the quintessentially Jewish ritual of the seder. In a sense that does make it sound a bit like some kind of goyish thing, some kind of last suppery sort of gathering, and yes, there is a whole Christian trend to appropriate Passover and the Seder for non-Jews. So, yes, there is a little bit of an "ick" factor in referring to the Seder as a time for breaking bread.
If you want a universal Jewish holiday, she would have been wiser to speak of siting in Sukot with your neighbors in the fall. Sukot is the Jewish holiday about everyone getting along. Passover is the most nationalist, most ethnocentric, most "us, not them" holiday of any Jewish holiday. So THAT whole business is kind of weird and represents a growing appropriation without understanding of Jewish culture by the broader culture.
But is matzah bread? It had better be, or else Jews have been making a pretty huge mistake as the first act of the Seder meal for the last hundreds of years.
We don't eat leavened bread. We eat unleavened bread, aka matzah.
Give the woman a break on this.
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mcrose68
March 30, 2010 9:06 PM in reply to Mike2
Agreed.
Fiorina has plenty of contemptible qualities, and is an easy target for ridicule - but the fact that she wants to express good feelings toward people of a religion/culture/faith that she knows little about. . . well, as a secular humanist, please excuse me if I give her a pass for taking time to express (in the language of her own culture) good feelings toward all.
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An Outhouse
March 30, 2010 9:52 PM in reply to Mike2
Christians take over everybody's holidays and make them ours. Its who we are.
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Nancy Irving
March 30, 2010 11:51 PM in reply to An Outhouse
Synchretism R Us, LOL.
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Nancy Irving
March 30, 2010 11:52 PM in reply to Nancy Irving
Argggg! One second too late. Make that "syncretism."
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Mike2
March 30, 2010 11:30 PM in reply to Mike2
type "before I ate it"... not "before I hate it"... 'cause I really do love it!
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Bar Kafka
March 31, 2010 12:38 PM in reply to Mike2
Agreed. Also, matzah is much easier to "break" than most leavened breads. But I really can't too excited over the "ethnocentric" quality of an obviously ethnic festival. Anyway, it could never compete with St. Patrick's Day for springtime inclusiveness.
And now a portion of the Hagaddah,.....,
"Dig: I'm Jewish. Count Basie's Jewish. Ray Charles is Jewish. Eddie Cantor's goyish. B'nai Brith is goyish; Hadassah, Jewish. Marine corps--heavy goyim, dangerous. Kool-Aid is goyish. All Drake's cakes are goyish. Pumpernickel is Jewish, and, as you know, white bread is very goyish. Instant potatoes--goyish. Black cherry soda's very Jewish. Macaroons are very Jewish--very Jewish cake. Fruit salad is Jewish. Lime jello is goyish. Lime soda is very goyish" [Lenny Bruce].
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Mike2
March 31, 2010 1:09 PM in reply to Bar Kafka
right, you want inclusiveness in the spring, go with St. Patrick. ... the Jewish year starts exclusive (Passover, April/May) and gets progressively more inclusive up through Rosh HaShannah (birthday of the world, Septemberish,) and then Sukot (all people sit together in peace...)
But try explaining that to anyone. Happy Sukot everyone.
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artappraiser
March 31, 2010 2:09 PM in reply to Mike2
Spring equinox holidays celebrating rebirth/resurrection of life and light after the darkness/death of winter:
Nowruz (now celebrated by Zoroastrians--not to mention secularly by Persians--but descended from an ancient Babylonian equinox fest which may have influenced when the date was set for Passover celebrations)
Easter (from Eostre, Anglo-Saxon lunar goddess, namesake of the hormone estrogen,)
Shunbun No Hi in Japan.....
Need I say it? L'chaim!
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Bar Kafka
March 31, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to artappraiser
Yes, the Babylonian connection is interesting. Purim, the second in the string of three early full moon holidays on the Jewish calendar, celebrates the story of Esther and Mordechai which bears a certain resemblance to the Babylonian Ishtar and Marduk.
I have also heard discussions around seder tables about the artifacts from both agricultural and nomadic herding cultures that meet in the eight day Passover festival. For example, the idea of new bread, absent starter dough, without enough airborne yeast to make it rise -- from what I understand it takes about a week to develop a starter dough; meanwhile, there is essential image of cattle slaughter in the name "Pesach" itself. It's not much of a leap to conclude that maybe the nomadic Israelite herdsman didn't do such a thorough job (if at all) of eradicating the sedentary Canaanite farmers after all -- which could also go a long way in explaining why so many prophets had to keep "exterminating" the priests of Baal over and over again, too.
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Lovelynina
April 1, 2010 1:15 PM in reply to nova voter
You know matzoh is pretty crispy so "breaking bread" is only possible on Jewish High Holidays like Passover and the Obligatory Chinese Food Dinner to end the holiday.
Jews, non-Jews and all our non-Jewish and Non-Goyish brethren can smell b.s. on days of Awe just like on regular weekdays. Amen.
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jack'sband
March 30, 2010 12:42 PM
I especially like the line, "This festival provides us all - Jewish, Christian and all faiths", like all other faiths are an afterthought. Reminds of of the old Gilligan's Island theme song- "The Movie Star, and the rest...."
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JosephP
March 30, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to jack'sband
"We embrace people of all religions, be they Christian, Jewish, or 'Other'."
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EnnuiDivine
March 30, 2010 1:36 PM in reply to JosephP
Reminds me of that old Simpsons episode.
Rev. Lovejoy: God was in the hearts of your neighbors, whether they be Christian, Jew, or miscellaneous.
Apu: Hindu. There over 700 million of us
Rev. Lovejoy: That's super.
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benjoya
March 30, 2010 8:11 PM in reply to EnnuiDivine
or:
Father Maxi: Boys, I haven't seen you in church lately.
Kyle: Well, I'm Jewish.
Father Maxi: You're not too Jewish to worship Jesus, are you?
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bobosqueakers
March 30, 2010 6:41 PM in reply to JosephP
I thought we were all WASPs? No???
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Why oh why
March 30, 2010 2:36 PM in reply to jack'sband
Be you Hindu, Jewish, or Muslim, I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
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jeaton
March 30, 2010 6:08 PM in reply to Why oh why
Please, Jesus, save me from your followers!
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Nancy Irving
March 30, 2010 11:55 PM in reply to jeaton
As Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, but not your Christians."
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NotBornEveryMinute
March 30, 2010 9:19 PM in reply to jack'sband
Was Mary Ann a Buddhist?
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Nancy Irving
March 30, 2010 11:57 PM in reply to NotBornEveryMinute
Yes, and the Professor was an atheist, just like all pointy-headed intellectuals.
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artappraiser
March 31, 2010 1:11 PM in reply to jack'sband
So I would think you're also on board with Bill O'Reilly on the White House Christmas cards that say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"?
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C0mm0n5en5e
March 30, 2010 12:56 PM
I don't have a problem with this. Matzoh is unleavened BREAD. Also, part of the ceremony of the seder meal is that the matzoh (BREAD) is divided (BROKEN, since it's crispy like a cracker) among all the members of the table.
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thrillhouse
March 30, 2010 1:13 PM in reply to C0mm0n5en5e
I agree. Unleavened bread is still bread. This is lame snark.
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Jersey Jon
March 30, 2010 1:34 PM in reply to thrillhouse
Agreed.
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punkdavid
March 30, 2010 2:08 PM in reply to Jersey Jon
I was going to post the same thing.
It should also be remembered that the term "breaking bread" as it is primarily understood in the Christian sense comes from the Last Supper, which was a Passover seder, where Jesus undoubtedly broke matzoh for his disciples.
This should be taken down. It makes us look smaller than Carly Fiorina, and that's not easy to do.
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calbearinillinois
March 30, 2010 2:27 PM in reply to punkdavid
The fact the phrase "breaking bread" to some connotes the New Testament accounts of the Last Supper (specifically Luke) speaks in part to the cultural inaccuracies of that document. The Gospels, while trying to describe a Jewish seder, weren't written by Jews for Jews, but by followers of Christ at least two generations removed from the act. The actual New Testament was compiled by Roman authorities and reflected translational and transcriptive errors from the Greek in the 4th century AD. By that time there was a conscious effort to distinguish Christianity from its Judaic roots. Many branches of Christianity have furthered that distinction by replacing unleavened eucharists - which were never really authentic matzo in the first place - with various bread products.
Plus, the act of breaking bread with someone is an ancient custom of peace and hospitality, and is used in the Old Testament outside of the Passover context.
If a Christian relies only on Christian texts to teach them about Passover, that's hardly a defense for getting inaccurate information. More like a condemnation.
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tk
March 30, 2010 11:33 PM in reply to calbearinillinois
Paragraph 2 - good point. If only the Fiorina people would have bothered to think for a minute and used that reply instead
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C0mm0n5en5e
March 30, 2010 3:47 PM in reply to punkdavid
I would bet that "breaking bread" as an expression for "dine together" predates The Last Supper. Here's a reference in the Iliad: "It was in your tents that I first broke bread on the day when you took me prisoner in the vineyard"
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ohyeathatsright
March 30, 2010 5:43 PM in reply to C0mm0n5en5e
Love the historical context in this thread.
And I agree...leave the snark to the comment rolls.
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lotl
March 31, 2010 2:43 AM in reply to ohyeathatsright
I don't recall the source at the moment, but I've read that the phrase comes from a folk belief that, as bread symbolizes prosperity, cutting it with a knife would "cut off" your wealth. Breaking (or tearing) it instead was supposed to ensure your prosperity would continue.
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Lovelynina
April 1, 2010 1:22 PM in reply to lotl
Not really. The phrase "breaking bread" comes from the tradition of Christ breaking matzoh during his last Passover seder, which has been brought down in history as The Last Supper. So Fiorina was kind of right without knowing it.
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Nancy Irving
March 31, 2010 12:06 AM in reply to C0mm0n5en5e
Yes, but that's a translation of the Iliad into English. Anyone translating a text into English, especially a classic text, is going to use rhetorical tropes derived from the English classics, of which the King James Bible is the most important.
Does a literal translation of this line from the Greek speak in terms of "breaking" "bread"? (I don't know, I'm just asking.)
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converse
March 30, 2010 2:11 PM in reply to C0mm0n5en5e
That's why we call everything that's made of flour--crackers, cake, etc--bread. It's all the same damn thing, right? Now can say "duh!"
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commie atheist
March 30, 2010 7:29 PM in reply to converse
When my family and I gather around the communal bag of Lay's potato chips we call it "breaking bread."
Actually, no, we don't.
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fkaZk0sm0
March 30, 2010 8:54 PM in reply to commie atheist
Bag of Lay's, TwinPak of Twinkies, Cool Ranch Doritos...
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xargaw
March 30, 2010 1:05 PM
She was a trainwreck at HP. She was a trainwreck campaigning for McCain and she will crash running for Gov. She is the icon for the "Peter Principal."
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lousgirl84
March 30, 2010 1:17 PM in reply to xargaw
Actually she's running for Senator against Barbara Boxer but you are right - she will crash and burn - we will not elect her as Senator here in California.
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Capn Chucky
March 30, 2010 3:04 PM in reply to lousgirl84
I'd have said the same thing about Cosmo Brown a few months ago. Make sure your Boxer voters are good and fired up.
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lousgirl84
March 30, 2010 7:57 PM in reply to Capn Chucky
We are - don't you worry and I happen to like Cosmo Brown.
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Polly Tics
March 30, 2010 6:18 PM in reply to xargaw
I think you may be confusing CARLY FIORINA of Demon Sheep and Senate fame with MEG WHITMAN who IS running for Governor of Cali.
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EH
March 30, 2010 6:44 PM in reply to Polly Tics
the convenient thing is that many of the same criticisms apply to both.
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Nancy Irving
March 31, 2010 12:15 AM in reply to Polly Tics
Well, it IS difficult to distinguish one epic disaster from another.
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SantaCruz
March 30, 2010 1:16 PM
I guess that solves the question of who brought the spiral-cut ham to the seder.
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lousgirl84
March 30, 2010 1:17 PM
LOL....
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ched
March 30, 2010 1:51 PM
When she said "break" bread, she must have meant break as in destroy, fracture, or to cause to cease to function, or any one of the other 75 or so definitions of break. Yes, I'm sure that's what it is, as opposed to "eat" bread, which is the most commonly understood meaning of that term. Carly's on a roll (get it? On a roll?)
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jwsevert
March 30, 2010 1:54 PM
Brings to mind one of the great quotes of the 2008 campaign. After Fiorina said McCain couldn't run a Fortune 500 company, an unnamed McCain staffer responded with "Carly will now disappear."
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SantaCruz
March 30, 2010 2:03 PM
Just read the Fiorina Camp's response. I guess that means when she would break bread at those Hewlett-Packard meetings, she would bring the matzo.
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Sexxybeast1973
March 30, 2010 2:10 PM
Let's hope she runs her senate campaign as well as she ran Hewlett Packard
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calbearinillinois
March 30, 2010 2:12 PM
The update of we meant "all" bread, then claiming you meant matzo by it, is just digging the whole deeper. Like the "Jews, Christians and all faiths" and "all people through all generations" - its just stupid wording that makes it even clearer how insincere the comment truly is. Would have been better off to either do nothing at all or a little research. Treating passover likes its an ecumenical holiday - de-Judaising it, as it were - reads as lame and out of touch. Something Fiorina keeps doing a lot of from poor website design to the demon sheep commercial.
Passover is not something wannabe politicians should jump blindly into.
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TaylorB1
March 30, 2010 2:34 PM
As one poster said, this is sort of "lame snark" but it's also in keeping with her poor campaign...shows that money can't buy everything, I guess. She would have looked better had she not clumsily apologized...made her look like a desperate panderer.
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BeeCee
March 30, 2010 2:40 PM
So...then...it must be the blood of the demon sheep over my doorway...
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terje
March 30, 2010 2:46 PM
Actually she's right about this.
During the Seder, we refer to Matzah as "the bread of affliction" . And we literally break it as an important part of the ceremony - known as Yahchahtz. The middle matzah in a stack of 3 is broken, with the smaller half hidden to become the Afikoman, a symbolically important piece that is hidden for children to search for later, and which is ultimately divided among all the participants to be the last thing eaten during the Seder.
Kind of silly snark
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Jim H
March 30, 2010 3:17 PM
I agree, this is silly snark. The real outrage should be from this line:
What, is she declaring a war on Passover? She can't say "Merry Passover" like everyone else?
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garp
March 30, 2010 3:44 PM
She meant white Protestant bread.
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Dorn76
March 30, 2010 4:05 PM
Carly is a disaster, but this is really a non-story.
I'd be more interested in her stance on actual issues, and how that might effect, oh, you know, REAL PEOPLE.
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JefferyK
March 30, 2010 4:53 PM
Fiorina is a rich moron -- which means she's perfect for California. I'm sure she'll be elected in the fall.
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barnacle
March 31, 2010 9:39 AM in reply to JefferyK
Fuck you. From a proud Californian (Southern California, at that).
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Polly Tics
March 30, 2010 6:13 PM
The infamous Carly Fiorina; from the Demon Sheep ad to the Demon Blimp ad to the Demon Bread email. Ahhh, Carly...
Does anyone think she has a chance in Demon-ville to win a Senate seat?
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concerned parent
March 30, 2010 6:18 PM
Does she plan to part the red(aka white) sea?
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spankusmaximus
March 30, 2010 6:44 PM
"CARLYFORNIA DREAMIN'!!!!"
Who the hell uses extra punctuation to that degree w/out being a tween after her parents let her sign up for a facebook account?
...and wtf is a 'carlyfornia'?!
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commie atheist
March 30, 2010 7:30 PM in reply to spankusmaximus
She's going for the Austrian Movie Star vote.
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33lp
March 30, 2010 7:26 PM
She'salready got Krusty's vote. It's his father, Rabbi Krustofski, she's pandering to here.
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AirBoss
March 30, 2010 7:30 PM
Carly-FAILINA
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Resistance
March 30, 2010 7:35 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim
If Carly Fiorina beleved as Haman did, she might have wished to be breaking bread and celebrating over the destuction of the Jews.
I think she has her celebrations mixed up?
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commie atheist
March 30, 2010 7:35 PM
I actually found her reason for ducking the debate to be a much more interesting case of fail:
So first she had a scheduling conflict, then after they changed the date, she decided she didn't like the moderator. Feh. She and EMeg Whitman should just follow Super Sarah Palin's lead and just do all their campaigning on Facebook. Why bother having to answer all those pesky questions from reporters and potential voters?
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miguel
March 30, 2010 7:40 PM
I had no idea and don't care that Jews don't eat bread on passover. Why is anyone supposed to care about the traditions of some ancient desert tribe? Do you care what the Hittites ate in their ceremonial rituals?
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Zell
March 30, 2010 7:55 PM
WTF, this is so idiotic, TPM. Even in your very description, you essentially say "Jews don't eat bread on Passover; instead, they eat bread on Passover."
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agio
March 30, 2010 8:07 PM
Most Bibles translate מַצּוֹת as "unleavened bread".
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Joe Buck
March 30, 2010 8:12 PM
Carly's a total screwup who ran HP into the ground, but still collected millions to go away. She should retire in shame, not run for the Senate. But TPM should blush for publishing this lame attack. No one's going to change their votes or get all pissed off because she (or, more likely, some staffer) said "break bread", and if anything "break" is closer to what you do with unleavened bread. Traditional bread is sliced or torn, even though we say "break".
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Capers
March 30, 2010 8:19 PM
Fail.
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Rich in NJ
March 30, 2010 8:22 PM in reply to Capers
She's actually failed upward, despite her lack of talent.
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Donald from Hawaii
March 30, 2010 8:27 PM
Unleavened bread. Right.
Never mind Carly Fiorina's Senate campaign. How in the world did this ignorant fool ever become CEO of Hewlett-Packard?
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freaktown
March 30, 2010 9:05 PM
hey, i didnt know jews couldn't eat bread either
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benjoya
March 30, 2010 10:36 PM
i don't know. i've always found it hard to believe that matzoh has anything in common with bread.
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Larry Geater
March 31, 2010 8:57 AM in reply to benjoya
All the same ingridients except levening.
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bdog207
March 30, 2010 10:58 PM
Wasn't she the one that drove HP into the ground, then got a huge multi-million dollar bonus after she left? Yep, she'll fit right in with her fellow rethugs in the senate (assuming she gets elected).
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capeman
March 31, 2010 12:05 AM
This is the best political blog I know, and it should stay that way by apologizing for making such a lame, schoolyard taunt. A taunt that doesn't even make any sense.
The stuff is bread; it gets broken. Leave the woman alone.
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teahead
March 31, 2010 3:15 AM
As much as I despise this woman for her love of outsourcing jobs, this is one stupid nit pick.
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Perm Dude
March 31, 2010 3:18 AM
Snarkreach.
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artappraiser
March 31, 2010 1:04 PM in reply to Perm Dude
to a pitiful degree.
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Clavis
March 31, 2010 11:54 AM
Hasn't it been conclusively established that there is no evidence for, and plenty of counter-evidence against, the notion that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt?
If it could be determined that my ancestors never suffered under a situation like that, the first thing I'd do would be to stop performing an annual ritual celebrating how brave and stalwart my ancestors were for enduring something they apparently never had to endure at all.
Tradition is dumb.
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Spiff
March 31, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to Clavis
Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Lovelynina
April 1, 2010 1:25 PM in reply to Spiff
Yes I agree. Lets tell all the Jews across the world to stop celebrating Passover. It's so silly.
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artappraiser
March 31, 2010 1:18 PM
Jews replace all bread and bread products with Matzoh for the eight days of the Passover holiday.
Silly me, I always thought they replaced leavened bread with unleavened bread during the Passover holiday. And I always thought matzoh was unleavened bread. As stupid as Carly, that's me.
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Tosh
April 28, 2010 6:02 AM
Hasn't it been conclusively established that there is no evidence for, and plenty of counter-evidence against, the notion that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt?
If it could be determined that my ancestors never suffered under a situation like that, the first thing I'd do would be to stop performing an annual ritual celebrating how brave and stalwart my ancestors were for enduring something they apparently never had to endure at all.
Tradition is dumb.
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