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Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) released a statement saying that he will introduce legislation this week to repeal the health care reform bill that passed in the House today. Here's the full text:

"This bill is unconstitutional and it cannot be fixed. It must be repealed," said Senator DeMint. "The battle for health care freedom is not over and I will introduce legislation this week to repeal this health takeover.

"Unless this trillion-dollar assault on our freedoms is repealed, it will force Americans to purchase Washington-approved health plans or face stiff penalties. It will fund abortions, raise taxes and insurance premiums, while reducing health care choices and quality."

"This arrogant power grab proves that the President and his party care more about government control than the will of the American people. Americans told Washington to keep its hands off their health care in opinion polls, at public protests, and at the ballot box, but their pleas were ignored.

"If the President and Democrats were serious about true health care reform, there were many free-market solutions we could have easily passed. Americans support commonsense reforms such as purchasing coverage across state lines, stopping frivolous medical lawsuits, and giving the same tax breaks to Americans who don't get their insurance at work. Unfortunately, Democrats refused to listen."

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March 21, 2010 11:20 PM   

Southern clown is here again!!

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March 22, 2010 2:37 AM    in reply to lester

Yada-yada, DeMint: YOU'RE unconstitutional. And on top of that a lying liar.

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March 21, 2010 11:30 PM   

Love that he says they could have "easily passed". How many years have they been fighting for health care reform??

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March 21, 2010 11:55 PM   

Yawn. His bill won't even get a vote in committee, let alone on the floor.

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March 22, 2010 2:38 AM    in reply to Icon

Sur it will -- as the "Impotent Republican Lying-Loser Grandstanding Act".

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March 22, 2010 12:08 AM   

If it was so easy and if they were so much in support of reform why didn't DeMint and his Republicans pass all this meaningful, easy reform when they controled everyting?

Me thinks he doth protest too much!

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March 22, 2010 1:35 AM    in reply to LeeJo

Sorry to tell you, but, ummm, DeMint lies. There is NOT one thing he would have voted for as far as health care legislation was concerned. Republicans in my patry controlled the House and the Senate not all that long ago, and they did squat on health reform. Our party has been a bunch of nay-sayers and they will pay a high price for continuing to reject the needs of the people of our country. And as far as unfunded projects, think of the Iraq war that they conducted totally off budget. Where was their outrage then? I am NOT leaving the party of my youth. I intend to stick around and foment for some change that considers the good of the people in legislation, for a change. It would be a welcome change from war industrial complex unfettered spending and the insiders that benifited so much by the G. W. administration and its war mongering!

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March 22, 2010 5:42 AM    in reply to mJJ

Good for you. We could use a 2-party (or more) system comprised of honest people on both sides.
Right now, even the Democrats have their share of dogs and could obviously use a house-cleaning, but the Republicans have been 100% hijacked by the insane and morally profane. They desperately need a full make-over.

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March 22, 2010 12:22 AM   

Dear South,

We are hereby terminating our relationship with you.

Please turn in all keys in your possession. Clean out your locker before the end of business Monday. We will mail your last paycheck to you.

We apologize for any inconvenience the last 145 years may have caused you. This is not an admission that the outcome of the Civil War was wrong. It is an admission that the outcome of the Civil War hasn't done us a fat lot of good.

If you have any questions, please consult a history book.

Sincerely,
The North

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March 22, 2010 1:07 AM    in reply to John

Be careful what you wish for.

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March 22, 2010 2:11 AM    in reply to GOPinNYC

Oh come on, the North would kick the shit out of the South any day. We got all the nuclear codes, remember?

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March 22, 2010 2:41 AM    in reply to GOPinNYC

Another impotent threat from the America-haters.

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March 22, 2010 12:41 PM    in reply to JNagarya

I don't hate America. I'm just no longer in love with her.

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March 22, 2010 10:18 PM    in reply to GOPinNYC

I love the Constitution, which is a system of laws. And which system of laws is The United States of America.

You substitute therefor 24/7/365 politics; that gives you the largesse to claim rights which cannot exist under any circumstances.

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March 22, 2010 2:53 AM    in reply to GOPinNYC

Exactly, getting your asses kicked again would be too fun for us & Waterloo 2 for you. Go for it though, today proved miracles can happen, again.

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March 22, 2010 1:44 PM    in reply to Leftflank

Though the North won I don't think anyone can argue the North kicked the South's ass. The North suffered more KIA, over all dead and wounded. It has been years since I've read up on Civil War but I do believe the South won most of the 10,455 military actions.

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March 22, 2010 10:46 AM    in reply to GOPinNYC

The North doesn't really have a lot to lose by kicking out the South. Based strictly on a consideration of the economics, it's the South who would lose out most by leaving the Union.

The North resides quite a bit higher on the value-added chain than the South, and a nation's position on the value-added chain is strongly correlated with GDP per capita, arguably the greatest benchmark of domestic prosperity.

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March 22, 2010 5:43 AM    in reply to John

But not a Texas history book, of course.

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March 22, 2010 12:31 AM   

So much for Obama's Waterloo.

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March 22, 2010 12:36 AM   

Too dumb to know when he's beat.

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March 22, 2010 12:47 AM   

he is broken. waterloo! waterloo! waterloo! waterloo!

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March 22, 2010 12:55 AM   

Hey, Jim. This is YOUR Waterloo. Or Appomattox -- whatever you prefer.

You've been willing to sacrifice anything to prevent this big victory for our first black president. I hope soon you'll find out you've sacrificed everything.

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March 22, 2010 12:59 AM   

A fixed delusion is an amazing thing to witness.

DeMint obviously still thinks he is presidential timber. Little does he know that when he looks in the mirror every morning it is not a future president reflected in that piece of glass but nothing more than a little troll-like human with a South Carolina accent to his squeaky little voice.

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March 22, 2010 5:48 AM    in reply to Dark Hawk

DeMint's presidential hopes went timber.

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March 22, 2010 1:28 AM   

"Americans told Washington to keep its hands off their health care..at the ballot box."

Actually, Obama said during the presidential campaign that he wanted a public plan, and McCain said he wanted to tax everyone's health benefits.

Unless Jim DeMint (R-SC) is implying that Scott Brown's MA Senate race was more important than the presidential race.

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March 22, 2010 1:41 AM   

Hey DeMint, didn't you say this would be Obama's Waterloo? You were right. Meet Barack "Wellington" Obama. http://www.celticfringe.net/images/obama-wellington.jpg

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March 22, 2010 1:52 AM   

Bye, Bye Waterloo boy, obviously didn't take history in school.

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March 22, 2010 1:53 AM   

OK.. someone explain to me--if its unconstitutional, why must it be repealed? wouldn't the courts take care of it?

Can we rename him to Dim DeMent?

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March 22, 2010 1:54 AM   

I always hear the theme from "Deliverance," when I hear his named mentioned.

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March 22, 2010 2:01 AM   

I always hear the theme from "Deliverance," when I hear his named mentioned.

Except this time, he's the one who has to bend over and squeal like a pig.

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March 22, 2010 2:03 AM   

Let's take another look at the trillion-dollar argument. Basically, it amounts to saying that you can't save money if you spend money (literally made by FNC clowns).

Lessee... Suppose you and I both need a new car. I go to my nearest car dealership and buy a base version of a $20000 car. You do your research, a bit of negotiation and buy the same model car with an extra optional package from another dealer for $18000. Then you boast to our mutual friends that you saved $2000 AND got a better car. My defense? How could you possibly have saved $2000 if you just spent $18000?!! You can't be saving money if you are spending much more money. And your car has all these distracting extra features that will cause you to get into an accident!

OK, not a perfect analogy--I can't accuse you of trashing, shredding and burning the Constitution just because you bought a better car. Well, if I am Tom Delay, I can!

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March 22, 2010 2:05 AM   

Except this time, he's the one who has to bend over and squeal like a pig.

Er... Peter? Doesn't he always have to do that because he enjoys it so much?

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March 22, 2010 2:15 AM   

Does anybody know what legal challanges states like Virginia(Cucenelli) are alleging against HRC? Are they challanging the procedures used? Are they substantive / constitutional challanges?

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March 22, 2010 2:44 AM    in reply to PepperoniToni

Yes: that Barak Obama is President while being black.

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March 22, 2010 7:33 AM    in reply to PepperoniToni

Executive Summary: I think they're full of sh1t.

Discussion:

The one I hear trotted out most often (though I can't say this is the core of the Cucenelli argument) is the 10th Amendment, which says,

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I guess their argument is that the federal government is not given express power in the Constitution to force citizens into "soft" social-contract types of things like health care systems, because the Constitution speaks mainly to things like speech, guns, privacy, yada, yada.

However, though I'm nothing more than a trained analyst of language construction by schooling and work experience, and am neither a lawyer nor one who studied legal ramifications of the Constitution, you can take the following opinion with a grain of salt:

I believe that the Preamble, while not something that spells out specific powers or restrictions on power, does set out the framework by which the entire Constitution can (should?) be interpreted. The entire preamble follows...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America [empasis added mine, duh].

See, neo thinkers tend to only look at the stuff covered through the preamble and Constitution-proper in all the areas in the preamble surrounding that troubling clause I highlighted. It's troubling for them because they are social Darwinists — survival of the fittest, providing health care to chronically sick people dillutes/pollutes the gene-pool, yada, yada — and that clause in the Preamble just plain makes their heads explode. So they pretend it doesn't exist.

What the clause, "...promote the general Welfare..." means, to me, hinges on the word "welfare," right? Here's what it meant to the people in the late 18th century:

welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [

So. There it is. The "we the people" government are responsible for promoting either-or-all of "health, happiness or prosperity" of our fellow citizens. Meaning this is a responsibility of the federal government.

Their argument, again, as I understand it, is that they assert the federal government was not given power over, or responsibility for promoting/providing health care. According the the 10th Amendment, if this were true, then the responsibility falls only to the states (none of which are big enough to really compete against multi-national insurance or pharma corporations).

But there it is, right there in the very frame-setting language of the Constitution. It's the responsibility of the US government to promote the health, happiness and prosperity of its citizen-owners-government. We're supposed to take care of each other. In a way that gives equal access and equal protections under the law.

The neos are actually correct in crying "socialism" in some respects, and Texans want to remove Tom Jefferson from history books, because there it is, in the opening words that kick off the whole Constitution (and many suggest TJ, the heathen Deist, may have written that part): The preamble is really a sort-of social contract with the citizens/owners/government. We're supposed to take care of each other in all ways. Kind of what Marx (who was born after this document was written) proposed and gave it a bugga-bugga name.

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March 22, 2010 7:54 AM    in reply to TheRealFish

Sorry. The whole citation for "welfare" didn't paste properly (and, yes, please forgive the few rushed other typos...). The whole citation is "welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [

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March 22, 2010 7:57 AM    in reply to TheRealFish

Huh. Don't get it. It DID paste correctly but part was dumped when I posted. The word derivation that was dumped beyond the left bracket is "ME wel faren, to fare well] Source: AHD". Sheesh.

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March 22, 2010 11:06 AM    in reply to PepperoniToni

They have challenged the procedures used, but pretty much any lawsuit on matters of parliamentary procedure (such as following the House rules, Senate rules, etc.) is unlikely to hold up in court.

The courts really do not get into arbitrating procedural questions because rules are not laws and the Constitution explicitly gives each house the ability to decide its own rules of procedure. Consequently, there isn't any legal question to be made unless the rules themselves conflict with the Constitution or a statute.

Unless there is clear and unambiguous conflict between the rules and the Constitution (for example, if there is a rule that allows the expulsion of a member by simple majority instead of the 2/3 vote required by the Constitution), no court would decide for the plaintiff.

Ultimately, the arbitrator of the rules in the House is the Speaker, and if the House doesn't like how that Speaker is interpreting the rules it must elect a new Speaker. If it cannot do so, it follows that the House agrees the Speaker's interpretation of the rules.

It also follows that if the general population, which elects the Congress, does not like the procedures they will elect a new Congress that will adopt changes to them. That is the definition of representative government.

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March 22, 2010 2:18 AM   

Let Mr. Stepp play him off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeQucos9-M

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March 22, 2010 3:50 AM   

welcome to Waterloo, Mr. DeMint, YOUR Waterloo!

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March 22, 2010 7:23 AM   

What South Carolinians—and most other residents of the former Confederacy, for that matter—are so upset about is that they no longer have the right to buy and sell other human beings. It's particularly galling to them that an uppity black man is sitting in the Oval Office. All this blather about constitutionality is just cover for it; if they were serious, George W. Bush gave them ample opportunity to express their outrage over constitutional transgressions.

There's a reason South Carolina is known as the "Wingnutto State."

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March 22, 2010 8:24 AM   

WELCOME TO WATERLOO YOU STUPID PECKER WOOD!

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May 21, 2010 5:02 PM   

Let's take another look at the trillion-dollar argument. Basically, it amounts to saying that you can't save money if you spend money (literally made by FNC clowns).

Lessee... Suppose you and I both need a new car. I go to my nearest car dealership and buy a base version of a $20000 car. You do your research, a bit of negotiation and buy the same model car with an extra optional package from another dealer for $18000. Then you boast to our mutual friends that you saved $2000 AND got a better car. My defense? How could you possibly have saved $2000 if you just spent $18000?!! You can't be saving money if you are spending much more money. And your car has all these distracting extra features that will cause you to get into an accident!

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July 26, 2010 12:14 PM   

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August 19, 2010 11:36 AM   

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