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Hoyer Estimates Over 10 Lawmakers Have Been Threatened Since Health Care Vote (VIDEO)
Eric Lach | March 24, 2010, 3:49PM
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC)
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House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) told reporters he believed over 10 lawmakers have been threatened since they voted for the health care bill on Sunday.
Appearing before reporters alongside House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC), Hoyer expressed concern about the recent spat of incidents targeting lawmakers, and blamed the violent rhetoric surrounding the health care debate for creating a potentially dangerous atmosphere.
"When people start talking in the rhetoric of putting people on firing lines, that if they don't do something they will have physical harm done to them... or they put a target on their faces, with cross-hairs -- that activity aught to be unacceptable in our democracy," Hoyer said, making reference to a Sarah Palin Facebook post that uses cross-hairs to identify members of Congress who voted for health care reform.
Hoyer said "enough" members had complained of incidents to raise concerns, and stated that "Democracy cannot survive unless we have a civil society."
When a reporter asked if Hoyer felt members were really at risk, he responded: "Yes. We've had very serious incidents that have occurred over the last 48-72 hours."
Clyburn, for his part, added: "Many of us have very vivid lessons of history... I think all of us learned some great lessons in the sixties and seventies, and they're lessons none of us want to repeat."
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George C
March 24, 2010 4:10 PM
They have to be more aggressive than just whining about it. Maybe have the Homeland Security Committees hold hearings on whether the statements of Repubs are inciting people to violence.
A lot of their statements come awfully close to the "fighting words" exception to the First Amendment.
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tommyo
March 24, 2010 4:29 PM in reply to George C
Are the Democrats going to hold hearings while acts of violence continue? For Pete's sake assert yourselves and start arresting these thugs.
Where are the law enforcement agencies?
Why aren't the Democrats, starting with Obama, demanding that the GOP denounce and condemn these acts of terrorism?
When these teabagger goons started showing up at Presidential events with assault weapons the Obama administration did......NOTHING. Their weakness has only encouraged these bastards.
The administration owes it to the country to put a stop to this intimidation and thuggery before it gets any worse.
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JEP07
March 24, 2010 5:29 PM in reply to tommyo
"Are the Democrats going to hold hearings while acts of violence continue?"
How about some new hearings into this very issue? Make a media event out of it, even Fox would lap it up if they brought in some guilty bigots to question publicly.
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_jonny_5_
March 24, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to JEP07
Of course you Commitee Meetings would need to wrap up by what, 2pm is it?
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Dorn76
March 24, 2010 4:11 PM
Keep shining a light on this.
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Dorn76
March 24, 2010 4:16 PM in reply to Dorn76
These are not isolated incidents, nor are they unrelated to the rhetoric cowards like Palin and Rush are putting out there.
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mike from Arlington
March 24, 2010 4:12 PM
They should arrest Sarah Palin for instigating a riot and put her in jail.
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loria
March 24, 2010 4:22 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
Just take a look at the comments over at Palin's FB. These people have no issue with the crosshairs used to target Dems. They think Palin is their savior. It's a scary bunch. All that's needed now is a match and Palin, many from the GOP, Beck, Limbaugh and the Tea Partiers are more than happy to provide it.
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boo_lala
March 24, 2010 4:48 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
The FBI should at least pay her a visit and ask her to "clarify" what she meant by that graffic. They should request the rough drafts and any emails about the poster.
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smarish
March 24, 2010 4:48 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
She would make quite a target herself, standing out there in the Alaskan snow in jailhouse orange!
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Cal Gal
March 24, 2010 5:02 PM in reply to mike from Arlington
They should at least complain to Facebook and have her account terminated. You'd think they would have learned from that case where a Mom helped her daughter harass another girl who then committed suicide.
All of us on Facebook need to complain.
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rynato
March 24, 2010 4:12 PM
Teabaggers clearly are aiding and abetting these terrorists.
Throw them all in Gitmo.
Maybe the ACLU will save them, like they did Rush Limbaugh.
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JEP07
March 24, 2010 5:38 PM in reply to rynato
"Teabaggers clearly are aiding and abetting these terrorists."
No, lets be honest about what we are all really afraid of; that someone like Palin is going to turn some Teamob Branch Stupidians into terrorists with one of her treacherous incendiary remarks. We fear some of the teabaggers ARE terrorists, who will use false patriotism to justify their acts.
The Fox 'nuts are already justifying it with their constant provocative comments. And Palin seems to be literally taunting them. It is only a matter of time before one of her wingnuttiest worshipers does something violent, just to get her attention.
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zonk
March 24, 2010 5:52 PM in reply to JEP07
I can see it now...
Jon Voight upon being arrested: I just wanted to get Sarah Palin's attention.
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martingauthier
March 24, 2010 4:12 PM
That Janet Napolitano is such an idiot.....oh, wait....
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rynato
March 24, 2010 4:19 PM
Clearly all of these were instances of liberal plants trying to make teabaggers look bad.
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Wahrheit
March 24, 2010 4:57 PM in reply to rynato
That is only clear in their fevered imaginations. I suspect any minute now we will have some Teabagger screaming about the Reichstag fire in 1933.
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mans_best_friend
March 24, 2010 4:22 PM
Inciting riots is still a crime, isn't it?
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ericf
March 24, 2010 4:27 PM
Somehow, we need to show our congressmen we have their back and they aren't standing out there alone. It might not hurt to check on local party and congressional offices. Maybe having people around would deter a vandal.
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Silence
March 24, 2010 4:33 PM
"A Republican aide also pointed out that over the years Republican members of Congress received their fair share of death threats during volatile times. Newt Gingrich after the 1994 Republican revolution and the late Henry Hyde during the Clinton impeachment in 1998 both received numerous death threats. And just last month, Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) received death threats after his filibuster of unemployment benefits, according to a report in Roll Call."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34953.html#ixzz0j7zWw82c
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loria
March 24, 2010 4:40 PM in reply to Silence
So, it's okay? That is about the most childish excuse there is. We don't tolerate it when our kids say, he did it first. Yet, somehow that's the excuse the GOP comes up with.
I have a question for you. Have you ever seen the Dems incite the nuts? I haven't. But, I did see the GOP in Congress do just that last weekend. They've stepped over the line. Further, people like Palin ought to get a visit from the FBI. You don't put Congressmen in crosshairs as a gag. You do it to incite. It seems she and others aren't going to be happy until something bad happens. I refuse to believe that Palin is simply naive and doesn't know what she's doing.
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mans_best_friend
March 24, 2010 4:44 PM in reply to loria
Isn't it interesting that moral relativism has suddenly become fashionable among these clowns?
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Silence
March 24, 2010 5:01 PM in reply to loria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqqtDdJ0ykY
Kenneth Gladney
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zonk
March 24, 2010 4:50 PM in reply to Silence
Who's defending that?
Beyond that -- who's whipping it up from the Democratic side.
No one denies there are deranged on both sides. The difference is that elected leaders (and media) on YOUR side of the aisle cheerlead these whack jobs and depend on their vote.
They speak at rallies with them, encourage them, use eliminationist language right at home with them.
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Doc Magnus
March 24, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to zonk
The other big difference is, the Democrats are trying to move policies that help families and individuals while the Republicans dupe these lunkheads into being the street muscle for the rich and powerful, then legitimize citizens acting like Euro-trash soccer thugs as "their voices not being heard."
GOP means and ends: Both bad.
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NegSpin
March 24, 2010 4:50 PM in reply to Silence
The "normal" response to death threats against any of our representatives -- Democrat or Republican -- would be to condemn them and prosecute. To say, "But they threatened US too" is beside the point. It should not be tolerated by either side. To me it'd be good to have our representatives act like statesmen and stand up for what is right.
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zonk
March 24, 2010 4:59 PM in reply to NegSpin
And it certainly shouldn't be excuse making nonsense about "this is what happens when tempers run high".
The GOP needs to grow up and grow up quickly.
I'm terribly sorry that acting like adults and making it clear "WE DO NOT WANT THIS KIND OF "HELP"" will cost them excitement and votes from their 'base' -- but being a legitimate member of a civilized society has its price.
In the 1960s, the Democrats had to make the tough choice to tell parts of their then 'base' -- take a hike.
The time has come for the GOP to do the same. Democrats made it clear that totalitarians like Bull Connor and the rest of the dixiecrats were not welcome or wanted.
The issue today is different, but the line needs to be the same: "If you cannot reasonably and peaceably voice your disagreement, your votes and support are not welcome."
It's time for the GOP to make a tough choice for a change.
Yes - it will cost them votes, but if they ever want to return to anything more than fury-inspired, fleeting relevance - it needs to happen.
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Silence
March 24, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to zonk
The GOP has very low poll numbers. No one would risk going to jail for the GOP. The 912 march was large and peaceful. It is not the TEA party.
I will say this. The image of that SEUI goon holding an Obama/Hitler sign at a town hall meeting last summer certainly causes one to question any of these "alleged" events.
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Doc Magnus
March 24, 2010 5:14 PM in reply to Silence
I don't question being across the table from an in-law who wants in all sincerity to reform immigration himself with a machine gun. Wonder where he stands on health care reform?
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zonk
March 24, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to Silence
I'm not talking about nuts being nuts.
Nuts of all stripes will always be nuts - and I'm perfectly fine with letting the authorities handle it.
The problem is that the GOP encourages them.
The problem is that the RNC is actively trying to co-opt the group. The problem is that conservative infrastructure (FreedomWorks, Fox) are actively playing a role in it.
I couldn't care less whether they're successful or not, nor could I care less whether these so-called 'patriots' "fall for it".
What I do care about --
By encouraging such nonsense... by lending aid to comfort about utter stupidity about "death panels", by making asinine comparisons between Nazism and "Health Care Reform", by twittering and facebooking alarmist idiocy about making "seniors and Downs syndrome babies stand before death panels", by using rhetoric about "eliminating" progressives, when someone spews nonsense about crashing a plane into an IRS building being wrong BUT....
By all these things, YOU and those you follow -- whether it's Beck, Palin, Boehner, or some combination and YOU personally -- YOU make it more acceptable for these nuts to act.
YOU make these whack jobs believe that maybe it IS time to take up arms. Maybe it IS time to lock and load. Maybe it IS time to blow up building and "refresh the tree of liberty with blood..."
Take responsibility for your own rhetoric. Take responsibility for the rhetoric of those you follow. Make your leaders take responsibility.
When someone blows up a building - and people die, that blood will be on your hands. A few fleeting "yeah buts" about not resorting to violence doesn't cut it.
When you lend some degree of "I can understand..." or "it's wrong BUT..." -- you legitimize the deranged. They think you're winking at them.
Take responsibility for how you present your arguments.
You have every right to your point of view and every right to make your case. You do NOT have the right to shout "fire!" in a crowded theater.... and when you insist the ridiculous - that's exactly what you're doing.
Do you believe in personal responsibility?
If you do - then take some yourself.
Take responsibility for the fact that there ARE whack jobs out there - and when you talk about 'tyranny' because a legislative vote didn't go your way - your responsibility is that a fringe element won't quite get the hyperbole.
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Artief
March 24, 2010 6:32 PM in reply to zonk
While encouraging and abetting the tea-party mentality is abhorrent from a moral perspective, politically speaking, this is the entire m.o. of the GOP, as this contingent is really all they have. But the wink and nod they give to these kinds of threats also sets a political trap for Dems. Some of the comments here have suggested the FBI investigate Palin, as well as other sensible law-enforcement measures, which sound reasonable and probably the right thing to do. But - and this is really no reason, morally and legally speaking, not to do it - we should be aware that this is what the GOP wants, as it would allow their movement to claim further victimhood and that the Dems are engaging in politburo-style crackdowns on their free speech, etc, etc. In other words, bankrupt of ideas and any wish to govern in the interests of most Americans, the GOP has poisoned the game, and are more than happy to either have the rest of us submit to a tea-party style revolution or bring on the Rapture. Scary stuff, however you look at it...
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human
March 24, 2010 5:46 PM in reply to Silence
The GOP has very low poll numbers. No one would risk going to jail for the GOP. The 912 march was large and peaceful. It is not the TEA party.
yes, it is you and your fellow teabaggers--it wasn't the GOP holding signs with pictures of guns on them outside the capitol, threatening violence and using racial slurs while pro-teabagging congressmen cheered them on from above.
This is the company you keep and the path you've chosen. Accept responsibility like an adult.
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Morbo
March 24, 2010 6:03 PM in reply to Silence
Get some help for your SEIU obsession, you sick fuck.
We've repeatedly heard your lamebrain excuse of how that one incident permanently inoculates anything you rightwing shitstains do against criticism.
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Doc Magnus
March 24, 2010 5:12 PM in reply to zonk
These reprobates are the children and grandchildren of the clods the Dems threw out in the 60s. If the GOP throws them out, their party splits in two and it's all over for them. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, and just plain damned all around.
Whatever happened to Everett Dirksen, Dwight D. Eisenhower, George Romney and the other sane and sober Republicans of days gone by? Tom Davis quit the House and I'm thinking Richard Lugar might not mind leaving the Senate soon.
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Lizskin
March 24, 2010 4:55 PM in reply to Silence
I think there is a fundamental difference here: Democratic lawmakers were not using violent rhetoric and images against their opponents, they were not comparing Gingrich, Hyde, or Bunning to Stalin, Hitler, or Satan in their public statements, nor did we see the kind of widespread, systematic attacks against Republicans that there have been in this case. There will always be idiots on every side of an argument willing to take things too far. The leaders of the Republican Party have encouraged feelings of fear and hatred among their followers, and have stayed silent or even applauded when things got out of hand (such as sympathizing with the guy who flew his airplane into the IRS building and thereby murdered an innocent man).
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Cal Gal
March 24, 2010 5:11 PM in reply to Lizskin
Well, to confess, I HAVE been comparing Dick Cheney to Darth Vader.
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zonk
March 24, 2010 5:31 PM in reply to Cal Gal
And you're some random commenter on a blog engaging in the same sort of silly hyperbole we all engage in from time to time on the internet. One could dig up old posts of mine from a baseball message board a few years ago insisting that Dusty Baker is the stupidest manager to ever live and ought to deported to the Dominican Republic to manage a T-ball team.
The minute Nancy Pelosi posts a "right on!" - it's on equal footing.
The minute you follow up a silly comparison with a suggestion that someone ought to lop Dick Cheney's head off with a ligthsaber - it's on equal footing.
We could all probably do a bit more to tone down the rhetoric - but the responsible individuals (and the responsible adults that hold elected office and media seats of influence) recognize when you've crossed the line from tart zingers into dangerous incitement.
The GOP and the conservative media are now straddling that line - and "yeah, buts" and "I'm sorry if anyone misinterpreted" are no longer acceptable.
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Cal Gal
March 24, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to Silence
And I SO remember John Edwards' Facebook page with Dim Son in the cross hairs.
Oh, wait.
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Douglas Watts
March 24, 2010 4:35 PM
It's obvious that stern letters must be sent, demanding a written response in 90 days, or if that is not possible, 180 days. And the letters should contain the word "scurrilous" but not really, because that is too aggressive. But there should be a word that suggests "scurrilous" without actually saying it. Perhaps a font change could send this impression to those impudent blackguards, not that we'd call them that, ever.
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tommyo
March 24, 2010 5:19 PM in reply to Douglas Watts
Leahy will get right on it...
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Ironcomments
March 24, 2010 4:46 PM
Where is the MSM on this? Oh right, that conservative meme of the "liberal mainstream media" is another outright lie to get the morons to follow and believe in their twisted sense of reality.
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Joe Monster
March 24, 2010 4:49 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, you are expected to defend yourselves. It sounds like a lot of these 'attacks' are cowardly brick throwers or people sneaking around in the dark.
But I want a Democratic Congressman to shoot somebody on his property when the opportunity arises, so these children may wake up and think before they act like they're the boss.
300,000,000 tough guys is too much.
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Mia Kulper
March 24, 2010 4:58 PM
Why do you think Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity all have plenty of bodyguards and security? They know, better than anyone else what kind of elements they're dealing with.
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tjobe
March 24, 2010 5:00 PM
Cry me a river. The House won't even enforce it's own rules on civility. ("You lie!", "Baby Killer!") What do they expect from others if there are no consequences for bad behavior among their own?
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Debra
March 24, 2010 5:10 PM
The most offensive thing about "Baby Killer" being called out on the floor of the House of Representatives is the last time I checked abortion was still legal in this country. The pro-choice caucus should demand a censure.
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Silence
March 24, 2010 5:17 PM in reply to Debra
Legal or not, abortion does extinguish a human life. So, the terminology used is accurate.
Sometimes, the truth hurts.
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Ann Arbor
March 24, 2010 5:37 PM in reply to Silence
That's debatable. (Not to set off 100 follow-up posts or anything...)
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jfwlucy
March 24, 2010 5:40 PM in reply to Silence
Nope. Prove to me that a clump of cells the size of my pinky nail is "human." It has no consciousness, no soul. To say it does is a matter of pure faith, which you cannot mandate that anyone believe.
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Silence
March 24, 2010 6:36 PM in reply to jfwlucy
Since when do socialists believe in souls? Govt is your God and politicians are your saints.
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human
March 24, 2010 5:42 PM in reply to Silence
your beloved fuckwit gooper moron wasn't making a general comment about abortion--which is debatable to begin with--but calling an opponent of abortion a "baby killer". So you're both stupid and violent, as well as making constant excuses for violent unhinged rightwing terrorists. Quite the company you keep there.
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Morbo
March 24, 2010 6:06 PM in reply to Silence
Fixed it for you, simpleton.
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UglyMoe
March 24, 2010 5:19 PM
Sarah's followers more closely resemble brown shirts with each passing day. What's next, midnight rallies and blood oaths?
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JEP07
March 24, 2010 5:43 PM in reply to UglyMoe
"What's next, midnight rallies and blood oaths?"
...never been on a moose hunt, have you?
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Mia Kulper
March 24, 2010 5:43 PM
The more these cretins show their true selves, the less American they look. That's what happened with the KKK; once America got a good look at them, the vast majority was repulsed despite any lingering prejudices they might have still held.
In the meantime, if some of these fools want to ruin their lives by doing stupid things on behalf of Dick Armey and his million-dollar lobbyists, our justice system will deal them appropriately.
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JEP07
March 24, 2010 5:47 PM in reply to Mia Kulper
Hey, they got their Dick Armey, we got the Weiner Army!
(sorry, things have been very serious around here today, just had to lighten it up a bit.)
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Silence
March 24, 2010 7:30 PM in reply to Mia Kulper
Yes. The American people did get a good look at the KKK.... and they were Democrats.
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zonk
March 24, 2010 8:07 PM in reply to Silence
Until JFK and LBJ told them to take a hike, sucked it up told 'em their votes weren't wanted, even if cost the Dems the South for generations to come.
Where, pray tell, did they end up?
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wacky dems
March 24, 2010 7:50 PM in reply to Mia Kulper
Don't worry about these poor oppressed things. I understand that have dispatched the pussy brigade to watch over these whinners. Only time will tell, if this is another fabricated story. It now appears that the Lewis story never happened. I'll bet this one will develop an odor, also. I am absolutely shocked that the democrats would fabricate a story. How can this possibly be? These have to be some of most honest people in the universe. I am sure you condemned the democratic, union thugs that beat up the black guy and used the "N" word, right.
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LibertytStake
March 24, 2010 8:32 PM
You can thank your Agitator-In-Chief, and his right hand gal Nanny Pelosi, for dragging the country to this brink.
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
[For a light hearted take on our present peril]
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Mia Kulper
March 24, 2010 9:42 PM in reply to LibertytStake
Yes, how dare they win elections! Then pass laws!! Democratically!!!
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Sailormarlowe
March 25, 2010 12:25 AM
Boo-hoo, poor widdle Congress: Afraid of Sarah Palin.
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Tosh
May 12, 2010 7:04 PM
And you're some random commenter on a blog engaging in the same sort of silly hyperbole we all engage in from time to time on the internet. One could dig up old posts of mine from a baseball message board a few years ago insisting that Dusty Baker is the stupidest manager to ever live and ought to deported to the Dominican Republic to manage a T-ball team.
The minute Nancy Pelosi posts a "right on!" - it's on equal footing.
The minute you follow up a silly comparison with a suggestion that someone ought to lop Dick Cheney's head off with a ligthsaber - it's on equal footing.
We could all probably do a bit more to tone down the rhetoric - but the responsible individuals (and the responsible adults that hold elected office and media seats of influence) recognize when you've crossed the line from tart zingers into dangerous incitement.
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