Virginian At Obama Rally: If Health Care Passes There Will Be Civil War (VIDEO)

Gosh, who could have foreseen this?

Virginia seems to be competing for land o' crazy status.

Mike Malloy, on his show this week, conjectured that we are at the end of the United States. Many other futurists have said the same. The country will break into segments with separate governance. Mike is fine with that. So am I. I am so sick of the 19th century ass-hat consciousness of my fellow citizens that I really do not want them in my country.

In the case of the bat-s*it lady in the clip, she seems to assume that folks in the Coastal and Northern areas would actually take up arms to KEEP THEM IN THE UNION. Go away!

Reasons for Civil War:

Repression of a populace by those in charge
Cruel treatment of citizens by those in charge
Unfair taxation to benefit those in charge
Malfeasance by those in charge

et cetera

Reasons NOT to have a Civil War:

Those in charge vote to give citizens an equal opportunity to get health care.

As a Virginian, I can say there are a lot of stupid people here. On the other hand, I feel really smart most of the time.

well isn't it convenient then that for this civil war we'll have something closer to universal health care. much less gang green and amputations

Good luck with that, morons.

Just remember that all the expensive toys we've given the bloated military for the last 60 years won't be on your side.

Where did she get the idea that 70% of Americans don't want health care reform? Ah, the dangers of watching Fox.

Let's see: Glenn Beck disciple predicts bloodshed if her demands aren't met. This is news?
Next, dog bites man. Stay tuned.

Yes, a civil war: our men in fatigues with guns fighting back the elderly and obese soldiers of OPERATION EXODUS!

Bring it on bitch. This is the same fight Western man has had to fight against the forces of religion, ignorance and superstition since the fall of Rome. No question we've regressed towards a kind of modern Dark Age as a result of these people and their willful ignorance. It took a black President to really set it off. We NEED a Civil War to set things right once and for all.

I recall another woman from a rally in 2008 claiming that once Obama got into office, he was going to pull out his turban - she was not joking. I wonder what she's thinking now.

I was wondering about the 70% figure too. I think she just pulled it out of her ass. And why is it that these folks get away with saying things that would be called treasonous if someone on the left said them. Like Barney above this comment. I'd consider that a threat, wouldn't you?

That crazy witch will be the first in line to get some of that awful gubment healthcare when it becomes law. Hypocrite liar fraud.

Bring it on ass-h***.

C

At some time in life or history people are always faced with cutting the cord to the past and what could have been or might have been but what never became. I think we Americans are faced with that situation right now. We tried to integrate the south into America. God knows we tried. It is time for America to cut the cord and let the South secede. Make sure they pay their share of the National Debt to us and let them form their own tyranny of the uneducated and fairytale believers without dragging the rest of us down with them.
I think we would all feel better about it and not one ounce of blood need be shed.

I've always wondered what would happen if all of the Conservative cranks, racists, Ayn Rand worshippers, and Neo-Confederates started their own country.

It wouldn't last five years without becoming a failed state. People need good government. Our founding fathers fought and died for good government, not the absence of government.

Let them start a country. Does anyone remember how Republican oasis Colorado Springs can no longer afford to maintain its streets and streetlights because of a lack of tax revenue? Or how Reagan's favorite city, San Diego, refuses to raise enough tax revenue to pay for its pension liabilities and services. Classic Republicanism: cut taxes, don't cut spending, and don't worry about the deficit. Let them start a country.

Actually, I was most interested in the idea she presented that this will cost a lot of money. Apparently when the CBO says it will cost 870 Billion over 10 years but there will be a reduction in the deficit of 112 Billion dollars she fails to understand that means the overall costs will be lower. Add to this lower overall cost the fact that an additional 30 million people will be covered so they will not go to the emergency room for every problem. This is where the cost savings are. Pay less and cover 30 million more people. Hey what a concept. Right, let's have a civil war over this benefit.

I know where you live, Barney.

Astroturf flashmob? This is not rocket science... The representative of the public in the video is potentially a consultant/billing manager for the Horizon Group, Ltd. (http://www.thehorizongroup.com/index.php) in Virginia Beach. The Horizon Group assists hospitals, medical practices, and health care organizations of all sizes in anticipating and meeting the challenges of the changing health business environment.

Her speak is free. Her motives? Not so much.

There's a reason why they call public utilities public utilities - they are used by the public, and useful to the public; they ARE the public who in one way or another paid for those services to be there. In normal times, the services will be there, someone will watch over them to ensure they get proper maintenance and upkeep and keep providing what they should. But these are not normal times. This, after all is the Republic Depression.

Look around the map; all the states must have a budget. Those with diminished revenue will have to reduce expenditures. Those with Republican governors will see this as a golden opportunity, not to collect revenue but rather to cut employees, programs, previously agreed to services, and go back to skin-and-bone government. That's what they've done in Arizona. That's what they've done in New Jersey, and there will be more in the next few months.

While Wall Street smiles, the nation burns. There never was a chance of reconciling with the Republicans in Washington; if you had any idea of what vitriol they spewed at each and every candidate running for president last year your hair would turn white. They don't view this as a contest, they see it as a war.

If they should lose, and I for one hope they do, they will get to pay the price next election, not the Democrats.

As bad as they can be sometimes, I'd rather be for public utility regulation, with the understanding that there actually would BE public utilities. My experience with the private sector leads me to conclude they are no better at managing than anyone else.

Used by the public, useful to the public. You'll never see a health insurance company dispensing antibiotics or checking your EKG results. So tell me, why do we need a bloated rapacious corporate pigpen to tell us how sick we are and how much they won't pay?

So just how is this "civil war", aka the Second War of Southern Treason, going to come about?
The Governors call out their respective National Guards? Then Congress and/or the President immediately calls them into Federal service. Checkmate on that point. Of course, there ARE all those military bases in those states, but I somehow doubt these reality-challenged types would actually know how to start a Abrams tank or a jet fighter, let alone operate one. And as most military members take their enlistment oath seriously, I know I did, these load-mouths really shouldn't count on the 82nd Abne or the Marines at Paris Island.
There were those who wanted to continue fighting a guerrilla war after the conclusion of the 1861-65 War of Southern Treason(Jefferson Davis among them), but Robert E. Lee and Joseph Johnston managed to prevent that. Still, if there are those who try it now the first question will be: what are your targets? The states won't have seceded, nor will they be "occupied" by Yankees in blue coats. So, who are the targets? How do you know if someone has signed up for health insurance? By their not dying?
I could on and on, but then I'm using my brain to think, as opposed to just flapping my gums, as Foghorn would say...

Thing is, these idiots are convinced they're a majority, the same way the Sunnis really, really believed they were the majority in Iraq because Saddam's propaganda ministry kept telling them so. So when they got their asses kicked after the first election, they naturally assumed it must have been due to fraud. Like these idiots.

And so when the Sunnis started their civil war against minority tyranny, they quickly discovered they were outgunned, outnumbered and badly infiltrated by crazy people. Like these people.

Bring it, lady.

Bitter dried up old hag who has Medicare & Social Security.

More Sherman, less McClellan!

Look. Let them field a bunch of troops. How long do you think they'll stay in the field with no pay and no food? To get those, the states will have to raise taxes! Think they can sell that to the Southern taxpayers?

Not a chance in Hell.

Besides, what are they going to use for money if the federal reserve embargoes their banks? Cancel all credit and debit cards in the states that rebel. Don't provide check cashing to those banks. Have the NSA hack their computers. Cut off shipments of gasoline and diesel. They wouldn't last a week. No combat required.

That woman lives in loony toons land.

As far as I can tell, the way this works is that you have to show proof that you have health insurance, or you have to pay 5% of your AGI as a penalty. But Crazy Lady probably has insurance. So what's her act of civil disobedience going to be, say she isn't insured even though she is?

Or she could buy insurance but refuse the subsidy. That would show Obama and Pelosi.

Still not getting how this mass resistance is supposed to manifest itself.

That "hopey-changey" stuff is starting to look pretty good right about now.

Let them secede ! !
We can even let those "real Americans" [Sarah Palin's Tea Partiers] have their confederate flag.

Seriously, as a New Englander I'd be only too thrilled if those parasites seceded from the Union.

Please, lady. Talk about civil war. Call Obama a fascist, a socialist AND a communist. Promise to assassinate him personally. The crazier you talk now, the bigger the backlash is going to be.

I'm a Generation-X'er, born just after the 1960's ended. What did school and my own reading teach me about political activism? That it was a waste-of-freakin' time. You marched, you signed petitions, you pulled off beautifully surreal street theater protests, and all you accomplished was Richard Nixon's re-election. Late 1980s stereotypes of liberals as humorless, puritan scolds reinforced this effect.

Conservatives aren't just about to get defeated. They're in the process of being proved wrong on the most fundamental levels. Even Fox News won't be able to change that tide in the zeitgeist. What effect is THAT going to have on the next generation of right-wing-minded folks?

I call bullshit. Does anyone really believe that these fried food eating junkies aren't totally blowing smoke. They want to fight their Federally funded & beloved military with hand guns & duck blinds, yeah right. And they're going to take their own medi-care away, un huh. They won't even be able to get Faux news, Oh noes. How about their borders, that's a really big mess. Evangelists will go where, tea-baggers don't get Boston & they expect the uber-rich to actually consort with the likes of them? Good luck hicks.
It's junior-high bullshit, bullying & bluffing. Maybe they should hold their breath & stomp their feet, that works sometimes.
I gotta threat for them, keep threatening the President & our government & you'll get a real taste of government intervention. Y'all have fun now, ya hear.

i have not read any of the comments above, so pardon if I am repeating. These people who say things like this are merely one aspect of our culture. This woman obviously has not talked to many in her own state because I am sure she would find that 70% is ridiculous but not only that but almost half of her state from a voting perspective disagrees with her. Plus I think you ight find that the GOP would be the first chicken-hawks to back away from civil war talk.

Just by the way, Virginia appears to receive from the federal government about $1.50 for every dollar of taxes they pay. In 2005 the difference was 35 billion dollars. If Virginia cared to return that money, over the next decade that alone could pay for one third of the cost of the new health care plan.

Virginians talk a good game about independence, but they are one of the top ten freeloading states in the country.

These tea-baggers, like most cowards, seem to threaten a lot, but never actually take action. You saw similar behavior with the cheerleaders of Bush's two wars. Like Bush, they couldn't get enough blood and guts, except when their blood and guts could have been on the line.

Let's call their bluff. Let's take out a few of the brave cowards after HCR is passed.

I say let 'em go. Most of them receive more in federal funding than they pay in taxes anyway.

People liker her love to hate the "thems" of the world, and the more vague and indistinct her enemies are, the better she feels. How anyone can have watched the middle class be dismantled over the the last thirty years and come to the conclusion that it's the "government's" fault is incomprehensible.

I was there as a volunteer. There were a few nut cases like this one but mostly pro-hcr at the rally. We have a scary contingent here in VA, who successfully elected the most right wing set of pols last November to our state gov, ag, and legislature because no progressives showed up at the polls. Watch out America: Virginia can happen to you too--they've already started with revoking civil rights/discrimination protections and are headed for an all out war with LGBTQ community. we all know abortion will be the next to go in the Old Dominion. Don't be lazy--support your Democratic rep/Sen/gov. We need to stop these kooks!

We have swallowed the disastrous eight-year Bush administration with patience and grace and this woman is threatening a civil war?

Moved from lower AL about 5 months ago. Spent 10 days looking for a house in VA, our 1st choice but could not believe all the white trash and illegals that live on both sides of Interstate 95, from northern VA all the way south. Way worse than AL.

people who are bankrupt and broke are gonna get it subsidized. she's talking out of her pie hole

YeaaaHAAAWWWW Unca Jaid! Fargget thet it wassa W. thet sent us inta 2 of them thar far-reen wars n' bee-ailed out his Wee-ahlll Street buddies n' given them thar tax bree-awks to his zillyunnar freeunds.

THIS? Givin' blee-acks n' Mex'kins n' folks like THAT halth car? Shiiiiiiieee... time to start'a fightin', folks! Less awl stee-art a THIRD WAR we cain't affard n' in the Holy Name of Jeebiz!

You see, their irrational fear of Obama, other than the visceral mind-fucking they got at seeing a Black Man in the White House, is based upon their projection of Bush's reality onto their Obama fantasy. They fear that Obama will wield the power that Bush claimed he had a right to use by virtue of being President in a time of war. My God! An alien, Muslim, Black Man having and using that sort of power. Kinda' uppity dontcha know.

This is not about health care. This is not about health care. Say it with me: "This is not about health care."

On the night of November 4, 2008 these peoples' heads exploded and the Right's Ellsworth Tooheys are going to keep poking the wound in their listener-viewer minds until there is blood shed. They probe their acolytes' minds with their ClearChannelFoxNews electrodes and elicit irrational, unthinking, involuntary responses. Their faithful are drawn to nihilistic fantasies like moths to the flame because only in their self-fulfilling apocalypse will their view of the world be fully realized.

May God Save the Union and President Lincoln. ;)
http://civilwar.org/education/history/on-the-homefront/culture/music/may-god-save-the-union/may-god-save-the-union.html

Are they willing to have anothe civil war? Bring it on says I!

One of the reasons we had the long, bloody conflict we did in the 1860's is because nobody stood up to the bellicose forces defending slavery. If we stand up to them now and say "okay, let's do it" they will back down just as Hitler would have if France and the allies had challenged his occupation of the Rhineland. They are nothing but bullies, but as long as Obama and the Dems refuse to stand up to them and let them have it they will keep escalating their behavior until it reaches open violence.

Anyone really think this is about health insurance reform? These nuts are still fighting the last civil war and a successful Black President is all it takes to make them cross the line.

A civil war over HEALTH CARE?! So they would be willing to shed blood over the federal government trying to care for it's own citizens? I don't get it. It's not really about health care at all, it's about paranoid beliefs and hyperbole.

And where does anyone get this idea that "70%" of the US is opposed to HCR? I'm guessing about 25 of those percentage points are liberals who think the bill doesn't go far enough, and those liberals won't be interested in defying the federal government over this bill, like she's trying to portray.

Hey, if Virginia doesn't want to comply, allow them an out, and see where it gets them-- eventually they'll come around with their tails between their legs.

This is what the world sees when they wonder what is wrong with the US. People threatening civil war because we are going to try and act like every other industrialized country and take care of our citizens? And mikerva, it's not just one inbred idiot spewing this kind of crap, it's Republicans writ large. Witness the fact there is no centrist element in the Rethug party to pull back on the crazy train any longer. And this poor woman complains the country is bankrupt. Too bad the interviewer didn't ask her how it got that way. Then again she may have been packing heat ready for the civil war! Moron. All these Republican tea baggers are nothing but a bunch of boot licking choads.

The name of the new country created by these bitter people ... Dumfukistan!

The TeeVee still loves the Looney Tunes.

I'm still waiting for how the "south" is responsible for this insurrection... IDAHO leads the front on this. Google a map of the US to see how far south Idaho is if you need some help.
By the way, I live in Richmond and do not know of anyone who shares this lady's thoughts on reaction to the bill. However, I do find it ironic that the same group that gets so upset over "stereotypes and generalizations", is the same group takes one person's comments and extends it to 25% of the country. I am truly amazed at the blatant hypocrisy of your party. By the way, being labeled as a racist because you disagree with the government is getting pretty tiresome. Maybe that's just the best you can come up with; so maybe you're the ones making it race issue.

CHECK MSNBC YOU FUCKING IDIOTS. 64% DONT WANT!!!http://politics.newsvine.com/_question/2010/03/21/4048693-the-house-has-passed-an-historic-health-care-overhaul-are-you-excited-or-angry
linky stinky!

wait my bad make that 67% so it is pretty close to 70.. and that is from your super-favorite-retard channel!