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Man Arrested For Threatening Pelosi Over Health Care Bill
Justin Elliott | April 7, 2010, 4:09PM
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The AP is reporting that the FBI has arrested a California man for making threatening phone calls to Nancy Pelosi over the health care bill.
In an interview with TPM, FBI spokeswoman Patty Hanson confirmed that a man, Gregory Guisti, 48, would be charged in federal court in San Francisco Thursday at 9:30 PT. Magistrate Judge Bernard Zimmerman will preside over the hearing, during which Guisti will be formally charged.
The AP has more details:
Several federal officials say the man made dozens of calls to Pelosi's homes in California and Washington, as well as to her husband's business office, reciting her home address and saying if she wanted to see it again, she would not support the health care overhaul bill that was recently enacted.
"The FBI takes threats against elected officials very seriously," Hanson said.
The charges against Guisti, who was arrested today, will be unsealed Thursday.
A spokesperson with Pelosi's office tells TPM it has no comment at this time.
The report comes just a day after authorities in Washington state announced charges against a man there for making death threats against Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) over her support for the health care bill.
In the days surrounding the passage of the health care legislation in the House late last month, multiple threats and vandal attacks were made against Democrats around the country.
In a separate case, a Philadelphia man, who was declared mentally unfit to stand trial this week, was charged March 29 with threatening to kill Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA).
Late Update: Here is Pelosi's brief statement on the case.
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Atomist
April 7, 2010 4:21 PM
Bloggers have also said nasty things about Republican members of Congress.
So there's terrorism on both sides.
[snark-o-rama]
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mass_murdock
April 7, 2010 4:22 PM in reply to Atomist
7/10, not bad.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 4:29 PM in reply to Atomist
You must work for CNN.
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rbeats
April 7, 2010 4:59 PM in reply to expat46
CNN: "Lets see what people on Twitter are saying, 2bIggyBallzer says: liberal elitests and their education will bring socialzed welfare to undermine republic of united sttts."
And UgizmeLuvz says Obama just wants wuts bestz for cuntry plz be resptible"
We will be right back after 7 more minutes of commercial and bring you more thoughts from around the globe on Twitter.
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rbeats
April 7, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to rbeats
...and were back, it appears Sarah Palin has a new comment on her twitter account
CNN senior Twitter Correspondent: "Sarah Palin has sent this tweet to us 'like Pandora, and Zeus, who traveled through the woods, in the war against British, Obama is no Maverick, GodblessUSA, and save Constitution'
CNN senior Twitter Correspondent: Back to you...
We now go to our panel to discuss for 11 minutes the Sarah Palin tweet, and the possibility of Tiger Woods winning the Masters, will you watch the masters on your new iPad?
CNN Senior Panel Discussion Person: "Sarah Palin has apparently thrown down a challenge to President Obama's foreign policy think she has a chance to win in 2012?"
CNN Viewer: Walks to cabinet pulls out bottle of scotch, and a hand gun, places gun up to temple, and contemplates...
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WaitWut?
April 7, 2010 5:21 PM in reply to rbeats
CNN Viewer: Walks to cabinet pulls out bottle of scotch, and a hand gun, places gun up to temple, and contemplates...
...thinks of his family and begins to pull the trigger when his 5 year old daughter walks in and says "Why are you watching this crap?" and switches to Rachel Maddow.
CNN Viewer collapses in tears and thanks whatever Gods there are that his daughter is receiving an liberal-elitist education.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 5:24 PM in reply to rbeats
LOL... The only thing that kept that CNN viewer from pulling the trigger was switching over to Fox in time to catch the teaser for the Spring Break story they're doing.
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AhTrini1
April 7, 2010 7:50 PM in reply to rbeats
ROTFLMBAO!
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Hannalee
April 7, 2010 4:42 PM in reply to Atomist
Bullshit. Oh, I'm so tired of that both sides bullshit. It's worse than family counseling.
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bobosqueakers
April 7, 2010 4:52 PM in reply to Hannalee
DITTO.
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_jonny_5_
April 7, 2010 4:46 PM in reply to Atomist
The RNC did want to put her in the "Firing Line".
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 5:34 PM in reply to Atomist
"Saying nasty things" is an abstract generalization with no substantiation. Which leads the reader to conclude that you're making shit up because you are properly on the defensive.
By contrast, DEATH THREATS by RIGHT-WINGERS against DEMOCRATS are SUBSTANTIATED.
Here's some basic ethics:
Two wrongs don't make a right. In other words, ACTUAL threats against DEMOCRATS are not right; but so would ACTUAL THREATS against REPUBLICANS be wrong.
So your effort to lie a false equivalency into being is not only irrational and dishonest, and irresponsible, it is a horseshit effort to change the subject.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 5:40 PM in reply to JNagarya
J, I think you missed his disclaimer. We're short on trolls today so Atomist is doing a little role play to keep us sharp.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 7:53 PM in reply to JNagarya
Actually the threats would logicaly be considered substantiated when and if a conviction occurs, but if we are going to pretend that charges, arrests and accusations alone are enough...
"Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35152.html
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expat46
April 7, 2010 8:07 PM in reply to Steve
Oh boy, I like this game. A judge declared Leboon unfit to stand trial and ordered that he undergo pshyciatric evaluation. The guy who threatened Pelosi did it because he was opposed to the HCR bill.
Do you have anymore false equivalencies?
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Steve
April 7, 2010 9:11 PM in reply to expat46
I haven't stated any false equivelancies so it would be impossible to state "more". Do you have anything remotely relevant? The motivation wasn't the issue, only whether there was actually a threat and whether it was substantiated.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 10:19 PM in reply to Steve
In refutation of your fake objectivity, this is the relevant formulation based upon your criteria:
Question:
How many Leftists have been arrested for making death threats against Republicans?
Answer: ZERO.
Question:
How many Republicans/right-wingers have been arrested for making death threats against Democrats?
Answer: TWO -- that we know of.
In addition, as were Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, "Hutaree" and the "sovereign citizen" loons are RIGHT-wingers.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 10:47 PM in reply to JNagarya
I'm not aware of any authoratative source that says that anyone who was arrested for making threats was a "Right-Winger" or a "Republican" or that they were not a "left winger" or "democrat", so, in addition to not being able to comprehend your own argument it appears that you are prone to baseless assumptions.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 11:22 PM in reply to Steve
The talking points -- LIES -- are those spewed by hate-radio and FOX. Hate-radio and FOX are far-RIGHT lunatic fringe, which cater to Republicans, not to Democrats.
That identifies the political affiliation of BOTH those who threatend Murray and Pelosi.
The only Republican threatned? Cantor -- by a person too deranged to stand trial. And that person threatend people in both parties.
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Steve
April 8, 2010 12:01 AM in reply to JNagarya
Calm down your foaming at the mouth. You're gonna drool on yourself. LOL Air America was 'hate' radio for the left. Of course it never did anything but bleed red ink because it had no market share. Because, and pay attention here, the left is the real fringe and there simply aren't enough of you to provide an audience. A 'finge' by definition cannot support an advertising driven medium like talk radio. If there were, left wing radio programs would proliferate. They don't because practicaly nobody listens to them and they can't draw advertising revenue. There's no great conspiracy, just simple economics and for Air America that ended in a Chapter 7. That's chapter 7 as in gone, bye bye, liquidated. It doesn't help your cause that as soon as democrats get any real political power they promptly implode in about half the time it takes the GOP to go off the rails. Spending virtually all available political capital on a half baked health care plan that doesn't even really make the political base happy, and infuriates independents and the GOP base including the elderly who turn out in droves to vote in mid terms would be an example of how to achieve that implosion.
That said you still have nothing but speculation and assumption with regard to the affiliation of any of those arrested and rambling off onto a tangent about FOX etc won't change it. I'm bored now so I'll leave you to preach the the choir.
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AJM
April 8, 2010 12:14 AM in reply to Steve
You get the talk radio shows. We get the Presidency. Works for me.
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rbe1
April 8, 2010 3:45 AM in reply to Steve
Good ramble. Not too many points for accuracy, however.
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margoharris
April 8, 2010 3:16 PM in reply to Steve
LOL, Air America, hate radio.LOL You got to be kidding, you are a moron.
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meyek
April 8, 2010 8:35 AM in reply to Steve
"The motivation wasn't the issue, only whether there was actually a threat and whether it was substantiated." nope. you are the one who called it on the dems. if you are the rnc chairman and i mug you as you are walking down the street, that is a common criminal act. if i call for your assassination as rnc chairman, based on gop policies, it is a very different crime, and the motivation DOES matter.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 9:07 PM in reply to Steve
I already distinguished the process, as initiated by Republicans:
Republicans drive people crazy; crazy people threaten both Republicans and Democrats; right-wingers threaten Democrats; Republicans drive people crazy.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 10:51 PM in reply to JNagarya
No, you're simply trying to distract from the plain and obvious fact that your original assertion was incorrect. It isn't working. Nor is it going to.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 11:25 PM in reply to Steve
Number of Democrats receiving politically-motivated death threats? At least twelve -- from admitted RIGHT-wingers.
Number of Republicans receiving politically-motivated death threats? Z-E-R-O.
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Steve
April 8, 2010 12:05 AM in reply to JNagarya
I see you've produced your usual evidence in support of the assertion that those arrested were "Right Wingers" i.e. absolutely none at all.
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JNagarya
April 8, 2010 2:14 AM in reply to Steve
The evidence is the talking points/lies that came out of their own mouths. Both spew Republican/Right wing falsehoods as their "reasons" for their death threats.
That stamps them as being Republican/right wing.
You're also conveniently forgetting the 10 or so Democratic Congressmen who received death threats -- those being verified by the Capitol Police.
Number of Democrats arrested for making death threats?
NONE.
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JNagarya
April 8, 2010 4:41 PM in reply to Steve
The elderly mother of Gregory Giusti, the man who is charged with making threats against Speaker Nancy Pelosi, is partially blaming Fox News for radicalizing her son.
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As said:
The talking points/LIES spewed by the two individuals who made death threats against Democrats Murray and Pelosi are directly tracable to Republicans/REICH-wing hate-radio/FOX.
So again, America-hating LIAR -- lying is IMmoral --
Number of Democrats threatened with death by Republicans/REICH-wingers:
At least 12.
Number of Republicans threatened with death by Leftists/Democrats:
0.
Number of Republicans threatened with death by the deranged:
1.
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xargaw
April 7, 2010 9:35 PM in reply to Steve
Actually, the guy is mentally ill and has been deemed not well enough to stand trial.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 9:47 PM in reply to xargaw
Which is relevant to......well.....nothing.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 10:24 PM in reply to Steve
He isn't affiliated with any political party. His threasts wer against members of both parties.
Those who made death threats against the Murray in WA state, and House Spearker Pelosi, are admittedly far-right lunatic fringe opponents of the lied-about health care/insurance reform law.
As a troll you're overpaid even if only told what to say.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 11:00 PM in reply to JNagarya
Your speculation with regard to the political affiliation of any of those arrested is irrelevant, and without basis other than your own assumptions. Your paranoia regarding paid posters can probably be helped with some sort of medication.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 11:27 PM in reply to Steve
I'm not basing the statement of the facts on assumptions. It is based upon the talking-points/LIES directly traceable to the Republican party, hate-radion, and FOX.
Number of REIGHHHT-wingers makingpolitically-motivate ddeath threats against Democrats?
At least twelve.
Against Republicans?
Z-E-R-O.
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AJM
April 8, 2010 12:16 AM in reply to Steve
If it walks like a tea bagger, talks like a tea bagger and acts on the tea baggers worst ravings it's right wing. Oh, and lame.
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rbe1
April 8, 2010 3:50 AM in reply to Steve
Folks like you always gave us a good laugh in the schoolyard because you were so good at taunting and not too good at anything else. However, your rant does provide a good working example of what a lot of us have come to loathe: people who just want to get someone's goat instead of having a real discussion. You really should try another venue.
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meyek
April 8, 2010 8:16 AM in reply to Steve
actually the threats are substantiated, the question being whether the incidents were merely despicable or illegal.
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margoharris
April 8, 2010 3:13 PM in reply to Steve
This guy is a mental case that threatened everybody on both sides. The Judge ordered him to the nut house!
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barth
April 7, 2010 6:03 PM in reply to Atomist
Really? People on the left have suggested that those who vote for, say, continued funding for the war in Iraq, would never again see their homes?
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barth
April 7, 2010 6:05 PM in reply to barth
OK. Missed the snark note. The response stands for those who believe otherwise.
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Atomist
April 7, 2010 6:30 PM in reply to barth
Hey, somebody's gotta do the False Equivalency Two Step.
And don't forget that when Karl Rove was ten years old a girl beat him up because he had a Goldwater for President sticker on his bicycle.
And Bill Ayers was in the Weathermen only 30 years ago.
And Robert Byrd was in the Klan only 50 years ago.
So don't tell me liberalz aren't terrorists!
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Jaycal
April 7, 2010 6:37 PM in reply to Atomist
Since when did the party of Ronald Regan, John Wayne and the NRA lose it's manhood to the point of equating "threatening" little girls to terrorists?
You and all your friends are invited to the next Democratic Red Meat and Tofu BBQ to regain some of your intestinal fortitude.
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Eric Arthur Blair
April 7, 2010 9:33 PM in reply to Jaycal
You misspelled Ronald Reagan's name. It's "R-a-y-g-u-n" (sometimes "R-a-y-g-u-n-z").
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 10:26 PM in reply to Jaycal
It's because they're terrified of women, even when it will be decades before the terrifying little girl will be a woman.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 11:02 PM in reply to JNagarya
Random and baseless statements such as this one are almost always a projection of one's own mindset. I suspect this instance is no exception.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 11:30 PM in reply to Steve
You're projecting your own projections, Mr. Magic Mind.
MEanwhile, back at real reality:
How many Democrats have received politically-motivated death threats from the Republican FAR-RIGHT?
At least twelve.
Republicans receiving politically-motivated death threats from the Left?
Z-E-R-O.
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robbury
April 7, 2010 6:50 PM in reply to Atomist
Terrorists on both sides. Hmmm. Well then, I guess that makes everything pretty darned good, huh?
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TheRealFish
April 7, 2010 8:54 PM in reply to Atomist
Oh, yes, it's true. There have been liberal flare-ups. The Revolution was one. WWII was another. Then in the 60s, folks got a little testy about a Democratic president president lying us into a pointless war, where the meat grinder of the draft affected way more than the 10% or so who do all our fighting now. They did illegal things in their protests.
And that last episode (Ayers and all) was 40 frickin years ago. And the episodes of liberal flare-ups pop up maybe every 40-50 years. And nobody, Ayers included, threatened the life of a single elected official.
Conservative anti-democracy efforts pop-up maybe every 20 years, and always simmers just below the surface. And they almost always threaten governmental representatives' lives or, at least, livelihoods (McCarthy, John Birchers, KKK, Michigan Militia a la Terry Nichols, and on and on).
That the dog-whistle language of any Democrat being a Nazi (know what they deserve, Right) has been used ever since the McCain/Palin rallies, and daily on Fox since Obama's inauguration is without question or challenge. And the nature of that language has only one intent: Irrational fear leading to violence.
Name one leftie encouraging hangings (like that Repug representative saying that's what she wanted to do to her Democratic opposite number at the town hall meeting) or any other direct act of violence to solve the policy differences.
I admit I say some very unkind things about these uber-conservatives, because I see them (you?) stirring the pot toward armed civil war. That irks me. However, unless you shoot at me first, my proposed action is to do everything possible within the law to ensure these uber-conservatives never hold power over this country again. Enough damage has been done for at least the next half century.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 9:16 PM in reply to TheRealFish
. . . . in the 60s, folks got a little testy about a Democratic president president lying us into a pointless war, . . . .
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The war was pointless waste, but this is a fuller history:
France had long treated Indochina -- Vietnam, Camboida, Laos -- as if it were a suburb of Paris. Post-WW II the US, under Truman, provided money and military materiale to the French.
When the Frnch got blown out at Dien Bien Fu, the US took France's place.
Eisenhower sent the first "advisors".
JFK sent the first troops.
Johnson escalated.
Nixon illegally bombed civilian areas of N. Vietnam.
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Who lied the US into Vietnam?
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They did illegal things in their protests.
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Yeah: smoked pot, had sex hanging from trees during daylight, and bought 99.99 per cent of all rock LPs sold.
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jenesq
April 8, 2010 2:00 PM in reply to Atomist
Why do I suspect that Karl Rove got beaten up by a little girl because he was a smug, pompous, chauvanistic little asshole?
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robbury
April 7, 2010 6:46 PM in reply to Atomist
Bloggers? Calling their Reps at home and threatening their lives? I think that would make them something other than bloggers, which of course means that your statement is nonsense, which, of course, it is.
But sure, there're plenty of antagonists on both sides. For example: I don't like you.
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FedUp
April 7, 2010 6:51 PM in reply to Atomist
"Nasty things?" Give me a break. This guy threatened her life and deserves to go to jail. The end. Nothing justifies that.
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acf_ma
April 7, 2010 7:05 PM in reply to Atomist
Perhaps, but does the liberal broadcast media (such as it is) encourage and even incite it? Also, do Democratic members of Congress applaud and sometimes even encourage and defend those who threaten?
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castanea
April 7, 2010 8:47 PM in reply to Atomist
Holy Cow! Even with the overt self-reference to Atomist's comment being snark, people apparently still think it's serious.
That's kind of creepy.
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calchala
April 7, 2010 4:23 PM
Apparently according to that AP report, Pelosi actually spoke to that man.
I wonder how that conversation went....
That said, republicans are scum for not saying anything about these incidences and using the tea party merely for political gain.
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zonk
April 7, 2010 4:42 PM in reply to calchala
I've got a transcript:
CALLER: I knows wheres yuse lives. I is smart with gunz.
PELOSI: Who is this?
CALLER: I is silence moronity. I am to get you.
PELOSI: Are you threatening me? Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
CALLER: Yes. I is threatening. Beck on teevee, he say yuse Hitler. I get you.
PELOSI: I just kicked the [DELETED] out of nearly 200 [deleted] like you. You don't want any of this, punk.
CALLER: MOM! The spoker is threatening me!
... the caller was then taken into protective custody...
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Mary Alice
April 7, 2010 8:24 PM in reply to zonk
Still chuckling. Not to totally dump on the Right but where's your wit? your imagination? your creativity? The last Republican with a talent to amuse was Bill Buckley. I'm not saying I want him back but I'm just sayin'.....
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 10:32 PM in reply to Mary Alice
The only thing amusing about Bickley was the tongue-wiggle thing.
Otherwise he was an arrogant pseudo-intellectual who managed to be both bore and boor.
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mass_murdock
April 7, 2010 4:28 PM
Anyway, it's begun! The socialist revolution has started! Up against the wall, honkey! Go to phase II! Internment camps, census death squads, forced gay/islamic marriages! Confiscate the guns! Initiate total UN control! Prepare for Osama's triumphant entry as Premiere of the New Islamo/Fascist States of America!
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lousgirl84
April 7, 2010 4:32 PM in reply to mass_murdock
yayyyyy. count me in.......
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WaitWut?
April 7, 2010 5:08 PM in reply to lousgirl84
LOL! Up for a party, are we? AAAHAHAHAHAHA!!
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lousgirl84
April 7, 2010 6:04 PM in reply to WaitWut?
I'm ready.........sounds like you are too and invite your hubby....lol.....
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WaitWut?
April 7, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to lousgirl84
If the party includes putting freakin' idiots like this away for life...HELL YES! No one threatens our Nancy, damnit!
I'll bring the deviled eggs.
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baba2nde
April 7, 2010 4:48 PM in reply to mass_murdock
I beg to differ. The structure of the language you used does not point to original thought. It appears that some central force (fox?) is instigating these thought patterns. That force must be brought to account in order to " ... insure domestic tranquility ..." as the Constitution allows. Arresting and prosecuting troublemakers is a legitimate function of State.
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WaitWut?
April 7, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to baba2nde
Well. There goes lousgirl's party.
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lousgirl84
April 7, 2010 6:09 PM in reply to WaitWut?
No way.....
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Jaycal
April 7, 2010 5:14 PM in reply to mass_murdock
We'll have blue-hat UN soldiers in the street threatening us to stop, or they'll say stop again! Extraordinary Rendition to countries where you're taken to a non-impacted hospital and provided free healthcare. Oh my!
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 5:39 PM in reply to Jaycal
Transportation will be black helicopters with no insignia.
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Winston Smith
April 7, 2010 5:22 PM in reply to mass_murdock
I think "Forced Gay Islamic Marriage" is an even better band name then "Gay Witch Abortion" (which actually exists). Someone start printing the t-shirts, we're going to make literally tens of dollars.
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gharlane
April 8, 2010 12:06 AM in reply to Winston Smith
Me too. Them moozlims is all about forcing people into Teh Ghey ya know. It's in the Koo-ran somewhere.
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Early Out
April 7, 2010 5:56 PM in reply to mass_murdock
I, for one, welcome our new Islamo-Fascist overlords.
Mmmmm, donuts...
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RKT
April 7, 2010 6:15 PM in reply to mass_murdock
Anyone who uses "socialist" and "fascist" as though they were interchangeable terms obviously knows nothing more than he or she hears on Fox News.
Even more revealing, you whine "my democracy is being taken away" while opining that "it's just plain darn unfair that I should have to live with the results of a democratic election." It's not really your fault; your mummy a daddy obviously did a very poor job raising you.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to RKT
They are at opposite ends of the political spectrum but the end result of both is the same.
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mophan
April 7, 2010 10:45 PM in reply to Steve
You show your ignorance too well.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 11:28 PM in reply to RKT
No, what most peple feel is unfair is that they are constantly told by the democratic party that they have to financially support people who refuse to support themselves. The most noticable effects of the healthcare bill will be
1. Insurance premiums will go up. They have to to subsidize the unhealthy people insurers will be required to cover.
2. Jobs will be exported because it is cheaper to send jobs to the third world than provide mandated healthcare benefits. This is already the trend the upcoming mandate for coverage will accelerate the process.
3. Rates for providers will be cut for the same reason premiums will increase.
4. Availability of care will decrease because of number 3. This is already happening for those on Medicaid and Medicare in response to existing rate cuts. Providers are simply deciding that Medicare and Medicaid aren't worth the trouble and are focusing their marketing efforts elsewhere. Those outside the healthcare business are generally unaware that cash paying patients can already demand appointment priority, and usually get it since providers will make double or more by seeing them compared to what they do by billing insurance. Those with financial means will have even more advantage as insurance rates to providers decrease. It's simple economics.
The backlash in November is going to be vicious. Obama spent all of his political capital on a healthcare bill that didn't even include the much heralded public option. Worse for democrats the negatives will start to be felt immediately as inssurers and employers gear up for the upcoming 2014 changes. Premium hikes began occurring at the mere antipaction of the bills passage. Medicare and Medicaid have already taken cuts. But the benefit from most of the bills provisions won't be realized anytime soon by anyone. Politically it will be a disaster. 1994 all over again.
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AJM
April 8, 2010 12:31 AM in reply to Steve
Silly post. Take a look at Canada's system -- people there live longer than here and the country spends less to get that outcome.
We all have enough friends with college age kids unable to find jobs thanks to you guys electing Bush and company and friends with pre-existing conditions that the news that HCR helps will get around pretty fast.
And that Fox and Palin told lies about HCR will become so apparent that even tea baggers like yourself won't believe them.
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Cal Damage
April 7, 2010 9:05 PM in reply to mass_murdock
Love your icon/avatar...'You know...Morons.'
Goddamn, can't get me enough of that movie, running as it is on FOX and CNN every damned night of the week. Just can't see Nancy as the Waco Kid.
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twirling fartknocker
April 7, 2010 4:29 PM
yikes
f-in anti-democratic repug instigators. they've already got the lower end of the intelligence bell curve on their side, and then they go and stir up all of this irrational hate on top of it. that's a bad mix
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theWalrus
April 7, 2010 4:33 PM
Teatards On The March!
Takin' Back Amurica From Da Man!
(Or, in this case, the woman).
Whatev.
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willia451
April 7, 2010 4:36 PM
More good news from the FBI!!
Another Fox Watching, Limbaugh listening, extremist, bat-shit crazy asshole arrested and locked up.
FBI!! FBI!!! FBI!!!!!
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slb
April 7, 2010 4:49 PM in reply to willia451
I have to say, it is a little surreal for someone who grew up in the Sixties to hear the left cheering for the FBI...
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expat46
April 7, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to slb
Everybody loves a cop when you need one.
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willia451
April 7, 2010 5:05 PM in reply to slb
Look at it this way. Threats of violence and actual violence against persons has always been illegal. No matter what the decade.
Its one thing to protest in a non-violent way. Or exercise your free speech civil rights.
Its quite another to threaten and to use force and violence against persons.
In that respect, I'll cheer the FBI all day long. Especially if they are arresting and locking up out-of-control right wing militia and bat-shit crazy right wing terrorists.
That just makes my cheers that much louder.
FBI!! FBI!!! FBI!!!!!
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WaitWut?
April 7, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to willia451
Is it wrong that we're becoming cheerleaders for the FBI? Would it be inappropriate to send them flowers?
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slb
April 7, 2010 5:16 PM in reply to willia451
Oh, I wasn't criticizing, I was just struck by the way the landscape has changed.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 5:36 PM in reply to slb
It's true. Remeber when the FBI (or was it the Defense Department) infiltrated the anti-war Quaker group? That was outrageous but the uproar was short lived. Where have all the hard core lefty protesters gone?
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 5:42 PM in reply to expat46
Where are the teabaggers, with their plan to restore the Constitution they've not read?
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RKT
April 7, 2010 6:18 PM in reply to JNagarya
That's totally unfair! They don't know how to read.
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SilvestriWoman
April 7, 2010 4:40 PM
Call me ignorant, but how are these people getting so much personal information?
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slb
April 7, 2010 4:51 PM in reply to SilvestriWoman
How do ex-husbands and ex-boyfriends get it? In the age of Google and online databases, it's generally not all that hard.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 5:44 PM in reply to slb
"God" forbid evil and violence ever cease to be exclusive to males.
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RKT
April 7, 2010 6:20 PM in reply to JNagarya
How quickly you forget Lorena Bobbett.
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Sir T
April 7, 2010 8:18 PM in reply to RKT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHwVpZrZGQ
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 9:08 PM in reply to RKT
Have you reason to remember her?
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NotBornEveryMinute
April 8, 2010 12:05 AM in reply to JNagarya
Yes! So you'll understand the joke that starts:
"What did Jeffrey Dahmer say to Lorena Bobbit?"
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kunda311
April 7, 2010 4:45 PM
Oh, the horrors of democracy! You lose an election and, next thing you know, people in the majority party are all of a sudden passing laws left and right without consulting with us, the small but very vocal minority that's been wrong about everything! Sheesh. If these turds get violent over the democratic process, it's truly frightening to think what they would do if the country was REALLY being taken over by radicals. Oh, wait...
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slb
April 7, 2010 5:13 PM in reply to kunda311
If the country were really being taken over by forces hostile to democracy, they would either be hiding under their beds or cheering the invading forces in the streets.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 10:11 PM in reply to kunda311
The US isn't a democracy. It never has been. It was never intended to be. It's a republic. Democracy is the rule of the mob.
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tomasf
April 7, 2010 10:42 PM in reply to Steve
The US is a representative democracy, deliberately constructed as such to take the "mob" out of the equation.
The Federalist Papers are a good read, I recommend checking them out.
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JNagarya
April 8, 2010 2:22 AM in reply to Steve
The essence of democracy is elections. The Constitution expresssly stipulates that there shall be elections.
The US is a democratic republic.
You're the extremist; the Founders/Framers wree centrists -- LIBERALS.
They lived in an age of monarchy, so naturally distrusted democracy. But elections had been the political norm from the beginnings of the several colonies. And if one reads The Federalist, one learns that they distrusted democracy but did not reject it.
As the system was established, the most democratic element -- the first level of democracy institutionalized -- is the House. The check on that is the cooler-headed Senate.
The least democratic is the unelected judiciary.
Trolls who push that line are invariably of a tiny minority of anti-elitist elitists -- elitists who are vociferously invested in being anti-intellectual.
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_jonny_5_
April 7, 2010 4:47 PM
Cue Eric Cantor's False equivalency diatribe in
4...3...2...1...
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M.L.H.
April 7, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
And Glenn Beck, who acted out a sketch where he poisoned Nancy Pelosi, is morally equivalent to Rachel Maddow calling Scott Brown a liar when Brown lied about her planning to run for office.
Yes, there are clearly problems on both left and right.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 5:47 PM in reply to M.L.H.
Yeah: the Left has the temerity to accurately label LIES as being -- get ready --
LIES.
That is so . . . so -- so -- so -- yeah, that's it --
NASTY!
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Proud to be an American
April 7, 2010 4:53 PM
You are all sick!
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expat46
April 7, 2010 5:07 PM in reply to Proud to be an American
Please elaborate.
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mike5
April 7, 2010 5:14 PM in reply to Proud to be an American
really? that's your reaction? You lose an election and you're ready to ditch civilized behavior?
You may be proud, but you aint much of an American!
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Jaycal
April 7, 2010 5:15 PM in reply to mike5
Despite the moniker, I think this is really a Canadian commenting literally on the state of American public health. Good call!
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Proud to be an American
April 7, 2010 5:35 PM in reply to mike5
Mike - for your information I didn't lose any election. I'm not the one behaving uncivilized.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 6:05 PM in reply to Proud to be an American
Come on, ptaa. We're just clowning around about the state of the Republican party and the lack of tea baggers in the comments section. It's all in good fun.
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zonk
April 7, 2010 5:21 PM in reply to Proud to be an American
Yup -
But fortunately, we'll all have healthcare!
How does that make you feel?
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WaitWut?
April 7, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to Proud to be an American
Whoa. How'd you know that? I mean, yeah...my allergies are buggin' me sumthin' fierce, but I think I may have a touch of food poisoning, as well. But, if we are ALL sick, maybe I caught something from all these dirty hippies.
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jackson
April 7, 2010 5:29 PM
Poor Glenn Beck, he just can't get any traction on his push for violence against the RULING PARTY!!!!
That is just eating his liver out, going to have to increase the threats to his minions...either you get out there and kill somebody, or I'm gonna get the Mormons after you, you cowards. Geeze, here I am on TV every day, wracking my brain to invent violent drivel...and you guys don't even appreciate me.
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Proud to be an American
April 7, 2010 5:33 PM
My remark "your all sick" was intended to the remarks made on this blog. I am an American not Canadian. People who throw stones shouldn't live in glass houses. If that refers to any of you so be it.
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RKT
April 7, 2010 6:24 PM in reply to Proud to be an American
If I send you a check will you promise to buy a sense of humor?
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mophan
April 7, 2010 8:41 PM in reply to RKT
LOL
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nova voter
April 7, 2010 5:33 PM
where's shooter -- i expected to see him here blaming it on pelosi.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 5:40 PM in reply to nova voter
S/he was taken into custody.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 5:51 PM in reply to JNagarya
Maybe sailormarlowe will help him make bail.
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JNagarya
April 7, 2010 5:53 PM in reply to expat46
Not likely from INSIDE jail.
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Brownbagger
April 7, 2010 5:34 PM
Who will be the first hatecaster to say this is really Pelosi's fault?
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expat46
April 7, 2010 5:58 PM in reply to Brownbagger
My money is on Michelle Bachmann. She's already said that Pelosi was trying to "incite something" by crossing the street.
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RKT
April 7, 2010 6:27 PM in reply to expat46
Do you suppose the guy who writes the Republican talking points (I forget his name) also choreographs the order in which the key Republicans will recite them?
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expat46
April 7, 2010 7:57 PM in reply to RKT
I think you're referring to Frank Luntz. He's probably pulling his hair out by now, this past month has not been good for the Republicans.
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btmom
April 7, 2010 5:50 PM
I think they're all watching Glenny Penny.
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btmom
April 7, 2010 5:51 PM
That way they'll know what crazy s*it to write.
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navamske
April 7, 2010 5:52 PM
I guess this guy didn't get the memo from Sen. Tom Coburn that Pelosi is "a nice lady."
Seriously, how whacked do you have to be to threaten the life of someone who's in the line of presidential succession? Not that it's any more acceptable to threaten someone who isn't, but still. Don't these people think?
Yes, I know. It was a rhetorical question.
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RKT
April 7, 2010 6:29 PM in reply to navamske
I assume you mean anyone not named Dick Cheney.
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blairza
April 7, 2010 6:06 PM
I'm not "cheerleading" the FBI, I am glad they are doing their job. And for the "both sides have terrorists.." yadda yadda bullshit! There was real anger and opposition to Republican Government but there was not large scale death threats, so stop all yer frigging equivocation. The Tea Party is a mass racist tantrum encouraged by the most cynical wing of the US Chamber of Commerce. Screw forced Gay/Islamic marriage, when the Revolution comes these people will be reeducated as the sex slaves of our most atheistic goats.
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Prof Wagstaff
April 7, 2010 6:20 PM
Threaten any congresscritter...
GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL.
DO NOT PASS GO.
DO NOT COLLECT $200.
You'll be in teabagging heaven!
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Partisancheese
April 7, 2010 6:37 PM
Isn't the whole point of a democracy that we don't have to have a violent revolution (aka making death threats?). We literally have a system in place where we can check our lawmakers.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 7:13 PM in reply to Partisancheese
So far that 'checking' has resulted in about 12.7 Trillion in crushing debt. Your share is about $41,000 of it.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 8:15 PM in reply to Steve
I'm going to ask this for like the millionth time because I've never got an answer. Where were you when Bush lied us into war while cutting taxes?
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Steve
April 7, 2010 10:05 PM in reply to expat46
You probably don't get an answer because your question isn't relevant to anything. Try to understand and comprehend: Bush isn't in office, and, as far as I know, isn't running for anything. When he was in office democrats like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton happily backed the invasion of Iraq and voted for the resolution authorizing it. During the last two years of his presidency democrats like Obama, who controlled congress, happily helped run up the debt like pigs in a trough. I know your life revolves around obsessing over Bush, and this probably makes some nice mental health professional some money in a tough economy, but, at the end of the day, your point is what? Bush was a lousy president and ran up the debt so Obama and company should try to F things up worse? The DNC should hire you to do slogans: Bush sucked, Democrats can to.
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mophan
April 7, 2010 10:38 PM in reply to Steve
So it was OK then for Hillary and Kerry to help Bush run up the deficit while our troops were in harms way the two years prior to Obama taking office? Why? Because it was Bush? Or was it not OK? Hence the relevancy. Where were you? Wait, I recall, you was that old lady in the McCain rally asking old Gramps whether Obama was really a Muslim. Fool.
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AJM
April 8, 2010 12:41 AM in reply to Steve
Admit it ... you believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That Wall Street should be completely unregulated. That Brownie did a heck of a job. That Powell was telling the truth when he addressed the UN.
What we understand -- and understand clearly -- is that the people who put Bush in power haven't learned anything since and are now trying to sell Palin and Bachman and Cantor.
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expat46
April 8, 2010 11:16 AM in reply to Steve
Stevie, just like your hero Sarah Palin, when confronted with an uncomfortable question you just declare it irrelevant and then move on to wild assertions. You prefer to answer the question posed by the little voice inside your head that's more suitable to your programming.
I know your type, claiming to be independent while keeping your 'deficit concern' handy, pulling it out in any political debate like it's the ultimate trump card. It's comforting for you to position yourself as an observer, contemptuously watching from the side lines. The truth of the matter is you've aligned yourself with a political party and you need to man up and own it. What grade would you give the Bush administration for its eight years of service?
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Steve
April 7, 2010 7:08 PM
Gee let's see, we have a bunch greedy, self serving embeciles in both parties who have collectively run up close to 13 Trillion (just over 41K for every man woman and child in the country) in debt, while simultaneously pissing away more than 1/3 of the income of the average taxpayer, and they are being threatened? Wow, who would have thought? The only thing surprising here is that it takes any particular event to elicit threats, one would think it would be a daily occurrence.
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ohyeathatsright
April 7, 2010 7:44 PM in reply to Steve
Being an apologist for people making death threats...you should look up shame in the dictionary. You should spell also your insults correctly, imbecile.
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ohyeathatsright
April 7, 2010 7:45 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
And mine should be grammatically correct.
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Mary Alice
April 7, 2010 8:33 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
Are you familiar with the term, "run-on sentence"? See Henry James
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ohyeathatsright
April 8, 2010 2:08 AM in reply to Mary Alice
I prefer James Joyce.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 9:45 PM in reply to ohyeathatsright
I don't have to appologize for anybody. I'm merely stating the obvious. Given that in the picture in this article Pelosi already looks like she's been dead about a week and had a lousy mortician to boot I'm for letting nature take it's course.
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mophan
April 7, 2010 10:44 PM in reply to Steve
I am also for nature taking its course - as Republicans continue to alienate the fastest growing demographic groups in the country while at the same time their BASE gets older and die off in the thousands, DAILY. Keep digging that grave, bagger.
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Brownbagger
April 7, 2010 7:54 PM in reply to Steve
Steve, please spare us what goes on in that disgusting brain of yours. Have a nice day, you pompous ill-informed turd. I await the news of your arrest for beating your grandmother, you worthless coward. Kind regards.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 8:22 PM in reply to Brownbagger
Not quite on par with Marinus but still very good.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 9:13 PM in reply to Brownbagger
In other words you can't refute anything said and have instead decided to babble out an irrelevant tirade.
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Brownbagger
April 8, 2010 11:31 AM in reply to Steve
Oh, I see. You want me to debate your contention that she deserved to be threatened with murder. In that case, I have nothing further to babble. My tirade stands as the proper counterpoint. Good day.
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AJM
April 8, 2010 9:19 AM in reply to Brownbagger
Don't be silly -- it's clear any grandmother could beat him.
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nova voter
April 8, 2010 6:40 AM in reply to Steve
you misspelled "imbeciles." that is awesome on approximately 17 different levels.
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tguy
April 7, 2010 7:56 PM
Well, well, some people will do anything to avoid being covered on a health plan and having to visit the doctor.
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Steve
April 7, 2010 9:20 PM in reply to tguy
Perhaps some people actually pay for their own health plan and Dr visits and don't want to have to subsidize someone elses.
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tomasf
April 7, 2010 10:24 PM in reply to Steve
We all already subsidize emergency room visits for the uninsured.
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mophan
April 7, 2010 10:48 PM in reply to tomasf
Steve is an idiot and doesn't have the mental capacity to understand he is chasing after windmills. He believes what is spoon-fed to him from his masters.
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An Outhouse
April 7, 2010 8:10 PM
"Sister Lorna Walsh, community operations manager of the Mercy Housing complex where Giusti lives, said he had lived in the subsidized housing for almost 10 years."
Nuff said.
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Mary Alice
April 7, 2010 8:14 PM
Did he threaten to "burn her (his) ass on a cross on the White House lawn"?, as a Memphis Tea Party member threatened
Tenn. Rep. Steve Cohen?
Ms. Bachman, conservative blacks, are you listening?
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Brownbagger
April 7, 2010 8:28 PM
I'm honored nonetheless. Thanks.
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expat46
April 7, 2010 8:44 PM in reply to Brownbagger
de nada
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bluestatedon
April 7, 2010 9:06 PM
"where's shooter -- i expected to see him here blaming it on pelosi."
He's practicing his jump shot now that the tournament is over.
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MarSF
April 7, 2010 10:16 PM
The SF Chronicle reports that this dude has been living in federally subsidized housing for at least a decade. I am willing to bet he is also collecting government disability checks.
And he is angry about the uninsured getting health coverage. Sounds like a typical Teabagger.
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tomasf
April 7, 2010 10:21 PM in reply to MarSF
I was just about to write the same thing.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/national_world&id=7373535
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Anita
April 8, 2010 12:11 AM
My weapon is the ballot box. But if I was threaten in any way I would take any means in my power to protect myself. I will tell you this, no Black Panther who stands in the doorway of a voting booth will stop me from entering and voting. I wil take any means I have to protect myself and my vote.
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AJM
April 8, 2010 12:44 AM in reply to Anita
Where do you live? I think you have been listening to A Prairie Home Companion way too much and have gotten very confused: he was talking about cougars, not Panthers. So be very careful, they are much more frequently sighted that Panthers at voting booths.
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JNagarya
April 8, 2010 2:16 AM in reply to Anita
There is no right to shoot your imaginary enemies based upon skin color.
Moreover, there is a hundreds-of-years tradition of prohibiting armed citizens and groups at polling places on election days.
Suggestion: Put down the gun and get the help you need with that paranoid racist hallucination.
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rbe1
April 8, 2010 3:52 AM in reply to Anita
Racism is never pretty to look at. Are you afraid of blacks ?
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Sonya
April 8, 2010 11:39 AM
If you want an example of what life in the US would be like if the Republicans and Libertarian get the small, impotent government they want, look to Brazil. There, due to lack of social programs that keep the poor comfortable and due to the corruption of politicians who take the money when those programs do get pushed through, it isn't safe to be a wealthy Brazilian. The huge gap between the rich and the poor is the cause. The leadership within the poor communities have found a way to provide; by robbing and kidnapping for ransom the family members of the rich elite. One plastic surgeon has even developed a method for repairing the ears cut off my kidnappers because it is such a common occurrence. It is all quite simple, keep the poor comfortable or pay for their wrath when they find a way to keep themselves comfortable. Health care coverage is one way of keeping social unrest at bay. To believe that with a lack of government involvement and support for the poor a safe environment is possible is to show the most extreme ignorance of societal realities.
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Tosh
April 28, 2010 9:30 PM
I'm not "cheerleading" the FBI, I am glad they are doing their job. And for the "both sides have terrorists.." yadda yadda bullshit! There was real anger and opposition to Republican Government but there was not large scale death threats, so stop all yer frigging equivocation. The Tea Party is a mass racist tantrum encouraged by the most cynical wing of the US Chamber of Commerce. Screw forced Gay/Islamic marriage, when the Revolution comes these people will be reeducated as the sex slaves of our most atheistic goats.
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