
Are the Goldman Sachs executives testifying at today's governmental affairs hearing sorry? Do they have regrets about their role in the financial crisis?
Sure doesn't sound like it.
"Regret to me means something that you feel that you did wrong," said former Goldman partner Dan Sparks. "And I don't have that."
What I do have though is -- we made mistakes in our business, like any business does. And we made some poor business decisions in hindsight.
But did Goldman Sachs play a part in causing the financial crisis?
"I don't know," Sparks said. "I'd like to think about that and respond. I haven't thought about that specifically."
What about you, Joshua Birnbaum?
"I would second what Mr. Sparks said," said Birnbaum, former managing director of the banks' structured products group trading. "We're all sympathetic to the negative impact to that bubble."
And "to the extent that investment banks and commercial banks may have extended too much credit at certain periods of time," Birnbaum said, "then it's possible" Goldman played a role.
Michael Swenson -- who now holds Birnbaum's old job -- was more definitive.
"We did not cause the financial crisis," he said. "I do not think we did anything wrong."
"There's things that we wish we could have done better in hindsight, but at the times that we made the decisions, I don't think we did anything wrong," Swenson said.
And Fabrice Tourre, who boasted by email of selling financial products to a "widow and orphans"?
"I firmly believe that my conduct was correct," Tourre said.
Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) looked like he wanted to sigh loudly. "I do sense that you all are not taking full responsibilities."


Publishermike
April 27, 2010 1:50 PM
Of course he thought his conduct was correct. That's what greedy bastards are all about.
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davcbr
April 27, 2010 3:10 PM in reply to Publishermike
What's floating around in these sociopathic minds is that there was a bad business decision somewhere along the line, because they are now in front of congress. In their minds, it is like Schroedinger's cat. It is not wrong until you are caught. And here they are.
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picklenoses
April 27, 2010 1:51 PM
They maximized shareholder (and their own) value. And they used all the rope Congress gave them through this endless deregulation scheme. As far as Goldman is concerned, they played the game and they did their jobs.
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BrianSkuse
April 27, 2010 2:09 PM in reply to picklenoses
Oh no - the shareholders get screwed too.
The top guys at GS take all the profits as bonuses and let as little as possible dribble down to the shareholders.
Can you imagine ? A dividend is too communist. Too much spreading around of capital.
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BrianSkuse
April 27, 2010 2:05 PM
If you have ever worked on Wall Street ( or at a hedge fund or in open-outcry futures trading, etc ) you have seen pure, one hundred per cent greed walking around on two legs. These guys look like humans, but there is no motive other than greed in their behavior.
It is stunning in its purity.
They do not just want to make money - they want all the money, your money, any money. If someone else gets a dollar, they hate it.
Regret : impossible. Second thoughts : never. Robbing widows and orphans : no problem.
The idea these creatures will self-police is sick. Cannot happen.
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docrocktex
April 27, 2010 2:09 PM
I want to slap the shit out of these guys.
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traitorjoe
April 27, 2010 2:11 PM
Wait a second ... some of clients made money? and we left a few cents on the table? Now I have regret!
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Debra
April 27, 2010 2:52 PM
Looks like their PR companies trained GS well for the hearing. Their answers appeared very rehearsed.
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pablito
April 27, 2010 2:58 PM
why should these sons of bitches apologize? it's better in the long run if they don't -- let the prison sentences be longer. of course, you KNOW that if these chickensh*t bastards were in a court of law, facing REAL CONSEQUENCES for their actions, they would be wetting their pants, bawling, and begging for forgiveness from anyone who would listen.
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SuperJoe
April 27, 2010 3:00 PM
Thinking you're correct and claiming "I'm immune so cram it" are different things. They made their bets based on a novel contraption they assembled to make those bets possible.
Of course they knew it was 'wrong', but they checked and of course it wasn't 'illegal'.
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JohnW1141
April 27, 2010 3:40 PM
Of course there are no apologies, no regrets. These cretins and others in the financial services industry set out to use their positions to make themselves a bundle and they were successful. These cretins and the credit reporting agencies are no different than the ENRON gang and the auditors at Arthur Andersen. In both cases there were people that could have brought their world back from the brink but they didn't becasue they were all making too much money.
One sleaze at today's hearing admitted to "mistakes" at Goldman Sachs...there were no frikkin mistakes, they knew what they were doing would earn them big bucks and they were successful, so there were no "mistakes".
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Forrest
April 27, 2010 3:56 PM
"I'd like to think about that and respond. I haven't thought about that specifically."
Seriously? Not once in the last 18 months have you at least entertained the notion?
That your business, or at the very least the practices your industry engaged in very nearly created a global depression?
You're either a liar or incompetent. Based on how your business came through the crisis, I'm inclined to believe the former.
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Orphe_D
April 27, 2010 4:07 PM
SEC vs. Goldman Sachs: What does it mean for the economy and the American middle class?
Politically driven or not, the US government couldn’t have picked a worst time to bring accusations against Goldman. Has anyone stopped to think that if in fact we are at the beginning of a recovery from the worst recession since the Great Depression, this assault on Goldman will hurt and slow down our economic recovery? What does an assault on Goldman do? It erodes investor confidence and brings down the entire financial sector.
Read the rest of the article at:
http://wp.me/pPdcm-2J
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Forrest
April 27, 2010 4:55 PM in reply to Orphe_D
Wait, so making an example of a company that knowingly defrauded their customers might bring down investor confidence?
Part of the reason this recent financial crisis was so acute was the extreme lack of investor confidence. Goldman Sachs and other investment banks created trillions of dollars worth of investments that no-one could accurately value, and that investors could not confidently trade after the bubble burst. Making the point that this kind of behavior won't be tolerated in the future would actually buffer investor confidence in my opinion.
Aside from that, though - if a single company is so vital to the health of the world economy that we can't afford to prosecute them for breaking the law, we need to suffer the downturn and fix that problem before it gets any worse.
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jjcomet
April 28, 2010 10:06 AM in reply to Orphe_D
Please. This is the same argument I hear from an acquaintance who is worried that revelations of fraud by the big investment firms will hurt his ROI. He's rather be lied to by investment firms and desperately hope he makes some money after they've finished skimming their take than require those firms to be honest about the investments they're peddling. And this from a government employee who makes ~65K/year. Sometimes the sheer stupidity of my fellow Americans is just too depressing to contemplate...
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CareyInLA
April 27, 2010 4:26 PM
No regrets? The logical response to this writes itself: give them something to really, really regret.
How about breaking up Goldman-Sachs and seizing its assets for financial restitution?
How about legislation stripping all of the gains from any partner found liable in a civil lawsuit?
The only pain these "men" feel is in the wallet.
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Tim
April 28, 2010 5:32 AM in reply to CareyInLA
I'm thinking more like guillotines.
Maybe as the blade's being cranked up to the top, they might have a moment of regret.
Maybe.
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urbino
April 27, 2010 5:32 PM
"We're all sympathetic to the negative impact to that bubble."
The word choice is telling. "Sympathy" is something you have from outside. You stand outside the object of your sympathy. These guys stand outside the bubble. It didn't affect them. They were obscenely rich before, and they're obscenely rich after.
This crash isn't something that happened to them. It happened to other people. That's the reality for them, so they use words like "sympathy."
It's why it's important to change the way the financial system works. We can't be dependent on these guys' sympathy. They have to have real incentives -- skin in the game. Skin they can lose. Right now, they don't, so they really don't care all that much about those who do.
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Bright Creature
April 27, 2010 10:25 PM
If i were congress, there's no way I'd depend on these boobs for facts. The facts are already out there, after all. I'd still have congressional hearings, but those hearings would be a litmus for transparency and openness. On that score they've failed, and they should be told so, and entered into the public record as further proof of their rapacity.
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Tosh
May 16, 2010 10:35 PM
If you have ever worked on Wall Street ( or at a hedge fund or in open-outcry futures trading, etc ) you have seen pure, one hundred per cent greed walking around on two legs. These guys look like humans, but there is no motive other than greed in their behavior.
It is stunning in its purity.
They do not just want to make money - they want all the money, your money, any money. If someone else gets a dollar, they hate it.
Regret : impossible. Second thoughts : never. Robbing widows and orphans : no problem.
The idea these creatures will self-police is sick. Cannot happen.
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