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Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr. (R-CA)

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Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) wants to start deporting American citizens.

Not all American citizens, mind you. Just the natural-born American citizens that are the children of illegal immigrants.

At a tea party rally in Ramona in San Diego County over the weekend, Hunter fielded a question about the issue.

"Would you support deportation of natural born American citizens that are the children of illegal aliens?" a man in the audience asked.

"I would have to, yes," Hunter said.

He continued:

You can look and say, 'You're a mean guy. That's a mean thing to do. That's not a humanitarian thing to do.' We simply cannot afford what we're doing right now.

"We just can't afford it anymore," Hunter said. "That's it. And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen. It's within our souls."

Hunter's office did not immediately return TPM's phone call seeking comment.

Hunter also said he thinks Arizona's controversial new immigration law "is a fantastic starting point."

Watch (the relevant question comes just after the 2-minute mark):

Late Update: I just got off the phone with Joe Kasper, Hunter's spokesperson. He didn't really back down from the basics of Hunter's statement, but did offer some more context.

"By no means was that the message, that yeah, let's start rounding people up," Kasper said. Hunter does not want to start "tracking kids down and deporting them," Kasper said.

What he does want, Kasper said, is to do away with the citizenship rights for children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States. In fact, Hunter is one of more than 90 House Republicans who are cosponsoring a bill that would do just that.

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April 28, 2010 4:00 PM   

Are you kidding me? How do these crazies get elected? It baffles the mind.

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April 28, 2010 4:09 PM    in reply to likembrave

Racist old white people in the grip of cultural paranoia and fear as the white majority is near an end?

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April 28, 2010 4:25 PM    in reply to Max Thrax

Look, a new fresh turd to top the Repubtard heap of steaming excrement. Say Hello to Duncan. Hello Duncan.

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April 28, 2010 4:29 PM    in reply to Knothead Jake

How long until someone floats his name as a possible 2012 candidate?

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April 28, 2010 5:27 PM    in reply to SchrodingersCat

Kookinelli Hunter 2012!

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April 28, 2010 4:51 PM    in reply to Knothead Jake

Can someone please explain to me why anyone with the integrity above that of pond scum would ever vote for these turds? I just don't get it.

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April 28, 2010 5:32 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

I don't get it either but I suspect it's fear of the small brown people.

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April 28, 2010 7:20 PM    in reply to Knothead Jake

Best Avatar Evah!

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April 28, 2010 4:47 PM    in reply to Max Thrax

Bingo

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April 28, 2010 4:41 PM    in reply to likembrave

Was he elected or appointed?

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April 28, 2010 5:29 PM    in reply to likembrave

He was elected on a legacy quota because of his lunatic dad, whose seat he now occupies.

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April 28, 2010 5:55 PM    in reply to likembrave

While Duncan Hunter is a dickhead coming and going, it seems everyone is forgetting that it is only because of a poorly drafted and never amended constitutional amendment that puts us in this position.

I don't know of any other country stupid enough to grant automatic citizenship to the children of "visitors" or, worse yet, illegal aliens, born in the U.S.

There's not much that can be done after the fact, but if anyone wants to make a serious dent in the issue of illegal immigration, and only a moron doesn't (the U.S. over-populated and has far too many low- to no-skill immigrants already), one provision of immigration reform should be to change this aspect of the law.

I know middle-class foreigners who have had their children born in the U.S. solely so they have the option of pledging their allegiance to the U.S. come time for college or, more important yet, employment there after.

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April 28, 2010 9:46 PM    in reply to Nandemosan

Nandemosan uttered: "I don't know of any other country stupid enough to grant automatic citizenship to the children of "visitors" or, worse yet, illegal aliens, born in the U.S. "

ORLY?

Nations that grant citizenship by birth, regardless of the nationality or immigration status of parents:

ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA
ARGENTINA
BARBADOS
BELIZE
BOLIVIA
BRAZIL
CANADA
CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC
CHILE
COSTA RICA
CUBA
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
ECUADOR
EL SALVADOR
EQUATORIAL GUINEA
FRANCE
GAMBIA
GRENADA
GUATEMALA
GUINEA-BISSAU
GUYANA
HONDURAS
INDIA
INDONESIA
IRELAND
JAMAICA
LESOTHO
MALTA
MAURITIUS
MEXICO
NEPAL
NEW ZEALAND
NICARAGUA
NIGER
PAKISTAN
PANAMA
PARAGUAY
PERU
ST. KITTS AND NEVIS
ST. LUCIA
ST. VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES
SAMOA
TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
TUVALU
URUGUAY
VANUATU
VENEZUELA
ZAMBIA

SOURCE: "Citizenship Laws of the World" (pdf). United States Office of Personnel Management Investigations Service. March 2001.

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April 30, 2010 7:55 AM    in reply to h0db

Your list is 10 years out of date. Many countries have changes their immigration policies since 2001.

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May 1, 2010 9:34 PM    in reply to theCleverBulldog

@thecleve - How many countries in the list changed their policies and which ones were there?

Or were you just spouting more BS?

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April 30, 2010 7:49 PM    in reply to h0db

The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country's political life. Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics. Article 9 states, "only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country." Article 33 is unambiguous: "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.

The Mexican constitution denies fundamental property rights to foreigners. If foreigners wish to have certain property rights, they must renounce the protection of their own governments or risk confiscation. Foreigners are forbidden to own land in Mexico within 100 kilometers of land borders or within 50 kilometers of the coast. Article 27 states,

"Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereunto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country." (Emphasis added)

The Mexican constitution denies equal employment rights to immigrants, even legal ones, in the public sector. Article 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces."

The Mexican constitution guarantees that immigrants will never be treated as real Mexican citizens, even if they are legally naturalized. Article 32 bans foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico from serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports:

"In order to belong to the National Navy or the Air Force, and to discharge any office or commission, it is required to be a Mexican by birth. This same status is indispensable for captains, pilots, masters, engineers, mechanics, and in general, for all personnel of the crew of any vessel or airship protected by the Mexican merchant flag or insignia. It is also necessary to be Mexican by birth to discharge the position of captain of the port and all services of practique and airport commandant, as well as all functions of customs agent in the Republic."

An immigrant who becomes a naturalized Mexican citizen can be stripped of his Mexican citizenship if he lives again in the country of his origin for more than five years, under Article 37. Mexican-born citizens risk no such loss.

Foreign-born, naturalized Mexican citizens may not become federal lawmakers (Article 55), cabinet secretaries (Article 91) or supreme court justices (Article 95).

The president of Mexico, like the president of the United States, constitutionally must be a citizen by birth, but Article 82 of the Mexican constitution mandates that the president's parents also be

Mexican-born citizens, thus according secondary status to Mexican-born citizens born of immigrants.

The Mexican constitution forbids immigrants and naturalized citizens to become members of the clergy. Article 130 says, "To practice the ministry of any denomination in the United Mexican States it is necessary to be a Mexican by birth."

The Mexican constitution singles out "undesirable aliens." Article 11 guarantees federal protection against "undesirable aliens resident in the country."

The Mexican constitution provides the right of private individuals to make citizen's arrests. Article 16 states, "in cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities." Therefore, the Mexican constitution appears to grant Mexican citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution.

The Mexican constitution states that foreigners may be expelled for any reason and without due process. According to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."

Partial excerpt from a POST I came across while doing a search on the subject. I'm not sure that we should be deporting people that have been granted citizenship to the United States via the provisions of the 14th amendment, but I think maybe it a tad hypocritical not to hold Mexicans in this country to the same standards that they would hold us to in Mexico. Just sayin.

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May 2, 2010 10:58 PM    in reply to h0db

Nice try, but you're either purposely mis-representing things or just stupid. There really are only three countries that matter on that list, Canada, NZ and France, and all three either require that at least one parent be a citizen or that the child in question make a choice when gaining the age of majority. Being born in these countries does not automatically grant you citizenship.

As for the rest . . Belize? Who'd want to be a citizen of Belize? Cuba? Right. Pakistan? Maybe the worst on that list.

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April 28, 2010 9:49 PM    in reply to Nandemosan

Well, you need to do a little more research. In fact, in many EU countries, automatic dual citizenship IS given when a child is born in that country. I am currently working in Singapore where that is also the case.

And, regardless if YOU consider it a poorly crafted and rushed amendment, the 14th amendment IS in the constitution and what Hunter the Younger proposes IS unconstitutional (love how RW love only PARTS of the Constitution and not other yet call themselves "strict constitutionists"). The only way his proposal COULD be legal is a Constitutional amendment.

And, keep in mind, this was the SAME argument used against the IRISH in an earlier time!

But then again, the Irish don't have brown skin and live in Southern California! Different thing all together, eh, Mr. Hunter?

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April 30, 2010 9:21 AM    in reply to DrMJG

The USA is not an EU country and in practice there is nothing unconstitutional about deporting the illegal alien parents of children born in the US and having them take their children with them. The only exceptions would be if the child were an emancipated minor or a legal and appropriate gaurdian were secured for the child if the child remains in the US. Absent that there is no right allowing minor children to live independently of their guardians. Further there is nothing in the constitution or in law that 1. Protects the illegal alien parents of US born children from deportation. 2. Grants automatic emancipated minor status, or a legal gaurdian to children of illegal aliens who are deported. Under the current constitution and law there is also nothing that prevents these same children from 1. Remaining in the country if they are granted, by a court of law, emancipated minor status,or if a legal US gaurdian for them is found or 2. Returning legally to the US when they reach legal age. The USA did not create this problem for children of illegals. The illegal aliens themselves created it by immigrating here illegally.

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April 29, 2010 5:13 AM    in reply to Nandemosan

And I know plenty of Korean and Filipino's that literally bring their entire family to the US simply because the daughter is married to an American. And once in the US, many of them disappear in the appropriate "Chinatown" of their race. Just think of the cost to support the effort to scour every city in the US checking for illegals. You'd have to corral everyone in one place and individual have each one go thru a checkpoint otherwise they could excape to another city and wait until the madness dies down then return to an alien free safe zone.

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April 29, 2010 7:37 AM    in reply to Nandemosan

Agreed. Granting automatic citizenship to babies born to non-citizens on American soil is an archaic and problematic policy. Of course an alternative would require a well designed immigration policy ... good luck with getting something like that out of Washington these days.

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April 29, 2010 3:25 PM    in reply to Nandemosan

So would that put me in that category? I was born in the US when my dawdling was here for his postdoc, I have lived in this country my whole life, am I not American enough for you then?

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April 28, 2010 7:23 PM    in reply to likembrave

Easy: Be a Marine, and have the same name as your dad, the incumbent congressman.

A SEAL ran against Hunter the second, but the DNC and the state party did next to nothing to support him.

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April 28, 2010 8:05 PM    in reply to likembrave

Gerrymandering. That's how other kooks like Bachmann, Gohmert and King keep getting elected. They create safe-seats because they group all the bat-shit crazy conservatives together.

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April 30, 2010 9:40 AM    in reply to Hobbes83

Yep the 70% of Arizona residents that support Arizona's new immigration law are probably bat shit crazy in your deluded mind as well.

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April 30, 2010 4:42 PM    in reply to Steve

That's funny that you call me deluded and then point to the popularity of something as an indication of its legality. Nice argument to make; if a lot of people like it, it MUST be good. Here's a newsflash for you. Slavery was popular back in the day, did that make it right? How about denying women voting rights? Eugenics was popular back in the day as well. So I'm the deluded one to say that a law is wrong although people who are probably ignorant and fearful passed it.

That's the problem with you wingnuts. Your thinking is built on dozens of logical fallacies that reinforce the reality that you have created. Ad Populum is one of them. You must think that because Fox News is the highest rated news channel, ALL the reporting is accurate, fair and balanced...because lots of people watch it. You also must believe that 1+1=dog.

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April 28, 2010 8:22 PM    in reply to likembrave

The district Hunter represents is very conservative/tea party-ish.
San Diego has its moments too. . .

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April 29, 2010 12:40 AM    in reply to likembrave

They get elected because they are the son of a congressman with the same name ..... because it is his DADDY. Just like George Bush ....... just like george bush ...... just like a perfect rethuglican.

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April 29, 2010 11:47 AM    in reply to hollywood

or the kennedy's, pelosi is also a legacy, as are numerous democrats. check out biden's kid, who was scheduled to become the new delaware senator until they figured out he wasn't going to win the pesky little thing called an election.

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April 29, 2010 2:30 AM    in reply to likembrave

RE: "How do these crazies get elected?" - likembrave
MY GUESS: Nice hair, conservatively styled?

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April 30, 2010 9:09 AM    in reply to likembrave

What's crazy is the fact that leftist loony tunes think that illegals somehow have a right to come here in complete and utter violation of immigration law and then depend on anchor babies to keep them here in violation of that same immigration law. Get it through your head: People who come here illegally have no right to stay here. Period. As far as the anchor babies themselves they may be citizens but they do not have any legal right to automaticly become emancipated minors who can live independent of their parents, if their parents are deported. When they become 18 or become an emancipated minor through a court ruling then they can live wherever they want. Until then their parents are responsible for them and if the parents are deported they logically go with them. There is no right anywhere in the constitution or legal system for an illegal alien to remain in the country simply because they have a baby here who is an American citizen. The illegals should think about this before they break American immigration law by coming here illegally.

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April 28, 2010 4:02 PM   

The Republicans sure do hate that 14th amendment.

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April 28, 2010 4:12 PM    in reply to mcc

What do you expect? These "strict constitutionalists" really only latch onto the 2nd, 10th, and...if their "religious speech" is being infringed on, the 1st.

The 14th Amendment could not possibly be clearer:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Since there's no provision in US law for deporting a citizen of this country, there's no legal way to deport someone born in this country, even if their parents are undocumented.

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April 28, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to EnnuiDivine

So he and the others are proposing a bill which violates their oath of office to support the Constitution?

He can deport away -- since the kids are clearly natural born citizens they are still eligible to be President.

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April 28, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to EnnuiDivine

I guess it hinges on what you consider a person. Obviously "those people" don't count.

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April 30, 2010 7:52 AM    in reply to mans_best_friend

Well, the supreme court ruled that it did not apply to Native Americans. The debates during the drafting of this amendment made it clear it would not apply to non-citizens. It certainly was not intended to apply to illegal aliens.

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April 30, 2010 7:54 AM    in reply to EnnuiDivine

Since they are illegals they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and they reside in no state since they are not legally allowed to reside here. Therefore, it does not apply to illegals.

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April 28, 2010 5:31 PM    in reply to mcc

I think they hate the Constitution (except for the 2nd Amendment,) period!

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April 28, 2010 7:15 PM    in reply to Lucieann

Well, they like the 10th, too, as long as the state isn't doing anything they wouldn't approve of. They don't much care for the 10th Amendment, for example, when California or New York want to impose tighter standards than federal legislation provides for things like air pollution or consumer protection.

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April 30, 2010 9:31 AM    in reply to mcc

What you don't seem to grasp is that there is also nothing preventing the deporation of the parents simply because they have a US born child. Once that deportation happens there is nothing in the constitution protecting the right of unemancipated minors to live without a gaurdian. As a result, absent emancipation or a guardian, the children go with the parents. They can return when 1. They are emancipated by a court of law. 2. When a legal and appropriate guardian for them in the US in found. 3. When they reach legal age.

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April 30, 2010 9:33 AM    in reply to mcc

And democrats despise the 10th, 2nd and 1st when it comes to anything they disagree with.

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April 28, 2010 4:05 PM   

Is he really spewing his law-and-order bullshit standing in front of a picture of Thomas Jefferson? The man who ginned up a legal foundation for an illegal, treasonous rebellion?

Fucktard.

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April 28, 2010 4:11 PM   

A CALL TO ARMS

Even our National Security is a risk because nothing is done to enforce the border. You are not alone? We will not be dictated to by any pro-Amnesty group. You have thousands of friends, but we need to unite in this common cause. Talk to your relatives. We can no longer be a HMO or free welfare handouts to the world. You may not want to demonstrate in the streets, because of violence from the other side.We are civilized so we don't throw frozen soda cans at the opponents. But you can join (without any cost or danger to your personal information) by standing firm with NumbersUSA. Google the address and sign up, to be alerted to all Washington inside emergencies. As one massive organized group we can stop this encroachment by 20 to 30 million foreign nationals into our jobs, destroying our culture. You will called ugly names to distract you, so you keep your real thoughts hidden in the shadows. But we must stop this as millions more will come—and keep on coming in the form of chain migration. NOTHING will stop this invasion unless we as one voice of one people say—ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Instant Citizenship for a baby of an illegal parent or parents must be rescinded. This is our country, our flag, our language and our constitution that gives us the right to free speech, that Liberals would deny us. Teach yourself who your enemy is at NumbersUSA in both parties and who must be removed in coming elections.

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April 28, 2010 4:16 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

I'd trade every one of you uneducated racist white trash pieces of shit for a hard working 'illegal' any day of the week. In fact, I can't think of a better plan to make this once great country great again!

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April 28, 2010 5:15 PM    in reply to Max Thrax

Bravo!

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April 28, 2010 5:44 PM    in reply to Max Thrax

Hear hear!

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April 28, 2010 6:56 PM    in reply to Max Thrax

sounds good and appreciate your outrage but your call for justice creates problems. Do you want to be forced to compete with an illegal on a 3rd world pay scale or pay for his family's education and hospital visits if this illegal is not paying into the system (taxes). It works great for corporate America and their messenger boys (Republicans). It's also a win for Democrats as they continue to count the Spanish vote as a Dem vote. And the Catholic Church wins also as they get to pack their diminishing congregations with Spanish families. So, what's in it for me? And to be fair, what's in it for the illegals, working for peanuts, stuck in poverty, desperate, and with no worker recourse or protections. This is about cheap labor first and last. As Corporate America would say, "hurray for me and fuck you".

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April 28, 2010 7:58 PM    in reply to Cornelius

And it ties into a very simple mechanism for preventing the outsourcing of jobs, too: pay equality.

If you want your goods or services to be sold, advertised, utilized in any form, or permitted to be transported/trafficked w/in the United States, then your pay scales - GLOBALLY - must adhere to US Minimum Wage laws and competitive salaries.

If you don't want to, that's great for you. But you can't do business here if you're going to engage in predatory and discriminatory payroll practices.

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April 28, 2010 4:23 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

Dear Brittanicus -- please go back where you came from.

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April 28, 2010 4:27 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

You're another self-loathing loser whose life went off the rails years ago and would be eating cat food if it wasn't for the mercy of the social safety net we've created in this country.

Teabagging is nothing more than middle-age rage.

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April 28, 2010 4:30 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

Hey fool, try visiting the Statue of Liberty and read words on the tablet she holds in her arms!

And the Statue of Liberty was a gift from what country???

Come on you know the answer?? And why was it a gift from France??

Come on, stooopid, let's see if you really know your history . .

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April 28, 2010 5:45 PM    in reply to boycottfaux

Oh yeah, and who helped fund our very own Revolution? (Psst... It's the Freedom Fries people.)

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April 28, 2010 7:34 PM    in reply to boycottfaux

Actually, what's on the tablet in Lady Liberty's arms is "JULY IV MDCCLXXVI".

I think what you are thinking of is the poem "The New Colossus," by Emma Lazarus, that is engraved on a tablet within the pedestal.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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April 28, 2010 4:52 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

you keep your real thoughts hidden in the shadows.

Sounds like a good idea.

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April 28, 2010 5:24 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

that gives us the right to free speech, that Liberals would deny us.

Are you under the impression you are speaking out from the shadows on some rightwing site, you stupid white turd.

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April 28, 2010 6:04 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

I don't know how often The "we" this winger speaks of turns out to be nothing more than itself and the other beer-bellied boys at the bar who think and speak precisely as it does.I have a tendency to discount anyone who uses the royal "we" while thundering from their throne,porcelain or otherwise.If I have any enemies in this country it's the racist twits at numbers or FAIR who'd dictate to others even as they snivel about not being dictated to.I'd take your advice about the websites,but I have this thing about not turning over rocks and disturbing what lives beneath.

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April 28, 2010 6:14 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

I totally agree, I just wish that the many thousands of people that lived and raised their families here prior to 1492 had the firepower to sink all those British ships coming to destroy a beautiful land.

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April 28, 2010 7:50 PM    in reply to Jackster

Hey, whoa, the Spanish were in the New World slaughtering and enslaving natives, and attempting to make good Catholics of them, for a century before the English ever arrived on the scene! And, you know, there were some Dutch guys who took over the island the natives called "Manahatta", and the French who went further north to trap game along the St. Lawrence seaway and the Great Lakes. It wasn't all the British!!!!

And to be perfectly honest, as deeply as I regret what happened to the natives who were living here before the Europeans arrived, I cannot weep tears because the present-day territory of the U.S. was not left to be like the Amazon rain forest (which itself is no longer so pristeen). It is because of those Europeans who crossed the Atlantic that my own ancestors were able to forge a better life for themselves on this continent than they would have had in Europe.

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April 29, 2010 8:12 AM    in reply to slb

Whatever.... British, French, Dutch, Spanish see the commonality?
Not a country of immigrants, a country of invaders.

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April 28, 2010 9:00 PM    in reply to Jackster

It wasn't European firepower, it was European disease. Wiped out 90% of the population.

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April 28, 2010 7:56 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

Wow, you went from zero to racist in about six seconds. I find it funny that you think that drivel like this is a coherent response to illegal immigration and that your cause is noble. Now go downstairs and get your pizza rolls out of the oven before your mother starts yelling at you.

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April 28, 2010 10:22 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

Why do you hate the Constitution?

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April 29, 2010 4:09 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

Please, Brittanicus, feel free to keep any further thoughts you have hidden in the shadows.

I feel...

A CALL TO FEET . . . to be planted in your posterior.

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April 29, 2010 8:17 PM    in reply to Brittanicus

Listen Brittanicus, you are the original immigrant. I'm not sure if you're descended from England, France or South Africa, but you're the dreaded invader that you shiver in fear over.

Rather than fearing & hating your way through life, try living & appreciating all that you have.

And that one voice you want to get together because you alone are being held down by liberals is just Beck & all of Fox blowing smoke & you inhaling it. You can tea-bag in government parks & use public transit to get there. You can cry socialist/marxism, death panels & any crazy rhetoric that makes you feel good. Most of all you can come on a Liberal blog & rant any paranoid delusion that you care to & all your gonna get is a response.

The enemy is you.

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April 28, 2010 4:11 PM   

There's no such thing as deporting American citizens, as far as I know.

The real question is whether or not the parents of anchor babies should be deported.

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April 28, 2010 4:16 PM    in reply to Capers

That's not what he said. The question was pretty straightforward. Maybe he wasn't listening closely and misunderstood the question, but on its face, his answer clearly means he's in favor of deporting American citizens. And I don't know why anyone would be the least bit surprised at this. He's probably be in favor of deporting anyone who doesn't meet whatever tests he can think of for what is "in [people's] souls".

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April 28, 2010 4:43 PM    in reply to mans_best_friend

He'd better not try to deport my adopted daughter, who's birth mother understood that with all her medical problems, this child could not have survived otherwise. She believed what is written on the Statue of Liberty. Thanks to the fact that my daughter was born in the US, she now is healthy, safe, intellligent, wonderful, and a patriotic citizen who has two loving and patriotic parents. She's three times the American citizen that this Hunter piece of crap is. I'm not advocating everyone should risk what her birthmother did, but dammit, at least either ammend the constitution or live by it.

I wish the teapartiers would learn to read the document they swear by.

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April 28, 2010 5:19 PM    in reply to tdispatch07

"I wish the teapartiers would learn to read the document they swear by."

As succinctly put as I have ever seen.

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April 28, 2010 4:36 PM    in reply to Capers

So I did an exhaustive search and I found an article on the web that had this quote:

"Would you support deportation of natural born American citizens that are the children of illegal aliens?" a man in the audience asked.

"I would have to, yes," Hunter said.

I bet if you Googled or maybe just hit Page Up, you could find that quote too. Deportation of American citizens who are the children of illegal immigrants. Hunter supports it. The fear and hatred he lives with every day must be killing him.

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April 28, 2010 5:56 PM    in reply to Boidster

I wish it were - but you can bet it isn't. Only people with a conscience would be bothered by such a deed. Republicans are literally heart-less.

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April 28, 2010 8:35 PM    in reply to chameleon

agreed.

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April 28, 2010 10:17 PM    in reply to Cornelius

Are you agreein' with me!!!!

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April 29, 2010 1:09 AM    in reply to Boidster

The fear and hatred isn't killing him. He developed a mechanism to override that a long time ago.

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April 28, 2010 4:12 PM   

The GOP has been working extra hard lately to ensure that they never win another national election. They are too stupid to realize that the demographics are shifting - within 20 years, Republicans will be all but extinc in this country.

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April 28, 2010 4:12 PM   

Well fuck it, let's just take it to the max and we all go back to our countries of origin and let the Native Americans have their land back.

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April 28, 2010 4:20 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

Exactly

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April 28, 2010 4:14 PM   

So I guess even carrying papers is a waste of time....just round up all the darkies and send them off? Remember, this isn't about race. Nope, not race.

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April 28, 2010 4:16 PM   

There is so much wrong with what he said that I can't even begin to wrap my head around it.

So now it's not good enough to be a citizen? You have to be sufficiently far enough removed from anyone who is an illegal immigrant to stay here? He's actually advocating that citizens be deported? Seriously?

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April 28, 2010 4:21 PM    in reply to SchrodingersCat

Well, not "real" Americans. Just, you know, "those people".

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April 28, 2010 4:22 PM   

Deport them to where? Seriously? Are they assuming that all illegals are from Mexico?

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April 28, 2010 4:31 PM    in reply to randomname

The racism is obvious for anyone with a brain to see. In New York City the largest single group of illegal aliens is the Irish. But you don't see fat old white guys demanding that the cute redheaded bartender or the nice young guy working that construction site get sent back to Dublin.

No.

Always the brown people. But this has nothing to do with race. Nothing at all.

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April 28, 2010 4:54 PM    in reply to georgecs

I know. And, I do have a brain in my head. It is only astonishing. Each and every time I hear it.

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April 28, 2010 6:37 PM    in reply to randomname

Those Americans would be deported to wherever they were born, which is where they belong...

uh, wait...

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April 28, 2010 4:25 PM   

There's only one group in this country that wants an insecure border: that's the Big Business Republicans who want the cheap labor that crawls across the desert to get to work.

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April 28, 2010 4:30 PM    in reply to dvoconnor

But what they do want is the threat of deportation. That's what gives them the leverage to keep them working in appalling conditions for often less than minimum wage.

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April 28, 2010 5:46 PM    in reply to dvoconnor

The conservative/repugs/teapartiers have a chasm with the corporatists party as wide as the Grand canyon on the issue of illegal immigrants. The corporatists want cheap labor, and as labor is the only thing of real value, and devaluing it is their main goal. They want cheap labor to keep their cost down and profits up.
Corporatist hide in the shadows when the racist/homophobic/xenophobic/know nothings and their enablers/handlers ratchet up the volume on issues that threaten their cheap labor source, hoping they won't have to step in and squelch any real reform to immigration and border control if the racists get too far out of hand.

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April 28, 2010 4:27 PM   

Hunter is not talking about "tracking kids down and deporting them"

Duh, I believe he is, it's what he said: "I would have to, yes."

Now he has to own that statement. No way to clean it up . .

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April 28, 2010 4:30 PM   

And they say that the Dems destroyed the Constitution....

What must the world think of us if we allow this?

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April 28, 2010 4:31 PM   

Well, this would open the floodgates for those who want to round up various groups they don't like.

Personally, I'd like to round up all republicans and send them to Tierra Del Fuego.

We just can't afford to allow them to continue to screw this country up. I hate to be a 'mean guy', but, hey, that's just the way it is.

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April 28, 2010 4:53 PM    in reply to voreason

It would also be nice to round up the teabaggers and deport them to Burma to get a look at what actual totalitarianism is like. And then maybe pack them off to North Korea for a while to see what Stalinism is actually like.

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April 28, 2010 5:21 PM    in reply to voreason

Just curious. What do you have against Tierra del Fuego?

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April 28, 2010 5:56 PM    in reply to voreason

Wrong, Border control is the solution. But 'which border' is the correct question.
Better to fence in Texas (not giving up much there)
and move/deport all the Repub/t- scrotums/xenophobes/racists there where they can live with their own kind exclusively.
It won't be long before these hate filled, shit stains of humanity turn on each other and exact the final solution on each other.
Our job is to ensure that they don't escape no matter how they plead and whine.

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April 29, 2010 1:04 AM    in reply to Ben Thinkin

Epic!

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April 28, 2010 4:35 PM   

My Congressman. I feel so proud. NOT!

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April 28, 2010 4:35 PM   

Well, start with me.

I have no idea if my father was born in this country, and I have doubts about the legality of their entry. (Broke out of prison in Siberia, made their way to Toronto, and then to Chicago in 1912.)

Where does Duncan want to deport me to?

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April 28, 2010 4:37 PM    in reply to dell1

Oh, and what about my children? Are they here legally, and undeportable in DuncanWorld?

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April 28, 2010 4:41 PM    in reply to dell1

If your ancestors were from Siberia, I assume you're not brown, so you're okay...for now.

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April 28, 2010 4:36 PM   

Duncan Hunter must be an idiot genius. The definition of deportation is to return a person from one country to their native country. By definition, America is the native country of an American citizen. Therefore, deporting an American citizen from America would be to return them to America. Way to go GOP!

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April 28, 2010 4:52 PM    in reply to tinsk

Yeah but America doesn't want a bunch of deported immigrants flooding the country. Maybe they'll all have to go live in Charles De Gaulle airport.

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April 28, 2010 4:38 PM   

@dell1

Why, to prison in Siberia, of course!

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April 28, 2010 4:45 PM   

There are no native Americans. Pre-Columbians arrived from Asia via the Bering land bridge.

Everyone should be deported from everywhere back to the Olduvai Gorge, apparently.

You know, things could get a bit tight in there.

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April 28, 2010 4:59 PM    in reply to voreason

Not if we did it in an organized way, over a long enough period of time. See, couples worldwide would be limited to one child. That would halve the number of people each generation. At the same time, we would start reverse-migrating, eastward across the U.S. then to Europe and Africa. American Indians north toward the Bering Straits, Latinos southward and then to Spain or northward along with other Native Americans, etc. All back toward Africa and after enough generations there would be few enough people that we would be comfortable in a small area of NE Africa.

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April 28, 2010 4:46 PM   

The concept of deporting an American citizen is like speaking in double negatives.

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April 28, 2010 4:47 PM   

Perhaps this is the new Birther angle.

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April 28, 2010 6:02 PM    in reply to tinsk

Oh Lord. Don't give them any ideas.

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April 28, 2010 4:48 PM   

The real problem is allowing newborns of illegal immigrants to automatically become 'naturalized' American citizens.

Resolving this issue, when the illegal parents are deported, so are any offspring that are also illegal. This keeps the family together, and removes the huge attractant that has pregnant females killing themselves to get over the border before she gives birth.

This 'naturalization' issue also is responsible for the current baby making frenzy that's happening now with illegals, and documented workers from other countries.

Currently, their offspring are now entitled to all the tax payer funded benefits/services of any other American citizen, however the parents are illegal, work illegally, pay no taxes except sales tax, and if deported, the American offspring are now the responsibility of the state.

This is really not a race issue, but a 'citizenship' issue. This is why real Immigration Reform is necessary and needs to be done this year.

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April 28, 2010 4:51 PM    in reply to Bloggin

Would we all have to prove that all of our ancestors entered the US legally?

Just curious.

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April 28, 2010 4:57 PM    in reply to Bloggin

They are not naturalized citizens. Anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. See United States v. Ark (1898).

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April 28, 2010 5:00 PM    in reply to Bloggin

however the parents are illegal, work illegally, pay no taxes except sales tax

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that you are simply ill-informed, not intentionally using a false right wing talking point to make your case for undoing part of the 14th Amendment.

It is true that many undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes (i.e. FICA and Medicare) using either an invalid Social Security number or a Tax Identification Number (TIN), and empirical evidence tends to show that a large fraction of the economic incidence of these taxes falls on workers.

Some of these same individuals also pay income taxes, assuming their reported adjusted gross incomes are high enough to where they actually have a positive liability.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1424.html

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April 28, 2010 5:14 PM    in reply to Bloggin

This 'naturalization' issue also is responsible for the current baby making frenzy that's happening now with illegals

Who knew the Duggars were illegal?

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April 28, 2010 8:00 PM    in reply to SchrodingersCat

I really did almost fall on the floor laughing at that one.

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April 28, 2010 5:29 PM    in reply to Bloggin

If the Repubs are so dead-set against immigrants having children, how about they stop trying to outlaw abortion? Or maybe they should try funding non-abstinence-based sex-ed classes? Or just make family-planning assistance available to the poor through social services? Free condoms, maybe? Seems to me there's an inconsistency here...

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April 28, 2010 5:37 PM    in reply to Bloggin

Riiight. And the parents of these mythical benefit-collecting children just walk right into government offices and fill out paperwork, right? And of course, said parents wouldn't need to use a fake SSN to get employment, thus paying taxes while being unable to file for a possible refund. Hell, they're probably hiding Saddam's WMDs right under their beds!

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April 28, 2010 6:10 PM    in reply to Bloggin

Ignorami like you are the reason I keep a copy of the Constitution near at hand. 14th Amendment. All children born on US soil are US citizens. You want to change that, it'll take a Constitutional Amendment, not some fucking yahoo thinking it's a dandy idea.

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April 28, 2010 6:53 PM    in reply to Bloggin

"and removes the huge attractant that has pregnant females killing themselves to get over the border before she gives birth. "

Good lord, you make it sound like hordes of women in labor are tossing themselves over the border fence as their babies are crowning.

And as for the issue of 'citizenship' - I agree that our country has a severe deficiency in that department. I think adding several million people to the electorate (who would actually have to demonstrate some level of civic knowledge) could only be a good thing

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April 28, 2010 7:15 PM    in reply to Bloggin

They pay billions into social security that they will never get.

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April 30, 2010 8:10 AM    in reply to margoharris

And they get many billions in EITC, AFDC, WIC, et al.

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April 28, 2010 4:49 PM   

If one of your parents is from Canada and one is from Brazil, where are they going to deport you to? Gezzzzzus....our educational system is failing us. It's an epidemic of stupidity!

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April 28, 2010 5:07 PM    in reply to tdispatch07

Can you deport for Stupid?

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April 28, 2010 5:41 PM    in reply to Brownbagger

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April 28, 2010 6:02 PM    in reply to chameleon

Spent a night in Phoenix once drinking with Danna Delaney and crew of Tombstone. Otherwise, Arizona is a pit. Blech!

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April 28, 2010 7:52 PM    in reply to Brownbagger

name dropper. did you tell voodoo girl about Danna?

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April 28, 2010 8:05 PM    in reply to Cornelius

Shhhhh.

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April 29, 2010 4:21 PM    in reply to Brownbagger

If you could, our population would be devastated.

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April 28, 2010 4:55 PM   

Well, first of all, deporting Americans born on American soil is ILLEGAL, you Republican dunce.

It doesn't matter if they're born out of wedlock to a Klingon on earth illegally, and a Bhutanese in the US illegally.

Second, I challenge this fool to come up with a "you're an American only if its in your soul" test.

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April 28, 2010 5:03 PM   

This has been tried before and rejected by the Supreme Court. The reason the 14th Amendment is as broad as it is - everyone born here is a citizen - is because there was no such thing as "illegal" immigrants in 1868. Immigrants only got split into legal and illegal in the 1870s among fear by the WASP power factions that Irish, Chinese, Japanese and Eastern European immigrants would overwhelm them without restriction. Brown people are just the latest target of this old fear, which is directly contrary to our fundamental view of ourselves as a land of immigrants and new starts.

BTW, the people who say they like "legal" immigrants drive me nuts, because invariably their ancestors would have been targeted by current laws - they just got lucky on the timeline. My father's one of these, but if not for WWII his Baltic ass would not have been welcome. Yet he and people like him oppose "anchor babies" as gaming the system.

If Americans really lived their ideals, citizenship wouldn't be a genetic lottery or a rationed benefit that richer people and those with "special skills" can bend to their advantage. At least this guy's honest about his hypocrisy, I suppose.

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April 28, 2010 6:10 PM    in reply to calbearinillinois

Everyone defending the 14th Amendment and subsequent SC rulings is living in the past. The law now makes no sense and while many people coming here may not understand a lot, this loophole is well understood and exploited with impunity.

The U.S. has its highest unemployment rate in three decades and the largest federal deficit and current account deficits in history. Adding another 5 million people with HS educations (if that) from nations with even shittier public education than we have is not going to make thing better.

Establish an amnesty and rigorously monitored guest worker program, but change the law.

The other thing we need to do is quit worrying about all the "problems" that all the "brown people" have in the Middle East and Central and South Asia and direct our focus to building the economies and our relations with the nations south of our border.

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April 28, 2010 6:58 PM    in reply to Nandemosan

"Everyone defending the 14th Amendment and subsequent SC rulings is living in the past."

I would say the same thing about the 2nd Amendment, but that might get me shot.

By your logic we should probably just scrap the Constitution altogether, as it was written over 200 years ago and so obviously could never apply today.

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April 28, 2010 7:08 PM    in reply to Forrest

By your logic we should probably just scrap the Constitution altogether, as it was written over 200 years ago and so obviously could never apply today.

Of course not, and that's the kind of response one would expect from a Rethug. The Constitution isn't a sacred document and parts of it, like the 2nd and 14th amendments, cause no end of grief.

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April 28, 2010 5:10 PM   

Who's "Stalinist" now? Purge, purge, purge is the GOP response to everything. They probably all rely on emetics and catharctics.

I've never heard talk as stupid as this.

I do believe citizenship is conferred AT BIRTH on anyone born on US soil -- and that includes John McCain, born on US territory in Panama. This man is a Republican idiot.

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April 28, 2010 5:16 PM    in reply to MyMy

Actually, US State Department policy reads:

"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

John McCain acquires his status as natural-born citizen by virtue of his parents being US citizens.

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April 28, 2010 5:11 PM   

APPEASEMENT ! MUNICH 1938 !!!

Can't you see Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street were just trying to help poor Americans achieve their dreams ! BAH WAHH WAHH!

These finest of finance, like Fabulous Fab were just doing their jobs to serve the nation's poor to become homeowners even if it meant Goldman going broke doing it....the GOP was courageously standing between them and the pitchforks.

The mortgage meltdown was the fault of illegal strawberry pickers, and poor folks who cruelly outsmarted the philanthropists Wall Street.

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April 28, 2010 5:14 PM    in reply to NobleCommentDecider

I am so shocked at the GOP giving up on the filibuster of the finance bill I couldn't help posting this mistakenly here.

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April 28, 2010 5:15 PM   

How about just letting all the racists have the old South? They could keep out anyone they wanted, and the rest of us could have a nice, sane, multi-cultural country with health care and child care and unemployment and old age pensions and not be an empire (I supposed we'd have to spend something on defense, since it wouldn't be long before they would be a wreak of a country and try to invade us because of our prosperity.) I am so very sick of people who oppose every logical, progressive and proven idea. As Robert Reich says, if we want to keep Social Security and Medicare, we need more workers and the rational way to get more workers is immigration. Legal immigration that would not allow businesses to pay slave wages and exploit folks.

Sorry - sometimes the rant just slips out.

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April 28, 2010 5:15 PM   

14th amendment, Section 1:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Seems pretty unambiguous to me. Especially the "No State" stuff.

Duncan is clearly in contempt of the Constitution.

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April 28, 2010 5:31 PM   

Sounds an awful lot like ethnic cleansing.

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April 28, 2010 5:35 PM   

Umm, this is craziness - and I think would be completely unconstitutional. Wouldn't they need a constitutional amendment for that?

I wish them luck with their pipe dream de jour.

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April 28, 2010 6:05 PM   

Another one that needs to be deported to whitetrashistan.

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April 28, 2010 6:19 PM   

So that we can maintain our resources for real Americans, we're going to need to sterilize everybody but white Republicans. Unfortunately, white Republican women will be reduced to serving as reproductive vessels, but since exemptions for rape and incest will soon be a thing of the past anyway, this shouldn't be a problem. Then we'll need to build a really big wall around the entire country, to keep everyone out who wants to sneak into this great nation of ours. Not sure yet what to do about Alaska, but we can sink Hawaii.

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April 28, 2010 6:31 PM    in reply to mom2homer

Fortunately ex-Governor Palin trained the Alaska National Guard to be our first line of defense against the Russians, so I think we're all set on that front.

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April 28, 2010 8:16 PM    in reply to mom2homer

Hmmmm, wasn't there a novel by Margaret Atwood along pretty much those lines? And to think I thought it was so far-fetched at the time...

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April 28, 2010 8:17 PM    in reply to slb

Come to think of it, Margaret Atwood is a Canadian. She must be part of the conspiracy!

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April 28, 2010 6:42 PM   

The Know-Nothings are alive and in control of the GOP.

In a 1855 letter to his former law partner, Joshua Speed, Lincoln wrote, "I am not a Know-Nothing." As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."

It is now 150 years later in the Republican party. Just change negroes to Hispanics, foreigners to Arabs, and Catholics to Muslims. Any question that the Know-Knothings control the GOP?

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April 28, 2010 6:51 PM   

Can't you just feel that compassionate conservative vibe?

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April 28, 2010 7:04 PM   

hahahahahahahaha!!! he needs the constitution and bill of rights readtohim.you cannot deport aperson born in the usa. so what if it aperson thatis a minor? who gets 'em? the state? aren't the states strapped for cash? another gop idiot!idon't blame crists for leaving

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April 28, 2010 7:46 PM   

Wonderful. So, just when are the White Eyes departing? We will bring gifts. We will have no reservations.

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April 28, 2010 7:53 PM   

Punkin Hunter is doing his daddy proud!

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April 28, 2010 8:07 PM   

How do you compare the crime of being hungry and crossing the border to the crimes that led to the poverty in that country in the first place? Why are we making the refugees the scapegoats? Why are there no jobs in Mexico? What's our role in their poverty? What? I can't hear you over all the yelling.

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April 28, 2010 8:12 PM   

HAHAHAHA
There are a LOT of these angry old white people whose parents didn't have papers. This will go nowhere.

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April 28, 2010 8:33 PM   

How about if we test drive this approach on Michelle Maulkin first. She's an anchor baby, as it were.

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April 28, 2010 10:13 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Absolutely!! Let's bet on how fast she quotes the Constitution.

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April 28, 2010 9:02 PM   

The United States is perhaps the only country in the world that has anything like the 14th amendment. Other countries don't offer automatic citizenship even when the parents are in the country legally. Should the USA be more like the rest of the world? Hunter apparently thinks so. Yet, I think the 14th says a lot about our history and who we are as a nation.

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April 28, 2010 9:19 PM    in reply to John

Well, maybe we should frame it as why would we want to be European?

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April 28, 2010 10:00 PM    in reply to John

The United States is perhaps the only country in the world that has anything like the 14th amendment. Other countries don't offer automatic citizenship even when the parents are in the country legally.

Um, no. A quick Google search turns up this web page of a law firm that handles Canadian immigration issues. It says:

Persons Born in Canada After February 14, 1977
Section 3(1)(a) of the Current Act states that anyone born in Canada after February 14, 1977 is considered a Canadian citizen.

Or, if Canada's too cold for you, how about part of the constitution of Belize, which says:

24. Every person born in Belize on or after Independence Day shall become a citizen of Belize at the date of his birth:
(Belizean Independence Day was September 21, 1981.)

You may be thinking of Germany, which before 2000 did not grant German citizenship to children born in Germany of non-German parents.

In 2000 the law changed, though. Now even Germany grants German citizenship to children born to non-citizens, as long as the parents have been in Germany legally for a certain amount of time.

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April 28, 2010 10:11 PM    in reply to John

"The United States is perhaps the only country in the world that has anything like the 14th amendment. Other countries don't offer automatic citizenship even when the parents are in the country legally. Should the USA be more like the rest of the world? Hunter apparently thinks so. Yet, I think the 14th says a lot about our history and who we are as a nation."

The United States is perhaps the only country in the world where your ignorance is so very plain to see.

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April 29, 2010 3:10 AM    in reply to John

The troll sez: "The United States is perhaps the only country in the world that has anything like the 14th amendment."

Excepting the other 40 or so countries that consider children born on their soil "natural citizens".

You just like making up lies, and getting out the torch and pitchfork with inflammatory rhetoric without bothering to do a 4-second look-up, doncha?

Perhaps we should, in the interest of the nation, start shipping people out of this country who score less than 120 on a standard IQ test.

I'll happily gift you my frequent flier miles if you promise to leave today.

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April 29, 2010 11:35 PM    in reply to Dunvegan

It seems we are both incorrect. The United States and Canada are the only developed countries to offer automatic citizenship at birth. It's not automatic in other developed countries. In Germany the parents must be legal immigrants, have lived in the country for 8 years, and the child must still apply for citizenship at age 23. It's conditional and not at all in line with 14th amendment. However, 31 developing countries (out of 152) do have birthright laws similar to the USA, but then countries like Azerbaijan don't have immigration issues do they?

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April 28, 2010 10:19 PM   

So, here's the question: What about those whose parents were here when the child were born--say for studies or work--but weren't citizens or resident aliens? Are we getting closer to deporting Michelle Malkin?

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April 28, 2010 10:19 PM   

"primogeniture"

sounds dirty, and is.

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April 29, 2010 12:42 AM   

I support amending the Constitution so that a child without one parent here legally (and on something other than vacation), is not an American citizen. I am even willing to make the children of people on work visas citizens. But children who are born here for no reason other than the unlawful act of their parents should not be citizens on that basis alone.

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April 29, 2010 8:35 AM    in reply to AgathaX

Where would you suggest them to be citizens from???

How are you planning to force some third country to accept them as citizens if they were born here???

How about if, say, S, says "the children born in Mexico, under ____ conditions, are not mexican citizens, they are US citizens". I bet the US would say, OK, send them over.

What you are suggesting is absolutely ridiculous.

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April 29, 2010 11:06 AM    in reply to eb123

What AgathaX is proposing is not unreasonable. The key phrase in Section 1 of the 14th amendment is "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...". US v. Wong Kim Ark devotes a huge amount of text to teasing out a meaning for that phrase. AgathaX is talking about an amendment to change the current definition of that term, more along the lines of the dissent in Ark.

Under AgathaX's proposal, the citizenship of the child would be determined by the citizenship of the parents. If the parents had differing citizenship, then the laws of each parents' country would have to be examined to determine the status of the child. It is entirely possible that the child could have *no* citizenship as a result, but I'm sure that possibility exists today for children born outside the US.

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April 29, 2010 12:44 AM   

Pray for me.

Hunter is my congressman.

This district is so red, you could run Mother Theresa against Hunter and she'd lose in double digits.

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April 29, 2010 12:54 AM   

So Obama can stay, then. His dad was not "illegal", just a student visitor. This guy Hunter should think again. In order to be effective, the new amendment should say "children of non-citizens".

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April 29, 2010 2:21 AM   

Perhaps we should also start deporting children of felons. Or children of people with dual citizenship? Or people with dual citizenship? Or how about deporting those expensive people who serve in the army and get gravely wounded in their quest to "win" citizenship (- even though it clearly states that American military must be citizens to begin with...??)
We should get rid of all those American-born people of Mexican parentage already here, since they unfortunately are victims of the dreadful US education system, and, according to righty think tankers: "By offering US citizenship to qualified foreigners willing to serve a four-year hitch in the military, they wrote in The Washington Post in 2006, "we could continue to attract some of the world's most enterprising, selfless, and talented individuals.""

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April 29, 2010 2:22 AM   

Duncan? DUNCAN???

Let's see that birth certificate, laddy!

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April 29, 2010 2:59 AM   

I nominate the most infamous Republican radical "anchor-baby" extant to be first to volunteer to "return" to the country of her parents' birthplace: Michelle Malkin.

Malkin was born in Philadelphia to Rafaela, a schoolteacher, and Apolo, an aspiring doctor--both Philippine citizens who had arrived in the U.S. earlier that year. At the time, her father was a physician-in-training with an employer-sponsored visa.

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April 29, 2010 6:37 AM   

When are the deported children allowed to return to America? If ever? Do they need a green card or visa to stay?
What about grandchildren and their children, etc?
What if a child cannot be found by the authorities?
Will children be tracked down? While parents are jailed?
What if the child is in the US military serving overseas? What if the child is wounded or dies?

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April 29, 2010 7:08 AM   

What is amazing is that Hunter et al are characterizing these individuals as a drain on our economy. I suppose that he "believes" that none of these children grow up to be productive citizens, ah, like voters, or is that what he is really afraid of?

So where is his amendment to the constitution? Opps, he is doing exactly like many other GOP...using rhetoric, no facts, to garner votes.

As a Texas voter, if the GOP try that legislation here, the response in the Nov election will get rid of these GOP idiots. My representative has a Hispanic Name and was born in Mexico - would Hunter demand that he be deported?

The National Socialist Movement http://www.nsm88.org/ ( a neo-Nazi group) are advocating for this same "cleansing" action - and somehow the Right call the Dems socialists...opps, the GOP are aligning themselves with this group, but maybe to them a vote is a vote. Read their 25 point party thesis and see for yourself!

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April 29, 2010 8:27 AM   

Rather than deporting it sounds like exiling. After all, these kids are from the US and there's no other place for them to go.

Imagine a child born to two illegal mexican immigrants. When you send him/her to Mexico the mexican authorities would say he/she is an illegal immigrant in Mexico and they would deport him/her back to the US.

This Hunter doesn't seem to have much between his ears.

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April 29, 2010 8:57 AM   

A native american friend thought that this was a good idea. Why stop with just the children of illegal immigrants? Grandchildren...Greatgrandchildren...

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April 29, 2010 9:07 AM   

Countries that do not grant citizenship to children born within their borders end up with a permanent subclass of noncitizen residents who have little motivation to assimilate into, enrich or be part of the local culture. See for an example, the unrest in Paris suburbs among Muslim immigrant youths.

Granting citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants brings everyone into the fold, so to speak.

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April 29, 2010 10:43 AM   

Oh, this is all overblown griping.

Clearly this guy is a scientific genius who has created a device that sees into your soul to determine if you're sufficiently American, since that's the criteria he's offering up.

I imagine next he'll come up with a practical "Gaydar" you can put together with parts from Radio Shack, a crystal radio kit and a wok.

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April 29, 2010 2:48 PM   

Hey Progressives,

What's wrong with you all?

Rep. Hunter is on point, the 14th Amendment was never intended for illegal aliens or their children to become citizens...don't you seditious bastards know how to read the Constitution?

So of course such children should follow their parents back to their parent's country of origin when the illegals are deported, its the most humane thing to do.

WE DON'T WANT TO BREAK UP FAMILIES, DO WE?

I'm amazed at the nerve of most illegals from Mexico whom pay over $2,000 to a "coyote", "mule" drugs for the cartels while risking their lives and their children's lives crossing the border for a $10 per hour shit job in the U.S. This same prideful illegal from Mexico will cheer and wave the Mexican Flag for the Mexican home team vs the USA team in soccer, most of these same illegals even throw urine bombs at the USA team. Now progressives tell us its inhuman to send these same illegals back to their native "Mexico" which they are very proud of with their children?

Insanity...no wonder liberalism is a mental disorder!


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April 29, 2010 3:47 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

F**k off troll. We do not have to engage you.

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April 29, 2010 4:17 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

I am so impressed. Not only are you a constitutional scholar, but you keep track of every illegal Mexican's soccer rooting behavior. You da man!

Just don't sit near me, 'k? You smell like #1.

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April 29, 2010 5:52 PM    in reply to DugFmJamul

Now that you've clarified the real meaning of 14th amendment, please get cracking on the 2nd amendment, as we all know it was never intended to give people the right to carry semi-automatic weapons, or to bring concealed guns into national parks or Starbucks. And what's that freedom of religion stuff about the 1st amendment? Everyone knows the founding fathers would have been mega church fundamentalists if they'd had loud speakers and synthesizers back then.

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April 29, 2010 6:11 PM    in reply to mom2homer

You seditious bastards sure don't know how to read the Constitution, why not?

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April 30, 2010 12:10 AM   

Hey douche bag, read this:
"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It doesn't say citizen you nAZi puke.

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April 30, 2010 4:39 AM   

You cannot deport American citizens, they have as much legal right to be here as the wingnuts who want to do the deporting.

You can (or should be able to) deport the illegal immigrant parents, but the baby remains a citizen wherever he/she grows up.

I would support a Constitutional Amendment bestowing citizenship on those born of persons (mothers) who are in the country legally, and those born to citizens - including those born outside the U. S., with verification. This would close a couple of citizenship loopholes without persecuting anyone.

At the time of the Founding, citizenship was not tracked or recorded. You were a citizen if you swore you were. Then there was a requirement for a corroborating witness. Given the low population and the slowness of transportation, securing the border was not feasible. Even locating the border was difficult. How things have changed.

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April 30, 2010 9:25 AM   

The citiens are not being deported. The illegal alien parents are. There is nothing in the constitution that gives an unemancipated minor the right to live independently of his or her gaurdians. Thus, absent emancipation or a legal US gaurdian the child goes with the parents. The child can return when he or she reaches legal age, is emancipated, or if a legal gaurdian is found. There is no obligation to allow the parents, who chose to break immigration law in the first place, to stay simply because they have a US born child.

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May 3, 2010 3:15 PM   

I know I am one the very few who agree with Mr. Hunter, and I'm okay with that. You can't use your kids as leverage to stay in America. The same amount of time that they are protesting could be the same amount of time that they can be applying for citizenship in America.
Pay the fees, take the classes, take the oath to become an American citizen!

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May 12, 2010 7:28 AM   

I don't know how often The "we" this winger speaks of turns out to be nothing more than itself and the other beer-bellied boys at the bar who think and speak precisely as it does.I have a tendency to discount anyone who uses the royal "we" while thundering from their throne,porcelain or otherwise.If I have any enemies in this country it's the racist twits at numbers or FAIR who'd dictate to others even as they snivel about not being dictated to.I'd take your advice about the websites,but I have this thing about not turning over rocks and disturbing what lives beneath.

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May 20, 2010 4:50 PM   

How far back would Mr Hunter like us to go in determining who is here legally and who isn't? Parents? Grandparents? Farther back? Are we digging up Reagan and sending him "back" to Ireland? He admitted at least one of his grandparents was here illegally.

Schwarzenegger used to admit it too. He came over on a short term visa and stayed after it ran out.

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