Former Rep. Tancredo: Send Obama Back To Kenya!

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bibimimi

April 19, 2010 12:16 PM in reply to NuttyProf

Seig...

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:53 PM in reply to bibimimi

Hell NO!

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datora

April 19, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to NuttyProf

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April 19, 2010 2:34 PM in reply to NuttyProf

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April 19, 2010 3:38 PM in reply to dophouse

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dophouse

May 9, 2010 11:42 AM in reply to midnight rambler

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mJJ

April 20, 2010 2:34 AM in reply to NuttyProf

Actually after talking to many moderate Republicans, we are ready to leave the party. We do not tolerate the horrible racism of the birther crowd nor the disgusting rabble rousing of drips like Tancredo. As moderate Republicans we feel totally embarrassed by the mainstream Republicans and this racist rhetoric will drive us right into the arms of the Democrats. I find Tancredo's disgusting speech to be racist, unGodly and abhorent. Please note everyone, Tancredo et al do NOT represent me in any way, shape or form. Republicans seem to have missed the message we sent them last national election and still insist on their racist rhetoric that is so unGodly. So Mr. Tancredo, keep it up at your own election peril.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 10:32 AM

These folks won't be satisfied until someone actually tries to kill Obama.

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April 19, 2010 10:52 AM in reply to chameleon

You know chamee, this is a very real concern for me, for you, and for soooo many other people. I can't even summon up enough interest to debate rhetorical issues with the other side any more. Issues of the size of the federal government, equity of thtax system, foreign affairs. I am so preoccupied with my children in the military and the looming aspect of violence against this President.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:15 AM in reply to larsvanness

Good morning my friend. I hear you loud and clear. This guy is a former senator no less. These people are beyond despicable and nothing but a bunch of cowards

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 11:51 AM in reply to chameleon

The more the public leaves them behind, the more desperate their rhetoric becomes. Thy think they are winning back converts, but they are really distilling it all down to the worst elements, down to that lawless mob that has always been there for people like Tancredo.

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JimmyBobby

April 19, 2010 12:21 PM in reply to chameleon

I don't know about their personal bravery, though I do question it. What they are is racists, through and through. Not in the sense of, they'd laugh at a joke at the expense of a black person, or have a problem living next door to a black person. I'm talking serious racism, people who are terrified of dark skin, who desperately need to feel that there's someone they are innately superior to (since there's little chance of them garnering superiority through brains or hard work). It's as deep a fear as the fear of being eaten by a shark. It's racism, fear of the dark-skinned, fear of not being superior simply by the accident of being born white. Lizard brains, one and all.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:39 PM in reply to JimmyBobby

South Carolina seems to be the nest where so many of these fearful people are hatched from, all the way back to the Civil War and beyond.

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PSzymeczek

April 19, 2010 1:35 PM in reply to JEP07

I am so happy I got out of that hellhole!

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leadersgoner

April 19, 2010 12:50 PM in reply to JimmyBobby

Lizard brains, totally. Interesting, though...some of the things he said about Republicans I (dem/centrist) actually felt a little sympathy for! I didn't realize the extent to which the tea party views the Republicans as an enemy camp.

I wonder, are these tea partiers going to vote for Republicans in November? Or is an anti-Republican tea party going to take hold of the far-right? Can the Republicans pull these people back in? They've got their tea party rallies to go to now...

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JimmyBobby

April 19, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to leadersgoner

I'm sure there are a lot of Reps who don't know whether they should be putting distance between themselves and these fools or outright catering to them. A quandary I'm glad for the GOP to be in!

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wial

April 20, 2010 8:23 AM in reply to leadersgoner

I know it could backfire badly and leave us with the choice of attending mass rallies or prison, but maybe it's in our interest to encourage the formation of an official tea party for the ballots in November. Divide and conquer worked for the British and the computer industry, why not for progressives?

Also, I wonder how many teabaggers were Perot supporters?

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Cal Gal

April 19, 2010 5:00 PM in reply to JimmyBobby

Very interesting article in the New Yorker about the evolution of "race" in general, and the "white" race in particular. Upshot is that the term "white" had historically been defined in a defensive way ... "Well, we're not THEM" kind of thing. The more diverse society becomes, the more defensive people become who see themselves mainly in terms of being "white." Worth a read for anyone truly interested in the psychology of the Tea Partiers. (Sorry, I don't have a link. I actually read the magazine on PAPER.)

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2010/04/12/100412crbo_books_sanneh?currentPage=all

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pikaomega

April 19, 2010 6:25 PM in reply to Cal Gal

If this is it, it is brilliant...

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sophie

April 19, 2010 7:02 PM in reply to JimmyBobby

Great comment, and sadly so true.

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patmcgrowen

April 19, 2010 9:31 PM in reply to JimmyBobby

I think "superiority" sums up the mind frame of the fringe-tastic GOP. And I think that the forecasted statistic that white will be the new minority has really freaked some people out. I have witnessed this.

They not only have the feeling of superiority but their policies reflect it as well. They embrace policy that exhorts their superiority on immigrants, gays, and women. They are proud of their moral superiority, ironically just like the Pharisees. They want to maintain and expand income inequality, allowing the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, exuding their financial superiority. Heck they probably even believe that because they are considered the "right" everyone else is wrong.

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jfarrell709

April 19, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to chameleon

Actually, Tancredo was a representative in Congress.

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mjeffn

April 19, 2010 12:02 PM in reply to larsvanness

I'm floating in the same boat with you Lars. It's hard to get interested in debating without context nonsense. It's going to get interesting from this point forward. I don't think we can even make a suitable metaphor out of the Know Nothing Party of the past. This is a new beast entirely. The I Want to Know Nothing Because I will Make Whatever Shit Up I Want To Get My Way Party. Not in my 55 years, or my father's 82 years have either of us witnessed a time when everybody is so pissed off.

It seems the gun bunnies are itching to open fire and it's feeling like the rest of the country is daring them. I wonder if our National Guard and Army are up to putting a home brewed insurrection down. They didn't have a problem shooting unarmed students at Kent State. It worries me how readily these nuts default to violence as the solution to loosing an election.

I worry about my young adult children too, and the future of what will be their reality.

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April 19, 2010 1:35 PM in reply to mjeffn

That's exactly what I have been reading in so many of your comments here. Bring us a reasoned thoughtful argument or stay home. I share your concern for our children as well. I hope that your father keeps in good health so that you and he will enjoy many more enlightening conversations.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 1:48 PM in reply to mjeffn

Such a good post. They were bad during Clinton's time but they are far worse now. All this screaming about Obama taking away their liberties when he hasn't taken a damn thing away from them, but they don't care about the truth because as you said they are
"a new beast entirely. The I Want to Know Nothing Because I will Make Whatever Shit Up I Want To Get My Way Party"

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patmcgrowen

April 19, 2010 9:52 PM in reply to chameleon

"The I Want to Know Nothing Because I will Make Whatever Shit Up I Want To Get My Way Party"

I think the term "Willfully Ignorant" best describes them. Not only do they not want to know any better, they refuse to even consider it. I watched a compelling show on Planet Green appropriately called "The Age of Stupid" giving a very disturbing picture of the future planet in 2055 and what its inhabitants will think of us. Does this ever cross their minds? O.k., so you don't "think" climate change is real, but what if your wrong? A planet and our future generations will be marred by a rapidly declining existence and constant wars for resources. Is that really worth not funding some wind turbines and solar panels? Is it worth sucking the planet dry of petroleum and consuming as much energy as possible? Is it worth it to not have to really try to recycle? On the other hand, if we are wrong, we will have a cleaner, energy independent planet where we produce our own energy. But all this falls on the deaf ears of the willfully ignorant. Will all that debt matter to the future generations, if their planet becomes inhabitable? But of course, most of the Tea Party will be dead by then.

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Cal Gal

April 19, 2010 5:11 PM in reply to mjeffn

I might have said that, too, but then I visited the Viet Nam Memorial in DC and all the old, buried feelings came flooding back in. That was a terrible, terrible time of anger, too.

But in general it was anger about a REAL issue, not this phony, ginned up anger of the Tea Parties.

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loria

April 19, 2010 10:54 AM in reply to chameleon

They are working hard to make it happen.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:12 AM in reply to loria

They certainly are.

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Jackster

April 19, 2010 10:56 AM in reply to chameleon

TRIES???

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:30 AM in reply to Jackster

So far I don't know of anyone who has actually tried do you????

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Jackster

April 19, 2010 5:04 PM in reply to chameleon

You original post was "they won't be satisfied until someone tries" my point is they won't be satisfied until someone does.

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April 19, 2010 11:03 AM in reply to chameleon

He added, referring to President Obama: "If his wife says Kenya is his homeland, why don't we just send him back?"

"Never did I hear any type of racial slur," said William Owens, a black Tea Party activist from Nevada who joined in the D.C. protests Saturday.

I don't know what side of town this man comes from but tom tancredo's remark sounds pretty racist to me.

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loria

April 19, 2010 11:14 AM in reply to larsvanness

He's from the Nevada side of town, although I'm pretty sure he doesn't think like most of the African Americans from Greenville.

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CityGuy

April 19, 2010 11:24 AM in reply to loria

So Tancredo would go back to Italy then I presume?

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:28 AM in reply to CityGuy

I think Mexico - he's not Italian by any stretch of the imagination...

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boo_lala

April 19, 2010 11:44 AM in reply to chameleon

He is Italian. His parents were immigrants. I am almost certain, given his frothing vitriol, that ex-Sen Tancredo has an immigration skeleton in his closet. Maybe his mother hadn't quite finished the process of citizenship when he was born. Maybe there was some fudging on the immigration forms. I don't know. But I think history has shown that the most hate-filled advocates tend to be hiding the very thing they claim to despise. See for example, Ted Strickland, Sen Macaca Allen, Jimmy Swaggert, etc...Hell, Hitler was part Jewish.

If I had a more obsessive mind, and more free time, I would spend my time trying to find that dirty little secret for both Tancredo and Orly Taitz--A little sunshine to help them out of their closeted misery.

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boo_lala

April 19, 2010 12:11 PM in reply to boo_lala

On the other hand, I don't think it's OK to "out" Lindsey Graham because, although he is a Republican, he's never been a champion of anti-gay causes.

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JefferyK

April 19, 2010 12:38 PM in reply to boo_lala

Oh really?

* Support the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. (Aug 2008)
* Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
* Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
* Amend Constitution to define traditional marriage. (Jun 2008)

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:40 PM in reply to JefferyK

amazing how much damage he did from his closet...

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leadersgoner

April 19, 2010 12:54 PM in reply to JefferyK

Yes, but...there's a chance he might be gay, you see.

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boo_lala

April 19, 2010 1:09 PM in reply to JefferyK

OK, OK, out away. I don't think he's really that much in the closet though.

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April 19, 2010 2:07 PM in reply to JefferyK

maybe he's just a queer who doesn't want to end up being bound by marriage.

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whitenoise100

April 19, 2010 12:36 PM in reply to boo_lala

Ted Strickland is my governor, and while he is not as reliably progressive as I would like, I think it's a little unfair to lump him in with Tancredo, Allen and Swaggert (not to mention Hitler). Am I missing something here?

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gmachlin

April 19, 2010 12:48 PM in reply to whitenoise100

I think he meant Ted Haggard, the uber-closeted, homophobic reverend who got caught doing meth with a gay hooker. Wow, that sentence was fun to type.

This is *really* starting to worry me. I keep tabs on right-wing violence (Jim David Adkisson's 2008 murder of two Tennessee Unitarians, complete with manifesto saying he wanted to "kill all the liberals;" Roeder's murder of Dr. Tiller, quite possibly incited by Bill O'Reilly; Richard Poplawksi, who uploaded a Glenn Beck video about FEMA camps then went out and killed three Pittsburgh cops because Obama was going to take away his guns; and I always include the murder of the head of the Arkansas Democratic Party, Bill Gwatney, since I'm convinced that was a political assassination as well.)

That's just since July of 2008. In the past year and three-quarters. That O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity et. al. *know* these killings have taken place and continue to vent their hateful rhetoric tells us all we need to know about them. They quite literally do not care if further Americans die.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:55 PM in reply to gmachlin

"I think he meant Ted Haggard, the uber-closeted, homophobic reverend who got caught doing meth with a gay hooker..."

It is even fun to copy and paste it!

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wpamos

April 19, 2010 1:14 PM in reply to JEP07

I'm having fun reading it, too!

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boo_lala

April 19, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to gmachlin

Oops. Sorry. Yes I did mean Ted Haggard. Apologies.

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whitenoise100

April 19, 2010 4:20 PM in reply to boo_lala

No worries.

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windowpane

April 19, 2010 12:45 PM in reply to boo_lala

I love my Italian friends and relatives but have never been able to comprehend the bigoted attitudes of some of the older ones. When their ancestors first arrived, they were spit on and were not even considered as being White. When subsequent waves of immigrants from other countries arrived, it was the Italian-Americans who were doing the spitting. Go figure?

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 1:07 PM in reply to boo_lala

I stand corrected for sure. I never bothered to look it up I always presumed. My bad...

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PSzymeczek

April 19, 2010 1:39 PM in reply to boo_lala

Boo_lala, did you mean Ted Haggard rather than Ted Strickland?

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Cornelius

April 19, 2010 3:41 PM in reply to boo_lala

I don't have the time either but here's a sample that's been going around for a while. As a Viet Vet I took interest in this because I can't take the wrapped-in-the-flag chicken hawks.

A "Rocky Mountain News" article recounts:

It was reported that in 1970, after Tancredo's student deferments ran out, he appealed his 1-A draft status, which would have put him at the top of the list for draft eligibility during the Vietnam War.

Tancredo said he didn't remember it that way. But he said he was given a 1-Y status, which put him at the bottom of the list, when he reported that he had been treated for mental illness as a teenager.

Tancredo said he was diagnosed with depression when he was 16 or 17 and received medication for five years for panic attacks and bouts of anxiety and depression....

In a radio interview, Tancredo was quoted saying "I did not serve. I could not serve, but I certainly wish that I had that opportunity."

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Cornelius

April 19, 2010 3:47 PM in reply to Cornelius

He also lost a ton of $$$ in a hedge fund investment about a year ago. Maybe that's why he's out from under his rock.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:08 PM in reply to chameleon

sheesh, if Tancredo WAS Mexican he'd make himself leave the country...

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FreemanW

April 19, 2010 3:34 PM in reply to CityGuy

Tancredo could take his bro Carl Paladino with him.

With the toobs of the Interwebs, they can send out their racist and sexist emails from anywhere.

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MollyNYC

April 19, 2010 2:57 PM in reply to larsvanness

Tancredo's racism isn't a huge surprise, considering he ran for president on the "Let's stick it to Mexican immigrants" platform.

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Leftflank

April 19, 2010 6:56 PM in reply to MollyNYC

Is Lou Dobbs jealous? Are they the same guy? You never see them at the same (tea-parties). I'm just sayin'.

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booch221

April 19, 2010 11:08 AM in reply to chameleon

They won't be satisfied until someone succeeds.
What a bunch of sickos.

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April 19, 2010 11:09 AM in reply to chameleon

I'm not even going to debate the issues here any more. I am just going to use this site to express my outrage at the inflamatory rhetoric designed to incite the followers of this dispicable movement.

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tk

April 19, 2010 12:24 PM in reply to larsvanness

Hello Marine. It's the moderate office-holding Republicans who are the only ones who can walk the dialogue back, but I don't see them doing it, I don't see anyone holding them responsible or making them take a position. Moderate Republicans are cowards.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:43 PM in reply to tk

and the more they lose, the more they cross the loyalty line in their vain attempt to revisit the Leave it to Beaver era.

For people stuck permanently in time, progress is a real bitch.

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tk

April 19, 2010 1:30 PM in reply to JEP07

It will be fun to watch moderate Republicans grovel to Sarah Palin in 2011-2012, but there will be real social consequences if the rhetoric doesn't cool down

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 2:53 PM in reply to tk

speaking of sarah palin. I got this from The Plum Line.

Palin: Founding Fathers Wouldn’t Agree With Separation Of Church And State
A bunch of people have already had some fun with Sarah Palin’s claim, at a religious gathering in Kentucky, that religion shouldn’t be “separated” from the state.
Word of Palin’s assertion came in an article in the Louisville Courier-Journal about an evangelical women’s conference featuring Palin. It quotes Palin as saying: “God shouldn’t be separated from the state.”

But I’ve got a full transcript of Palin’s remarks, and it’s worse than you might have thought: She cited the Founding Fathers as proof that God shouldn’t be separated from the state. Peter Smith, the Courier-Journal reporter who broke the story, sends over the full context of her remarks:

I beg you, Women of Joy, to bring light and be involved, loving America and praying for her. Really, it is our solemn duty. Praying for true spiritual awakening to overcome deterioration. That is where God wants us to be. Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state, our Founding Fathers, they were believers. And George Washington, he saw faith in God as basic to life.

This is substandard history. In reality, the separation of church and state, thanks in part to the efforts of those very same Founding Fathers, is enshrined in the Bill of Rights:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And the phrase “separation of church and state” is generally associated with a letter written by Founding Father Thomas Jefferson in which he interpreted the above clause along those lines.

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April 19, 2010 3:14 PM in reply to chameleon

Well why am I not surprised that sarah doesn't make one bit of sense here. The only thing she got right is the 1st Amendment. But on reflection I am inclined to think that she is merely pandering to the religious right in order to elicit those fat speaking fees much the same way that a T-V evangelist uses religion to elicit donations for their own personal material well being.

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PSzymeczek

April 19, 2010 1:44 PM in reply to JEP07

It was an era that wasn't even real. It existed only on TV and in our imaginations. The Way We Never Were by Stephanie Coontz is a recommended read.

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Hank

April 19, 2010 5:44 PM in reply to larsvanness

As if we ever debated issues on the internet. What planet are you from anyway?

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datora

April 19, 2010 1:16 PM in reply to chameleon

Actually, I don't think the mere attempt will satisfy their soulless bloodlust. This is a full-blown lynch mob, and it won't reach their perverted orgasm until they have a smoldering corpse to gawk at.

Or their nurses finally changes their diapers and brings tapioca and ovaltine. Whichever comes first.

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mJJ

April 19, 2010 10:58 PM in reply to chameleon

If this keeps up, I shall change parties. I will not be associated with an UNGODLY, racist crowd led by such a racist as Tancredo. AND, I am not alone. Tancredo may couch his bile in this more aqcceptable lingo but he is an out and out racist. As a lifelong Republican, I have heard him on his tirades and it is totally unacceptable. He may grab a couple of Southern Democrats with his swill, but no respectable Republican could accept his tirade as anything but sheer racism. So go ahead, Tom, make my day. I am sick to death of the racists in our party and I know a bunch of others who are just as adament as I am. Shoot off your racist swill and you will soon be talking to a crowd of racist, unGodly, disgusting people. God created everpone and he makes no junk, Tom. Well, Tom, you do make me wonder about that statemtn but, it still stands till I hear differently from God. But racists do make me wonder if that rule still applies.
mJJ.

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farnsworth

April 19, 2010 10:34 AM

Teh Stoopid, it burns!

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davcbr

April 19, 2010 10:36 AM

Been a long time since I've heard "Send the Ni**ers back"

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loria

April 19, 2010 10:45 AM in reply to davcbr

Amazing isn't it? They don't see their racism. These morons can't see that his father was from Kenya. His father. Not his distant relatives. Most of us identify to a degree with the country of our ancestor's homeland. Yet, despite having aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings, grandmother, etc still in Kenya, Obama isn't supposed to talk of that country at all or it makes it obvious he was secretly born there despite being born in the US to a US citizen whose family fought WW2.

These people are just racist idiots (and all you trolls out there have no need to talk about how the race card is being thrown. If racists didn't say racist things, there would be no need to talk about any of this).

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:20 AM in reply to loria

Agreed Loria. Good post...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/opinion/17blow.html

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hewhohasnoname

April 19, 2010 12:02 PM in reply to loria

Charles Blow talked about race and the Tea Party in his last column. An excerpt is below:

"A Mighty Pale Tea"

"I found the imagery surreal and a bit sad: the minorities trying desperately to prove that they were 'one of the good ones'; the organizers trying desperately to resolve any racial guilt among the crowd. The message was clear: How could we be intolerant if these multicolored faces feel the same way we do?"

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donquijoterocket

April 19, 2010 4:34 PM in reply to davcbr

And if Tommy-tan-lines Tancredo hadn't had someone listening he'd probably have probably added the real racist's kicker "swimming with a Mexican under each arm". there's a reason Tommy didn't contest for his seat last time round.

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loria

April 19, 2010 10:37 AM

Isn't it great to hear a minister talk about how he was trained to defend the liberties of this country? So, he's going to suit up, get his gun and go to Washington and do what he was trained to do. I wonder where he got that training. The seminary? The Gospels? How can this man actually call himself a Christian minister and be preaching this garbage? Apparently he has taken Christ right out of his religion.

SC, and Greenville, in particular is so far to the right it is just plain scary. They talk of family values. Yet, SC has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates, highest rate of violence per capita, and one of the highest rates of domestic violence. Now, that's some family values. Once again a beautiful state and a city (Greenville) with so much to offer, shows the reality of how many actually think. The part that most concerns me is that this isn't isolated. A lot of people think like this and feel perfectly justified spewing their hate.

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mikedrevguy

April 19, 2010 11:39 AM in reply to loria

were you to translate this "preacher's" (and I do use this descriptor VERY loosely) into arabic, making subtle changes of geographical reference, play it at an Al Qaeda gathering - there would be almost no difference in the rhetoric being used. Sad to watch folks become what they fear most.

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windowpane

April 19, 2010 6:04 PM in reply to loria

I had some real concerns for my friends daughter who is attending Clemson on an academic scholarship. But she pretty much stays on campus and avoids the towns.

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Matt Jones

April 19, 2010 10:42 AM

this is the end of America right here

Well, they got *that* part right - if these neo-fascist secessionist assholes get ahold of any of the levers of power, we're all fucked.

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April 19, 2010 11:25 AM in reply to Matt Jones

Where is the line of the crimes of treason or sedition crossed. They seem to be right up on it.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:00 PM in reply to Rick Jones

...under Bush, this would have crossed the line long ago.

Tabcredo and Iowa's Steve King look and sound so much alike, someone should do a cartoon with them starring as "TweedleDumb and TweedleDumber."

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:10 PM in reply to JEP07

But maybe he really meant "This is the end of Amerika"

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S1

April 19, 2010 10:43 AM

Don't get me wrong: I'm glad we won the civil war and (sort of) ended slavery. Still, some times I can't help wishing we'd just let South Carolina and other states of that sort just go away.

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loria

April 19, 2010 10:46 AM in reply to S1

SC hasn't never gotten over the Civil War.

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lisast

April 19, 2010 12:47 PM in reply to S1

I totally agree with you. Can we give Texas back to the Mexico?

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April 19, 2010 12:48 PM in reply to S1

Problem is, then we'd have 11 banana republics strewn along our southern border. And under their constitution, they'd all still have to be slaveholding states.

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leadersgoner

April 19, 2010 12:58 PM in reply to S1

Guys, I'm from the south. I have relatives, upbringing, everything.

I'm...so...sorry. About this. Please forgive us. Someday.

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April 19, 2010 1:06 PM in reply to leadersgoner

Like your picture. I was brung up in NC, where they tried to tell us slavery was just an exceptionally rigorous apprenticeship program and the Great Slaveholders' Revolt was intended to protect "our negroes" from exploitation by the filthy Yankee capitalists.

Or something like that.

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April 19, 2010 1:46 PM in reply to Capn Chucky

Capn Chucky, I grew up in Boston and I love the south and I love southerners, black and white, and I just don't believe that this will gain traction there. So many people that I have met in Nashville, Paris, Tenn, Memphis, Mobile and Birmingham have embraced social progress in the last thirty years. These antics will be just as condemned by them as anywhere else in the country. This rally could have just as taken place in Michigan, Minnesota or Ohio.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 1:51 PM in reply to larsvanness

Do you really think so Lars? Yes this could have been in Michigan or somewhere else but don't you think it is a prevailing attitude in the south.

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April 19, 2010 2:16 PM in reply to chameleon

You know chameleon the last time I was in nashville was for a wedding in 1998. The daughter of a distant cousin who was also a close friend. And this is a very old southern family with roots going back to the Ante-bellum South. It was a Baptist affair with a minister from Birmingham who had seen service with Lord in Guadalajara, Mexico. He and his wife, who was from a genteel Mobile, Alabama, family had adopted four Mexican childrena and raised them in their home as their own and were obviously quite proud of them as they grew into adults. African-Americans had been invited to the ceremony and reception. The term n****r was not heard nor used in the telling of family times. No body sported confederate flags--in fact I only saw two through the entire trip, and one was in NY. Change comes at a different pace for different peoples but it does indeed come. I chat with cousins very infrequently now and rarely ever about politics but I haven't yet heard anyone complain to the extant that the teabaggers would have us believe. Like I have pointed out to you before, we have bigger fish to skewer here. And I think that holds true for an awful lot of folks caught in the middle of hard times with family in the military, putting children through college and taking care of loved ones. The demographics for teabaggers don't even remotely resemble mainstream "real Americans." The "real Americans" are right here among us. I hope this will help you here.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 2:23 PM in reply to larsvanness

I listen intently to every word. Thank you for that perspective....

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April 19, 2010 2:26 PM in reply to larsvanness

You're right that it's not a universal attitude, maybe not even a majority attitude anymore (when I lived there in the 60s, it definitely was).

But what they taught me in North Carolina History class was pretty much as I described it.

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georgecs

April 19, 2010 10:46 AM

When you hear filth like this spewed so easily and violently, it's not hard to imagine THEM erecting internment and relocation camps for liberals, socialists, and other "traitors."

All one has to do is listen to the things they accuse others of plotting to know precisely what these throwbacks would do if they got any power at all. It's like people being shocked SHOCKED! at what the Nazis were up to - folks they wrote it all down and gave speeches about it.

We have seem the enemy. Let us not be afraid to engage.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to georgecs

"it's not hard to imagine THEM erecting internment and relocation camps for liberals, socialists, and other "traitors."

There are some who suspect all those razor-wire-lined detention camps they supposedly built were intended for just that; when "the permanent Republican majority" was exposed for cheating on elections, they were preparing to deal with the rioters, those "liberals, socialists, and other "traitors." who no doubt would have risen up to defy that profane phony majority.

PS if you drive by a complex surrounded by razor-wire, want to know when that razor wire is there to imprison people, not protect property from intruders?...when razor wire leans inward, it is to keep someone in, when it leans outward, it is to keep someone out, so you can tell at a glance if it is a holding facility or a security lot just by the lean of the wire.)

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The BBQ Chicken Madness

April 19, 2010 10:47 AM

Uh, where's the video of Tancredo?

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:18 AM in reply to The BBQ Chicken Madness

Is this snark or are you insinuating this didn't happen because there is no video. I am sure we can find the actual video if you need proof

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April 19, 2010 11:43 AM in reply to chameleon

Ignore this jerk.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:46 AM in reply to larsvanness

I didn't want to take the time to look him/her up so I gave it the benefit of the doubt even though I presumed he/she or it is a jerk...

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April 19, 2010 12:54 PM in reply to chameleon

I did and there is no bio and no history of recent posts.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 1:09 PM in reply to larsvanness

Well that's interesting because he has posted here before.

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The BBQ Chicken Madness

April 19, 2010 2:04 PM in reply to chameleon

Yeah, I wondered about that myself. *shrugs*

Either way...they seem to have changed the headlines multiple times now, currently settling on "WATCH: Videos from the Rally". TPM has gotten so sloppy with it's headline writing lately. I'm glad they fixed it.

I'd still like to see video of Tancredo's speech, which I'm sure is out there somewhere...

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The BBQ Chicken Madness

April 19, 2010 12:53 PM in reply to chameleon

I'm not insinuating anything. I have no doubt that Tancredo would say something like this. The story's headline implied there was video, and I was asking where it was. Calm down.

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expat46

April 19, 2010 2:05 PM in reply to The BBQ Chicken Madness

Also, the video of Pastor Craig seems to have been removed.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 4:00 PM in reply to The BBQ Chicken Madness

I wasn't sure if it was a snark. Thanks for the clarification.

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April 19, 2010 10:49 AM

Once again, Texas and Oklahoma breathe a sigh of relief as South Carolina continues to be our most embarrassing state.

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loria

April 19, 2010 11:15 AM in reply to traitorjoe

It's a tough competition, but SC does always seem to lead the way.

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berliner2

April 19, 2010 10:50 AM

Lindsay Graham gay? I am shocked, shocked, to learn that there is gambling in this casino!

And, by the way: Tancredo? What kind of a name is that? There is a number of places that I can think of that you could send this guy "back" to. In not one of them would he last for more than fifteen minutes.

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April 19, 2010 10:51 AM

Let's remember our hero Strom Thurmond! He would never mix the races! Oh wait, never mind.

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georgecs

April 19, 2010 10:53 AM in reply to traitorjoe

He wouldn't mix the races, but apparently he had no problem mixing DNA in an under aged teenage maid in a closet.

Racist fuck.

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fred17

April 19, 2010 10:54 AM

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of the tea party. It is an area which we call "The Twilight Zone".

with apologies to rod serling

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 11:55 AM in reply to fred17

"The Tealight Zone?"

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mjeffn

April 19, 2010 12:13 PM in reply to fred17

:)

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ru4862

April 19, 2010 10:57 AM

Sadly, those who make racial inflammatory remarks, don't think their racist. Also, i don't know why Ed Shulz has Rep. Tancredo as a frequent guest on his show?

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dustbunny44

April 19, 2010 10:58 AM

I can't help thinking this is the loony-bin fringe, a minority of ignorance, yet they're getting so much media exposure. A few hundred or a few thousand of these partiers get much more news play than hundreds of thousands did protesting the Iraq war several years ago. They are actually not the problem.

And I am trying to keep in mind that these folks are our fellow countrymen and fellow workers, victims of the same anti-tax, anti-social services forces that we are all being affected by. And that we should not waste our time being offended by or afraid of them, but should keep our focus on the even smaller numbers of people who both actually benefit from reduced taxes on the wealthy and want that to continue or even get worse.

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Lizskin

April 19, 2010 11:30 AM in reply to dustbunny44

But these folks actually think they are special and apart, that, as Palin et al. constantly tell them, they're much better than the rest of us. That's why they vote Republican -- they honestly believe, despite centuries of evidence to the contrary, that if they support the wealthy elite with their votes, they will be rewarded and become wealthy elites themselves. They don't give a shit about prosperity for all, they want prosperity for their tribe and low-wage service jobs for the rest of us.

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ru4862

April 19, 2010 11:00 AM

People, please forgive me for what i am about to say, but these monsters won't be satisfied until some crazy person tries to take a shot at our president.

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FreemanW

April 19, 2010 11:06 AM in reply to ru4862

That's only if Rupert Murdoch, his henchman Roger Ailes, and all their hydrocephalic fascist entertainment Elves get their wish.

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Given Up

April 19, 2010 11:08 AM in reply to ru4862

No, they won't be satisfied until someone succeeds. Crazy bastards.

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morriganinoregon

April 19, 2010 11:40 AM in reply to ru4862

TRIES?

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JefferyK

April 19, 2010 12:39 PM in reply to ru4862

They will never be satisfied. Period.

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Waltz

April 19, 2010 11:07 AM

"Tancredo, who ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, said that Americans are "going to have to pray that we can hold on to this country."
Um, I'm holding onto my country just find, bub.
These people are scary and a disgrace to the USA. What they don't see is that THEY ARE THE AMERICAN TALIBAN in it's infancy.

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smarish

April 19, 2010 11:08 AM

What most of these idiots don't realize, is that a majority of real Americans do not agree with this type of rhetoric and violent speech, and that a lot of us are former military who know how to use a weapon. If they think they want to start another civil war, they will be in the minority, and will lose.

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mjeffn

April 19, 2010 12:18 PM in reply to smarish

Isn't this all great for Smith and Wesson, Colt Industries and other gun manufacturers. The gun bunnies are such tools.

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maxd

April 19, 2010 3:37 PM in reply to smarish

These violence-promoting teabaggers need to google "Alwyn Wolfaardt".

I remember when that story went down. I worked at a newspaper and we saw all the raw footage come over the wire, and I'll never forget the feeling in the pit of my stomach as I watched it play out in still photos. These racist thugs were chest-thumping zealots in the morning, and dead in the dirt after miserably begging for their lives a few hours later. The photos should be posted at all teabagger rallies as a word of warning to ANYONE – teabagger or otherwise – who thinks picking up a gun and trotting off to enforce your political views is a good idea. You start shooting at other people, they'll be shooting back soon.

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mjeffn

April 20, 2010 1:32 PM in reply to maxd

excellent post. I had forgotten about this but now recall thinking what kind of nuts would allow themselves the luxury of so much hubris that they believe themselves to be invincible in that environment.

I don't know if any polling has been done on gun owners to address how many believe in this teaparty madness.

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acf_ma

April 19, 2010 11:09 AM

With this ever escalating rhetoric, we'd better hope that some group of nuts doesn't precipitate a Fort Sumpter event on us. The violent talk I keep hearing is downright scary.

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josephebacon

April 19, 2010 11:10 AM

It's time to reopen the insane asylums and lock these nuts away!

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ru4862

April 19, 2010 11:10 AM

Q. What do you get--when you mix pig shit and sperm?
A. Tom Cancredo

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tmccarthy0

April 19, 2010 11:10 AM

Let's send Tancredo back to Mexico then.

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EnnuiDivine

April 19, 2010 11:13 AM

"Send Obama Back To Kenya!"

"Send Tancredo Back To Italy!"

It's fun demanding people be sent back to the country their ancestors were from. Unfortunately, Tom Tancredo is a virulent racist. And, while he doesn't actually believe Obama was born in Kenya, he'll sure as hell exploit the ignorance and blind hatered of people who do.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:33 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine

Why Italy? I don't believe his heritage is Italian.. Its's Mexico - I doubt Italians from Italy would want him. He'd probably do well in Bensonhurst

http://www.wargs.com/political/tancredo.html

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EnnuiDivine

April 19, 2010 11:38 AM in reply to chameleon

I'm not Italian. If I were Italian, I'd be slightly ashamed to be of the same ethnicity as Tancredo. But...

He's Italian.
Though being of Mexican descent would be deliciously ironic.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:49 AM in reply to EnnuiDivine

Me too. I looked him up and he sure is first generation italian. Well there have been a lot of italian names in the news these days that certainly sound like tea partier supporters.

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ru4862

April 19, 2010 11:16 AM

Let's send Tancredo back into his mother's snatch.

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RobertSeattle

April 19, 2010 11:18 AM

The We Party? That sounds like Socialism to me!

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Paul Gulino

April 19, 2010 11:20 AM

Looks like a pretty small crowd.

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zonk

April 19, 2010 11:26 AM

Can they just start their damn revolution already so they can be locked up and rest the rest of the country get on with their lives?

I wouldn't have thought crazy asshattery about revolution could become mind-numbingly boring, but it has.

So do it, already, douchebags. I've got my bets placed on law enforcement.

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charlie8080

April 19, 2010 11:27 AM

During the Bush era, anybody who dared to criticize Bush at a time of war was labeled a traitor.

Well, by their own logic (we are still at war), Tom Tancredo is a traitor and should be treated a such.

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neurodoc

April 19, 2010 11:30 AM

Sedition: "overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order."
These people are anti-American seditionists.
I'm waiting for the MSM to point this out.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 11:57 AM in reply to neurodoc

"I'm waiting for the MSM to point this out."

and waiting and waiting and waiting...

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Given Up

April 19, 2010 12:16 PM in reply to JEP07

To be fair: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/19/sedition/

It's not quite the MSM but is getting closer.

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synchronicity

April 19, 2010 11:30 AM

Well I believe Trancredo's homeland is somewhere on a planet in another galaxy... Can we send 'him' back there?... please?

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sheerahkahn

April 19, 2010 11:34 AM

Didn't the FBI take down the Hutaree nutbags for less than what was being proposed there at that rally?
Seriously, continuity in the law enforcement practice please...this has gone beyond just rhetoric...this is a call for sedition through violence, and at the very least...treason against the United States of America!
Which...when last purviewed...was, and I still believe is a criminal offense.

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Max Thrax

April 19, 2010 11:35 AM

Remember, it was Tancredo's assistant that assaulted and battered a black woman while he called her n*gger, and Tancredo refused to call him a racist even while he was calling Obama one. I for one am ready, let's do this thing in the streets.

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April 19, 2010 11:50 AM in reply to Max Thrax

I suggest we have a food fight. Each side bring their favorite foods to throw. The teabaggers will have second thoughts, eat all their deep fried and sodium-laden ammunition, and we will win the war.

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biff diggerence

April 19, 2010 11:36 AM

Secession.

Bring it.

Start with SC.

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rawresolve

April 19, 2010 11:36 AM

No, there is no ignorance and racism in the t-bagger (bowel) movement! How dare people keep saying that.

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jeffgee

April 19, 2010 11:39 AM

Way to celebrate the 15th anniversary of McVeigh's IED, Teabaggers!

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JraSquared

April 19, 2010 11:40 AM

I think this is the most civil comment I could give to this thing...

*facepalm*

What the brain wants to say:
"WTF are you doing in SC, Tancredo? It's not like ANY time you tried to run for higher office, it went badly for you. You really think these dummies are gonna HELP you? They haven't helped you at all before...Besides the obvious Birther tone here, the only solutions that you actually have involve bad-mouthing EVERYTHING and marching somewhere while packing! Get a clue and a plan, and we might actually take your thoughts into consideration.

And yes, there was a distinct effort there not to use profanity. I'm working on that for my own sake...

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ejg3

April 19, 2010 11:44 AM

Tancredo is of Italian descent. That group was also the target of past slurs. much of which were based on anti-Catholicism. Tancredo was raised Catholic but his background information shows he is now Presbyterian.

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sbv

April 19, 2010 11:46 AM

well i'm shocked 78% of americans when polled say they don't trust the government! hooray for the all american dollar, that's what it is all about!

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April 19, 2010 1:02 PM in reply to sbv

The dollar is a government construct. You don't want to touch it. Go with gold.

As a matter of fact, bring me all your dollars and I'll swap them for gold at only a little bit more than I paid for it.

The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

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April 19, 2010 11:47 AM

Almost makes you miss the days when racists knew they were racist, were proud of being racist and thought racism was a good and proper thing. They were dangerous and violent in those days, but at least we didn't have to deal with the displaced agression caused by their sublimination of their racism and all the hysteria that comes from the repressed guilt.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 11:47 AM

I did not know that. I presumed he was of hispanic background. More understandable then

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Sir T

April 19, 2010 11:47 AM

How utterly disgraceful.

I am by nature a conservative, which is one reason I won't debate hotbed issues here. But I found myself driven away more and more by the increasing sheer vileness of the so called leaders of the movement. Liars without shame. As Christopher Buckley paraphrased when he was forced out of the magazine his father founded, I didn't leave conservatism, conservatism left me.

I suppose that's one reason why I liked hammering certain people on this site for their lies. They probably have no idea they are lies, despite the fact it generally takes me less than 5 minutes searching to disprove them. Or actually reading the fucking link they provide as proof. Disagree and debate, fine, but debate on the real numbers and what people have really done, for goodness sake.

Which reminds me. Wheres Silence, Barney et all? Those that were crowing about how non racist the rallies were this weekend. Wheres your balls, you little trolls? Come on and defend them. Trick question of course. They wouldn't be caught dead on this, and Barney if he shows up will just blow about something completely different to distract us.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 11:52 AM in reply to Sir T

"Wheres Silence, Barney et al"

Polishing their pistols...

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Given Up

April 19, 2010 12:21 PM in reply to JEP07

As if they'd have the balls to go out and try to shoot someone, though they might like to think they do.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:25 PM in reply to Given Up

I was speaking metaphorically...

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April 19, 2010 2:12 PM in reply to Sir T

They're in the concentration camps.

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mrdufus2u

April 19, 2010 11:48 AM

... and still the kid gloves treatment in the MSM. The Tea Party gets dozens of headlines every day. Nothing in any of those stories letting readers know that this kind of stuff happens. I just looked at Google News ... lots of stories about the TP as usual, but this rally and these statements? (Crickets)

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douglasfactors

April 19, 2010 11:52 AM

Tancredo must be a liberal plant.

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April 19, 2010 11:56 AM in reply to douglasfactors

Ha Ha. Nice one.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:07 PM in reply to Rick Jones

Goshallfriday, Tancredo's a closet liberal?

I wonder if the rest of the 'baggers know, now that someone has actually exposed it?

Now that someone has finally revealed this sordid fact, maybe he shouldn't go to that next rally where all the gun nuts are, if any of those crazies heard this blog rumor that Tancredo is a liberal plant, put there to foment idiocy and maniacal treason on the part of teabaggers, they might just string him up.

Wouldn't want that, now would we? The teamob turning on one of it's own?

No doubt they will be really surprised to hear Tancredo's a liberal plant, but, you have to believe what you read on the blogs, doncha know.

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April 19, 2010 2:28 PM in reply to JEP07

That's just what I was thinking because he has just gone and done more to discredit this movement than anyone since the revelations regarding Carl Paladino. Nobody can possibly be that stupid...or could they?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127424/Americans-Confident-Obama-Economy.aspx

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 2:48 PM in reply to larsvanness

Here's some real good news as far as polling goes

Which proves the point that the tea partiers are a very small minority of the population who are getting way more publicity than they deserve thanks to our illustrious MSM

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John H. McCloskey

April 19, 2010 11:57 AM

Look here, Dr. Bones:



(1)  The Rev. Neocomrade S. Craig		09:20

(2)  Neocomrade Chair D. Gonzales		09:36

(3)  Neocomrade N. Other (the militant het)	00:33   (?!)

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				19:29

What hath MacL@@han wrought, sir?

Do TPM management not understand that we who remain bloodied but unastroturfbagged can still handle English prose? That we can get through this (or any other) tripe and baloney twenty times faster that way? Plus skip around in it twenty times easier!

Are we customers / patients / victims assumed all to possess 1776-inch-diagonal HD flat-panel whizbangs that make anything whatever, even the Rev. Stan, a delight to gaze upon slack-jawed and empty-minded?

Have they noticed that in their 173,209 frames of pictures, nothing pictorial is conveyed that a plain snapshot of each wingnut rantin’ would not adequately convey?

The heretic (3) who actually edited his flick a little is commendable on that score, yet, if he took the time to do so away from finding out what his pix were pictures OF, for gosh sake, . . . !

***

So then, Dr. Bones, would you care to join Dr. Alzheimer and Paddy and me in creating a "Society for the Propagation of Transcripts in Foreign Parts" and send some missionaries down to DC? You can rename it, if you like, and also be President.

Happy days.

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willia451

April 19, 2010 12:00 PM

What can you expect? Consider the source, for one. And for two, did you think racism would magically go away just because the United States elected its first minority President?

And the folks out here that are bludgeoning "The South" should remember, McCain only won the state of Georgia by roughly 5%. And President Obama WON North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida.

So be careful with your generalizations. It may be true there are more racists per capita in the Deep South than other regions. But, there are a lot of people that live there that most assuradely NOT racists.

The good news is if these people's hate speech crosses over into threats against persons, then we get to applaud the FBI arresting even more of these "critters".

But, it looks like they are learning their lesson. I didn't see anything reported where a speaker actually threatened an individual by name with violence.

Too bad.

I'm sure there are folks just itching to send that kind of material straight to the FBI.

Me included.

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Vincent F

April 19, 2010 12:02 PM

Isn't there a provision in the Patriot Act that will allow the Feds to send Tancredo to Gitmo for the cockmeat sandwich? These racist SOBs deserve it.

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Official A

April 19, 2010 12:03 PM

A Bi-Lo boycott is in order, at least.

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Steaming Pile

April 19, 2010 1:16 PM in reply to Official A

I was a Food Lion shopper when I lived in SC.

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DES

April 19, 2010 12:03 PM

By that standard they should be demanding that Supreme Court Justice Alito be sent back to Italy. His father was born in Italy. McCain was born in Panama,yet I hear no calls for him to be sent back there.

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Shoto

April 19, 2010 12:11 PM in reply to DES

By that standard, they should demand that Tancredo and his supporters go back to the trailer park.

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GTFOOH

April 19, 2010 12:05 PM

Unbelievably outrageous! Any news outlet who takes this guy serious as simply a political adversary should be called out for catering to kooks!

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jhogg

April 19, 2010 12:09 PM

Is that a cutout of W. Bush behind the speaker with a sign "Welcome to the Upcountry Tea Party"? If it isn't bush it sure looks like him.

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jhogg

April 19, 2010 12:09 PM

Is that a cutout of W. Bush behind the speaker with a sign "Welcome to the Upcountry Tea Party"? If it isn't bush it sure looks like him.

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mc mark

April 19, 2010 12:12 PM

Sounds like sedition to me.

Where is the FBI?

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:19 PM in reply to mc mark

Don't you know, Republicans and teabaggers are immune from treason charges, they are REAL Americans, so they could never say ANYTHING seditious.

Only Democrats can be unpatriotic, doncha know? Once that fact is programmed into the bagger mind set, they are at liberty to say anything no matter how offensive or overtly unpatriotic, cuz they're sooooo right, that makes it OK.

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bibimimi

April 19, 2010 12:14 PM

Only if Tancredo moves back to a cave.

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EddyKilowatt

April 19, 2010 12:20 PM

I think we TPM readers, and people who support secular democracy in general, would do well to remind the public of something they hopefully all learned in high school civics: the idea of the Loyal Opposition, without which democracy cannot function. There is no place in a democracy for the out-of-power party to indulge in calls for armed marches and violent opposition to the majority-elected party.

This isn't even high school stuff, it's the sort of good sportsmanship learned in elementary school that is generally held in high regard in this county. It shouldn't be too hard for the President to craft a message reminding people of this, and 95+% of the people should be able to identify with it and use it to help them sort out an acceptable level of opposition to the duly elected leadership of the country.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:38 PM in reply to EddyKilowatt

"Loyal Opposition"

...key word "Loyal" as in "loyal" to their nation, not their political party or their tea party.

As opposed to "seditious opposition", which this particular gang of baggers sounds like.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:22 PM

I know this has been mentioned already, but where are the trolls?

Barney, c'mon down and tell us all how this just CAN'T be your precious "TeaPeople" because they look too much like ignorant bigots.

And only lefty provocateurs would say those kinds of things, even if they ARE the keynote speakers, they must be liberal plants trying to make the movement look bigoted and ignorant, which of course it isn't because Barney tells us so!

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mjeffn

April 19, 2010 12:27 PM in reply to JEP07

That purple dinosaur?

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:34 PM in reply to mjeffn

No our won Barney the troll! The one who looks like Alfred E. Newman? Stick around, you'll read him on one thread or another.

But not here, not on this thread, this article is undeniable evidence that Barney's claims that the teabaggers are not bigots and secessionists and seditionistas, are nor founded in reality, but part of his ongoing personal delusion.

barney and his sockpuppets and fellow baggers stay away from any post that is made up of just plain facts, those pesky facts just screw with their delusions. And it will be very hard for old Barn to jump in here without proving what I just wrote.

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April 19, 2010 1:16 PM in reply to JEP07

By shooting of his mouth tom tancredo has shot this movement right in the foot. They may continue to be shrill enough to command media attention but middle of the roaders will be crossing the street to our side and I welcome them. Not because they will have seen the light and agree with progressive/liberals but because they will be close enough to actually engage in the reasoned discourse that we so badly need to begin to address the complicated and vexing issues. We are the voice of reason and we will prevail.

This country elected it's first black president and there is no going back. We have decided once and for all that any person of merit, regardless of background, can succeed.

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Bill Bowman

April 19, 2010 12:23 PM

What happened to the Tancredo video? Who removed it?

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 2:57 PM in reply to Bill Bowman

I don't believe any of video of Tancredo was ever posted this morning.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/former-congressman-tom-tancredo-went.php?ref=fpb

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 7:38 PM in reply to Bill Bowman

Is this what you were looking for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EoOZKjAjlk&feature=related

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mjeffn

April 19, 2010 12:24 PM

Just in the nick of time, Jake and Elwood Blues save the day.

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JEP07

April 19, 2010 12:29 PM in reply to mjeffn

Hey, don't give anyone ideas!

But it sure was funny watching those Nazis scatter, huh?

Now all those brownshirts are wet...

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April 19, 2010 1:18 PM in reply to JEP07

I thought it was the teabaggers who were on a mission from God.

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uacats

April 19, 2010 12:33 PM

Why does TPM even give acknowledgement to anything that Tancredo says or does. He sounds as if he doesn't have any idea what is going on in this world. He sounds like a bad loser along with the GOP. Tancredo along with the speakers of the Tea Party (an extension of the Republican Party) will say or lie about anything about Obama. Tancredo just wants to hear his misinformation and lies about Obama hit the cable stations along with TPM. Maybe TPM wants us to see what a crazy person Tancredo is along with the radical Tea Party protesters. Can't the voters remember who caused the economic mess that we are in right now. IT WAS THE GOP MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE ALONG WITH BUSH. I GUESS IN THE LONG RUN THE GOP AND THE TEA PARTY ARE AFRAID OF OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS.

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jah627

April 19, 2010 12:36 PM

...maybe its time to send Tancredo back to Italy

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Marietz

April 19, 2010 12:39 PM

I hope the FBI are closely watching these people because they are planting the seeds of homegrown terrorism. They're not open to dialogue. It's their way or get out of their way while they take "their" country.

Crazy talk leads crazy people to crazy actions and they're just walking the line of being explosive. Shame on every single one of them.

I'd recommend Tancredo do some soul searching and consider getting on a flight back to the country where his ancestors came from. He's a sad little man who could do with a new perspective in a foreign country where nobody would listen to him.

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lisast

April 19, 2010 12:52 PM in reply to Marietz

I hope and pray the FBI and Secret Service are watching what I would call "domestic terrorists". Their behavior should just automatically trigger monitoring from the government. It's the domestic version of the bin Laden tapes really. They are just encouraging more Timothy McVeigh's. It's very sickening and frightening.

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theWalrus

April 19, 2010 12:48 PM

A Baptist Pastor Militia??

RUN!!!!!

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April 19, 2010 1:22 PM in reply to theWalrus

Soon to be joined by Monty Python's "Hell's Grannies."

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Yippee

April 19, 2010 12:56 PM

Let me get this straight. These cretins go berserk over Rev Wright's "Goddamn America," but CHEER a preacher who wants to "suit up, get my gun, and go to Washington?!"

Imagine, if only for one horrifying moment, what would happen in this country if one of these maniacs actually succeeds in assassinating President Obama. Could there be a fitter definition of Armageddon?

I thank the Universe that I happened to marry a woman born in the UK, since I've been able to obtain UK/Euro citizenship for my daughter. If the Teabag hits the fan, I can at least get her out of harm's way.

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Cal Gal

April 19, 2010 6:23 PM in reply to Yippee

Really good point. But, you see, if Rev. Wright had said "God Damn our Government" he would have been OK. Because these idiots don't see the connection between "America" and the American government.

Plus, just a hint of racism in the attack on Rev. Wright, you think?

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Max Thrax

April 19, 2010 12:56 PM

I keep telling you guys to stop being polite and get confrontational....believe me now?

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Clear

April 19, 2010 12:58 PM

"Pastor Stan Craig, of the Choice Hills Baptist Church, was particularly angry about the state of Washington, saying he 'was trained to defend the liberties of this nation.' He declared that he was prepared to 'suit up, get my gun, go to Washington, and do what they trained me to do.' "

Sure that's not Satan Craig?

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pmb50

April 19, 2010 12:58 PM

And still the media laughs off the violent republican lunatics saying the majority of the these folks are good people with legitimate concerns. There is no debate these assholes are extremely dangerous If this was a democratic group FOX and msm would be in full outrage mode

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Rich in NJ

April 19, 2010 12:58 PM

Yet another chicken hawk pretending to be a tough guy.

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pmb50

April 19, 2010 12:59 PM

terrorism is alive and well the USA

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AirBoss

April 19, 2010 1:04 PM

What variety of -phobic are these people not?

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April 19, 2010 2:18 PM in reply to AirBoss

honkophobic

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azhermit

April 19, 2010 1:05 PM

What a surprise -an Italian nazi. Perhaps we should send Mr. Tancredo back to Italy. Oh I forgot, they hang nazis in Italy.

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bracken

April 19, 2010 1:10 PM

Ironically, the presence of acknowledged and sited domestic militias will result in an upgrade in domestic surveillance and anti-terrorist actions, possibly initiated by the President himself. May take a particularly violent act or conspiracy to set it in motion--a mini-9/11, so to speak. Then the wingnuts will start shouting True, true, it's all true, gummint takeover, gitcher guns, we're being invaded!

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Yippee

April 19, 2010 1:16 PM

Well, from my point of view, the country has, indeed, taken on the most frightful aspects of 1933 Germany. Except, instead of brown shirts, the Nazis are wearing teabags.

The lessons of History are clear: violently delusional populations cannot be reasoned with; they can only be defeated. And people who are socially and intellectually incapable of governing a country are more than capable of starting a civil war.

Here's hoping police action will be enough to contain them.

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brendancalling

April 19, 2010 1:28 PM

the video of the pastor prepared to suit up and go to DC to do what he was trained to do has been removed by the user. can you find a duplicate?

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barnacle

April 19, 2010 1:34 PM

I'd like the Nazi salad with some SS sauce on the side. Oh, and a Hitler cookie to go.

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xpatriate

April 19, 2010 1:35 PM

Haven't any of these juiced up nuts heard of voting? Crybabies with guns--a bad combination.

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ritetime

April 19, 2010 1:36 PM

It is evident that every GOP and/or Tea Party convention or gathering carries a common thread of hated. The emphasis is always on the "other" as in anything other than "us" is un-American.

Lately it has been combined with an intention towards separation using terms like "real Americans" suggesting that our President is something other than that and became our President by something other than a democratic process.

One would think that this would be shameful behavior on behalf of the Republicans, but it is not. It is even more sad the the MSM supports this behavior by blasting it 24/7 without question or inquiry.

The truth is this nation is changing, whether we accept it or not and those who are mired in lies that provoke fear and hatred are few. Still, it is up those who realize this truth to take responsibility for creating a dialogue based on an intention to create a nation that works for everyone instead of a few.

How we do it is less important than the commitment to do it. Once committed, the how will be revealed.

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DownriverDem

April 19, 2010 1:37 PM

I want to know why are we seeing only white people? I am white and these folks (along with the tea baggers) are a total embarrassment.

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clemenceau

April 19, 2010 1:44 PM

If this administration was even 1/100th the oppressive, totalitarian regime these hysterics claim it is, the organizers of this movement would have been rounded up and imprisoned or worse.

I feel sorry for the people whose lives are so lacking in meaning and purpose that they believe in and are inspired by the lies and fear mongering being peddled to them as patriotism and Christianity.

Conversely, I have nothing but loathing for those that exploit uncertain times to divide and cash in.

It is important to separate the two.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 1:52 PM in reply to clemenceau

I have even thought that perhaps they are hoping to be arrested so that they can say, see Obama threw us in jail for exercising our right to free speech.

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clemenceau

April 19, 2010 2:02 PM in reply to chameleon

It would be a fundraising bonanza.

And to think, you could get arrested at a George W. Bush event for wearing the wrong t-shirt.

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April 19, 2010 2:21 PM in reply to clemenceau

But those t-shirts were dangerous - they might have incited someone to think. We are only talking armed insurrection now - nowhere near as scary as 100% cotton.

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BrianInMKE

April 19, 2010 1:53 PM

This is the culmination of the 'states rights' campaign of Ronald Reagan in 1980 along with the results of electing 'government is the problem' Republicans to run something they don't believe in.

It is all part of the strategy to turn the US into a corporatist/fascist state made up of very few greedy elites and a population of under-educated cheap labor that doesn't know any better because they don't have the skills to be critical thinkers.

Ever notice that most of these right-wing leaders; including those on our Supreme Court that encourage the possession of concealed firearms also live and work behind fences and security guards?...

They're waiting for us to take our representative government and its protections down so they can $weep up what's left...

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bdog207

April 19, 2010 2:00 PM

I'm surprised tancrapo wasn't wearing a white hooded mask with white sheets and a burning cross behind him. It's just a matter of time.

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housewife

April 19, 2010 2:06 PM

Let's see if it makes the nightly news. I'm sure The Daily Show will have something to say about it.

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bdog207

April 19, 2010 2:12 PM in reply to housewife

I bet the Daily Show rips him apart. At least, I hope they do.

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cleavet

April 19, 2010 2:11 PM

I am reminded of a sentence from Frederick Douglass' oration at the unveiling of The Freedmen's Monument In Memory Of Abraham Lincoln, on April 15th, 1876:

"He had not been taught that treason and perjury were the proof of honor and honesty."

(Oration at http://american_almanac.tripod.com/dougorat.htm)

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Unionman

April 19, 2010 2:14 PM

Remember the good old days when political activists were confined to a designated "free speech area" far away from GW Bush's motorcade, rally or speech? The corporate mass media obviously determined the nation lacked a need for them to report on the constitutional violations, afterall, their man was the president.

What a difference an election makes. Corporate mass media falls all over itself providing unfettered press for their sweetheart cause, the ignorant masses of the tea party. The corporate press seems to savor and endorse these reactionaries who are always negative, violent and full of insurrectist speech at marches and rallys.

The democrats have only themselves to blame. Their leadership needs to grow a set of balls and start acting like the party in power, which they are. President Obama needs to discard this repulsive persona he has adopted since his election, a bipartisan president. The man has been publicly insulted, insulted before both houses of congress by a reactionary representative, reminded daily with openness and subtley by the press, conservative politicians and their AM airbags, of his racial difference, malaligned as a socialist, facsist, stanilist, muslim, satan worshiper, the anti-christ and so on. All through this corporate mass media has been there to feed these insurrectionists fevor and mostly endorse the same. believes he can win them over by ignoring their insults and continue to ask for civility.

Now that we have former government officials, such as this idiot Tancredo all but calling for open rebellion is it possible for the democrats, more importantly Obama's justice department, to begin to act as deserving the jobs they were appointed for, protecting the constitution? As for President Obama, I have all but given up on his need to stand up for what is right and demand respect for the office of the president. A lincoln Obama is not, will not, nor cannot be. He needs to start now and govern with the authority a vast majority of americans gave him in 2000. Obama needs to direct his justice department to enforce the law, the constitution and do so with no regard to any persons political position holding or held.

If he truly wishes to refocus this nation as he has said, our nation's house must be brought in order. That means indiciting Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc on high crimes and misdemeanors. Until this situation is rectified or realigned with justice, our nation will rot even further than the stink emitting from today's tea party and the neoconservative masters. Idiots like Tancredo will become more numerous and bolder, given that Obama and the democrats do as they are.

This nation needs a third, fourth and fifth political party representing citizens views that are currently ignored. If our congress had to rely on coalition of various parties to ensure house or senate leadership, our government would become much more attuned to the needs of its citizens instead of a government as current, up for bid.

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ErnestPayne

April 19, 2010 2:21 PM

Fear mongering by idiots and for idiots.

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April 19, 2010 2:41 PM

When will you liberals get your heads out of your asses and listen instead of talk. Why do you liberals group anyone who doesn't agree with your savior Obama a racist. You call us racist because we don't agree with Obama's socialist agenda or "his" view of the future of America. His future has everybody getting a government handout for your house, your food, your medical care, your education(through college)your retirement and so on. Well where do you think the money comes from? It comes from the 50% of us assholes who go to work everyday, we pay our taxes, our mortgages, our health care etc; It's called capitalism, the money from it allows you nit wits to stay home and complain about the very people who support your ass. And then when we complain we don't want to pay for illegal aliens anymore, we are called racist. When the federal government (repub & Demo alike) has overstepped it's authority according to our constitution we are called a bunch of right wing, gun toting homophobes. Well it seems your vision of America is to sit back and let the government make all your decisions for you. Most of us would still like to think for ourselves, I already have a mother.

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rbe1

April 19, 2010 2:47 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

I work for a living too, but I don't feel the need to make a complete ass of myself as you seem to. So, in the immortal words of the Dick of Cheney, why don't you go fuck yourself, you grotesque piece of dogshit ?

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 2:49 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

Too bad your MOther didn't do a better job of raising your sorry racist ass

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April 19, 2010 3:29 PM in reply to chameleon

Hey Jackass, I'm black

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 4:36 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

That's even worse. There is no color barrier on bigots last I looked. I can name a whole bunch of black bigots: ward connerly, joe watkins, juan williams, larry elder, alan keyes, to name a few.

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April 20, 2010 8:21 AM in reply to chameleon

Don't you folks read? I am being called a racist because I don't agree with obama's policies. White people are being called racist because they don't agree with obama's policies. That's just nuts.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127424/Americans-Confident-Obama-Economy.aspx

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 2:50 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

Well it looks like most people trust Obama on the economy so stick it

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April 19, 2010 3:01 PM in reply to chameleon

Oops--No offence rbe1...Chamee, here is a question for you. In 2016, should we go for a white woman or a black woman? I have in mind Kirsten Gillibrand of course and Maxine Waters. And you!

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April 19, 2010 3:32 PM in reply to larsvanness

How about on 2012, we elect someone, anyone, I don't care if they are a female, black, white orange or green, how about someone with experience, the Presidency of the the United States of America and the largest economy on the planet is no place for on the job training.

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April 19, 2010 3:46 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

My guy will have been seasoned by that time!

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 3:58 PM in reply to larsvanness

Actually I don't care if the candidate is a man or a woman if she's capable. I don't believe Kirsten or Maxine are up to the task. Kirsten is a bit wet behind the ears yet and Maxine while I like her personally, I don't think so. I think Maxine would be the first to tell you she's not Presidential material...

I would personally love to see the Mayor of Newark run. He's close in intellect to Obama and a man of integrity Just imagine how crazy the white folks would go if this country elected another Black man. I don't know of anyone in the democratic party who is shining star on the horizon...

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April 19, 2010 4:11 PM in reply to chameleon

Actually I was just trying to bait the trolls. I appreciate your insights. Nd I agree with you-Cory Booker is one to keep our eye on for sure. I have always had a deep respect for Maxine Waters. Kirsten will have been just as seasoned as when John F. Kenenedy took the job.

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 4:14 PM in reply to larsvanness

I like her a lot but I just don't see her as Presidential material. I hope I am wrong. Right now other than Booker, I don't see anyone. After Obama, all candidates to me will seem lack luster...

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 4:26 PM in reply to larsvanness

You are too funny lars. i think I have been a bad influence on you......lol......

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April 19, 2010 4:31 PM in reply to chameleon

One can only hope!

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April 19, 2010 4:32 PM in reply to chameleon

One can only hope!

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 5:09 PM in reply to larsvanness

More lol...........I may be a bad influence on you but you are a positive influence on me and I suspect, the many folks who are following you.

I think from what you have said, we are about the same age from the same generation and therefore the simpatico

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 5:11 PM in reply to chameleon

Oops. I know how to spell sympatico (so much for that good education)

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Sir T

April 19, 2010 2:54 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

Your guy, a speaker at your meeting just told President Obama, your elected president, to "get back to Kenya" and said he was prepared to 'suit up, get my gun, go to Washington, and do what they trained me to do.' to the cheers of your fellow teabagger crowd. Amongst other things (hint read the article)

Do you have any comments?

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April 19, 2010 3:35 PM in reply to Sir T

See below

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Sir T

April 19, 2010 10:00 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

I looked below and didn't see one single thing relating to the article. Instead I say yet another repetition of the same old talking points and Obama bashing. If your not a radical 'conservative' (which I doubt) then your worldview is so steeped in their propoganda it makes no difference.

And for the love of god, drop the election talking points. Like "Obmama is unqualified" you put all those talking points to the people in November 08, and they rejected them by a landslide. There's no reason to believe repeating them wont achieve the same result.

And as for the "Obama is unqualified/inexperienced" meme, Obama in his first year secured Health reform, something that 'experienced' politicians have tried for decades and failed. He is signing a new nuclear treaty and is working internationally to universal acclaim. Politifacts shows him as already having achieved 108 election promises and only breaking 19, with the rest stalled or in the works. If that's inexperienced and ineffective then next time you should elect a windowcleaner

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April 20, 2010 8:42 AM in reply to Sir T

Passed healthcare reform? You call that reform? How many congressman had to be bribed or extorted into voting yes? The only thing passage of the healthcare bill accomplished was to give the insurance companies a cash cow paid for by the taxpayer.
There are only two good provisions in the bill, making insurance companies insure people with pre-existing conditions and keeping them from dropping you if you get sick. The rest of it you can throw out. Do you realize in this bill, every American citizen is required to get health insurance. If you are in this country illegally, you are not required, but if you want to purchase it and can't afford it, you get the taxpayer subsidy to pay for it. That's just crazy. Oh, and by the way, the very people that this healthcare bill, opted themselves out of it, including Obama. If it' good enough for us, it should be good enough for them. Also, by exempting certain people from the law, doesn't that make it unconstitutional? I am not a lawyer, but whatever happened to equal protection under the law?

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Sir T

April 20, 2010 1:05 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

Yes, yes, keep knocking out those talking points, notreallyaconservitive. And every other "more qualified" politician that tried didn't achieve even that, which you could not deny in your one long paragraph of talking points.

And you still haven't addressed one word of what this asshole said.

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MollyNYC

April 19, 2010 3:04 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

Why do you liberals group anyone who doesn't agree with your savior Obama a racist.

Damn straight. And why do you ornithologists group any biped with feathers a bird?

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April 19, 2010 3:22 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

I'm home because I own my own business and I pay income tax and the capital gains tax on my investments. The government takes the portion that has been lawfully negotiated by the Congress of the United States and uses that money to establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity. Are you listening?

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MollyNYC

April 19, 2010 4:00 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

Blockquote>Most of us would still like to think for ourselves . . .

And yet, you obviously can't.

Or won't. Is it too much work?

I realize logic is wasted on someone who so clearly gets every last political thought in his beady little head from Fox News (Motto: We are too entitled to our own facts!) and Teabagger bumper stickers, but if you look around this website, you'll notice that Obama comes in for his share of criticism from the Left.

So your insistence that
[(critics of Obama) = racists] = what Liberals believe

is absolute crap. And it's easily verifiable, so either:

(a) you knew it was crap, but--as proof that your own integrity (assuming you even have any) is of no importance to you compared to burnishing your self-image as a rootin' tootin' Teabagger--repeated it anyway; or

(b) you are so genuinely stupid that you couldn't figure this simple matter out by yourself, and are forced to rely on--and mindlessly echo--whatever another wingnut screams in your ear.

Which is it?

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April 19, 2010 4:30 PM in reply to MollyNYC

You just proved my point. All you seem to do is insult and criticize. And I'm not a tea bagger. If you read any of my other comments(actually read, not just mouthed the words) you would have realized that.

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Mary Alice

April 19, 2010 10:15 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

No whining.......

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donquijoterocket

April 19, 2010 4:27 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

Excellent recommendation. It'd be an eye-opener to those folks who somehow think that some golden yeateryear was always the best of times.Of course any wingnut or repcon reading it will claim she's just some pointy-headed academic probably a feminist too with no experience in or understanding of the "real" world. Unfortunately for them she's got the research to back her up not that it would mean anything to the typical repcon or bagger.

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rbe1

April 19, 2010 2:43 PM

Look, give them Texas, hire the Israelis to build a wall around their new country, and hire xe to man the guard posts to ensure they enjoy their new freedom away from the rest of us.

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April 19, 2010 2:57 PM in reply to rbe1

Chamee, here is a question for you. In 2016, should we go for a white woman or a black woman? I have in mind Kirsten Gillibrand of course and Maxine Waters. And you!

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chameleon

April 19, 2010 4:12 PM in reply to larsvanness

I replied to your post somewhere.....

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RKT

April 19, 2010 4:39 PM in reply to rbe1

Giving them Texas is punishment enough. Trust me.

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April 19, 2010 3:18 PM

Like I said, you liberals don't listen, all you seem to do is insult and criticize. Why don't come up with a better solution to every problem this country faces than throw more money at. And why do you assume we all agree with what the nit wits in SC are spewing? We don't. We are tired of watching our out of control government(republican and democrat alike)ruin this great country of ours.

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rbe1

April 19, 2010 3:34 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

What makes you think that the people who disagree with Tea Baggers are liberals ? I just happen to find offensive any group whose members openly advocate violence as a means of expressing their opposition to the results of an election in which their choice lost.
You need to cease expressing yourself in stereotypes if you want people to listen. Spewing invective only gets you invective in return (as you may have noticed).
And by the way, the class that's screwing the American taxpayers is the class which is blindly worshiped by the republican party, a party which these days seems to have been reduced to a bunch of people who still believe in the lotto offered by the priests of capitalism, to wit: just keep working and someday you'll be a millionaire just like us.
If you don't like the current government, find someone to elect who represents your views, but as for me, I have absolutely no sympathy for a bunch of openly racist assholes who threaten violence as a vehicle for overturning the choices made by the majority of the people who voted in the last election.

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April 19, 2010 3:58 PM in reply to rbe1

Exactly my point, most of us don't agree with this bull shit. But if we don't agree with the liberal's they group everyone into the far right racist category. As far as your comments, you are a liberal, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck. So it seems we do have some common ground here, it seems you don't want to grouped up with the liberals and I don't want to grouped up with the conservatives. It's a start. Polls show that most Americans are more toward the middle and moderate. It seems the far left left and right gets all the press. The only message I am trying to get through here, is most people are getting tired of the Republican and Democratic parties, they don't work for the people anymore. They work for their own pockets.

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rbe1

April 19, 2010 5:29 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

You really don't know me at all. Once again, you're just judging other people by your standards, and that's just more stereotypical thinking. But have a good day, anyway. Maybe someone else can explain it to you.

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BigBadBama

April 19, 2010 3:52 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

"all you seem to do is insult and criticize"

Come on, man. If you're actually trying to open a straight dialogue that's great. But enough with the "stop doing the thing we're doing" argument. This thread is in response to people who are not making a strong argument, are not coming up with any solutions, and are just tossing out hateful rhetoric to rile people up and play on their worst impulses. If you can honestly say that someone saying we should send the President back to a country only some of his ancestors lived in is honest debate, then you're not being realistic.

Should every Republican or conservative be lumped in with these idiots? No. There are honest brokers out there who simply disagree with the Democratic way of handling the govenment. That's fine. Argue away. But the fact is that the ruling party is coming up with their solutions. You may not like them, but those are the elected representatives and that's their plan. It's actually up to the opposing side to craft alternative measures, promote them, and show why they work better than the ones on the table. That alternative is in no way "send the Prez back to Africa and lets take to the streets with guns."

And where were all the "hey, but they're expressing an honest frustration with the way things are going" when it was the Dems and libs in the streets protesting the war? Apparently their concern for a very real issue was just insanity and treason. As opposed to the quotes shown above. Please.

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April 19, 2010 5:01 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

"you liberals don't listen, all you seem to do is insult and criticize. Why don't come up with a better solution to every problem this country faces than throw more money at..."

Let's throw back the $3 trillion you fiscally conservative taxpayers spent on Iraq. And how about the 4000+ dead American soldiers and the thousands more who came back without arms and legs?

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April 19, 2010 5:23 PM in reply to traitorjoe

I did not support going into Iraq, I supported going into Afghanistan, finding osama and stringing him up by his balls. But in all fairness, you can count with one finger, the Democrats who voted against invading Iraq. And he was Republican Sen. John Chafee from Rhode Island. And the Republican party supported his opponent in 2008, and he was not re-elected. And there you go again grouping all of us together again. All the Democrats voted in favor of going, and don't use the excuse Bush lied to them. Maybe they should have done their homework. Alas, history repeats itself, Democrats pass health care bill with out reading it( I guess democrats don't like to do homework)

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April 19, 2010 5:48 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

You can count the number of Republicans who voted against the Iraq War on one finger, or less. Many Democrats did vote against it, not just one. Not enough, but a lot more than your side. Whether you supported it or not is immaterial - the representatives you voted for and supported (and still support) did. So your hands are bloody, too.

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Leftflank

April 19, 2010 9:00 PM in reply to tiredtaxpayer

You say us liberals, which apparently you despise, yet you claim no loyalty, which is basically chicken-shit. I really wouldn't either after the massive overspending without funding that the neo-cons duped the nation into. How was/is that for throwing money at problems? I'm betting you supported them quite a bit, if not totally, but now choose to play stupid.
Have the balls to back your people, by name, with a true, written, with math, full policy agenda & post them/it, instead of just bitching about what's wrong. Choosing your pet peeves & ignoring all else is the first clue that you are ranting & not debating honestly.
Not even close to every liberal is 100% satisfied with Obama, but damn sure wouldn't ever vote for the smoke-screen agenda that is the whole GOP & right-wing crazies these days.
The better solution (as you called it) is happening right before your eyes. Willful blindness is preventing you from seeing it.
As far as SC goes, that was just this weekend, these suckers are being hyped into this foolish action from coast to coast, on a daily basis. The rich need their useful idiots, doncha know.

Finally, where were you during the Reagan years, (tripled the deficit) & especially during the cheney guided bush presidency (with far too much deceiviousness to list here)? You must have been truly pissed & writing letters all the time then, right?

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Red XIV

April 19, 2010 4:08 PM

Send Tancredo to the Supermax.

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Kaneblues

April 19, 2010 4:16 PM

For years, many of these people have wanted to tell all black people to go back to Africa, but they've generally kept those sentiments to themselves or within their own circle of family and friends. Now with a black president, they feel somewhat liberated in voicing their racist rhetoric in public by claiming that it's not really about racism, but rather it's just a statement of anger at a government which happens to be led by a black man.

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biglith

April 19, 2010 4:19 PM

Send Tancredo up his own ass-hole where he belongs.

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RKT

April 19, 2010 4:33 PM

I submit Gonzales' message regarding the ruling elite should be taken seriously. Granted, Gonzales is an idiot -- espeially for promoting his message like a Pat Roberts evangelical. He is clearly attracting the lowest common denominator of two-digit IQ, Christian fundamentalists. Gonzales may not even fully understand the significance of his message. But it behooves all of us to give it credence.

I don't pretend to know who's "at the point of the Elite pyramid," but you need look back no further than health care reform to clearly realize an Elite is running the country.

The very wealthy and large corporations (the "Rulling Elite"), notably engaged in health care, finance, media, dirty energy, etc., spends hundreds of millions of dollars each year to lobby (i.e., bribe) members of congress. Congress thus legislates on behalf of the Ruling Elite.

It appears to me that Congress uses the presumption of a two party system to create a complex ballet by which it excuses the partisan infighting and childish spats that slow and prevent meaningful legislation that might check the Ruling Elite.

Meanwhile, the media, virtually all of which is owned by Ruling Elite corporations, diverts the people's attention by focusing on partisan issues and trivia, carefully ensuring we won't see behind the Wizard of Oz curtain that hides the Ruling Elite while it works the levers of control.

In that regard, Gonzales is right. This country is not a democracy, or a republic. (And it sure isn't a socialist nation.) Like it or not, the good ol' U.S. is an oligarchy -- a political system in which those with economic power control the government and the law. And the Ruling Elite stranglehold will only increase under Citizens United v. FEC -- a stunning reminder that the Ruling Elite now even controls the Supreme Court.

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April 19, 2010 4:54 PM in reply to RKT

Well put my friend. That's why so much is reported about the far left and the far right. They want us to take a side. That's why there are no more moderate democrats. They want us as far apart as possible, arguing with each other. It's the oldest magician's trick in the book. It's called misdirection. Now if we can just get everybody back closer to the middle and identify the common enemy, we might just be on to better things.

* http://www.theworld.org/2010/04/05/south-african-white-supremacist-eugene-terreblanche-killed/

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mcjam

April 19, 2010 4:36 PM

Perhaps we could send Tancredo et al to South Africa where their racism would be more appropriately dealt with*

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jonez

April 19, 2010 4:51 PM

Tancredo needs to go back to Spain or Italy, where ever the f*** he's from.

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Cal Gal

April 19, 2010 4:53 PM

Let's send Tancredo back to ITALY!

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April 19, 2010 5:10 PM

I heard he came from Communist Russia. That's what Orly Taitz done tells us.

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Max Thrax

April 19, 2010 5:20 PM

There was a time when jokes about the troops or a lack of a flag pin was enough for the MSM to make an issue out of. Now, when people threaten federal workers and other acts of violence against the US, the MSM HIRES THEM and treats this kind of talk as legitimate.

Stop being polite with conservative assholes....get confrontational.

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jerryball

April 19, 2010 5:56 PM

If these Psytchotics have their way and something happens to Obama, we will all inherit the wind.

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Max Thrax

April 19, 2010 7:21 PM in reply to jerryball

I hope so...cuz I'll be setting lots of stuff on fire and a good wind would help.

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osage

April 19, 2010 6:00 PM

THEIR HYPOCRISIES AND STUPIDITIES ARE STAGGERING, which is WHY "Teabagger Conservatives" have NO CREDIBILITY or VALIDITY.

Why now? Why, at this time in history, have “Teabagger Conservatives” suddenly developed an “awareness” of the improvidence in government spending? Were they not aware of the TRILLIONS plus taxpayer dollars being futilely squandered in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Where was their “impassioned concern” about government spending BEFORE they lost the presidency? Were they not aware that Bush/Cheney had EXPANDED the size and power of government to unprecedented levels?

Where were "Teabagger Conservatives" during the eight years of Bush/Cheney pissing on "The Constitution", usurping our personal freedoms, giving tax cuts to the rich they didn't need and we couldn't pay for, starting two wars we didn't need and couldn't pay for, spying on Americans in America, trashing the Geneva Convention and making torture a “legally sanctioned” government policy?

Where were "Teabagger Conservatives" when the middle class was being destroyed by corporate greed?

Where were "Teabagger Conservatives" when Insurance Companies, Banks and Wall Street ALL became TOO BIG TO FAIL and TOO RICH TO GO TO JAIL?

"Teabagger Conservatives" have no credibility or validity because the “Teabagger Movement” IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PROPAGANDA ARM OF CORPORATE AMERICA......and "Teabagger Conservatives" are too ignorant, dysfunctional and gullible to realize that THEY are THEIR own worst enemies.

"Teabagger Conservatives" are clueless sheep being lead to slaughter having somehow convinced themselves that their butchers are their saviors.

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DP1

April 19, 2010 6:02 PM

Too damned bad we can't shove these idiots back up their mother's holes.

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plilat

April 19, 2010 6:14 PM

What sad comments from many. Most of it is based on ignorance of what the federal government does, or doesn't do, and a major reason for this, to my mind, is the ceaseless barrage of anti-government, anti-Obama from the likes of Rush, Sean, Sarah, and many others, such as those who appear on so-called Christian networks like American Family Radio.

In the age of rapid communication, anyone can make themselves heard, leveling baseless charges on issues they know almost nothing about.

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Mary Alice

April 19, 2010 8:39 PM

Death, taxes and racism; these are three things that will always be with us. We have to accept death, understand that taxes are a part of an ordered, viable community but racism is an aberration that needs to be called out every time it rears its ugly head.

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Leftflank

April 19, 2010 9:23 PM

Tancredo is a shallow, hateful, white-supremicist, racist, jerk. That's a given. Tommy's not your average idiot though. He's got just enough sense to seperate all the truly average idiots from their money.

If you just keep focused on their main motivations, it makes all the craziness easier to understand. They hate blacks, browns, yellows & reds & not being in power hurts their bottom lines.

Racism & money (with war in a close third) is what they are all about, despite the covers.

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DeathSquad

April 19, 2010 9:43 PM

Faith without works is dead...so go load your guns!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

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Mary Alice

April 19, 2010 10:20 PM

Tom Tancredo is a dead mackerel, rotting and stinking in the moonlight.
( It's a remark one U.S. senator made of another on the floor of the Senate in the mid-1800s. I love it and use it where appropriate).

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amber

April 19, 2010 10:35 PM

What an aweful, evil, racist man. They didn't even have the decency to wear their hoods.

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Common Sense Caucus

April 19, 2010 11:03 PM

So these guys are wearing uniforms (tea bags hanging in front of their mouth from a tri point hat) and holding rifles (literally)...can we start dropping traitors yet? What's the big deal with all of these people, this has happened here before in the 1860's. It turned out to be a good growing moment, we got to clean out a lot of the inferior gene pool in America. Our only mistake was not executing all conferederates and confederate sympathizers. Oh well, looks like we will get a 2nd chance, and something tells me this time will be a WHOLE lot easier.