
The writers of some of the most widely read military blogs, including BlackFive.net and others, have released a statement in favor of repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell, while cautioning Congress not to pass legislation until after the Pentagon's review.
"Today, it appears inevitable to us that the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy and law restricting those displaying open homosexual behavior from serving will be changed. And yet, very little will actually change," the bloggers wrote. "Homosexuals have always served in the US Military, and there have been no real problems caused by that."
"Echoing Sec. Def. Gates and ADM Mullen, we welcome open and honorable service, regardless of sexual orientation," they continued.
Jim Hanson of BlackFive, who organized the effort, told TPM that not everyone who signed the statement wants repeal.
Instead, Hanson said, there was a sea change earlier this year when Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen announced their support for repeal. That's when, for many who serve in or cover the military, repeal became inevitable.
"We wanted it done right," he said. "We're of the impression that if it's gonna be done, that Congress doesn't do it precipitously."
Gates and Mullen have warned Congress against legislating such a change before December, the deadline for a Department of Defense review into how to best implement repeal.
The bloggers said they support waiting.
"We ask Congress to withhold action until this is finished, but no longer," they wrote in the statement. "We urge Congress to listen to the service chiefs and act in accordance with the recommendations of that study."
There are "a bunch of issues that need to be worked through if it's gonna be the non-problem I think it's gonna be," Hanson said. "Let the service chiefs figure out how to do this, pass legislation that mirrors that and I think you'll have a much less painful transition."
Armed Services Chairman Sen. Carl Levin (D-MO), however, said yesterday that he will put repeal into the Defense Authorization Act in committee markup this month if he can get the votes for it. That could lead to passage months earlier than Gates and Mullen want, but Levin said he'd make the effective date of repeal after December 1.
Hanson said he thinks including repeal in the authorization bill is a "horrible idea, because the military hasn't had a chance to weigh in yet."
"There's no need for people to be chaining themselves to the White House fence," he said, referring to Lt. Dan Choi, who recently did so to protest how slow repeal is moving. "Relax, and let's do a good job of it."


SkepticalCidada
May 12, 2010 4:49 PM
Repeal won't happen after the study if the Dems lose the House in November because Republicans refuse to do anything but kiss the bigoted religious right's ass.
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Jaycal
May 12, 2010 5:25 PM
"Today, it appears inevitable to us that the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy and law restricting those displaying open homosexual behavior from serving will be changed."
Call me ignorant, but repeal of DADT won't sanction 'open' homosexual behavior, just like open heterosexual behavior isn't allowed. I've never heard from my friends in the military that you can start giving oral sex or shagging in the open as long as it's with someone of the opposite sex. This repeal would only prevent someone from being discharged for something they do in private with another consenting adult.
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twirling fartknocker
May 12, 2010 7:59 PM in reply to Jaycal
re: open homosexual behavior
I think that refers to open behaviors RELATED to sexuality, like putting up a photo of your boyfriend or girlfriend, as heteros take for granted every day. Or even discussing relationships in an open and honest way, again as heteros "put in people's faces" all the time without even recognizing the privilege they enjoy in doing so.
I really don't think they are referring to actual intercourse here.
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ignoreland
May 12, 2010 6:22 PM
"Relax, and let's do a good job of it." George Reker was just saying that last week.
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mambo
May 12, 2010 6:45 PM
Ms. Sladja is naive and obviously hasn't read the stuff at sites like blackfive much, and the postings of folks like "Jimbo" Hanson.
If she did, she'd know that these folks are lying, and just trying to con the naive.
I'm retired military, and trust me, they don't want repeal, they're just playing for time, like the brass and the Republicans, hoping to delay the repeal of DADT until after the November elections, when Republicans would have a better chance of blocking it forever.
Do it now.
Waiting until the military comes up with a plan to do something that everyone knew was going to happen under Obama is silly.
It would have been like telling Harry Truman to wait on integrating the military until the bigoted and racist folks in the military had time to come up with a plan for integration that was to their liking.
It never would've happened, and we'd still be waiting.
If it's the right thing to do, and it is, do it now.
And tell the bigots in the military that don't like it to either salute and follow orders, or get the hell out.
The less bigots in the military the better.
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mass_murdock
May 12, 2010 7:42 PM in reply to mambo
Well told.
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twirling fartknocker
May 12, 2010 8:04 PM in reply to mambo
re: The less bigots in the military the better.
and beyond the military, it can have a catalytic effect on family, friends, etc of military folks. all those raised in small town, or heterogeneous populations, will have a whole new exposure to what it means to be openly gay. the fear and taboo will be diminished when these soldiers return home to the usual homophobic comments and offer a new rebuking to backwards prejudices they may have overlooked before.
the military will pave the way with rightwingers etc just as it did with race in America, IF the damned police can finally be ended
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sheerahkahn
May 12, 2010 7:06 PM
There are plenty of soldiers who hide their preferences, serve the military with honor and dignity, and no one has a clue as to their sexual orientation. I think that in itself is an indicator that the problem isn't with the self-identifying gay soldier as is the response from the non-gay soldiers inclination to harass the openly gay soldier.
All the study will show is that the problem is systemic, but it is not with the gay soldiers, rather with those soldiers who have given themselves permission to treat their fellow soldiers who are homosexual as subhuman...a lot like how they treat the enemy. And unfortunately, the issue isn't going to be easy to resolve...because there is still a large segment of our society who views people engaged in homosexuality as evil incarnate and must be "aggressively" shunned.
We have a long way to go in terms of gtfu as a society.
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Flybynite
May 12, 2010 7:56 PM
Sen. Levin is from Michigan, please.
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mambo
May 12, 2010 8:02 PM
My father had the privilege of reading Trumans's order on desegregation at formation on the ship he was on in the Med.
Boy how the racist bigots were pissed over it and fumed about it in the ward room at lunch and dinner that day.
They were damned if they were going to stand for it.
Even JCS Chairman Omar "the farmer" Bradley said he wouldn't go along, "the military was not a place for 'social' experiments."
Well, guess what?
They did, and, as much as they won't like it, the bigots will have to follow orders on this one as well.
Just do it.
And drop charge sheets on/court martial those bigots that refuse to follow orders.
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blackandtan
May 12, 2010 8:20 PM
Mambo has it exactly right this is a stall tactic hoping for a better political climate. I hope Levin's gambit succeeds and forces the DOD's hand (since obama won't do it by executive order). The soldiers will obey orders and most soldiers won't even care, it still will take years before the haters and bigots retire. Just because your hetero doesn't mean your a good soldier.
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Thetragicsongwildfire
May 12, 2010 8:37 PM
...Just because your hetero doesn't mean your a good soldier...
A little long for a t-shirt but not a bad slogan.
Yup, I think Mambo is right. The milbloggers statement is actually the opposite of what it might seem at first glance. Which is more likely? They all changed their minds at once? Or, they all agreed that this is a useful tactic to move the decision past the election(s)? Doh.
All the same, it would be nice to see them held to their position before the House goes Rep.
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des
May 12, 2010 8:50 PM
"...including the repeal in the authorization bill 'is a horrible idea, because the military hasn't had a chance to weigh in yet." Jim Hanson quote.
The military hasn't had a chance to "weigh in" yet? What's the JCS, Adm. Mullen? Chopped beef? And since when does the Pentagon canvas subordinate members of the military concernig policy changes? Answer: Never.
And apparently Mr. Hanson has very poor reading skills; Sen. Levin has already stated that the repeal would not take effect until AFTER the Pentagon report is concluded.
Undoubtedly there are some (many?) officers in the military who are anti-repeal and I would think that's much of what's behind SecDef Gates' continued attempts to delay passage of repeal; he needs time to come up with methods to enforce the new policy without driving those who oppose it out of the military. Since most of the "opposition" to repeal is religious-based, or claims it is, he's fighting a losing battle there.
Simply state that the regs will not allow ANY harassment because of the sexual orientation of ANY member of the military and that any infractions will result in a dishonorable discharge. If possible, depending on the manning levels in each specialty/rating, allow enlisted members to leave early. The enlisted members may not be easy to replace, but it can be managed. As for those officers who feel they can't enforce the new policy: let them put in their requests for discharge, let 'em go and good riddance!
Canvassing the military about policy changes, indeed!
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mambo
May 12, 2010 11:07 PM
I've served on military staffs, and I know how they can slow walk what they want to slow walk, and expedite what they want to push through.
And, sadly, fundamentalists have made real inroads into the military (the Christian Embassy, etc.).
It's gotten to the point where folks who aren't really very religious pretend to be (going to prayer breakfasts, making their subordinates go, always inviting the chaplain to speak, etc.), because they think it looks good to those above them.
No matter though.
It's simple.
Since everyone agrees "it's the right thing to do," and "it's about time," repeal DADT, and implement it when the good folks in the military come up with their plan.
In 90 days max.
I mean, they came up with the plan for Operation DESERT STORM in less than six months, and nobody knew that was coming like the repeal of DADT has been for the last 18 months, if not sixteen years.
This whole concept of "taking the time to get it right" reminds me of what Thurgood Marshall said when he was litigating for the NAACP, fighting for civil rights.
The same type of bigots trying to stop the repeal of DADT today were trying to do the same thing to civil rights legislation back then, saying "lets's not rush this, let's take our time and do it right."
Marshall said, "the Emancipation Proclamation was signed almost 100 years ago. We think 100 years is long enough."
Thurgood Marshall was right then, and the same point would be equally right on this subject today.
Civil rights are civil rights.
You don't need a plan to implement them.
And the military already has the UCMJ to enforce them.
Any talk of needing more time is just a "delaying tactic" and part of "the deception plan" as they say in the military.
As the bigots like to say, it's time to "git 'er done."
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mambo
May 12, 2010 11:38 PM
"Today, it appears inevitable to us that the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy and law restricting those displaying open homosexual behavior from serving will be changed. And yet, very little will actually change," the bloggers wrote. "Homosexuals have always served in the US Military, and there have been no real problems caused by that."
The first clue should have been the use of the term "homosexual."
For some reason I doubt they would say, "let me introduce you to some of my heterosexual squad mates."
Then again, I guess one should be upbeat that they didn't use the term "homos," or even worse derogatory terms.
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Ivo
May 13, 2010 6:01 AM
This:
"Today, it appears inevitable to us that the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy and law restricting those displaying open homosexual behavior from serving will be changed. And yet, very little will actually change, . . . Homosexuals have always served in the US Military, and there have been no real problems caused by that."
and this:
"There are "a bunch of issues that need to be worked through if it's gonna be the non-problem I think it's gonna be, . . . "Let the service chiefs figure out how to do this, pass legislation that mirrors that and I think you'll have a much less painful transition."
Seem to contradict one another. Incoherent if you ask me.
"Do it now . . . It would have been like telling Harry Truman to wait on integrating the military until the bigoted and racist folks in the military had time to come up with a plan for integration that was to their liking."
Yes.
"Civil rights are civil rights. You don't need a plan to implement them."
And,yes. This echoes the incoherence of the choice quotes above from the article.
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Metzengerstein
May 13, 2010 11:31 AM
Why couldn't this just as likely be a case of the right-wingers trying to goad the Democrats into doing repeal right before the midterms, thus energizing the Christianist, right-wing GOP base? That big op-ed piece a couple months ago was co-written by ex-Reagan and ex-GHW Bush officials. I'm always suspicious when people who had 4, 8 or 12 years to propose and implement some controversial change suddenly decide the time is right when the opposite party gets into power. And now conservative military bloggers?
I know, I know ... conspiracy theory. We all know that the right-wingers never communicate with each other or coordinate talking points or anything.
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afisher
May 13, 2010 1:34 PM
This delay request is BS. How easy was it for all the military leaders to figure out how to go from UCMJ to torture...about 5 minutes. Hmm, this is one of the strangest and BS laced articles that has come from poser's lately.
The repeal of DADT will be effective as soon as the ink dries and all the crap about why to delay will need time is just more smoke and mirrors.
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Tosh
May 16, 2010 10:28 PM
There are plenty of soldiers who hide their preferences, serve the military with honor and dignity, and no one has a clue as to their sexual orientation. I think that in itself is an indicator that the problem isn't with the self-identifying gay soldier as is the response from the non-gay soldiers inclination to harass the openly gay soldier.
All the study will show is that the problem is systemic, but it is not with the gay soldiers, rather with those soldiers who have given themselves permission to treat their fellow soldiers who are homosexual as subhuman...a lot like how they treat the enemy. And unfortunately, the issue isn't going to be easy to resolve...because there is still a large segment of our society who views people engaged in homosexuality as evil incarnate and must be "aggressively" shunned.
We have a long way to go in terms of gtfu as a society.
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