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Oklahoma State Rep. Rex Duncan (R) is pushing for a ballot measure that would prohibit courts from considering international or sharia law when deciding cases. He says the measure is a "preemptive strike" against "liberal judges" who want to "undermine those founding principles" of America.

The "Save Our State" amendment would require Oklahoma courts to use state and federal laws only when ruling, and Duncan explained on MSNBC today that he wants to ensure "that our courts are not used to undermine those founding principles, and turn Oklahoma into something that our founding fathers and our great grandparents wouldn't recognize."

He said that "Oklahomans recognize that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles," and that his measure "is a pre-emptive strike to make sure that liberal judges don't take to the bench in an effort to use their position to undermine" those principles by considering international or sharia law.

When asked if there was a danger of judges doing this, Duncan maintained that though it hasn't happened yet, "it's not just a danger. It's a reality."

"This is a war for the survival of America," he said.

Duncan is also known for being among a group of lawmakers who returned their gift copies of the Quran to a state diversity panel, because they said the book endorses "the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology."

He has also introduced legislation to subject repeat child molesters to the death penalty,

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June 11, 2010 3:11 PM   

The gays and the muslims, they're all in it together I tell you!

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June 11, 2010 4:55 PM    in reply to mcc

imagine a gay Muslim.

GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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June 11, 2010 11:19 PM    in reply to alyoshakaramazov

Obviously Republicans don't believe in international law. Why else would George W. Bush order torture which made him a war criminal according to the Geneva Convention. The only time that Republicans believe in international law is when the prisoner of war is an American, then international law is paramount. In any other case, international law does not apply, as far as Republicans are concerned. This is yet another example of the hypocracy, tyranny, and un-Americanism of Republicans, Conservatives, and Tea Baggers. The rule of law never applies to Republicans, Conservatives, and Tea Baggers, who believe they are above the law, U.S. or international.

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June 12, 2010 7:20 PM    in reply to John M

Torture not only made him an international criminal but torture is violation of US law as well.

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June 26, 2010 12:49 AM    in reply to John M

For those in favor of sharia law: obviously you have no idea what sharia law is do you now? Hope you're not homosexual, or commit a crime where an "eye for an eye" is implemented. Or maybe you might be a wife beater so this sharia law is exciting as it says a "man can beat his wife if he feels she's high handed"...or maybe female mutilation is more to your tastes or oppression, etc...if you like this type of law then by all means go to the Middle East and practice it there

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August 1, 2010 1:51 AM    in reply to llmc

Who's advocating for Sharia Law in America? Where is this eminent threat?

Frankly, I don't care for some of this Judeo-Christian crap, either.

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June 12, 2010 3:41 PM    in reply to mcc

"He has also introduced legislation to subject repeat child molesters to the death penalty"

this is the only thing i can agree with

the rest is absolutely retarded

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June 12, 2010 5:35 PM    in reply to NerdRage

So, you're good with telling sex offenders that they might as well kill their victims? That would be the clear message sent by imposing the death penalty: things won't get any worse if you kill the victim, and they might get better, because you might not get identified. That ok by you?

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June 11, 2010 3:24 PM   

"Duncan is also known for being among a group of lawmakers who returned their gift copies of the Quran to a state diversity panel, because they said the book endorses "the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology."

Actually, Duncan darling, so does the Bible. So maybe you and Osama Bin Laden are peas in a pod, separated only by the bacon divide.

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June 11, 2010 4:45 PM    in reply to jsdc007

To be fair, the bacon divide is a big deal.

Mmmmmmmm...bacon.

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June 11, 2010 8:57 PM    in reply to hunter

The bacon thing is a western plot to keep all the salty deliciousness to our heathen selves.

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June 12, 2010 12:50 AM    in reply to blkblt

The bacon thing is a plot by western oligarhs to starve the poor so that they can get bacon and ham on their table.

The pig eats essentially the same foods as human beings, so if pigs are raised for food they take away food from poor humans. Wealthy western oligarchs consider only their own pleasure to the detriment of poorer people who may not have as much food as they need to live.

Someone should point this out to Duncan. It demonstrates the greater morality of Islam over xtianity.

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June 12, 2010 11:46 AM    in reply to Richardxx

the problem is western oligarhs couldn't figure out how to make decent bacon out of poor people.

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June 12, 2010 1:14 PM    in reply to blkblt

That may change - for most of the history of the world, poor people were too skinny (you gotta have that nice layer of fat for bacon). Now in the US, it's a different situation.

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June 11, 2010 5:56 PM    in reply to jsdc007

This guy has read the Bible right? The one where God sends a pack of bears to devour a group of children for the capital crime of making fun of some guy's baldness?

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June 11, 2010 7:50 PM    in reply to The Trooper

Well, let's face it, they deserved it. If some kid made fun of my weight I would have no problem getting my AK-47 and teaching the punk a lesson.

Also, the Bibble advocates stoning children who are disobedient to their parents. Just think of how much better behaved kids would be in this country if we applied that good, old-fashioned Judeo-Christian principle!

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June 11, 2010 8:32 PM    in reply to commie atheist

Bacon even makes intolerance delicious! MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

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June 12, 2010 1:32 PM    in reply to commie atheist

Yes...we should all be stoned!!!

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June 12, 2010 10:15 AM    in reply to The Trooper

As one of the follicularly-challenged, this is the only part of the Bible I approve of.

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June 12, 2010 9:05 PM    in reply to The Trooper

The only part of the bible these "people" (term used loosely) care about is the part where it supposedly says gay sex and abortion are wrong.

If you actually read the bible, it says neither. Go figure.

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June 14, 2010 9:01 AM    in reply to jsdc007

And let us not forget Lott offering up his daughters for an orgy, and, if memory serves, having sex with them himself later on.

The Bible should be X-Rated.

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June 11, 2010 3:34 PM   

Duh! Our Founding Fathers wouldn't recognize Oklahoma... it was on the western side of the Mississippi River. And they surely wouldn't recognize the rabid wingnut Republicans who occupy the statehouse now.

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June 11, 2010 4:14 PM    in reply to syqodem

Hey now, if we're lucky Brittney Novotny will beat Sally Kern.

Kern losing to a transgender candidate... delicious.

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June 11, 2010 8:26 PM    in reply to syqodem

Back in the day, before it became a state, the Federal government administered Oklahoma from a courthouse in Fort Smith, Arkansas. Federal Judges, including the famous Judge Parker, would send marshals into Oklahoma to arrest criminals (most of the white population.) They would bring them back to Fort Smith for hanging after a short trial. Apparently this fool's ancestors evaded capture.

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June 12, 2010 10:53 AM    in reply to ronbyers

Used to be a saying back then - "No Sunday west of St. Louis and no God west of Ft. Smith."

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June 11, 2010 3:37 PM   

For the non-lawyers, there is a large body of law going back to English Common Law concerning "conflict of law" issues. A conflict of law occurs anytime the law from two or more jurisdictions may apply, based on where the act occurred, where a contract was signed or the terms of the contract, where the home office of a corporation is registered, and a variety of other factors. These issues are often quite complicated and technical and can involve state federal and international law.

I don't know if Duncan is grandstanding, clueless or both, but I have serious doubts that a state could unilaterally overturn hundreds of years of law and put in place a law that is in violation of federal law and international treaties.

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June 11, 2010 5:09 PM    in reply to Mr.E.

He is grandstanding AND clueless. And, probably, a hypocrite. He doubtless endorses the adoption of CHRISTIAN "sharia."

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June 11, 2010 7:15 PM    in reply to Mr.E.

Only intelligent, level-headed lawmakers can comprehend what you have just explained.

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June 11, 2010 3:40 PM   

Wow this is insanity.

This man is in a position of power? I am amazed he manages to feed himself.

Come on.

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June 11, 2010 4:09 PM    in reply to rbeats

RE: "I am amazed he manages to feed himself." - rbeats
MY COMMENT: I imagine "the little missus" takes care of that. Otherwise, he must have a 'paid caretaker'.

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June 11, 2010 10:37 PM    in reply to DICKERSON3870

...he must have a 'paid caretaker'.

How much can it cost to water him twice a week and throw on some fertilizer once in a while?

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June 11, 2010 8:36 PM    in reply to rbeats

He has to have a breathing coach or else he passes out.

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June 11, 2010 3:47 PM   

This guy looks like a tool. First off, we are a secular nation that WAS NOT founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. If you don't believe me, go check out the Treaty of Tripoli, or the Declaration of Independence when they used the catch-all word "Creator," with no specific reference to a Christian God.

Secondly, I know this guy has not read the bible because if he did he would return it to where he found it just as he did when he recieved the Quran as a gift. There are tons of verses that condone killing and genocide. Just another part-time Christian grandstanding on biblical bullshit.

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June 11, 2010 5:59 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

Not to mention condoning polygamy and incest. (For the latter, check out the story of Lot and his daughters -- the ones he had offered to allow the men of Sodom to rape -- after they fled the city of Sodom.)

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June 11, 2010 6:06 PM    in reply to slb

Oh trust me, I'm an atheist so I'm very well versed in the bible. Reading it in-context is what drove me away from Christianity. If you can read the whole thing, from Genesis to Revalation and not be repulsed, you're a sick SOB.

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June 11, 2010 10:00 PM    in reply to Hobbes83

That's why your supposed to take the message realizing the times in which it was written. Same goes for the Declaration and Constitution.

Only fundamentalist want to read both documents as if our brains had ceased evolving.

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June 12, 2010 12:01 AM    in reply to anelder

Agreed. Most of the fundies are menu Constitutionalists anyways.

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June 12, 2010 8:57 AM    in reply to Hobbes83

Not to mention Biblical cafeteria Christians as well -- Old Testament rules concerning sex apply while Old Testament rules concerning food and clothing do not.

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June 12, 2010 10:28 AM    in reply to AJM

Hobbes and ajm, both those comments are spot-on, and one of the reasons the rank and file fundamentalists are fraught with so much hypocrisy and confusion. So many of their "leaders" lead them into those very ditches.

Blind lemmings led by deaf goats owned by hungry wolves...

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June 11, 2010 3:52 PM   

They loves them some pre-emption.

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June 11, 2010 3:54 PM   

Time to consider IQ tests for holding public offices. We desperately need to thin this herd of lunatic morons.

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June 11, 2010 4:08 PM    in reply to pmccoy

I agree with pmccoy. I have said many times, our biggest problem in the United States is an ignorant, backward, ill-educated populace that is especially coveted by the gop, as it could not exist otherwise. If we want to make sure the gop and the failed conservative philosophy takes its rightful place on the dung-heap of history, we need to insist on ratcheting up our public education system a few notches.

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June 11, 2010 4:18 PM    in reply to pmccoy

You obviously haven't lived in Oklahoma. Such a requirement would disqualify the majority of the population.

Trying to teach to Oklahomans drove me out of the teaching profession.

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June 11, 2010 4:20 PM    in reply to farnsworth

He's just doing this for attention. It's election time.

But let the following URL give you hope:

http://brittany4hd84.com/

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June 11, 2010 6:01 PM    in reply to farnsworth

You obviously haven't lived in Oklahoma. Such a requirement would disqualify the majority of the population.

And this would be a bad thing because...?

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June 11, 2010 9:56 PM    in reply to slb

Because I would be one of the few who qualified and they might make me take the job.

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June 11, 2010 10:30 PM    in reply to slb

Because I would be one of the few who qualified and they might make me take the job.

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June 11, 2010 4:25 PM    in reply to pmccoy

It's not the stupidity that's the problem -- we've had stupid politicians since, well, forever, and somehow the republic has managed to survive. It's the insanity of the current crop of right-wing pseudo-Christians that really gives me the willies. The look in their eyes is pure fanaticism. "The future belongs to me" type.

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June 11, 2010 7:22 PM    in reply to Peter Principle

Remember, 42.5 per cent of republicans believe Mr Obama is a Muslim who wants to institute Sharia Law.

Does that help at all?

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June 11, 2010 5:02 PM    in reply to pmccoy

no.

a civics test.

10th-grade level.

It would clean out two thirds of Congress.

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June 11, 2010 5:55 PM    in reply to alyoshakaramazov

Shit, that would clean out about 2/3rds of America.

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June 11, 2010 4:01 PM   

Personally I think the only thing that brings a connection between US judges and sharia law is the lock stop of judeo-christian conservative acttivist and politicians who demand that our courts simply follow judeo-christian bible law. The forget to mention that our ciuntry was founded by a variety of white fellows from diverse backgrounds in a period which is defined by the enlightenment. Some were conservative, some were religious but all steadfastly feared religion eroding the freedom of the people and publicly elected officials from religious dogma. Remember the Puritans escaped England because of the way they felt the Anglican church restricted their ability to practice their faith. Of course not all American are puritans, of course not all americans are english, italian, french, spanish, native american etc but rather we are diverse nation in which our founding fathers saw the necessity to keep the state out of people religious practices.

Oh and what this lawmaker is proposing is unconstitutional and those who don't agree with him in the state should ask why he is asking the taxpayers to fund something that clearly will cost the state and the federal government money and will without a doubt be struck down. This guy is a radical conservative, he is a wasteful lawmaker who does not recognize that now might be the time to propose legislation that helps fellow OK people in their daily lives.

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June 11, 2010 4:26 PM    in reply to JoshQuasimoto

Completely agree...

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June 11, 2010 4:12 PM   

He has also introduced legislation to subject repeat child molesters to the death penalty,

Sounds like something they'd do in Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Taliban Afghanistan.

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June 11, 2010 6:04 PM    in reply to TJF

...under Sharia law. Oh, the irony!

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June 11, 2010 4:12 PM   

Dear Internet,

On behalf of all liberal Okies, I want to apologize for this.

Sincerely,

Liberal Oklahoma

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June 11, 2010 4:53 PM    in reply to LiberalRedneck

What is in the water that makes some of the OK legislators so looney. I could diregard this if he wasn't an elected legislator, but wowzer is he really that fearful of everything.

Maybe you could volunteer to go and polish his crystal ball, as it seems to be seriously covered with brown stuff.

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June 11, 2010 6:06 PM    in reply to afisher

What is in the water that makes some of the OK legislators so looney.

Hmmmm, could it be -- fluoride??? Eeek!!

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June 11, 2010 4:17 PM   

This shouldn't be that hard. The Constitution says treaties are considered law. Much international law is based on treaties. In those instances where international law is based on treaties ratified by the U.S., it applies in the U.S. Period.

That stuff about sharia would be a laugh, except conservatives are trying to turn "liberal" and Muslim" into synonyms. For "liberal" judges to apply sharia law makes as much sense as "liberal" judges citing World Net Daily as a source of legal expertise.

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June 11, 2010 6:08 PM    in reply to ericf

Thank you, my thoughts exactly! Sharia law is a lot closer to what religious conservatives are likely to want than it is to what liberals would even consider.

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June 11, 2010 6:20 PM    in reply to ericf

International Treaties are only binding if they have bee ratified by the legislature. In ratifying them, they become law. Hence, if courts would be applying international treaties in the resolution of a case, they would be applying American law. International treaties that are not ratified are of persuasive value only, and any court that would base a ruling on an international treaty, by itself, would be overturned, as sure as it would be overturned if it contravened this piece-of-shit legislation this cloth-eared wingnut proposes. This is nothing more than grandstanding, waving red-meat nonsense in front of the mouth-breathers. Take a breath, count to ten, and remember, OK ain't even SC or TX or AZ. But it sure is trying hard.

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June 11, 2010 4:21 PM   

He should propose an amendment preventing a repeal of the Law of Gravity, since that is equally likely.

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June 11, 2010 4:28 PM   

Boy, seems like these guys must just stay awake all night thinking up scary things that the godless, America hating libruls might do next. Of course, I'm guessing that trying to sleep in a puddle of pee is pretty hard at his age, so maybe it helps him pass the time until daylight when he can get out of bed without getting grabbed by the monsters who live underneath it.

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June 11, 2010 4:43 PM   

what a name.

Rex Duncan.

Can't get any more American than that. Thank goodness SOMEONE is finally keeping this country safe from Sharia law!!

Now can we talk about keeping it safe from Christian law, as well?

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June 11, 2010 9:08 PM    in reply to alyoshakaramazov

Rex Duncan=King Duncan. Historically he was called Duncan the sick. In Shakespeare he is killed in his sleep by Macbeth. Interesting choice by Mom and Dad.

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June 13, 2010 6:39 PM    in reply to blkblt

Sir: Any response to a blog comment that incorporates the great bard is truly deserving of praise - thank you!

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June 11, 2010 4:48 PM   

This guy demonstrates the danger of ignorance to our society. There is a greater reason to fear him and those like him than to fear "liberal judges."

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June 11, 2010 4:52 PM   

Duncan is also known for being among a group of lawmakers who returned their gift copies of the Quran to a state diversity panel, because they said the book endorses "the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology."

From Numbers 31:

They waged war against the Midianites, as the LORD had commanded Moses, and killed every male among them. Besides those slain in battle, they killed the five Midianite kings: Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba; and they also executed Balaam, son of Beor, with the sword. But the Israelites kept the women of the Midianites with their little ones as captives, and all their herds and flocks and wealth as spoil, while they set on fire all the towns where they had settled and all their encampments.

Then they took all the booty, with the people and beasts they had captured, and brought the captives, together with the spoils and booty, to Moses and the priest Eleazar and to the Israelite community at their camp on the plains of Moab, along the Jericho stretch of the Jordan.

When Moses and the priest Eleazar, with all the princes of the community, went outside the camp to meet them, Moses became angry with the officers of the army, the clan and company commanders, who were returning from combat. "So you have spared all the women!" he exclaimed. "Why, they are the very ones who on Balaam's advice prompted the unfaithfulness of the Israelites toward the LORD in the Peor affair, which began the slaughter of the LORD'S community.

"Slay, therefore, every male child and every woman who has had intercourse with a man. But you may spare and keep for yourselves all girls who had no intercourse with a man."

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June 11, 2010 5:08 PM    in reply to nitpicker

"Booty" is in the fracking Bible?

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June 11, 2010 5:29 PM    in reply to alyoshakaramazov

Yes, but when the Israelites went on a boot call, people died.

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June 11, 2010 5:30 PM    in reply to TPMReaderHG

That should be "booty", of course.

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June 11, 2010 6:23 PM    in reply to nitpicker

Wasn't Balaam the guy with the talking donkey?

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June 11, 2010 10:45 PM    in reply to slb

"Talking ASS," sezs the Babble. Which may, or may not, be the same thing.

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June 12, 2010 9:02 AM    in reply to thepoliticalcat

Talking ass? Can you get that from eating too much manna?

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June 14, 2010 9:34 AM    in reply to Official A

Read "The Naked Lunch"

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June 11, 2010 4:55 PM   

Hmm, doesn't this mean that gay marriage and abortion couldn't be banned then? The only justification that is ever given for those bans is one based on religious law not U.S. code, right?

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June 11, 2010 4:57 PM   

inbreeding.

'nuf said.

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June 11, 2010 4:59 PM   

Good Grief! The christian bible is so full of killing I am surprised the damned thing doesn't drip blood when you pick it up! What these idiots are really afraid of is open minded people choosing a path in life that actually benefits open minded people. The Oklahoma Christian Taliban are the same blood brothers of all the fundamentalist cults all over the world. They are obsessed with shutting down freedom of thought and enforcing their dogma at all costs. They derive their power from the following of simple minded frightened children.

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June 11, 2010 5:07 PM   

Say what you will...
It's an election year and this guy just made sure nobody runs to his right.

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June 11, 2010 5:15 PM   

Oklahoma was originally set up as a concentration camp for Native Americans, the end of the Trail of Tears.
Now it's a concentration of batshit crazy politicians.

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June 11, 2010 5:48 PM    in reply to jeffgee

Aye,and the Founding Fathers had it in mind when they wrote the Constitution based on the Bible. Just as Rex Duncan says. And the earth has four corners.

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June 11, 2010 5:16 PM   

Is it just me or there is contest going on between the South and Mid-west politicians to out dumb each other?

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June 11, 2010 5:33 PM    in reply to xargaw

Oklahoma is NOT midwest! It's Great Plains or west.

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June 11, 2010 5:51 PM    in reply to AlphaLiberal

Southwest, to be precise.

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June 11, 2010 7:15 PM    in reply to farnsworth

Not southwest, bible belt maybe.

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June 11, 2010 10:34 PM    in reply to Leftflank

Oklahoma is in the part of the country known as the Southwest. This isn't my idea.

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June 11, 2010 5:52 PM    in reply to AlphaLiberal

I've always thought of it as the dumbass tail-end of the Ozarks.

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June 11, 2010 5:32 PM   

The Far West has its own Angle on the competition-- see also Lowden and numerous other folks from Arizona, folks in Idaho and Lowden as well as Alaska's former half term governor.

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June 11, 2010 5:34 PM   

How do people wind up thinking like this? Is he a Jerry Corsi dupe or just clumsily trying to manipulate the rubes?

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June 11, 2010 5:37 PM   

Just a test to see f this works.

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June 11, 2010 5:53 PM   

let's hope there is at least one sane, intelligent news journalist left in okhaloma to make this guy prove what he says; are people that sacred because they are that stupid or what?

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June 11, 2010 6:02 PM   

Oh please! PLEASE Mr. Republican! Please invent some absurd, hypothetical situation and then step up and save me from it !!!!

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June 11, 2010 6:03 PM   

The ONLY activist judges I've heard about are the RIGHT WING ones. Is this guy the stupidest person in the world or what?

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June 11, 2010 6:32 PM    in reply to Suzanne

Yes, thank god. Now there's one below me.

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June 11, 2010 6:45 PM    in reply to Suzanne

There aren't any left-wing judges left, not in the federal system, certainly. The right has seen to that. They won't confirm anyone left of center. All those judges they are now denouncing as "extreme liberals" are actually centrists.

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June 11, 2010 6:06 PM   

The "Save Our State" amendment would require Oklahoma courts to use state and federal laws only when ruling, and Duncan explained on MSNBC today that he wants to ensure "that our courts are not used to undermine those founding principles, and turn Oklahoma into something that our founding fathers and our great grandparents wouldn't recognize."

I suppose then, he would also accept that since Oklahoma courts are to use only state and Federal laws when ruling, they should be prohibited from using Biblical law.

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June 11, 2010 6:11 PM   

My list of places to never live or visit is getting longer and longer.

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June 11, 2010 6:13 PM   

I'm developing a theory that it's allergy medicine. High-strength new-generation allergy medicines. As paranoid as the U.S. was in the '50's, it really seems like something is biochemically off with a lot of our populace...

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June 11, 2010 6:14 PM   

America, meet the least and the worst among you. OK State Sen. Rex Duncan has just made this list with his idiotic, bigoted, backwater hillbilly redneck ignorance, at a time when what people need most are leaders engaged in solving real problems, not fighting the imaginary devils of their own overworked, pitiful imaginations.

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June 11, 2010 6:25 PM   

Question: Will conservative judges be allowed to use Shia'ria law? Just askin'....

Cheers,

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June 11, 2010 7:13 PM    in reply to zuch

Yes. Sadly, they won't even know it.

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June 11, 2010 6:49 PM   

I think liberals in Oklahoma should actively support this legislation as a way to keep biblical law out of the courtroom and then stand back and watch wingnut heads explode.

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June 11, 2010 7:11 PM   

I want a law passed that says no one can force me to worship at a Mosque.

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June 11, 2010 7:24 PM   

In it's place, we can bring back good ol' Biblical stonings of pagans and other miscreants who have fallen out of the favor of God.

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June 11, 2010 7:34 PM   

"Oklahoma State Senator Aims To Stop Liberals"
This should have been the real title to this article, this brain washed rube get his political positions from morning radio disc jockeys and guys running the woods with guns thinking the movie Red Dawn is a documentary.

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June 11, 2010 7:38 PM   

Can we add the Constitution of the Confederate States of America to that list? That ought to confuse the teabaggers pretty good... :)

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June 11, 2010 7:59 PM   

This knucklehead is not honoring the very reason this nation exists, due to his immature and unfounded fears.
But, Oklahoma is trying to beat Texas for the most dysfunctional state.

Impeach anyone who cannot tolerate any religion and openly contradicts the US Constitution.

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June 11, 2010 8:21 PM   

Could a conservative judge apply sharia law? And if not, why is this soft-on-crime professional pol opposed to cutting child molesters' hands off?

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June 11, 2010 8:31 PM   

"Thus says the LORD of hosts...go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant" (1 Samuel 15:3).

"But as for the towns of these people...you must noet let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them" (Deuteronomy 20:16).

"Shout! For the LORD has given you the city. The city and all that is in it shall be devoted to the LORD for destruction....Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old" (Joshua 6:16,21).

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves" (Numbers 31:17).

Now then, which holy book was it that, "endorses the idea of killing women and children in the name of ideology?"

This is why we need people to be wiser and less ideological. Precisely this.

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June 11, 2010 9:19 PM   

One point of language: the definition of sharia is "Islamic law." Since the concept of "law" is included in the word itself, it is wrong to use the expression "sharia law." That's a tautology, much like the phrase "Republican asshole."

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June 12, 2010 12:41 PM    in reply to acanuck

Correction: "republican asshole" is a redundancy; "all republicans are assholes" is a tautology.

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June 12, 2010 3:53 PM    in reply to pbuchberg

I disagree. "All Republicans are assholes" is an axiom.

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June 12, 2010 4:07 PM    in reply to acanuck

It's a little-known fact that phrase was included in the first draft of the Declaration of Indepedence, right after "We hold these truths to be self-evident ...." It got edited out when some of the founding fathers noted that, since the Republican Party hadn't been invented yet, it was redundant.

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June 12, 2010 10:48 PM    in reply to acanuck

Or in Randian symbolic terms.
R = A.

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June 11, 2010 9:50 PM   

I guess Oklahoma is worried about being left behind in the Crazy Race. Can't we build a fence around Oklahoma instead of along the southern border? I'd much rather keep Oklahoman's confined in a defined area.

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June 12, 2010 12:04 AM    in reply to CyberDuckie

It would cost too much money because you would have to extend it to Texas as well to keep teh stoopid from spreading from there as well. South Carolina would also be a VERY good candidate considering the shit that's coming out of that state lately.

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June 11, 2010 11:11 PM   

Oh wait! I know! Let's cover the entire state in a giant dome. Maybe we can get a deal from BP's dome contractor.

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June 12, 2010 12:14 AM   

Hmmm ... I could have sworn liberals all over the world fight against using Sharia. Sharia is what Taleban wants to use ....

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June 12, 2010 3:30 AM   

a "preemptive strike" -

I've noticed this kind of thing a lot in GOPers' complaints about Obama: they don't criticize what he's actually done, or even what he proposes to do, but what he (supposedly) "intends" to do.

Concentration camps, Sharia law...they really *are* crazy.

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June 12, 2010 5:42 AM   

It's a little confusing. A few weeks ago the Oklahoma republicans were discussing legislation to form a state militia for the purpose of resisting federal law and federal authority. They also want "Judeo-Christian" law to replace federal law. On the other hand, the Oklahoma republicans want to preserve the supremacy of federal law by stopping liberal judges from applying sharia and international law as they usually do when ruling on cases. Anyway, this guy Duncan looks like a real doofus, which might explain the whole thing.

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June 12, 2010 6:13 AM   

duncan doesn't want the competition with his religious version of america:

Oklahoma Abortion Law: No Exceptions, Even Rape
Women Left Clinic Crying; Sexual Abuse Victims Say Sonogram and Lecture Doubly Traumatize Women
By SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES

April 29, 2010—

From the time she was 15 and repeatedly over the course of two years, Joelle Casteix -- a vulnerable teen with an alcoholic mother -- was sexually abused by her California high school music teacher.

At 17, when Casteix discovered she was pregnant with her assailant's child, she sought an abortion, one that she says was emotionally painful, but she doesn't regret.

"For the first time in my life, I did something to take care of myself," she said. "I needed to ensure my safety and make sure he wouldn't hurt me. For me it was an act of survival."

At the abortion clinic, Casteix was given comfort and counseling then underwent a standard sonogram to determine the gestational age of the fetus. Sheturned her eyes away from the screen.

But under a new law in Oklahoma, women like Casteix, who have been sexually assaulted, will be forced to undergo a second trauma. The law requires them to undergo a sonogram, and depending on the state of pregnancy, it could be a transvaginal one, which involves insertion of a wand.

The doctor must then turn the screen towards her and describe fetal dimensions and details like the number of fingers and toes and heart activity.

There are no exemptions for victims of rape and incest.

"The law takes no account of the trauma of the victim," said Casteix. "I just can't imagine what that would have done to me. It upsets me just thinking about being in that position. If you are the victim of a violent crime, it's absolutely devastating."

The Oklahoma law was enacted immediately on Tuesday after both the state's Republican-controlled House and Senate voted to override Democrat Gov. Brad Henry's veto of two anti-abortion bills.

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June 12, 2010 7:02 AM   

Fuckin' magnets: how do they work?

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June 12, 2010 7:17 AM   

"Oklahomans recognize that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles..."

Rather, you pathetic self-aggrandizing ineducable anti-intellectual anti-reality congenital liar, America was founded on freedom of, and from, your pathetic superstition.

Evidently they didn't teach you that in school when they were filling your head with fantasies of an invisible sky daddy.

Hey, hillbilly boy, we won't tolerate your sharia law either. We aren't laughing with you -- we're laughing at you.

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June 12, 2010 11:01 AM    in reply to trippin

Actually, we call them Okabilly around here.

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June 12, 2010 8:17 AM   

What gets into these people and turns them into such idiots? Is it conservatism? Is it the Oklahoma air? I am constantly amazed by the number of out-and-out nutjobs America produces, and by the fact that 95% of the wackaloons are conservatives.

What is wrong with the brains of people like this?

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June 12, 2010 8:21 AM   

Such a pathetic little worm, it's a shame he needs attention so badly. Are his constituents as stupid as he is?

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June 12, 2010 10:32 AM    in reply to barrelhse

only the ones who vote for him the next time around...

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June 12, 2010 8:22 AM   

I find no instances of the word "sharia" anywhere in the reported cases of Oklahoma's appellate courts.

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June 12, 2010 8:23 AM   

I want a law passed that keeps Liberals from forcing our drinking water to be clean!

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June 12, 2010 10:09 AM   

Holy hell. This schmuck makes Steve Largent look like a flaming socialist.

And I am so fucking sick of these evangelical Reconstructionist fanatics clinging to "Judeo-Christian" values. These people are none too fond of the Jews.

I'm all in favour of democracy, but it's the feeble-minded lunatics like Duncan that make the case for Plato's Republic all the more compelling.

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June 12, 2010 10:31 AM    in reply to EnnuiDivine

Not to mention the billions of dollars nationally these state legislatures waste in time and actual expenses on these political posturing policies, all of which will never see a single moment of practical application, and were never intended to do anything but stir emotions and prejudice in the voting public.

You'f think the citizens of Oklahoma would get tired of seeing their money wasted by these right-looney debacles.

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June 12, 2010 10:55 AM   

Okay this guy is drinking the 'crazy' water that makes some people willing to believe and say 'anything'.

I am so sick of the 'Judeo-Christian'programming. I am neither Christian or Jew and the seperation of church and state is one of the most important aspects of our democracy... I just wish it was not constantly being ignored and abused.

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June 12, 2010 11:42 AM   

How does this kind of thing even get started?

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June 12, 2010 1:12 PM   

>>he wants to ensure "that our courts are not used to undermine those founding principles, and turn Oklahoma into something that our founding fathers and our great grandparents wouldn't recognize."

Oklahoma already is something that our founding fathers wouldn't recognize. All the intelligent people have left or died, leaving only morons like this idiot.

This is an incredibly bigoted and stupid proposal.

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June 12, 2010 2:17 PM   

Why would one find his comments outrageous, as they truly are, given the state is OK? After all OK has demonstrated their disdain for education and electing conscientious erudite politicians to represent their best interests: Senators Inhofe and Corburn.

What OK needs to legislate is a requirement that candidates for public office must have a working knowledge of the constitution and an ability, unlike this state senator, to comprehend spoken and written composition/dialogue.

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June 12, 2010 6:01 PM   

sounds good .. while we're at it let's make sure that pesky christian dominionist dogma doesn't get in there either.

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson

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June 12, 2010 7:01 PM   

Yep, sounds like Oklahoma.

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June 13, 2010 4:01 AM   

This is an excellent move. Americans do not need sharia, nor should they submit to international law.

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June 13, 2010 4:29 AM   

American society has been a Christian one for most of American history. It is this Christian heritage that has made America successful. The very argument that Government should not be religious is a Christian principle that was espoused by Jesus (give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's).

This principle was supported by the majority of Christians who knew from experience exactly what religious governments(ie. Roman Catholicim, the inquisition)did.

Islamic ideology is dangerous since it wishes to control both government and religious spheres.

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June 13, 2010 1:47 PM    in reply to steiner

hey, you know whats really interesting...

christianity dominated government for thousands of years

and interestingly enough, people want to go back to that...

hmmmmm...a parallel between christianity and islam....no fucking way!

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June 13, 2010 2:21 PM    in reply to NerdRage

It seems that I have heart your Islamic sensitivities. What exactly are you complaining about? That we havent been clit-cutting for that long instead?

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June 13, 2010 2:46 PM    in reply to steiner

Yeah, witch-burning was AWESOME! Nothing like shutting up some uppity women *and* stealing their property for the glory of Jeebus!

I'm sure you're a *huge* hit at the KKK rallies.

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June 13, 2010 3:49 PM    in reply to Matt Jones

look, what are u trying to prove? 20 million people were murdered by Stalin and his atheist regime...'the new brotherhood,' they went about declaring how they would begin a new revolution...

How about Mao? 60 million?

Or the Hindu Kush...or the genocide of over 2.5 million Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks...

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June 13, 2010 7:04 PM    in reply to steiner

So...those people were killed because of atheism? You know, I've been an atheist most of my life (there were a few years some time after I was born that my parents tried to make me a True Believer™ - it didn't take) and I have never once felt the need to commit mass murder. I'm guessing that Stalin and Mao were only incidentally atheist, and Hitler was certainly a documented Xtian of some sort. Your other examples have nothing to do with atheism. Now, can you think of how many times religion was directly responsible for mass murder? I certainly am able to: Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Salem, Ireland, India/Pakistan, Taliban Afghanistan, et freakin' cetera...

Try again, only this time try to find a more original and (dare I say it?) factual point.

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June 13, 2010 8:25 PM    in reply to Sir Craig

That was easy, wasnt it?

Those 2, Stalin and Mao...they were the exception not the rule?!.

But of course, it takes more than 2 people to kill 80 million?

Hence quite a few atheists must have believed in the new brotherhood that Stalin and Mao believed in.

Let's not forget other atheist movements like the Khmer Rouge, or those that led in the French Revolution and had an idol called Reason built. We know how these very people had no qualms in butchering each other as well.

You mention Hitler... what makes u think he was a Christian? He was a follower of Nietszche, who had concluded that in order for the new superman to be born, both Judeo and Christian faiths had to be destroyed. He may have claimed he was a Catholic, but only to fool people in supporting him for elections.

Hitler loved Islam and admired its military brutality? The mufti of Jerusalem who also took part in the genocide against the Armenians met with Hitler, influenced his ideology and ran a Nazi brigade (Handzar division)that killed over one hundred thousand Jewish and Christians.

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June 13, 2010 9:18 PM    in reply to Sir Craig

In regards to the crusades, how should they have acted with the Islamist advance into northern Africa, in Eastern Europe and Western Europe...

These places were Christian and were attacked without any reason by Muhammed and his followers. What would you have them do? allowed Islamists to take all of Western Europe without defending themselves? They naturally fought back...shame on you for wanting people to be butchered without offering any resistance ?

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June 14, 2010 3:09 AM    in reply to Sir Craig

In fact it can be concluded that throughout history, unless atheism was grounded in Christianity, it has been homicidal,and in fact genocidal. Your values are mostly Christian values, not atheistic ones. Show me a country that has pushed Christianity aside and established itself in atheism and I shall show you a genocidal country..

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July 22, 2010 3:51 PM    in reply to steiner

You're a loon. My values are mine, through years of careful consideration, and not the result of a fairy tale. If the two coincide, great, but they are not Christian.

Why is this? Because my actions are altruistic: I do not expect reward, unlike Christians who do what they do out of fear. (Don't like blanket statements? Don't make them.)

You also engage in some of the oddest reasoning I've ever seen (atheism grounded in Christianity? Do you even know what atheism is? Or means?), and done so in such volume that it screams 'crazy pills'.

I'm going to guess that, even though I am about a month behind on responding to your comments (the hazards of being in the military - you tend to not have a lot of free time), I will see a response from you following this. Call it a hunch...

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August 1, 2010 1:48 AM    in reply to Sir Craig

As a healthily skeptic secular humanist, I don't believe in the supernatural. Some people fail to see a distinction between one saying, "There is no God," and one saying, "I do not believe there is a God." By virtue of this distinction, I expect to be exempted from inclusion on the "Religion Pie Chart," clumped in a generic group as "Atheist."

Steiner's argument is purely illogical.

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June 13, 2010 2:24 PM    in reply to NerdRage

Misspelled hurt...

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June 13, 2010 2:26 PM    in reply to steiner

What's that? Islam wishes to control both government and religion? Say it ain't so!

And while you're saying it ain't so, can you tell me how that's different from Christian extremists trying to tell women what they can and cannot do through legislation, or talk a little about what goes on at C-Street? Nothing like Christian-funded cheap rent for politicians, I'm sure The Family won't ask them for anything in return. Of course not.

You're a hypocrite for disparaging Islam while avoiding the fact that Christian extremists would love nothing better than to remake the Constitution to fit their religion.

PS Washington, Jefferson and Franklin (among many others) were Deists, not Christian.

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June 13, 2010 2:41 PM    in reply to pakaal

Christian extremists? what have they done? Are they wanting fewer abortions, so that less Islamic immigrants need to come to Western countries? Is that why you are upset? that we are not like the oikophobes that wish to commit suicide so that the Islamists can immigrate freely to our countries?

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June 13, 2010 8:24 AM   

We must be on the watch, there's a sharia law in every Bush and around every corner

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June 13, 2010 2:30 PM    in reply to Mrwilson1

When over 56 Islamic nations systematically prosecute non-Muslims, and when no-go zones are created in western countries where Westerners are persecuted for being non-Muslims...yes, we certainly do have a problem...and you ought to know better, unless you are fully supporting their agenda because you are one as well.

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June 13, 2010 2:29 PM   

Can someone come up with legislation to stop 'Conservative Lawmakers' from introducing legislation that's effing stupid?

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June 13, 2010 2:45 PM   

What we need is exactly what is being brought forward: no sharia law. Why is it that Saudi Arabia has over 8 million non-Muslims and is allowed discriminate against them in the name of Islam, and no one raises an eyebrow?

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June 13, 2010 2:51 PM   

how is it that the Maldives decide to take away citizenship from non-Muslims and the Western media does not draw attention to the seriousness of this action?

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June 13, 2010 3:03 PM   

Did you know that Saudi Arabia does not allow Hebrews to live there?

It does not allow its 8 million non-Muslims to freely worship...

This is the ideal Islamic country...what every other Muslim country is aiming for..

In fact, have you asked yourself why there are Muslim no-go zones all over Europe? How are these any different than Gaza? where Muslims demand to walk anywhere non-Muslims live, but keep out Muslims from their areas?

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June 13, 2010 3:54 PM    in reply to steiner

Did you know that Saudi Arabia does not allow Hebrews to live there?

It does not allow its 8 million non-Muslims to freely worship...

Correction.


This is the ideal Islamic country...what every other Muslim country is aiming for..

In fact, have you asked yourself why there are Muslim no-go zones all over Europe? How are these any different than Gaza? where Muslims demand to live anywhere non-Muslims live, but keep out non-Muslims from living in Muslim enclaves?

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June 13, 2010 3:08 PM   

In regards to abortion. Had Europeans had their own kids instead of aborting over 40 million in the past 20-30 years...they would not have to raise those of others who are brought up to hate Western countries.

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June 13, 2010 7:15 PM    in reply to steiner

Dude: You stocked up on the crazy pills, didn't you?

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June 13, 2010 7:25 PM    in reply to Sir Craig

Dude!

What u are to dom to get ur head around that?

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June 13, 2010 6:10 PM   

First, he's a Rep. NOT a Senator.. Second, THIS guy is a certifiable lunatic!!! HIS WORDS, "This is a pre-emptive strike to make sure that liberal judges don't take the bench in an effort to use their position to undermine those founding principles that are international or Sharia law" are enough to send him to any insane asylum for the rest of his life.

Where does he thinks he lives?? Oklahoma is already the home of most lunatics on earth, but this diatribe REALLY takes the cake... He now has statements coming out of his office that sound like something I grew up with in the deep south 50 years ago...Just a new little twist of Sharia - Get with reality!! This is 2010 - NOT 1850.. He is acting like a complete nut case.. If anyone in Oklahoma actually BELIEVES any of this they're as crazy as him!!

Amazing...

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June 13, 2010 7:13 PM    in reply to Winski

Maybe if you took ur ostrich head out to reality, you would have the sense of doing some basic research...or if you are a Muslim and like sharia so much, then simply say so...

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June 13, 2010 6:52 PM   

Is it possible to revoke statehood? Just askin' because I'm getting tired waiting for these idiots to secede.

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June 14, 2010 6:46 AM   

The Quran endorses "the idea of killing innocent women, etc."? Here's a few from your good ol' bible!

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests: Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches: You should not let a sorceress live.(Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals: "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers: A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad: Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents: If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) or "All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense." (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery: If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication: A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions: Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers: They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets: If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

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June 14, 2010 7:22 AM    in reply to Surfer_Punk


This is the O.T. law applied to people living over 3000 years ago.

Christianity came about as the result of the New Covenant established by the death of Jesus and His resurrection. It is based on mercy.

Jesus did not call for the death of people, but for people to forgive each other and to love each other. Consequently, the law in the New Testament is supposed to serve as a gauge in the New Testament, to furnish a believer an understanding of how genuine their faith is in Jesus.

You ought to ask why did Mohammed take people back to the O.T. law where Jesus's sacrifice means nothing, and where the law is paramount and sin can only be repaired with the blood of the sinner...

In the O.T. Israel was given borders as well as customs to adhere to in order to keep the Hebrews from mixing with other peoples, since God had chosen them to deliver the Messiah...in the context of His law, to be fulfilled and by Christ only and consequently establish Christ as the redeemer of man, ransoming man from the power of the law and death by the blood of the 'Lamb'...Christ.

Yet, Mohammed and Muslims do not accept Christ and consequently have tried to reestablish themselves under a system that is meant for them to be found guilty and suffer the consequences of their guilt, since they will not choose mercy in Christ.

Hence, they continue, blindly and without any restrictions/bounds, but with Mohammed's command to submit everyone to the law, and consequently enslave them to pay with their own blood...eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth...

Certainly, this is not what we want...or do you?


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June 14, 2010 8:25 AM   

It is no accident that the Constitution establishes freedom of speech as a central pillar of a democratic nation.

Ultimately, we as a redeemed people are responsible for maintaining our state through criticism as a means to correct behavior and influence policies to mold our nation.

We uphold the human right to judge ideas without having to be afraid of being persecuted for what we say against them.(which is diametrically opposed to Islamic sharia)

Christianity allows us this incredible freedom, since it uses forgiveness as a tool to heal and help each other grow...How many times should I forgive?...Peter asked Jesus. Jesus' reply was not: 3 times , or four times but with an innumerable amount. Hence, forgiveness is at the center of our faith! Why? because God chose to forgive us in Christ! How can we then not forgive?

Yet, this leaves us with a greater responsibility: to remain true, and to reason with each other in truthfulness.

Hence, democracies are very fragile. Without the Christian spirit that empowers them, they will fail, and once again hardness and mercilessness will prevail.

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June 26, 2010 1:46 AM   

OMG!!! I have really found the most liberal site ever. Do any of you have a clue what the Muslims are really about? Do you know their agenda? Have you seen what they are doing in France, Great Britain, Philippieans, Mylasia, New Zealand, Australia, and let's not forget Iraq and Afghanistan. That is what they want to do right here folks. The Qur'an tells them they must kill the Infidel. Guess what? If you are not Muslim then you are an Infidel. They are not your friend. They are encouraged to lie to you to make you feel safe around them, to feel like their friend or feel sorry for them. It's called taqiyya, look it up. I am glad that someone is finally standing up to them before it's too late. Any of you notice how many Mosques are being built all of a sudden? They are popping up everywhere. Doesn't that alarm you? It should. Yes, the Bible is filled with all sorts or horrible stories but thankfully none of us actually follow them, do we? We don't stone people in the center of town...Muslims do. We don't cut off someone's hand for shoplifting...Muslims do. We don't throw acid on our women and young girls faces in order to keep them in line...Muslims do. Is that the kind of "law" you want allowed in this country? Are you people crazy? This isn't about Republicans or Democrats. This is about Americans. They want us fighting because a country divided is easily overthrown. We cannot afford to let this happen. Don't fool yourself, there are already terrorist training camps right here. You people better open your eyes and close your bleeding hearts and get your shit together because when the shit hits the fan don't come running to people like us to save your butts when we told you so. You're on your own. Say thank you to our men in women in uniform right now fighting to keep your rights and your freedoms, don't throw them away by being blinded. Also, we are not a Democracy...we are a Republic for all of you who continue to get it wrong. GOD BLESS AMERICA even if you don't believe. It's still the glue that has kept this country together...I don't go to church and not a Bible thumper but things sure were better when our country still had morals and values, don't ya think?

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