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The RNC's 2012 convention logo features the Tampa Bay skyline and one of the buildings apparently represented in the logo is what was formerly the Old Tampa Bay Hotel, a prominent feature of the Florida city's skyline. What's interesting is that the Old Tampa Bay Hotel is a product of the so-called "Moorish Revival" architectural style. And the building is graced by six minarets, the small towers built around a mosque to call worshipers to prayer. The minarets even include the spires with half crescents, a well-known symbol of Islam.

So is it one of the building's six minarets in the RNC logo? Or is it one of the building's four cupolas? It looks to us like the minaret. But look at the picture and judge for yourself.

The apparent minaret in the logo was first pointed out by DemConWatch. And there may be those who wonder how some of the more anti-mosque elements of the GOP might react to such an architectural inclusion.

The logo was unveiled yesterday on the Republican National Convention Host Committee's site .

The hotel is now the Henry B. Plant Museum located on the University of Tampa's campus, and though it has Moorish influences in its design, the part of the logo in question could actually be a cupola, which are common in Italian and eastern architecture.

It's not at all clear what architectural homage the RNC intended with the logo -- and they did not immediately return TPM's request for comment.

Here's the logo:

And the building:



Late Update: Belinda Cook of the hosting committee emailed this:

The logo is the logo of the Tampa Bay Host Committee...the non profit created by the City to raise funds for the Convention infrastructure. It is nit the RNC Convention logo.

What you are referring to in the logo is the University of Tampa...built in early 1920's...was the former Tampa hotel.

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August 10, 2010 4:06 PM   

I can say with a fair degree of certainty it is UTampa's Moorish Domes.

Cupolas for the most part aren't shaped like the domes of UTampa either.

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August 12, 2010 9:58 AM    in reply to aq

ah, this just in..........its not the RNC logo at all. seems you have a breitbart of your own and a 'sherwood' is being done by TPM. boy, we can't trust any radical group anymore.

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August 10, 2010 4:06 PM   

That's not a palm tree either. It's an exploding oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico.

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August 10, 2010 6:43 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

LOL

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August 10, 2010 9:43 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

Love that.

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August 10, 2010 11:00 PM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

nice.

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August 11, 2010 8:24 AM    in reply to ohyeathatsright

Look very closely and there is a red crescent hidden in the leaves of the palm tree.

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August 10, 2010 4:13 PM   

Minarets?

Why oh why do the Republicans hate America? :(

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August 10, 2010 4:14 PM   

Allahu akbar, GOP.

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August 10, 2010 4:22 PM   

And there goes Steele again with that terrorist hand sign!

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August 10, 2010 4:23 PM   

As much as I would love to attack the Republicans for being "Islamic Fascist" as a University of Tampa student the minaret is part of Plant Hall on our campus.

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August 10, 2010 5:52 PM    in reply to lhharris

Don't they teach you that "irony" thing at that there school of yourn?

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August 10, 2010 4:25 PM   

There's the big red palm tree...where's Clifford?

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August 10, 2010 4:31 PM   

The Muslims have been at this a long time. They built the Fox Theatre -- in the spirit of the Alhambra -- on Sherman's Ground Zero in Atlanta. Got Obama elected. Then this minaret in Tampa and sleepers infiltrating the GOP. Next up, the New York Mosque. They are magic and more powerful than us, no doubt.

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August 10, 2010 4:37 PM   

@lhharris: You must be part of the conspiracy. You failed to mention that UT's newspaper is called "The Minaret".

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August 10, 2010 4:46 PM   

This is a non-story. It was a non-story when the right was going nuts about the new missile defense logo (http://biggovernment.com/fgaffney/2010/02/24/can-this-possibly-be-true-new-obama-missile-defense-logo-includes-a-crescent/) and it's a non-story now that the GOP is using a logo with minarets.

Let's not get into meaningless symbology.

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August 10, 2010 4:57 PM    in reply to worthy9

You do realize, do you not, that this is snark? Making fun of the anti-Muslim bigotry and fear-mongering of the fRight Wing?

You get that, don't you?

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August 10, 2010 5:03 PM    in reply to farnsworth

Is it? Maybe my snark-o-meter needs new batteries. I took this to be a story about how they're talking out of both sides of their mouth, raging about symbols but then having an "inappropriate" one of their own. I guess I missed the point. My bad.

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August 10, 2010 5:42 PM    in reply to worthy9

@Farnsworth:
Lame snark. For christ's (allah's?) sake, really? This *is* a non-issue and pointing it out only makes Lefties look petty. I thought getting your pants in a wad over symbols taken out of any kind of context was the Right's forte? I understand this is intended to be "ironic" or whatever, but, it's a pretty lame joke. Like we really need to stoop to the "and so's your mom" level of witty comebacks to point out the hypocrisy of the Right? Come on.

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August 10, 2010 6:02 PM    in reply to emilyon

Being a Democrat means always having to *say* you're funny...

Sigh.

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August 10, 2010 4:56 PM   

And the last great Republican president, Teddy Roosevelt, stayed there on his way to the Great Imperialist Adventure in Cuba with his Rough Riders.

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August 10, 2010 4:59 PM   

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! The Tampa Logo Mosque has GOT TO GO!

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August 10, 2010 5:01 PM   

Considering the past few years and Republican men of a certain age, I'm surprised a rainbow flag flying over a Boy Scout Camp isn;t part of the logo!!!

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August 10, 2010 5:02 PM   

More symbolism: The Tampa Bay Host Committee appears to be under water.

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August 10, 2010 5:04 PM   

Considering the Gasparilla Festival I think they need a Pirate ship as well and it would fit the economic character of the party.

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August 10, 2010 5:10 PM   

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! I love this! They'll be indtroducing the new logo in 3, 2, 1!

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August 10, 2010 5:16 PM   

Read this thread and realize that, in today's American culture, this is why we are losing.

If this were a Republican comment board commenting on a Democratic logo, everybody in here would be saying "OF *COURSE* IT IS A MINARET! THEY HATE AMERICA!!!" We'd all be engaged in a mass stroke session where we buttress our existing positions. And we'd take that energy and go on to MSNBC.com and NYTIMES.com and spew our confidence onto the message boards. And the media would see all that confidence and accept it as a sign that the country is "center-right" and change their reporting and framing accordingly.

I'm not saying we SHOULD be that way. But the discrepancy is startling. Every time we liberals make a joke, we have to qualify and hedge it, so everyone knows we're actually quite reasonable and capable of seeing both sides. Apparently, that kind of ability is in low demand right now, compared to the ability to go for the "truthiness".

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August 11, 2010 5:23 AM    in reply to Clavis

Clavis said:

"If this were a Republican comment board commenting on a Democratic logo, everybody in here would be saying "OF *COURSE* IT IS A MINARET! THEY HATE AMERICA!!!"

Exactly, and the MSM would be picking it up.

Wolf Blitzer would be asking; "Well Senator Kerry, what say you, do Democrats hate America?"

And not to be outdone; David Gregory would be asking HOW MUCH do Democrats hate America.

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August 10, 2010 5:19 PM   

Why is it the "Tampa Bay" Host Committee and not just the Tampa Host Committee? Are any RNC events happening away from downtown Tampa other than the normal convention debauchery?

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August 10, 2010 5:24 PM   

This is a ridiculous story and should not be on TPM.

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August 10, 2010 5:50 PM    in reply to urbanmuir

OMG, the RNC is a tool of evil Islam.

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August 10, 2010 5:40 PM   

Push this story hard enough and the entire teabagger collective will believe that there is a secret Muslim plot to destroy America by infiltrating the GOP. Those dipshits will believe anything, as long as it is scary, batshit crazy and demonstrably false.

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August 10, 2010 7:55 PM    in reply to KdNicewanger

Heh - that'd actually be pretty funny, watching the teabaggers lose their final connection to reality...

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August 10, 2010 5:52 PM   

Aww, c'mon. It's a sign of the GOP's sensitivity to minorities, religious tolerance and diversity! They're reachin' out to the "sensible Muslims" that $arah was talkin' about on Facebook.

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August 10, 2010 6:47 PM   

Naw, that's a Russian church dome, a la St. Basil's in Red Square. . . the GOP has gone commie.

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August 10, 2010 8:11 PM   

Gone Commie / Muslim? Wow the republicans have "embraced" diversity. How about a same sex couple to complete their "conversion"? Have a hunch "heads will roll" in the party. Unfortunately if you want to excise the brains of a republican you have to reduce their glutimus maximus.

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August 10, 2010 9:32 PM   

But the real problem with this logo is that is butt-ugly and boring.

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August 10, 2010 10:27 PM   

Definitely a minaret. I can definitively state it is such, because when I drove those pesky Moors out of Spain, I tore asunder the numerous minarets they had built.

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August 10, 2010 11:42 PM   

I once heard a Republican say they honored the dead in Aghanistan.

And they didn't specify just the American dead.

Therefore, they were praising the dead Al Qaeda ho attacked our good boys and girls.

Therefore all Republicans are the friends of terrorists.

That's pretty much the logic they follow when discussing Islam, thought I might as well apply it to them.

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August 11, 2010 12:35 AM   

That is definitely not a minaret. It's a dome, a kitschy version of what a Moorish dome is supposed to look like.

But to me it looks more like one of the domes on the cathedral in the Kremlin. So maybe it symbolizes Ronald Reagan's defeat of the Soviet Union and the reversion of Russia to Orthodox Christianity. LOL

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August 11, 2010 1:08 AM   

Yes. That is a minaret. Part of the Tampa skyline, The University of Tampa is across the river from downtown Tampa. Plant Hall is the original building of the university founded in 1933. The building was built as the Tampa Bay Hotel by railroad Henry B. Plant before the turn of the 20th Century. The hotel hosted many dignitaries, including Teddy Roosevelt with the Rough Riders before embarking for Cuba in the Spanish American War.
So, yes, the minarets are a well-known symbol of Tampa.
By the way, there are 13 minarets on Plant Hall. One minaret for each month of the Muslims calendar.
Obviously, not only are the Muslim invaders cunning enough to send pregnant women to the USA to "drop anchor babies," The started planning their Jihad before the turn of the 20th Century by influencing an American capitalist to build an Arabian Nights-style building in the middle if the Infidels. Clever.

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August 11, 2010 3:25 PM    in reply to pjbacfl

And ye— and here's the real proof of a plot—there are only TWELVE months in the Muslim year!! Pretty subtle, huh? Thirteen minarets? The 13th stands for, uh, The Beast! Or Muḥammad. Or Obama. Or something.

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August 11, 2010 1:12 AM   

Yes. That is a minaret. Part of the Tampa skyline, The University of Tampa is across the river from downtown Tampa. Plant Hall is the original building of the university founded in 1933. The building was built as the Tampa Bay Hotel by railroad Henry B. Plant before the turn of the 20th Century. The hotel hosted many dignitaries, including Teddy Roosevelt with the Rough Riders before embarking for Cuba in the Spanish American War.
So, yes, the minarets are a well-known symbol of Tampa.
By the way, there are 13 minarets on Plant Hall. One minaret for each month of the Muslims calendar.
Obviously, not only are the Muslim invaders cunning enough to send pregnant women to the USA to "drop anchor babies," The started planning their Jihad before the turn of the 20th Century by influencing an American capitalist to build an Arabian Nights-style building in the middle if the Infidels. Clever.

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August 11, 2010 9:13 AM   

I live in Connecticut, and know people who lost family members on 9/11. I know that the minaret in the GOP Convention logo must be causing them great pain and anguish. How can the GOP be so insensitive?

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August 11, 2010 10:26 AM   

Definitely prayer towers and red crescents with secret encrypted messages to sleeper cells ready to make the "war on terror our #1 priority again, so they can distract everybody while they raise gas prices out the roof again, then burn down Wall Street again after they've deposited all of THEIR money in Swiss Bank accounts,....again...whew.
Definitely is the handiwork of the Hypocrite Brigade of the "so-called conservative" wing of the SLP (Sore Loser Party) aka the GOP (Greedy Obstacle to Progress) Party.

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August 11, 2010 11:22 AM   

Beware Tampa. Lock up your women and girls for the GOP is coming to town!

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August 11, 2010 11:30 AM   

Unless this item is tongue-in-cheek, it's not worth talking about.

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August 11, 2010 11:34 AM   

why does he always look so crazed?

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August 11, 2010 1:02 PM   

Boy, you guys are sure getting desperate, aren't you? What's next holding a celebration of Ted Steven's death? If you wonder why you've lost former liberal democrats like me, and I will be voting republican for the first time (haven't become one, I'm an independent now, but I want all vestiges of the left dragged kicking and screaming from any and all political offices, and will devote as much time and money possible to achieve that end) just look at yourselves, your ignorance and indifference. You've exposed yourselves as being what I always thought was a lie. You're disgusting.

You want to talk about hatred and intolerance? Examine your rapacious knuckling under to the misogynistic, homophobic radical Islamists, I mean seriously, the left is insane, you have groups who call themselves "Queers for Palestine", who can't be bothered to consider that they would be stoned, shot or hung for being gay in Palestine. Truly moderate Muslims, in the US and Canada have spoken out stating that, for example the proposed mosque near ground zero is a deliberate act of provocation, an attempt to gain the upper hand so as to more effectively impose sharia. You have absolutely no idea what sharia would actually do, and the fact that it would be imposed upon all of you ultimately. It's happening in the UK, and it's started happening here. In Newark, a recent immigrant from Morocco who divorced her husband for abusiveness, was raped after the divorce by him. The judge, a regular US judge in a US family court, refused to grant her a restraining order as she was terrified. The judge used the excuse that as her husband was Muslim, and he didn't believe he'd done anything wrong as he refused to acknowledge the divorce, and felt he was still entitled to sex on demand from her, the rape hadn't been intentionally a criminal act. She and her attorney had to pursue an appeal, merely to gain her protection. This is what your imposition of PC has wrought on society, a devaluation of rights and freedoms, it's regressive, not progressive in any way. No decent person could respect themselves if they continued to be willingly blind to your collective insanity. You're motivated by hatred and a lust for power, and have corrupted yourselves. You all ought to be ashamed.

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August 11, 2010 3:51 PM    in reply to mm232

I wasn't going to but I must respond to this, your premise is that the left embraces islamic hatred and intollerance, or whatever you're babbling about, which is of course, false. What you're missing the point is that all over this country wingnuts turn out to protest muslims expressing their freedom to religion, which duh I thought was a virtue of this country. By siding with them what you're actually doing is showing that you agree with such bigotry, done so because you say they're bigoted. Which is actually hilarious as you're literally painting 1.4 billion people with the same broad brush of intollerance that applies to roughly a similar amount of bigoted hatemongers by % in each major religion.

Let's talk about who'd execute gays, while it's a fact that in certain Islamic countries gay people are murdered, let's talk about Uganda which is a VERY CHRISTIAN country and just narrowly missed a bill, with backing from American evangelicals that would have ALSO executed gays. So your point of pointing out a "party switch" due to the insanity of the left is less than genuine. Then we move to the "ground zero" COMMUNITY CENTER, people like you are so bigoted, so fearful that they equate any expression of free religion beyond the now accepted religions with such fear and paranoia so as to actually equate normal Americans with a different faith to blood drenched terrorists...where have we seen this before? Oh yes, Germany and Tsarist Russia where the acts of "radicals" were used as reasons to imprison and murder others thought to be the same. That's the road you're travelling on, though I suspect you're too douchey to have the introspective capability to realize it.

Another aside, how can leftists be "evil atheists" (an actual Republican smear, you've joined in with QUITE tolerant people, enjoy the cave drawings) as well as "evil muslins"? I guess we are whatever your insane demagouges want us to be...anything to avoid discussing the GOP platform which amounts to "we love Dubya" with teabags attached to thier hats. While we're on the subject of teabaggers, let's talk about birthers, another group you're happily signing on with. Since the GOP goes out of their way to court these people, dangling little answers like "I don't know" when asked if the President was born in America; hell they're so disrespectful as to have a congressman shout "you lie" at the President on the floor of congress while also refusing to publicly call him President Obama. Of course the idea that our first black president couldn't POSSIBLY be American has NOTHING at all to do with racial intollerance, even after it's proven beyond a doubt he is American.

We can also talk about Arizona SP 1070 which gains the white supremacist "good housekeeping seal of approval" but that's an entirely different argument. Michelle Bachmann called for and has been echoed by other wingnuts to actually investigate and expose the "anti-american" views of her colleagues, as if such a subjective and silly phrase has anything to do with tollerance.

You've signed on with the most intollerant people in our society, their entire view is this ideological drive to destroy all who don't agree and you call us intollerant? I find people like you silly and insipid. It's as if the passage of time has found you becomming more bitter and stodgy until you find a group to funnel all your venom at. You know what the tolerant thing to do is? not oppose based upon hatred of one group (I'll wager you'll conveniently leave out all the anti-communist and the couple of israeli terror organizations from your views) and then apply it to all members of selfsame group. That's what you and those like you do, and seriously prattling some insane conspiracy about the proposed community center being built inside the Burlington Coat factory as a provacation? I'll wager extremists on the other side considered the US Embassy an act of provocation.

So in closing take your wingnutted, American Taliban extremist intolerant ass and check yourself; your stupidity may appeal to a few very bigoted wingnuts as muslims as the bigot du jour alongside gays, the very people you're whining about here I might add but it doesn't work with anyone who has even a mild amount of information. How about the "Government isn't God" PAC which is getting Republicans to sign on a platform so extreme it narrowly misses the failed (for now) Ugandan laws aims. Or are you not aware of this Orwellian group and it's little questionaire which includes your new buddies declaring they'd retroactively agree with banning gay adoptions; yes that's right the police showing up and yanking screaming children from their new parents arms because one of them doesn't have the right equipment. This PAC is actually pretty popular on the Right....

I can continue on and on from Wingnuts like Bradlee in Minnesota who say Muslims are being brought by god to kill the ghey because we won't (he's very well supported by Republicans in the state, but we're the insane and intolerant ones) to Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwell, John Hagee, Pat Robertson and so forth; all of them partly earned their names by advocating vicious oppression and murder of gay people, it made them celebrities on the right. But they're the smart ones, eh? People like you can vote for this mess of poor hating, race baiting, homophobic, religiously bigoted misogynists and by projecting those values at others, but we're the crazy ones. So rather than keeping making example after example which I can do all week, but others have done a better and more thorough job documenting all the disgusting views, policies both passed and failed and just general authoritarian hatemongers on the right; maybe you ought to do a little research before you open your dumbass mouth in text.

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August 11, 2010 3:58 PM   

Oh and let's talk about disrespect for the dead, I'm guessing you were in a cave when Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy died, or you missed the nasty shit wingnuts had to say about both. We're not just talking about the rank and file, but those with actual positions like Steve Forbes who intoned barely a day after senator Byrd was dead that the "market was happy" and considering what a douche he is, himself by extension. Or the continued and nasty shit wingnuts had to say about Senator Kennedy including signs distributed that said "bury Obamacare with Ted Kennedy" and the continuous recycling of Chappaquiddick ON HIS DEATH DAY. So again, fuck you and your stupidy.

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August 12, 2010 3:21 PM   

Left Coaster,

Firstly, hatred and intolerance is a universal concept, I never isolated such things as being Islamic in origin. What I said is that the left hates America, American citizens who don’t embrace the plantation mindset pandemic in Marxism, and I do believe it hates Christianity, and shows it’s hatred through it’s intolerance. I haven’t followed the discussion about mosques all over the US, but I do know there are tens of thousands of mosques all over the US, so your vapid grasping for cover doesn’t quite work. I telephoned a former neighbor of mine, from when I lived in Michigan from ‘06 to ‘09. She’s a real moderate Muslim, she doesn’t support the imposition of sharia, her family came to the US to escape it, and I wanted to get her point of view on your claims. I also read a bit online as well. She told me that her view is that some Muslims around the country, like the imam and his group in NY are violating the Koran by committing fitna, which is to make mischief, to provoke, insult and demean one’s hosts deliberately. She informed me about other instances in NYC and elsewhere where a mosque moves in to a neighborhood in NYC, right next to a bar, or a restaurant and months later demand the city revoke the liquor licenses in such establishments, because it’s insensitive to the Muslim community to allow a business to serve alcohol. She told me about a controversy in Georgia, where a mosque opened in a town, and then started started suing homeowners for barbequing in their back yards, because the smell of cooking pork, and drinking alcohol in their yards was insulting Muslim sensitivities. Then the mosque wanted to buy a stretch of land that bordered another neighborhood, chop down all the trees and build a new, larger mosque. The neighbors there, having seen what the neighbors of the smaller mosque went through, have spoken up, as is their right, before the planning committee about the potential destruction of a wooded area, and the intrusion into their rights to enjoy their backyards for family cookouts and get togethers. She hadn’t heard about any other citizen protests against mosques. But she mentioned that she found it interesting that the left is silent in the face of the violations of the separation of church and state, where the US federal and state governments are using tax dollars to fund Islamic charter schools, as Islam is taught there, but they don’t fund other religion’s schools as that would violate the law. That the left doesn’t speak out against Islamic homophobia, and abuses of women, the silence in the face of so called honor killings, female genital mutilation, and other such abuses. She mentioned a radical gay group invading a Christian church in East Lansing, but no mosques, when it’s not Christians calling for the murder of gays and lesbians.

I have to admit, I couldn’t find any reports of protests against mosques any where else either. What’s more, I read that in that town in Georgia, the neighbors have basically pursued the matter before the city council, no protests, but the mosque members have been targeting the neighbors in their neighborhood, driving by, photographing them, screaming obscenities at them and their children. I also read about that church invasion, and the gay group that invaded it, wore pink head scarves, to look like the sort that terrorists wear them. Carried clubs and bats, they bragged about terrifying families with little children and elderly people. They seemed disappointed that the men in the church didn’t respond in a violent manner. If you want to talk about wing nuts, they seem to be very much in evidence on the left.

Those who want the mosque not to be built at ground zero have a legitimate right to express their feelings, their sensitivity on the subject. Part of one of the planes crashed into that building, and corpses and body parts were found there. Given statements made by the imam, his association with the very same people who funded the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers, the field in PA and the pentagon, and his refusal to disclose the secret funding of the mosque, and in all candor, the name Cordoba, which any student of history knows it was calculated to be a reference to a victory symbol towards a caliphate makes it apparent that this wasn’t about building a dialogue of unity. I referenced the two Muslim women from the Canadian Muslim Congress in my previous post, who are against this mosque, for just that reason.

So, bigotry?? It’s bigotry when US citizens speak up on behalf of their sensitivities, but it’s not when Islamists do? So, you don’t view all as being equal, but rather, some being more equal than others? I take it you don’t understand why Orwell spoke out against the real dangers of Marxism either?

Peter Tatchell a gay activist in the UK put out this report in 1995 http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/islamic.htm

Uganda is majority Christian, it also has a growing Islamic population. Reading further on the subject of religion in Uganda also points to the fact that 27% of African Christians also practice their traditional Ugandan spirituality along with Christianity. I can’t speak to what African Christians do or not do, we’re talking about the United States here, your straw man argument doesn’t provide you cover on this score either.. Or is it that you possess a colonialistic mindset that demands the right to dictate to others in Africa?

Christians in the US do not advocate the killing of gays and lesbians, as well you know. It’s actually Islamists in the US who do that, and the left is silent about that, a fact you refuse to address. As to US Christians providing aid to African countries, they do so to feed, provide health care and education to impoverished African children and their families, including to those with HIV/AIDS. Or do you believe that Africans should be withheld aid until they conform to your desires?

If you’d care to read my back posts, I’ve consistently commented about my confronting the hypocrisy of the left and my now former party. They go back a few years, though I also had an earlier account, but was banned when I stood up to one grand high poohbah of upper butt crack here on one example of hypocrisy or another. I had been a reader of TPM from when Josh first started it, long before the TPMCafe first came about. I’m one of those people who was proud to consider herself a liberal, because for me, the issues are real, not just some banner you wave about in some quest for validation. I actually volunteer with homeless families, and did so in Michigan, as well as in Rhode Island. It’s deplorable that the left ignores the fact that US citizens and their children are being harmed by their policies, discriminated against in their quest for employment, but then again, for all the anti-corporate twaddle the left espouses, they are in bed with the US Chamber of Commerce and Business Roundtable, and you can pooh pooh that all you like, you work in tandem with them, in your quest for the same outcome.

How many excuses for Obama being in bed with the same, and big oil, especially foreign big oil do you plan to make? Not one article on the lies of the Obama admin regarding the Gulf, the violations of the rights of a free press to report in depth as to the extent of the spill. I mean, have you no shame, no sense of irony? Josh started this site claiming he wanted an alternative to the corporate controlled press, yet he and all of you are now in bed with the same corporate controlled press, across the board.

It’s not about “free expression of religion”, it’s about an imam and his group, who are tied to those who funded the 9/11 attacks, who is one of those nutty truthers, who has made comments rationalizing those attacks, cease lying about wanting to start a dialogue. As truly moderate US and Canadian Muslism have stated, this isn’t about starting a dialogue, it’s a deliberate insult to the families of victims, and to the American people, it’s even a violation of the Koran. You don’t have a dialogue when the conversation is one sided. Asking that imam and his group in Manhattan to be sensitive to the legitimate feelings of the families of 9/11 victims and the American people isn’t bigoted.

What I see in your comment is a refusal to address my points, and your cowardly attempt to hide behind straw man arguments, which means you know you can’t address my concerns in an intellectually honest manner. If you can’t understand why I’m voting republican, so as to drag the left, kicking and screaming from power, then you wouldn’t understand why a person fights to save themselves from drowning.

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August 12, 2010 4:33 PM   

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Oh and let's talk about disrespect for the dead, I'm guessing you were in a cave when Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy died, or you missed the nasty shit wingnuts had to say about both. We're not just talking about the rank and file, but those with actual positions like Steve Forbes who intoned barely a day after senator Byrd was dead that the "market was happy" and considering what a douche he is, himself by extension. Or the continued and nasty shit wingnuts had to say about Senator Kennedy including signs distributed that said "bury Obamacare with Ted Kennedy" and the continuous recycling of Chappaquiddick ON HIS DEATH DAY. So again, fuck you and your stupidy.

Oh yes, let’s do talk about disrespect for the dead. Not trolling the waters you habituate doesn’t equate to living in a cave. I do remember the crocodile tears after Ted Kennedy died on the left, the man who pushed through No Child Left Behind, indifferent to the harm in caused, as it profited him. The man who was behind the 9 amnesties in the US, that have between them, increasingly displaced working poor and middle class US citizens, black, brown and white. Eroded wages, increased homelessness and destitution, brought about levels of malnutrition and anemia among US citizens that are higher than during the Great Depression. Ted Kennedy has brokered deals that harmed the most vulnerable US citizens, to line his own pockets. Let’s get something straight here, Ted wasn’t JFK or RFK, neither is is son, the druggie alchie Patrick. Poor US citizens, black, brown and white in Massachusetts have suffered because of Ted Kennedy, especially in the poorest districts and neighborhoods. Ted’s advocacy has discriminated against them in their quest for employment. Ted preferred, as you do, as the US Chamber of Commerce and Business Roundtable, as the neo-cons do, cheap foreign labor. When those citizens, again, black, brown and white spoke out about being denied jobs, in preference for illegal aliens, whether at the Michael Bianco factory or other such examples, fat, wealthy Teddy, in his ivory tower called them racist and xenophobic, but far, far away, from a mike in the capital aired on lily white MSNBC or on CNN. Not daring to go directly to Fall River or New Bedford, where black Americans, brown Americans, white Americans, and even some indigenous Americans, who were lifelong, experienced leather stitchers were not hired, so the factory could hire illegal aliens with no leather stitching experience, yet lie, claiming they hired the illegals because they couldn’t find US citizens who had experience stitching leather. Ted, and John Kerry as well knew that was a lie, both were very familiar with the displacement that started after Clinton pushed through NAFTA, starting the push of the shoe, belt, luggage and other factories to Mexico. But Ted, and Kerry too, refused to address that fact, they just hooted “racist!” “xenophobic!” across the ether. I know that this paragraph is long, but I could go on and on, on the subject.. Just don’t feel I should have to. All the boo-hoo-hooing over Ted’s death was farcical, and frankly, as a woman whose husband died, because democrats reducing our social welfare and health care programs to little more than corporate welfare scams, and whose democrat senators and representative couldn’t care less when I reached out for help for the very first time.. I admit to having no emotion what so ever when fatcat Ted finally kicked the bucket. I didn’t cheer his passing, but I do admit that when I learned of his diagnosis, I did hope that he suffered, suffered far more than my poor husband did, and my husband was treated worse than a dog would be. He was denied the specialist he needed as a transplant patient, and a cancer went undiagnosed. The cancer was diagnosed after he’d retained more than 10 liters of fluid in his abdomen, because he’d entered end stage organ failure and his internal organs no longer processed the assorted chemicals and toxins they normally deal with. He was overdosed with a tranquilizer by a Filipino nurse brought to the US through a J1 visa, whose English reading skills were sorely lacking, which sent him into respiratory failure, and he died a week later, his lungs filled with fluid. We lost one of his last 1 weeks due to that overdose, he was in a coma like state after that. In all candor, I’m honest enough to wish the many leftists out there suffer even half as much, and given what is happening at present, it’s a fair bet that lots of you will, and you’ve only yourselves to blame. Hey, I’m only human, and you know that it’s very human to want to see the villains get a taste of their own medicine in the end.

I don’t watch Steve Forbes, you ought to ask the left’s St. Bono, who idolizes Steve Forbes, and seeks to get richer pushing poor African nations to sell their poor out as guinea pigs for vaccine trials for big pharma companies Bono, along with Bill & Melinda Gates have big investments in.

I did hear comments from people speaking out about the hypocrisy of democrats, and the CBC eulogizing Robert Byrd as a great man, given his past as a Klan bigwig, and his occasional dropping of the “n” word, even long past the time he’d claimed to have left that behind. That occurred after democrats and the CBC attacking the tea party people, including black tea party members as racist, and “uncle Toms” and “race traitors”, not based on actual racism, but because they found their speaking out as the constitution affords them the right to do, inconvenient. They’ve exploited and cheapened what real victims of racism have gone through, in fact, I’ve heard a black tea party member say, that this same group of democrats and the CBC would have called Dr. King a “racist” and “race traitor”. Even Jon Stewart has pointed out that the race card has been maxed out, and he’s right about that.

I did feel badly after Robert Byrd died. While I've never been able to speak to any of my senators or representative, I've actually spoken to Robert Byrd. Back in the '80s, I'd seen him on the news, exposing a US arms manufacturer, violating the ban on arms sales to Iran, and Byrd went above and beyond to expose this company. I was impressed, and quite frankly angry at the way the media treated him like a crank. So I telephoned his DC office to express my support for his actions and to thank him. The staffer, despite knowing I wasn't a constituent asked for my contact info, so I provided it. Four hours later, I received a telephone call from Senator Byrd to thank me. He spoke to me about the wider aspects of his reasons for exposing the company, how Iran would use that weaponry to attack their own people, and those in other neighboring countries. He offered to, and did sent an autographed pocket constitution to my daughter, who was then a toddler, which she still has. She cried as well upon learning of his death, and we prayed for him during his many illnesses. Robert Byrd wasn't a perfect man, no one is, and I believe he did many good things as a senator, one of the greatest things was that he truly upheld the constitution, emphasized it's importance. It's for that reason that it was hypocritical for those that sought to exploit the term racism, to unjustly silence and censor the tea party and black tea party members and conservatives, because the democrats and CBC were acting no differently than the white racists of the '50s and '60s who did the same thing to the civil rights movement.

The left are cowards, they can’t engage in honest debate, they rely on hateful, venomous, false, smear tactics, because of their cowardice. They simply can’t come right out and admit what they’re doing, because they don’t want to lose those remaining on the plantation.

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August 12, 2010 11:20 PM   

lmao.. not only has TPM's fascism scared away the majority of those who previously read and commented here, it's now attracting third world spammers, I guess like attracts like.

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August 14, 2010 1:36 PM   

TPM: officially rendered irrelevant by its peddling of ridiculous, trumped-up "scandals" and conspiracy theories.

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August 14, 2010 1:39 PM   

I urge TPM to keep engaging in this kind of ridiculous bullshit. After all, it is this same kind of paranoid crap that has led to more and more people ignoring phony charges of racism.

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